Don't confuse Sam with facts, he's old, has a heart condition and lost his prostate in the late 90's.
Pat Robertson prayed him a new prostate and a bunch of Viagra so all is well with him.
Pah-RAISE GAWD!!
The Tea Party Movement is pretty much the same as a bowel movement except that it smells worse and has far less in the way of intelligent content. --DancesWithGuns
The Pope is infallible with regards to matters of Church doctrine. But when it comes to social issues, I believe he is out of his element. Whether someone believes the Pope has strayed into other areas, it doesn't diminish Church doctrine.
He is a man, therefore he is fallible.
Yep THEY bleed and fall over when shot. And, they dont arise on thr third day.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
The Pope is infallible with regards to matters of Church doctrine. But when it comes to social issues, I believe he is out of his element. Whether someone believes the Pope has strayed into other areas, it doesn't diminish Church doctrine.
Was Jesus out of his element when he said this?
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"You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'" Luke 18:22
LOL! The good Christians are always in a state of constant religious and moral flip-flop.
Social issues indeed. All issues are social.
The Pope is the first good Pope since John (who was only fairly good).
Enjoy him. Enjoy being a rich Republican. Hell is waiting.
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The Tea Party Movement is pretty much the same as a bowel movement except that it smells worse and has far less in the way of intelligent content. --DancesWithGuns
The notion of the Pope is rooted in Scripture: Matt 16:18-9
I don't see it that way. Jesus was asking Simon Peter who people thought He (Jesus) was..., and then He asked Simon Peter who 'he' though Jesus was, and Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” And THAT statement, THAT declaration, is the rock upon which Jesus built His church. It wasn't Peter himself...rather, it was the declarative statement that Simon Peter made that was the 'rock' that Jesus was referring to.
The notion of the Pope is rooted in Scripture: Matt 16:18-9
I don't see it that way. Jesus was asking Simon Peter who people thought He (Jesus) was..., and then He asked Simon Peter who 'he' though Jesus was, and Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” And THAT statement, THAT declaration, is the rock upon which Jesus built His church. It wasn't Peter himself...rather, it was the declarative statement that Simon Peter made that was the 'rock' that Jesus was referring to.
Your analysis stopped with verse 18. Verse 19 is just as important.
You may not see it that way, but history disagrees with you. Simon Peter was the first Pope. And there is a historical record from him in direct succession through every Pope to the current Pope. It is a matter of recorded history.
The Pope is infallible with regards to matters of Church doctrine. But when it comes to social issues, I believe he is out of his element. Whether someone believes the Pope has strayed into other areas, it doesn't diminish Church doctrine.
Was Jesus out of his element when he said this?
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"You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'" Luke 18:22
LOL! The good Christians are always in a state of constant religious and moral flip-flop.
Social issues indeed. All issues are social.
The Pope is the first good Pope since John (who was only fairly good).
Enjoy him. Enjoy being a rich Republican. Hell is waiting.
If the rich man sold all his stuff and gave it to a poor guy, would not he then be rich and in the same fix as he was? I did not see Jesus give him any commie instructions about wealth redistribution he just said sell it and give it away. Was he only to spread it around thin?
More to this scripture than meets the eye me thinks. Check out the con job the rich young man tried to lay on Jesus earlier in the dialogue? Anyone see it?
"Men must be governed by God or they will be ruled by tyrants". --- William Penn
Your analysis stopped with verse 18. Verse 19 is just as important. You may not see it that way, but history disagrees with you. Simon Peter was the first Pope. And there is a historical record from him in direct succession through every Pope to the current Pope. It is a matter of recorded history.
When Jesus says "I will give you the keys to the kingdom" in verse 19, He was speaking of His church, not just Peter. All of those who belong to His church have the keys to which He is referring to...not just Peter and not just the Pope. The historical record to which you are referring to is the Catholic Church's historical record, and the succession to which you are referring to is a matter of the Catholic Church's recorded history.
Your analysis stopped with verse 18. Verse 19 is just as important. You may not see it that way, but history disagrees with you. Simon Peter was the first Pope. And there is a historical record from him in direct succession through every Pope to the current Pope. It is a matter of recorded history.
When Jesus says "I will give you the keys to the kingdom" in verse 19, He was speaking of His church, not just Peter. All of those who belong to His church have the keys to which He is referring to...not just Peter and not just the Pope. The historical record to which you are referring to is the Catholic Church's historical record, and the succession to which you are referring to is a matter of the Catholic Church's recorded history.
Is there any historical record that disputes this record?
