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Speigle 99 #9925808 05/23/15 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT E ekp OP Campfire Member OP ekp Campfire Member E Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT Looking at a Speigle edition 99 in 303. Can someone fill me in on rifle. I would put condition at around 50 - 70 %. "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" Oscar Wilde

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9925860 05/23/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,031 San Antonio, TX TomA Campfire Regular TomA Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,031 San Antonio, TX Do a search using spiegle and 3 pages of info will come up. Tom [Linked Image]

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9926192 05/23/15 Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,778 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,778 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska 303s are hard to find, but at 50%-70% the value is going to be fairly low. “The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9926738 05/23/15 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT E ekp OP Campfire Member OP ekp Campfire Member E Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT Not sure how to grade it. Checkering is good hard to tell about blue. Going to ask about 3 day inspection. 500 is price. "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" Oscar Wilde

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9926800 05/23/15 Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,778 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,778 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska Good luck! “The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9926904 05/23/15 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,741 central Maine Plab Campfire Regular Plab Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,741 central Maine 500 bucks !!! buy it that's cheap plab Gotta love them 303's

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9926926 05/23/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 3,495 Sauk City, WI Southern_WI_Savage Campfire Tracker Southern_WI_Savage Campfire Tracker Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 3,495 Sauk City, WI Buy it and sort the rest out later. Do you happen to know the model? or s.n.? Last edited by Southern_WI_Savage; 05/23/15. "Every day above ground is a good day."

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9927064 05/23/15 Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,778 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,778 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska A Spiegel would be a 99EG with the roll stamping and odd d&t on top of receiver and barrel. Would be curious if it has checkered forearm as well as buttplate and what the serial number is. Majority are in 300, would love to find a 303 and 250. “The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9927134 05/23/15 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT E ekp OP Campfire Member OP ekp Campfire Member E Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT This rifle is factory engraved on receiver. "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" Oscar Wilde

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9927222 05/23/15 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 17,739 Likes: 1 Michigan, In , Boon S saddlering Campfire Ranger saddlering Campfire Ranger S Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 17,739 Likes: 1 Michigan, In , Boon Thats what Calhoun ment when he said roll stamping, not realy engraved as in hand engraveing. Deer Camp! about as good as it gets!

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9927334 05/23/15 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT E ekp OP Campfire Member OP ekp Campfire Member E Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT Seller sent me copy of evaluation of rifle. Copy as follows: of wear, extra screwholes and cracked stock at the tang, added sling/ swivels pretty much renders it into the shooters classification. Condition is everything. If the bore is bright/shiny and has pronounced lands /groves your $600. asking is ok, can always come down. I would love to have one to go with my collection, but normally go for higher quality. If the gun was 90% would sell for around $1000.to $1200. Not sure now as I don't need a shooter. Could buy for 400. "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" Oscar Wilde

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9927440 05/23/15 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT E ekp OP Campfire Member OP ekp Campfire Member E Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT Did Speigle have sling swivels installed? The swivels look to be of the correct period. If I do buy it for 400 and is not collectable I may have it rust blued and restocked. "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" Oscar Wilde

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9927464 05/23/15 Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,778 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,778 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska Spiegel did indeed have sling swivels installed. “The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9927472 05/23/15 Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,778 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,778 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/9682884/1 “The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com

Re: Speigle 99 Calhoun #9927502 05/23/15 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT E ekp OP Campfire Member OP ekp Campfire Member E Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT Originally Posted by Calhoun Spiegel did indeed have sling swivels installed. So the only concerns I have would be the amount of wear on the bluing. There is a small rust spot on the under side of the barrel. I think 400 would be a buy. "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" Oscar Wilde

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9927566 05/23/15 Joined: May 2011 Posts: 56,340 Likes: 9 Oregon Fireball2 Campfire Kahuna Fireball2 Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2011 Posts: 56,340 Likes: 9 Oregon Originally Posted by ekp Originally Posted by Calhoun Spiegel did indeed have sling swivels installed. So the only concerns I have would be the amount of wear on the bluing. There is a small rust spot on the under side of the barrel. I think 400 would be a buy. $500 is a buy, $400 is a crime. Why not just cut the crap and offer him $100 and a bottle of Jim Beam, after you drink half the bottle with him? _______________________________________________________ An 8 dollar driveway boy living in a T-111 shack LOL

