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In your opinion what is the best high capacity 9mm pistol?
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"Best" is hard to define, but a Glock 19 would have to be in the discussion!
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Beretta 92. The pistol itself sucks but by getting adopted by the military, it stimulated interest and R&D in how to make the 9mm better. Better bullets and better guns as a result...
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I would say the Glock 17, but with today's choices I don't anymore.
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"Best" has to include the Sig 226 and the Sig 229 in all variants. JMO.
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Glock 17 or 19.
Of course, the "Original Wonder-Nine" still rates well: the Browning Hi-Power.
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I don't think anything outside the G17 even warrants consideration.
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Best for me (so far anyway) is the Smith and Wesson M&P. The Glock 17/19 would likely do as well.
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Not I don't think anything outside the G17 even warrants consideration.
Travis Not even the M&P?
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Not I don't think anything outside the G17 even warrants consideration.
Travis Not even the M&P? THE best? G17. Maybe 20 years from now the M&P will be in the same boat or surpass it. Travis
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Glock 17 or 19.
Of course, the "Original Wonder-Nine" still rates well: the Browning Hi-Power. This, especially with the MecGar 15 round mag, for those of us who still cling to our all-metal 1911/1935 pistols. But it's OK if you just have to have plastic then YMMV.
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I don't think anything outside the G17 even warrants consideration.
Travis Jah the G17 is a nice plinker but my 50 round SheissGewahrGemutlicheitBoomenMachen999 is Uber to the Max
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Honorable mentions to squeeze cockers, but hard to beat the P30LS, IMO ![[Linked Image]](http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww127/tex_n_cal/P30LS_zps1d61f4e3.jpg) 
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The HK went out of favor years ago. It shot pretty good, but not nearly as popular as a Glock!
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The HK went out of favor years ago. It shot pretty good, but not nearly as popular as a Glock! "Popular" isn't the same thing as "best". If the Glocks hadn't been cheap, the cops would never have looked at them. Glock sold them under cost to get their feet in the door. They are a good gun, surely, but "best" is very subjective, at the least. My vote goes to the hoary old Browning Hi-Power, or one of the CZ-75 variants. I just like them better (see, subjective opinion!).
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Glock 19 hands down, they just work.
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Ratsmaker I love the BHP and have owned one for 25 years, but the G19 is the best size and ammo capacity around. Like you said Best is different for everyone.
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Because "best" is generally interpreted to mean "favorite" I'm going to have to go with the tried and true CZ75. I've had mine for years and it works perfectly, and has a great trigger.
If "best" is to be read as truly "best" I'd have to go with the Glock 17 as it really is the gun that kicked off the modern era of semi-automatic pistols and is still the single "best" argument for the 9mm cartridge. I'd also lump the Glock 19 and Glock 26 in as well, as they're just the same bird with slightly fewer feathers.
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The Gen. 3 Glock 17 gets my vote! But a Glock 19 is a little easier to pack.
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since it' largely subjective, the 'best 9 for me', is the CZ 75D PCR compact. 14 round magazine, good ergonomics, dead nuts reliable, accurate, easy to carry, reasonable weight and size. I have carried mine several times a week, since 2000, when I picked it up. Zero malfunctions, zero issues. ![[Linked Image]](http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt349/Knocky/2015%20First%20Half/CZ_zpst4fyjhzb.jpg)
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Hi-Powers, CZ's, Squeez-COCKers, and EAA's...
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Here's another vote for the Glock 19...
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I really like the G17 and have been carrying one for 20 years.
That said, I'd give the title "best" to the G19. It's just a little more carry-able, without giving up anything significant.
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Just to keep it honest, the 20 years I've been carrying had a 4-year break while stationed at Camp Pendleton, CALIFORNIA...
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Honorable mentions to squeeze cockers, but hard to beat the P30LS, IMO Always wanted to try one of those, but that's just more damn money then I want to spend on a 9mm.
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Hard to vote against the G17 or G19 for the last 15-20 years, maybe.
In addition to 4 Glocks, I have several Beretta 92's in various configurations, as well as an M&P, & they are all great pistols, but the Glocks are better in various ways, IMHO.