In the original Greek, Jesus called Peter Petros but said that on this petra I will build my church. They're completely different words. Petros is masculine and is a piece of rock that's unstable and can be moved. Petra, feminine, is a huge, solid, unmovable rock. Jesus said that Peter was a piece of rock, hard but a man, temporary and movable. He would build his church on Peter's testimony, a petra, which was eternal and unmoving.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
The notion of the Pope is rooted in Scripture: Matt 16:18-9
I don't see it that way. Jesus was asking Simon Peter who people thought He (Jesus) was..., and then He asked Simon Peter who 'he' though Jesus was, and Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” And THAT statement, THAT declaration, is the rock upon which Jesus built His church. It wasn't Peter himself...rather, it was the declarative statement that Simon Peter made that was the 'rock' that Jesus was referring to.
Amen. Though shalt eat fish on Friday.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
Is there any historical record that disputes this record?
Yeah, the Bible. Nowhere in Scripture did Peter claim supremacy over the other apostles. And nowhere in his writings did Peter claim any special role, authority, or power over Jesus' church. And nowhere in Scripture did Peter state that his apostolic authority would be passed on to successors (other Pope's). Peter played a crucial role in the early spread of the gospel, but nothing in Scripture supports the concept that Peter was the first Pope...or that he had more authority than the other apostles, or that his 'authority' would be passed on to the others in Rome who would be called 'Pope'. Peter himself points to Jesus as the Shepherd and Overseer of His church.
The Pope is infallible with regards to matters of Church doctrine. But when it comes to social issues, I believe he is out of his element. Whether someone believes the Pope has strayed into other areas, it doesn't diminish Church doctrine.
Was Jesus out of his element when he said this?
Quote
"You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'" Luke 18:22
LOL! The good Christians are always in a state of constant religious and moral flip-flop.
Social issues indeed. All issues are social.
The Pope is the first good Pope since John (who was only fairly good).
Enjoy him. Enjoy being a rich Republican. Hell is waiting.
If the rich man sold all his stuff and gave it to a poor guy, would not he then be rich and in the same fix as he was? I did not see Jesus give him any commie instructions about wealth redistribution he just said sell it and give it away. Was he only to spread it around thin?
More to this scripture than meets the eye me thinks. Check out the con job the rich young man tried to lay on Jesus earlier in the dialogue? Anyone see it?
You're wrong in a couple of ways.
First off, Jesus didn't say to give all your wealth to ONE POOR GUY. You're changing the meaning of the Bible. Typical Christian maneuver.
Second, there was no "con job" laid on Jesus and you have no point......just obfuscation.
The Tea Party Movement is pretty much the same as a bowel movement except that it smells worse and has far less in the way of intelligent content. --DancesWithGuns
Is there any historical record that disputes this record?
Yeah, the Bible. Nowhere in Scripture did Peter claim supremacy over the other apostles. And nowhere in his writings did Peter claim any special role, authority, or power over Jesus' church. And nowhere in Scripture did Peter state that his apostolic authority would be passed on to successors (other Pope's). Peter played a crucial role in the early spread of the gospel, but nothing in Scripture supports the concept that Peter was the first Pope...or that he had more authority than the other apostles, or that his 'authority' would be passed on to the others in Rome who would be called 'Pope'. Peter himself points to Jesus as the Shepherd and Overseer of His church.
Again, you are conveniently ignoring Matt 16:19.
Also, the early history of the church is widely recognized among protestants as well, except American evangelicals.
Again, you are conveniently ignoring Matt 16:19. Also, the early history of the church is widely recognized among protestants as well, except American evangelicals.
Hardly. I just see it differently than the Catholic church does. And the "early history of the church" is very different from Catholic doctrine that isn't scriptural...like Peter being the first Pope, or the Immaculate Conception and Ascension of Mary, or the Canonization of Saints. If you wanna believe that stuff that's your prerogative...but don't try and pass it off as 'church history'....because it ain't.
In the original Greek, Jesus called Peter Petros but said that on this petra I will build my church. They're completely different words. Petros is masculine and is a piece of rock that's unstable and can be moved. Petra, feminine, is a huge, solid, unmovable rock. Jesus said that Peter was a piece of rock, hard but a man, temporary and movable. He would build his church on Peter's testimony, a petra, which was eternal and unmoving.
Since those words were crafted by the crafty GENTILE followers of the false Apostle Saul/Paul to solidify the hold of the ROMAN Church on the gullible followers of the myth.....they are worth not a dried up fig.
The Tea Party Movement is pretty much the same as a bowel movement except that it smells worse and has far less in the way of intelligent content. --DancesWithGuns
In the original Greek, Jesus called Peter Petros but said that on this petra I will build my church. They're completely different words. Petros is masculine and is a piece of rock that's unstable and can be moved. Petra, feminine, is a huge, solid, unmovable rock. Jesus said that Peter was a piece of rock, hard but a man, temporary and movable. He would build his church on Peter's testimony, a petra, which was eternal and unmoving.
Since those words were crafted by the crafty GENTILE followers of the false Apostle Saul/Paul to solidify the hold of the ROMAN Church on the gullible followers of the myth.....they are worth not a dried up fig.
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