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9928074 05/23/15 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT E ekp OP Campfire Member OP ekp Campfire Member E Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT Do you think a bottle and cigar would be to much? "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" Oscar Wilde

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9928080 05/23/15 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 12,631 Lyndeborough New Hampshire Longbeardking Campfire Outfitter Longbeardking Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 12,631 Lyndeborough New Hampshire If this is a Vermont gun, send it this way. I'm not very far from you and my .303 Speigle could use a roommate. If it were mine, the price would be out of this world............ NRA Endowment Life Member (and proud of it) Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing. Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. - Plato Deuteronomy 22:5

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9928804 05/24/15 Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 6,522 Likes: 1 Wyoming wyo1895 Campfire Tracker wyo1895 Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 6,522 Likes: 1 Wyoming I traded for a Speigle last weekend at the Denver show. It's a 303 with forearm and buttstock checkered, matching numbers and sling swivels. Serial #3947xx. I'll get it out and photograph it this afternoon along with the two 1899's I got there. David wyo1895 With Savage never say never. For a copy of my book on engraved Savage lever actions rifles send a check for $80 to; David Royal, p.o. box 1271, Pinedale, Wy., 82941. I will sign and inscribe the book for you. [email protected]

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9930978 05/24/15 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,741 central Maine Plab Campfire Regular Plab Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,741 central Maine I'd like to find a speigle in 303 plab Gotta love them 303's

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9931352 05/24/15 Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 6,522 Likes: 1 Wyoming wyo1895 Campfire Tracker wyo1895 Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 6,522 Likes: 1 Wyoming So much for well laid plans. The boss thought I should work on putting flooring down. We've been walking around on OSB for a coupla years now. I'll try again tomorrow around the Memorial Day service. wyo1895 With Savage never say never. For a copy of my book on engraved Savage lever actions rifles send a check for $80 to; David Royal, p.o. box 1271, Pinedale, Wy., 82941. I will sign and inscribe the book for you. [email protected]

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9932470 05/25/15 Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 6,522 Likes: 1 Wyoming wyo1895 Campfire Tracker wyo1895 Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 6,522 Likes: 1 Wyoming Here are some photos of my Speigle 99EG. Overall view side view of sling swivel bottom view of sling swivel right side engraving left side engraving rear sight showing plug for scope mount hole through the elevator slot the holes for the rear scope mount are on each side of the cocking indicator [img]http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a550/wyo1895/IMG_2576_zpsnxdcizel.jpg[/img] wyo1895 With Savage never say never. For a copy of my book on engraved Savage lever actions rifles send a check for $80 to; David Royal, p.o. box 1271, Pinedale, Wy., 82941. I will sign and inscribe the book for you. [email protected]

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9932708 05/25/15 Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,731 In my Stomping Grounds Sbrown Campfire Regular Sbrown Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,731 In my Stomping Grounds WOW David, don't know what you traded for that Speigle but you must have been happy with it. I know I would have. Speigles are really cool 99's. Lots of history there. Steve “Alive in JESUS!” NRA LIFE MEMBER

Re: Speigle 99 Sbrown #9934208 05/25/15 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 9,102 new hampshire L Loggah Campfire Outfitter Loggah Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 9,102 new hampshire Someone put the wrong sling studs on that nice rifle !!! ,David you got to find a set of the right studs. I dont see anything wrong with that floor !!!!!!

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9934290 05/25/15 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT E ekp OP Campfire Member OP ekp Campfire Member E Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT The rifle I'm getting has a brass medallion on the butt stock with the owners name on it. Was this an option or added by owner? "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" Oscar Wilde

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9934896 05/25/15 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,008 CAUTION:POST COUNT=BS METER Grogel_Deluxe Campfire Tracker Grogel_Deluxe Campfire Tracker Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,008 CAUTION:POST COUNT=BS METER IIRC it was something that they offered with a rifle as an option for some extra money. I dont think they installed it on the rifle for you. We have seen 1 or 2 on savage rifles. Here are some of them on Mossberg .22s http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=486253 "We're all going to have so much [bleep] fun we'll need plastic surgery to remove our god damn smiles." - Clark Griswold Remembering The 99 http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1163424

