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I talked to a technician at Alliant yesterday and he told me that Rl 33 is made for large cases like the 300 ultra mag and 338 Lapua, he further stated that using it in the 264 is like playing with fire. He also stated that he heard of some actions getting stretched and guns being damaged by using RL 33 in a cartridge that it was not intended for, Freddy, thanks for the info, but I'm not sure what it means for an action to get stretched.
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I talked to a technician at Alliant yesterday and he told me that Rl 33 is made for large cases like the 300 ultra mag and 338 Lapua, he further stated that using it in the 264 is like playing with fire. He also stated that he heard of some actions getting stretched and guns being damaged by using RL 33 in a cartridge that it was not intended for, Freddy, thanks for the info, but I'm not sure what it means for an action to get stretched. IMO, an overzealous tech trying to scare the unwashed masses from veering too off the reservation. The whole line of reasoning isn't reasonable. DF
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DF, so what you are saying is that if there is no data for a particular cartridge with a certain powder then we should go out and experiment on our own. I guess I can go out and load my 264 with RL 17 and see what happens.
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DF, so what you are saying is that if there is no data for a particular cartridge with a certain powder then we should go out and experiment on our own. I guess I can go out and load my 264 with RL 17 and see what happens. Loonies work up loads every day, sometimes off the grid...  But, you gotta use common sense. If some are reporting very good results with RL-33 in the .264 (which they are), getting great accuracy, impressive speed without problems, that may be a place to start, dropping back and working up, of course. And it helps if the sources of that info are from respected shooters. And no. I wouldn't fill a magnum case with a fast powder and see what it would do...  My Mamma didn't raise a fool...  Common sense, data from others and careful trial and error, using a chrono. I prefer company data with pressure testing but it's not always available. Right now, I'm working with WC-872 in the 26 Nos. Although there's no factory data available, I know 872 is pretty close to 869 (so far about the best powder for that round) and loads are fairly interchangeable. I have compared notes with those who have used it. I have cases loaded with progressive charges and will seat bullets at the range. I'll be reading the chrono and watching groups. I hope to be impressed...  May even learn something...  DF
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I talked to a technician at Alliant yesterday and he told me that Rl 33 is made for large cases like the 300 ultra mag and 338 Lapua, he further stated that using it in the 264 is like playing with fire. He also stated that he heard of some actions getting stretched and guns being damaged by using RL 33 in a cartridge that it was not intended for, I think I am going to stick with Ramshot magnum and H 4831. ![[Linked Image]](http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo236/rcamuglia/63AB57E7-A71A-4D97-8910-43474A17D95D.gif)
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The new Barnes 120 gr. TAC-X worked great today in my 26 Nos. I shot 400 yd. groups, a hair over 2".
I finally got some Nosler 129 ABLR's, but the 120 TAC-X out shot them. The 127 LRX was runner up at around 3".
You .264 guys may want to try the TAC-X.
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DF: you sure it won't stretch the action??
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DF: you sure it won't stretch the action??  What...! You mean the "three rings of steel"...??? Why, they'd make a bank vault blush... DF
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Do you always act that way toward those who question you. All I did was post what a tech that works for a powder manufacturer told me, it seems you guys that are going off on your own get offended when someone questions you.
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Do you always act that way toward those who question you. All I did was post what a tech that works for a powder manufacturer told me, it seems you guys that are going off on your own get offended when someone questions you. Offended is not the correct word. Entertained is a much better word. Also amused comes to mind. How do you think wildcatters get their load data?
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"How do you think wildcatters get their load data?" On the phone, talking to powder company techs... DF
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Must have struck a nerve with you 264 experts, really don't need your flack, went out this morning with a legitimate load of 62 gr H 4831, Nosler 120 gr BT. Shot a group that measured 1.5 in at 200 yards, shot a group at 300 that measured 2.9 inches, plenty good enough for me. If I need advice I will go to Shooters forum, less sensitive people there.
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Thanks for telling us about h4831. I used that with 106 HV to average 3,754 for ten shots. I will use it to dial in the load with the adjustable brake.
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Must have struck a nerve with you 264 experts, really don't need your flack, went out this morning with a legitimate load of 62 gr H 4831, Nosler 120 gr BT. Shot a group that measured 1.5 in at 200 yards, shot a group at 300 that measured 2.9 inches, plenty good enough for me. If I need advice I will go to Shooters forum, less sensitive people there. I don't own a .264, although I've work with them. Gotta have a tough skin here on the Fire... And, it's all in fun, nothing personal... DF
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You are right about the tough skin, I was not trying to undermine anyone, just repeating what the tech told me. When I shot those loads I was attempting to zero a new scope. I replaced my old 6x Redfield with a Vortex Diamondback 4x12 with the dead hold recticle, with a dead zero set to 200 yards the first hash mark under the crosshairs should put me dead on at 300 but I am about inch and a half high at 300, I guess their calculations are based on a different bullet and velocity.
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I love it here, learning from those who've done stuff I'll never do, helping others with problems I've faced.
The Fire experience is not all peaches and cream, trolls do exist, some contributors can get a bit crude, but the overall experience is worth the B.S., IMO.
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I was not trying to undermine anyone, just repeating what the tech told me Everyone knew that. The fun was poked at the tech spouting corporate-speak, not you. Methinks there IS some here a little sensitive, and his name is Freddy. Just relax and enjoy the banter...it's jut an Internet forum, not life & death.
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Freddy,
Everyone knew that. The fun was poked at the tech spouting corporate-speak, not you.
Methinks there IS some here a little sensitive, and his name is Freddy.
Just relax and enjoy the banter...it's jut an Internet forum, not life & death.
Another thing to consider half these guys might be the same guy with a different name. I'm convinced you and I are different guys, but I don't know if you are one of the regular posters here who gives me a hard time in the optics forum. 
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Now, Ringman. Those Optic Forum guys love you...  DF
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