In the near future though, I'd be betting the H&K VP9 might overtake them though.
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In your opinion what is the best high capacity 9mm pistol? is this a real question? G19 is the only answer. I don't have any pretty pictures as mine are pretty worn from daily carry.
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Hard to vote against the G17 or G19 for the last 15-20 years, maybe.
In addition to 4 Glocks, I have several Beretta 92's in various configurations, as well as an M&P, & they are all great pistols, but the Glocks are better in various ways, IMHO.
In the near future though, I'd be betting the H&K VP9 might overtake them though.
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Ratsmaker I love the BHP and have owned one for 25 years, but the G19 is the best size and ammo capacity around. Like you said Best is different for everyone. I had a 19 for awhile, it just doesn't fit my hands. I like them better than the other Glocks, but they don't fit my mitts. The BHP and CZ75s fit me better. We ain't arguing here, you and me, just expressing our opinions. If I had to have a Glock, it would be another 19, but I'd rather have an XD or M&P, they fit my hands better. We're disagreeing, but only in degree, and I don't really care enough to get in a knock-down drag-out fight about it. If it fits your mitts, it'll probably be okay.
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Always wanted to try one of those, but that's just more damn money then I want to spend on a 9mm.
With the safety on it, (the "S" model) it's sort of a mashup of the P226, 1911, and your favorite poly pistol. And the grip feels better to me than anything else I have tried along that line.
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CZ 85 COMBAT - 9 MM > > > http://www.gunshopfinder.com/CZ/cz85combat.jpg < Frame - Steel Barrel - Cold hammer forged Trigger - DA/SA with overtravel adjustment Fully adjustable rear sight Manual safety (No firing pin block safety) Safety stop on hammer Reversible Mag release lever Ambidextrous safety & slide stop levers
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Why are we still talking about this? Glock 17. Anything else is just a derivative of the original.
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I must be on ignore, everyone missed this post. The end of the discussion... Gotta say, that pistol hit a lot of branches on it's fall from the ugly tree. Maybe just me...
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High-capacity
Striker-fired
Polymer-framed
Nitrited metal
This defines the modern wondernine to me.
Glock 17
H&K VP9
S&W M&P
Are at the top of my list. Pick whichever trips your trigger.
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I must be on ignore, everyone missed this post. The end of the discussion... Gotta say, that pistol hit a lot of branches on it's fall from the ugly tree. Maybe just me... Indeed, it is ugly. To me, there are so many hi-cap 9's out there that are extremely reliable and very accurate that you have to consider price and aesthetics when you set out to do this thing. That disqualifies uglies like the H&K and Glock. The OP first said "wondernine" and then "hi cap 9" which are not necessarily the same thing. All wondernines are hi cap 9's but not all hi-cap 9's are wondernines. Also, I'm not sure that modern polymer, striker-type 9's are really the originally defined wondernine. Of the originals, I'd have to give the nod to CZ-75 types. Of the polymers, I'd have to say the M&P.
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I have owned and tried the older Smith Auto's, Sig Auto's, HK Auto's, Beretta Auto's, they are all gone. I don't think High bore axis, inconsistent trigger pull (first shot), and long trigger resets are me. I even had a Shrapnel gun (the smaller mag capacity one) for a while great gun but you should stick with that type of action.
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Honorable mentions to squeeze cockers, but hard to beat the P30LS, IMO My HK VP9 is a sweet shooting pistol. I'm much more accurate with it than more Glock 17 and 19.
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H&K will have to do away with that ridiculous fugging mag release, as well as get a few more years under their belt before they can go on my list.
Seriously, that mag release is a POS. Classic example of German over-thinking.
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Seriously, it's easy to reach. Different than most anything else? Yep.
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It's a POS design.
People rave about the "ergonomics" of the H&K but always fail to mention that mag release. Yes it's serviceable but it is a very poor design.
Put 20 shooters on line and you'll see the problems with it. Even with guys that have a lot of time behind the pistol.
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The gun is so accurate, you don't need a second mag.
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Tossup for me between the Glock 19, (carry one everyday) and an FNC HP.