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9935030 05/25/15 Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 6,522 Likes: 1 Wyoming wyo1895 Campfire Tracker wyo1895 Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 6,522 Likes: 1 Wyoming I traded a really well worn 1899H TD in 25-35 plus some cash. That rifle is also a caliber I didn't have in an EG. wyo1895 With Savage never say never. For a copy of my book on engraved Savage lever actions rifles send a check for $80 to; David Royal, p.o. box 1271, Pinedale, Wy., 82941. I will sign and inscribe the book for you. [email protected]

Re: Speigle 99 Grogel_Deluxe #9935138 05/25/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 3,495 Sauk City, WI Southern_WI_Savage Campfire Tracker Southern_WI_Savage Campfire Tracker Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 3,495 Sauk City, WI Originally Posted by Grogel_Deluxe IIRC it was something that they offered with a rifle as an option for some extra money. I dont think they installed it on the rifle for you. We have seen 1 or 2 on savage rifles. Here are some of them on Mossberg .22s http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=486253 "Every day above ground is a good day."

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9935806 05/25/15 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT E ekp OP Campfire Member OP ekp Campfire Member E Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT So if I understand Mossberg made a mount for there scope with Speigle to put on this rifle. Is there a contemporary solution to mount a scope? "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" Oscar Wilde

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9935854 05/25/15 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT E ekp OP Campfire Member OP ekp Campfire Member E Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT We should honor who came before. That is what is cool about a personal medallion of a previous owner. "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" Oscar Wilde

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9954258 05/29/15 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT E ekp OP Campfire Member OP ekp Campfire Member E Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT Originally Posted by ekp We should honor who came before. That is what is cool about a personal medallion of a previous owner. I received my Speigle 99 yesterday. Here are the photos. Photo Bucket A few things I noticed a boss code that appears to be a Q. I thought Savage started with boss codes in 49. The serial number is 379892. The front blade sight is in white. I have a couple of questions. There is a small spot of rust on the barrel. Can I steel wool it off and oil without hurting value. Also the buttstock needs a crack repaired will that hurt value. Last edited by ekp; 05/29/15. "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" Oscar Wilde

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9954454 05/30/15 Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,722 Eastern PA steve99 Campfire Tracker steve99 Campfire Tracker Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,722 Eastern PA Boss code doesn't mean anything pre war, its an inspector stamp. Clean the rust, fix the crack. The crack hurts the value. You don't have much into the rifle. "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed-unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." James Madison

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9954750 05/30/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 3,495 Sauk City, WI Southern_WI_Savage Campfire Tracker Southern_WI_Savage Campfire Tracker Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 3,495 Sauk City, WI Thanks for posting. Looks like it will clean up nice. Good find. Opinions vary regarding removing rust. Wool - steel, brass or copper. With or without oil. Do a google search and maybe try on something else first. Personally, I'd go with the finest brass wool I could find, dry and don't overdue it, oil afterward. JMO. Good luck! "Every day above ground is a good day."

Re: Speigle 99 Southern_WI_Savage #9955884 05/30/15 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT E ekp OP Campfire Member OP ekp Campfire Member E Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT Originally Posted by Southern_WI_Savage Thanks for posting. Looks like it will clean up nice. Good find. Opinions vary regarding removing rust. Wool - steel, brass or copper. With or without oil. Do a google search and maybe try on something else first. Personally, I'd go with the finest brass wool I could find, dry and don't overdue it, oil afterward. JMO. Good luck! Little oil and 0000 steel wool and it cleaned up nicely. "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" Oscar Wilde

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9987982 06/07/15 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT E ekp OP Campfire Member OP ekp Campfire Member E Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT I know I am probably killing this thread but I was under the impression that Speigles were EG's. So wouldn't follow that the barrels would be 24"?. Mine has a 22" barrel. Did Speigle sell both? "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" Oscar Wilde

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9988250 06/07/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 3,495 Sauk City, WI Southern_WI_Savage Campfire Tracker Southern_WI_Savage Campfire Tracker Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 3,495 Sauk City, WI Murray says, 303 were 22". "Every day above ground is a good day."

