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Governments picking winners and losers through legislation is most of what has taken us into the dire straights we're in as a nation. Particularly when insider trading is legal for congress, and back-door deals are made daily which end up being simple money transfers from tax-payers to politicians and their friends.

Legislation in the fashion of this thought experiment would be the same, and the deals would be brokered before the law was even on the public's radar, with appropriate stock purchased or dumped, with last-minute amendment due to those not wanting to lose business bribing lawmakers.

Get rid of laws. Let the free market decide what the best products are. You want people to make better choices? Educate; don't legislate. That only empowers corrupt and greedy lawmakers.


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Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Governments picking winners and losers through legislation is most of what has taken us into the dire straights we're in as a nation. Particularly when insider trading is legal for congress, and back-door deals are made daily which end up being simple money transfers from tax-payers to politicians and their friends.

Legislation in the fashion of this thought experiment would be the same, and the deals would be brokered before the law was even on the public's radar, with appropriate stock purchased or dumped, with last-minute amendment due to those not wanting to lose business bribing lawmakers.

Get rid of laws. Let the free market decide what the best products are. You want people to make better choices? Educate; don't legislate. That only empowers corrupt and greedy lawmakers.


Your points are valid but who decides who gets to educate us?

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I think then entire meaning of the OPs topic has been misunderstood.

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Originally Posted by Paradiddle
I think then entire meaning of the OPs topic has been misunderstood.


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Originally Posted by Paradiddle
I think then entire meaning of the OPs topic has been misunderstood.


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Most of you have missed the point.

Obviously no government should pass such laws.

But the point is that most hunters look for some magic cartridge, not really better than any other cartridge, shoot endlessly off the bench trying to shoot meaningless small groups, don't know how to shoot off their hind legs like a man, and would be far better off learning to be a GOOD SHOT than endlessly discussing and worrying about cartridge and group minutiae.


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I believe Mule Deer has discussed this phenomenon. People have far less time to spend afield and far fewer places to be afield so must drive much longer distances to get there. Many people don't even have a good place to shoot their rifles closer than an hour or two hours away. So instead of actually hunting or scouting or doing target practice they concentrate on this minutiae.



If someone really wants to drive people batsh*t crazy, log on to a golf forum and propose this same idea except that golfers are limited to two woods, three irons and one putter. And no range finders or golf carts, they have to carry their own bags.

I wouldn't recommend it since even if you posted it with a dozen smiley faces you'd still get very earnest death threats. shocked Talk about a group of people who want to buy skill out of a box...


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Wouldn't Reverse Loonyism also include 4x scopes (or factory issued iron sights)? Handloading would be out of the picture, as would bullet selection, unless you could do so by picking the ammo brand. Sounds like my father's rifle...30-06 with a 4x Weaver, shooting factory 180 gr soft points, beat to hell from using it as a crutch and falling on it. Boring, but it usually brought meat home.


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I don't think handloading is necessarily part of loonyism--except the kind Jim in Idaho described, where loonies who almost never shoot except off a bench (and even then maybe never beyond 100 yards) strive for the tiniest groups, even though such groups are meaningless in the vast majority of hunting.

I've known guys who handload and shoot a lot, but don't buy and sell and "build" rifles constantly, hoping one will change their life. Instead these guys handload because they shoot a lot, and because they shoot a lot they shoot well, even off their hind legs "like a man." Hell, I even known one woman, very well, who shoots off her hind legs very well, unlike most men. :-)


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Didn't miss the point. The point wasn't about the law part of the post, that was a theoretical to level the playing field. I just found that portion of it humorous at the time.
The point was that more practice and familiarity with your firearm = better success. Nothing loony there. That has and always will be the case. Likely every living, breathing creature on the North American continent has been dispatched with an '06. Before that, it would be a safe bet that the same has been done with the 30-30, 22 LR, and if you were patient enough to research it, dozens of other cartridges as well. 8000 years before that, every creature on the continent was dispatched with a pointy rock lashed to a stick. Even then, some used different purpose shaped rocks, shorter and longer sticks, bows, spears, atlatls, etc. So the point really is that whatever shape or form the tool of choice is, it is most effective in the hands of one who practices with it, is familiar with it's abilities and limitations, is cognizant of the quarry and environmental variables involved. Loonyism is a lot more deeply ingrained than the 30-06, and the last generation or two, as is the over-arching point about practice and familiarity with your tool of choice.

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Originally Posted by IndyCA35

I'm betting that, if such a law were passed, the success on big game would improve and perhaps fewer hunters would be injured by dangerous game.

I'm betting that a lot of lawmakers would get to know a '06 round up close personal.
Good way to start a rebellion.


















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And here we go again....


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I know this is a thought experiment, but if it were seriously posited, then I would make it a point to use a 30.06 to eliminate a varmint of the first order.
Or maybe I'd just use an unapproved device to accomplish the same task.
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Originally Posted by Tracks
Originally Posted by IndyCA35

I'm betting that, if such a law were passed, the success on big game would improve and perhaps fewer hunters would be injured by dangerous game.

I'm betting that a lot of lawmakers would get to know a '06 round up close personal.
Good way to start a rebellion.

I forgot to add this... grin


















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5. For elephant, it is illegal to use any cartridge except the .375 H&H with 300 grain bullets.


Why? Jack O'Connor's wife did just fine with the '06.


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5. For elephant, it is illegal to use any cartridge except the .375 H&H with 300 grain bullets.


Why? Jack O'Connor's wife did just fine with the '06.


You're right. It should have been any cartridge larger than the .375. I have personally seen entire elephants missed with .458 and .500 caliber rifles, probably due to flinch.


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Examples of one are so illuminating. Better (but a cliche) would have been to cite the hundreds of elephants Bell killed with rifles chambered for cartridges less powerful than the .30-06.

This has been a very interesting thread, mostly due to the reactions of several posters.


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30-06??? Why when in North America you can kill any game with a 22 hornet. wink


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