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The gun is so accurate, you don't need a second mag. Bwha ha ha ha
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It's a POS design.
People rave about the "ergonomics" of the H&K but always fail to mention that mag release. Yes it's serviceable but it is a very poor design.
Put 20 shooters on line and you'll see the problems with it. Even with guys that have a lot of time behind the pistol.
Travis I value your opinion but respectfully disagree.
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The Sig P228 rates in the top five of the best wonder nines
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Depending on intended use, personal hand fit and cost, I'd go with SIG 226, Glock 19 and/or HK VP9.
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It's a POS design.
People rave about the "ergonomics" of the H&K but always fail to mention that mag release. Yes it's serviceable but it is a very poor design.
Put 20 shooters on line and you'll see the problems with it. Even with guys that have a lot of time behind the pistol.
Travis I value your opinion but respectfully disagree. I agree. After 20+ years behind a Sig I switched to HK this year. I didnt switch sooner because of the mag release. After using practicing and training with it, I actually prefer it now. My wife who had 0 time on any platform also chose the HK over my other guns because of the mag release.It was the only gun that she didnt have to break her grip in order to drop a mag. Im sure everyone will have a different take but the numbers dont lie, the VP9 is well liked. As far as few more years under their belt??? I think 60+ is pretty solid.
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I never said I can't use it.
It's just a POS design and keeps it out of the #1 spot IMO.
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As far as few more years under their belt??? I think 60+ is pretty solid.
My bad. I didn't know that model of H&K was 60 years old. Clark
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I never said I can't use it.
It's just a POS design and keeps it out of the #1 spot IMO.
Travis So what make it a POS design? You push it, the mag falls out........... When your hand is on the grip, the thumb goes to the mag release very easily & ergonomically..........what more do you want...........it ain't gonna suck your dick for you. MM
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You push it, the mag falls out...........
No. That's what happens with a well designed mag release. With the H&K's you get a bunch of weak side hands coming up to get the mag free of the strong side heel. Or you get that strong side hand jigglin' and shaking trying to get it free because the shooter has to manipulate their grip so much in order to get the mag release activated. I'm sure H&K figured the whole world was built the same and it would work just dandy, but it doesn't. It's also fun to watch 5 shooters (or more) do reloads. Instead of 5 mags hitting the deck at the same time you get two....one...one...one... Do the same drill with a 1911, Glock, or M&P. Let me know what you see. Clark
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...........it ain't gonna suck your dick for you. MM You don't know that... Travis
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You push it, the mag falls out...........
No. That's what happens with a well designed mag release. With the H&K's you get a bunch of weak side hands coming up to get the mag free of the strong side heel. Or you get that strong side hand jigglin' and shaking trying to get it free because the shooter has to manipulate their grip so much in order to get the mag release activated. I'm sure H&K figured the whole world was built the same and it would work just dandy, but it doesn't. It's also fun to watch 5 shooters (or more) do reloads. Instead of 5 mags hitting the deck at the same time you get two....one...one...one... Do the same drill with a 1911, Glock, or M&P. Let me know what you see. Clark You are thinking of your old P7PSP, that has the mag release at the butt. The later P7's (and the P30) have it in the trigger guard. Flip the little lever with your trigger finger, and the mag drops free. Fast easy, and ambidextrous to boot.
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You push it, the mag falls out...........
Do the same drill with a 1911, Glock, or M&P. Let me know what you see. Clark I tried but the 1911 and M&P jammed before the last round.
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As far as few more years under their belt??? I think 60+ is pretty solid.
My bad. I didn't know that model of H&K was 60 years old. Clark I think their track record hold more weight. I bet the VP9 has been in the works for at least 5 years. R&D at HK is the name of the game. No more beta testing like new Sig owners. [bleep] even the G43 isnt wihtout issues.
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You push it, the mag falls out...........
No. That's what happens with a well designed mag release. With the H&K's you get a bunch of weak side hands coming up to get the mag free of the strong side heel. Or you get that strong side hand jigglin' and shaking trying to get it free because the shooter has to manipulate their grip so much in order to get the mag release activated. I'm sure H&K figured the whole world was built the same and it would work just dandy, but it doesn't. It's also fun to watch 5 shooters (or more) do reloads. Instead of 5 mags hitting the deck at the same time you get two....one...one...one... Do the same drill with a 1911, Glock, or M&P. Let me know what you see. Clark Well, I've actually shot the VP9 & that ain't the way it is. I can release the mag with my thumb w/o changing my grip, same as my Gen 4 Glocks.......with the smaller Gen 3 mag releases, I have to change my grip somewhat. And the VP9's mag falls freely as well, practically jumps outta the gun. Clark, maybe you've got 2 left thumbs or something; sometimes I just don't know about you, laddie. MM
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You are thinking of your old P7PSP, that has the mag release at the butt. The later P7's (and the P30) have it in the trigger guard. Flip the little lever with your trigger finger, and the mag drops free. Fast easy, and ambidextrous to boot.
I am not confusing the two. Travis
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R&D at HK is the name of the game.
That must be why the first iteration of 416's were so fuggin' stellar. Travis
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Well, I've actually shot the VP9 & that ain't the way it is.
I can release the mag with my thumb w/o changing my grip, same as my Gen 4 Glocks.......with the smaller Gen 3 mag releases, I have to change my grip somewhat.
And the VP9's mag falls freely as well, practically jumps outta the gun.
Clark, maybe you've got 2 left thumbs or something; sometimes I just don't know about you, laddie.
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I probably just need more exposure to that type of mag release. Travis
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I've only owned a handful of pistols chambered for the 9mm cartridge. I currently have two Smith & Wesson pistols now. The Shield and the M&P fullsize. Been really pleased with both.
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In your opinion what is the best high capacity 9mm pistol? Sig P226 Tac-Ops.
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It's a POS design.
People rave about the "ergonomics" of the H&K but always fail to mention that mag release. Yes it's serviceable but it is a very poor design.
Put 20 shooters on line and you'll see the problems with it. Even with guys that have a lot of time behind the pistol.
Travis I couldn't possibly imagine what you are talking about here Flave....
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H&K will have to do away with that ridiculous fugging mag release, as well as get a few more years under their belt before they can go on my list.
Seriously, that mag release is a POS. Classic example of German over-thinking.
Travis Didn't think I'd like a paddle style mag release either but after using it some, it has grown on me. It also positively drops the magazine free. Not sure I have ever seen a magazine drop like the HK's.
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Once I have some more time with it, I'm sure I'll come to appreciate the brilliance of its design.
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Well the most proven are the Beretta, Sig, and Glock. Whether they're the "best" would depend on what you needed to do with them. For daily carry, the full sized pistols are a bit on the large size, but they can be carried. The G19 is kinda the benchmark for a daily carry gun, and I'd put the Sig P229 in there as well.
There are a number of new "wondernines" that look very promising. Beretta, Sig, H&K, and FN all have some newer plastic-fantastics that I'll be watching very closely to see how they do in the up-coming government tests. I'm hoping the H&K does well, because even though I'm certainly NOT a fan of H&K, I REALLY like the new VP 9...and no I have no problem with the mag release.
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For me Glock 17/19 has solved all my handgun problems. Sigs and HKs are reliable but those Krauts think it is good to put a $2.00 trigger in an $800.00 gun. HK's trigger gurus then invented a new mag release that helps you put your finger or thumb in or near the trigger guard/trigger. This is really fun when teaching new shooters or trying to use gloves and move.
Full disclosure... I have small hands and stubby thumbs.
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HKs are reliable but those Krauts think it is good to put a $2.00 trigger in an $800.00 gun. You obviously haven't shot an HK VP9 then..............my Glock triggers have all had some TLC & are VERY good, but the VP 9 out-of-the-box trigger is still better than any of the Glocks I own, much less a stock Glock trigger.. MM
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HKs are reliable but those Krauts think it is good to put a $2.00 trigger in an $800.00 gun. You obviously haven't shot an HK VP9 then..............my Glock triggers have all had some TLC & are VERY good, but the VP 9 out-of-the-box trigger is still better than any of the Glocks I own, much less a stock Glock trigger.. MM +1 The VP9 has an amazing trigger and the reset is quite surprising as well..in a good way. The Walther PPQ is another one that has a great trigger. I can't imagine a striker fired handgun having a better trigger than these two. I guess it's possible but I have yet to see it.
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HKs are reliable but those Krauts think it is good to put a $2.00 trigger in an $800.00 gun. You obviously haven't shot an HK VP9 then..............my Glock triggers have all had some TLC & are VERY good, but the VP 9 out-of-the-box trigger is still better than any of the Glocks I own, much less a stock Glock trigger.. MM I won't say that I'm an H&K hater, but let's just say; I'm certainly no fan. And I'm a HUGE fan of the VP9. I'm waiting to see if any issues pop up with it (because H&K kinda has a track record of issues popping up). If they do, H&K will work them out. If no issues pop up, then I'm in. I generally don't buy a gun until it's been out on the market for at least 5 years. I'm quite happy to let others do the field testing, and I'll buy the gun when it's ready for prime time. So I don't much like H&K, but I'm planning on buying a VP9 sometime in the future. It's a damn nice pistol.
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The VP9 trigger is nice because the pistol is single action - the striker is fully cocked by the slide. As for the magazine release, it's one of the better designs to provide true ambidextrous function, rather than merely 'switchable'.
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Here it is, somehow people missed it, the best available.... ![[Linked Image]](http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/handguns/100_0081_zpsea67cd72.jpg)
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The P7M8 American version is indeed a sweet pistol, very accurate and reliable. Fast to get into action, once you are used to it. But the cheapest one on GB right now is $2499. And the P7M13 does not feel nearly as good to me, and probably will cost even more. And the 13 round mags are a hundred bucks (or more). You can find P30LS with factory night sights like mine for a grand. The squeeze cocker just isn't 2½x the pistol 
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You can find P30LS with factory night sights like mine for a grand. The squeeze cocker just isn't 2½x the pistol The last level of performance will always be debated whether it is guns cars or optics, but better is still better and no, it ain't cheap...
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Here it is, somehow people missed it, the best available.... Naw, nobody missed it. But for the price, I can do with other alternatives. MM
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Ya, HK P7
Gets hot if you shoot more than a mag or two in a row.
Its heavy and takes more time to clean/maintain than modern pistols.
Its magazine capacity is sub par compared to modern designs.
You will go broke buying spare magazines.
Good luck finding spare parts if ever needed.
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Ya, HK P7
Gets hot if you shoot more than a mag or two in a row.
Its heavy and takes more time to clean/maintain than modern pistols.
Its magazine capacity is sub par compared to modern designs.
You will go broke buying spare magazines.
Good luck finding spare parts if ever needed.
You seem like a smart guy, how come you know so little about the M-13?
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Ya, HK P7
Gets hot if you shoot more than a mag or two in a row.
Its heavy and takes more time to clean/maintain than modern pistols.
Its magazine capacity is sub par compared to modern designs.
You will go broke buying spare magazines.
Good luck finding spare parts if ever needed.
Sweet mag release too. Travis
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I'd be happy with the Beretta M9. I found it to be reliable and accurate.
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Beretta 92. The pistol itself sucks but by getting adopted by the military, it stimulated interest and R&D in how to make the 9mm better. Better bullets and better guns as a result... The Beretta 92FS/M9 combined the DA/SA of the Walther P38 and the double stacked magazine of the Browning Hi Power. It also put the U.S. Army in compliance with standard NATO ammo. It's physically too large to be a tool for all people, but it's reliability is excellent. Since shooters under stress are apt to keep their finger inside the trigger guard the trigger disconnect safety has reduced accidental discharges and injuries. All in all its been a good weapon. If there was a new 9mm pistol competition today I think the Glock 19 would win out. But that's a hypothetical.
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Some guy who has the audacity to trash the revered and storied Heckler & Koch P7, 9MM Pistole . . .
Is the same guy who thinks the sun rises and sets on a polymer framed, Ruger LCR, 22 LR Revolver ?
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Some guy who has the audacity to trash the revered and storied Heckler & Koch P7, 9MM Pistole . . .
Is the same guy who thinks the sun rises and sets on a polymer framed, Ruger LCR, 22 LR Revolver ? I've owned, shot, and carried both. I found the DAO, snub-nosed revolver concept to be worthwhile. I did not find the cuckoo-clock on the strong side of my belt concept worthwhile. They are cool and are a good investment. That's where their worth ends for me. Travis
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Some guy who has the audacity to trash the revered and storied Heckler & Koch P7, 9MM Pistole . . .
Is the same guy who thinks the sun rises and sets on a polymer framed, Ruger LCR, 22 LR Revolver ? I've owned, shot, and carried both. I found the DAO, snub-nosed revolver concept to be worthwhile. I did not find the cuckoo-clock on the strong side of my belt concept worthwhile. They are cool and are a good investment. That's where their worth ends for me. Travis Speaking of Coo-Coo clock you also had a PSP. Don't blame a mag release on an earlier model. You have seen a P-7 in the hands of a talented shooter and it was nothing less than spectacular...
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I am familiar with both style mag releases.
I have some nice leather for a P7 if you are interested.
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Some guy who has the audacity to trash the revered and storied Heckler & Koch P7, 9MM Pistole . . .
Is the same guy who thinks the sun rises and sets on a polymer framed, Ruger LCR, 22 LR Revolver ? I've owned, shot, and carried both. I found the DAO, snub-nosed revolver concept to be worthwhile. I did not find the cuckoo-clock on the strong side of my belt concept worthwhile. They are cool and are a good investment. That's where their worth ends for me. Travis O.K. You just finish a turd sandwich, what do you prefer, a toothbrush or your snub nose .38. A toothbrush over a snub nose revolver didn't say much for your revolver...
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I don't know what any of that means.
But I know H&K is a long ways from making the best 9mm pistol.
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I am familiar with both style mag releases.
I have some nice leather for a P7 if you are interested.
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This is turning into a gouge-a-thon.
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If no issues pop up, then I'm in. I generally don't buy a gun until it's been out on the market for at least 5 years. It's 60 years old and R&D is the name of the game with H&K. Travis
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If no issues pop up, then I'm in. I generally don't buy a gun until it's been out on the market for at least 5 years. It's 60 years old and R&D is the name of the game with H&K P-7 Travis Thanks gouger II
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The HK went out of favor years ago. It shot pretty good, but not nearly as popular as a Glock! "Popular" isn't the same thing as "best". If the Glocks hadn't been cheap, the cops would never have looked at them. Glock sold them under cost to get their feet in the door. They are a good gun, surely, but "best" is very subjective, at the least. My vote goes to the hoary old Browning Hi-Power, or one of the CZ-75 variants. I just like them better (see, subjective opinion!). Agreed. (I don't like plastic pistols!)
I prefer classic.
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MontanaMan you are correct I have not shot a Vp9 but now I feel obligated to do so. My Glocks all have stock triggers that are dry fire polished so I think I am just use to them.
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Sig P226 Navy.
I've been told by retired military guys that used them, that the Sig is the AK47 of 9mm handguns.
Tough and very dependable.
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The P226 missed becoming the M9 on the basis of cost per unit. Because the M9 Beretta is so physically large the SIG P228 M11 is substituted where a smaller pistol is needed.
If the military dumps the M9 Beretta the M11 SIG is the logical replacement. Unless a whole new competition is initiated
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Sig P226 Navy.
I've been told by retired military guys that used them, that the Sig is the AK47 of 9mm handguns.
Tough and very dependable.
Virgil B. Impossible. The Sig is accurate. 
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If I wanted to get it down to one 9mm it would probably be an S&W M&P, even with as much as I like my SR9.
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If no issues pop up, then I'm in. I generally don't buy a gun until it's been out on the market for at least 5 years. It's 60 years old and R&D is the name of the game with H&K. Travis The VP9 is like 2 years old, and while R&D may be the name of the game with H&K, ready for prime time certainly isn't. Look at the G36 rifle that's been in service for 20 years that they're having all sorts of problems with. Look at the delays with the USP that wasn't ready for prime time. The first iteration of MP-5's just plain didn't work. The HK-21 which had nothing but heat related issues. What H&K knows how to do is marketing. As for making world class firearms...well sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't. But they're no where near as good as their marketing would have you believe (but then again, who is?).