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9988368 06/07/15 Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 6,522 Likes: 1 Wyoming wyo1895 Campfire Tracker wyo1895 Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 6,522 Likes: 1 Wyoming 22 HP, 250-3000, 303 and 30-30 were 22". 300 was 24". Someone on here, probably SBrown has a 30-30 or 303 with a 24" barrel, but normal production was as listed above. wyo1895 With Savage never say never. For a copy of my book on engraved Savage lever actions rifles send a check for $80 to; David Royal, p.o. box 1271, Pinedale, Wy., 82941. I will sign and inscribe the book for you. [email protected]

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9988456 06/07/15 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 17,739 Likes: 1 Michigan, In , Boon S saddlering Campfire Ranger saddlering Campfire Ranger S Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 17,739 Likes: 1 Michigan, In , Boon Has anyone seen one in 22HP of 250? Iv seen them in 303, 30-30 and 300 Deer Camp! about as good as it gets!

Re: Speigle 99 saddlering #9988828 06/07/15 Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 14,598 N E Kansas Rick99 Campfire Outfitter Rick99 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 14,598 N E Kansas .250...yes .22HP...no Savage...never say "never". Rick... Join the NRA...together we stand, divided we fall!

Re: Speigle 99 Rick99 #9990228 06/07/15 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 9,102 new hampshire L Loggah Campfire Outfitter Loggah Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 9,102 new hampshire I got an EG in 22 H.P. with a 24" barrel! real late Utica rifle.

Re: Speigle 99 Loggah #9991602 06/07/15 Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 14,598 N E Kansas Rick99 Campfire Outfitter Rick99 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 14,598 N E Kansas I was referring to Spiegel's. May be I answered a questions not asked...? Savage...never say "never". Rick... Join the NRA...together we stand, divided we fall!

Re: Speigle 99 Rick99 #9991694 06/07/15 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 9,102 new hampshire L Loggah Campfire Outfitter Loggah Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 9,102 new hampshire Got it!

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #9991842 06/07/15 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 17,739 Likes: 1 Michigan, In , Boon S saddlering Campfire Ranger saddlering Campfire Ranger S Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 17,739 Likes: 1 Michigan, In , Boon No I had asked, and I ment about the Speigles, Don also has a 22hp "G" to go with the EG! Deer Camp! about as good as it gets!

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #10007822 06/11/15 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT E ekp OP Campfire Member OP ekp Campfire Member E Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT After disassembling my 303 I find the barrel is marked on the bottom with the description off with and arrow. Is this the same as a Take down? "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" Oscar Wilde

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #10007846 06/11/15 Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,778 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,778 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska Yep, takedown barrel. See them on various solid frames in the 30's sometimes. I have a 99R in 300 Savage with one. “The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #10007936 06/11/15 Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT E ekp OP Campfire Member OP ekp Campfire Member E Joined: May 2014 Posts: 161 Upstate NY near Green Mts. VT What is the procedure and tool required to remove? Also should I? Last edited by ekp; 06/11/15. "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" Oscar Wilde

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #10008000 06/11/15 Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 12,729 So. Kaleefornya L Lightfoot Campfire Outfitter Lightfoot Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 12,729 So. Kaleefornya They were not built to remove. Just Savage using up parts. Waste not - want not must have been on a banner somewhere inside there walls!

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #10009548 06/11/15 Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,288 Tennessee Skidrow Campfire Tracker Skidrow Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,288 Tennessee In other words, Savage put a takedown barrel on a fixed barrel rifle. They were using up old stock or maybe they were overstock in takedown barrels. Go tell the Spartans,Travelers passing by,That here,Obedient to their laws we lie. I'm older now but I'm still runnin' against the wind

Re: Speigle 99 ekp #10010066 06/12/15 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,121 Likes: 2 Annapolis, Md. G gnoahhh Campfire Ranger gnoahhh Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,121 Likes: 2 Annapolis, Md. Or maybe they just felt like it! "Hey Boss, why are we putting these TD barrels on those solid frame rifles?" "Because I want to give those schmucks on the Savage forum 80 years from now something to wag their tongues about!" "You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty