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What speed does that occur? 3,400fps?

In total truth, it is really hard to beat a good man with a .223 Remington. High capacity cartridges are fine, high BC bullets are excellent, but what is above all else is a superb marksman with many hours of trigger time.

You can design all you want and make all the theories you can, but the truth comes out when bullet are actually shot and the marksman learns his both the rifle and the cartridge. The three become a deadly team.

Theoretical shooting of non-existent bullets on the internet are totally useless. Bullets in the air, bullets actually killing things that bleed and die, are all that count.

And that is the damned truth.

Steve

In total truth, it is really hard to beat a good man with a .223 Remington.

Steve for president and honorary King of the Campfire. I get tired of fast twist, High BC and al the other crap that still doesn't kill any deader than a hit from a good shot...

I have no idea.

Didn't even consider chronographing the excessive loads
that were destroying bullets, and had no interest in
establishing any lower threshold of performance.

The purpose of this entire design concept was to determine
the most, not less, that would produce usable
performance — the maximum muzzle velocity, the
maximum down-range energy, the “flattest” trajectory,
the least wind drift, the shortest time of flight. The
loads that destroyed bullets were clearly excessive, so
there was no practical point in testing them further.

The investigation did, of course, include a number of
variations in the determining factors to establish the
points that could not be exceeded without entirely
destroying performance.

Never was there any interest in how much less
of any determinant would produce usable performance.
The sole purpose of the entire investigation was finding
the most that produced desirable field performance.

Steve,

I know I'll never be a good man, so I cheat and use the 22-250, 8" twist and the 75gr. A-Max... grin.



Travis

It's a sweet combo.

The only downside is shrapnel belittles that poor rifle every time I manage to hit something with it.



Travis

Down-range velocities compared —

• 50-grain V-Max @ 3,850 ft/sec, BC 0.242 (.220 Swift, Hornady factory load)
• 75-grain A-Max @ 3,450 ft/sec, BC 0.435 (.224 Laser, maximum handload)

@ 199 yd — Swift 2,998 ft.sec — Laser 2,998 ft/sec
@ 500 yd — Swift 1,965 ft/sec — Laser 2,393 ft/sec
@ 1,000 yd — Swift 998 ft/sec — Laser 1,562 ft/sec

Also, the A-Max is 50% heavier than the V-Max, and
its maximum peak pressure is only 50,000 lb/sq in.
(Swift's is 60,000 lb/sq in. or higher)

The killingest gun on the PD Invitational firing line still ended up as a 222 Remington magnum against all the other hotrods.

Yee haw. the Invitational was closed, but Steve has just earned himself a spot. Let me know if you want to come up and do it. The best the Campfire has to offer will be there...

Oh yeah, and Travis too...

In total truth, it is really hard to beat a good man with a .223 Remington. High capacity cartridges are fine, high BC bullets are excellent, but what is above all else is a superb marksman with many hours of trigger time.

You can design all you want and make all the theories you can, but the truth comes out when bullets are actually shot, animals are killed dead and the marksman learns his both the rifle and the cartridge. The three become a deadly team.

Theoretical shooting of non-existent bullets on the internet is totally useless. Bullets in the air, bullets actually killing things that bleed and die ... that's all that counts. Anything else is total bullshit.

And that is the damned truth.

Steve

It earned him a spot on the PD Invitational that has been a coveted spot even though it didn't even exist...