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vbshootinrange,
The P226 missed becoming the M9 on the basis of cost per unit. Because the M9 Beretta is so physically large the SIG P228 M11 is substituted where a smaller pistol is needed.
If the military dumps the M9 Beretta the M11 SIG is the logical replacement. Unless a whole new competition is initiated Most don't know, but the M11 had just as many problems as the M9. But it didn't get the press because it wasn't the main service pistol. Both the Beretta M9 and Sig M11's and 226's are straight up damn reliable pistols these days.
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The VP9 is like 2 years old, and while R&D may be the name of the game with H&K, ready for prime time certainly isn't. Look at the G36 rifle that's been in service for 20 years that they're having all sorts of problems with. Look at the delays with the USP that wasn't ready for prime time. The first iteration of MP-5's just plain didn't work. The HK-21 which had nothing but heat related issues.
What H&K knows how to do is marketing. As for making world class firearms...well sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't. But they're no where near as good as their marketing would have you believe (but then again, who is?). That was sarcasm. Travis
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I think the best wondernine ever is the SIG P-210.
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vbshootinrange,
The P226 missed becoming the M9 on the basis of cost per unit. Because the M9 Beretta is so physically large the SIG P228 M11 is substituted where a smaller pistol is needed.
If the military dumps the M9 Beretta the M11 SIG is the logical replacement. Unless a whole new competition is initiated Most don't know, but the M11 had just as many problems as the M9. But it didn't get the press because it wasn't the main service pistol. Both the Beretta M9 and Sig M11's and 226's are straight up damn reliable pistols these days. I have a Beretta 96 Centurion and a P220 SAO in 45ACP. Previously owned a 92FS which I gave to my son. But my personal favorite in still the Browning Hi Power
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Glock 19. Perfect balance of firepower, size, barrel length, bulk, ease of use. Gaston Glock got it right, and the fact that it is the most popular 9mm in the us while being by no means the cheapest shows that it is king for a reason
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Wow! Another vote for the M-13... ![[Linked Image]](http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/handguns/100_0082_zps83258a2b.jpg)
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In your opinion what is the best high capacity 9mm pistol? SIG X-5
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If my memory serves, the SIG passed every test that the Beretta did, in the military selection testing, but the Beretta got the nod because it is a NATO gun and the Sig isn't.
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If my memory serves, the SIG passed every test that the Beretta did, in the military selection testing, but the Beretta got the nod because it is a NATO gun and the Sig isn't. Actually, Beretta got the nod because they lied about the cost per unit and delivery guarantees and had bought enough Congressional representation to make sure that the deal went through.
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If my memory serves, the SIG passed every test that the Beretta did, in the military selection testing, but the Beretta got the nod because it is a NATO gun and the Sig isn't. Actually, Beretta got the nod because they lied about the cost per unit and delivery guarantees and had bought enough Congressional representation to make sure that the deal went through. Both SIG and Beretta passed the testing and qualified as bidders to be the new M9. There were two bids. The first was for weapons only, and SIG underbid Beretta. In the second bid the weapons and all the extra and misc parts needed were included. Beretta underbid SIG and was declared the winner. It's alledged that Beretta was tipped off about SIGs second bid price due to the Reagan Administration rewarding Italy for accepting Ground Launched Cruise Missiles being based there. Appeals by SIG and pistol manufactorers who didn't even qualify started immediately. As did lawsuits and investigations. None of which came to anything. No one ever proved any favortism happened or that GLCM politics were involved in awarding the contract to Beretta. Personallly I don't think the military is ill served by the Beretta. And I suspect that had the SIG got the contract that there still would have been complaints and issues of unfairness and bias ad nauseum... And when the miltary needed a pistol smaller than the M9, the SIG P228 was selected as the M11. It's been issued to plainclothes military law enforcement and Naval aviators.
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I've got a Sig 228 around here somewhere. I haven't carried it in awhile, but it is a sweet shooting pistol. I need to look that one up.
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The best of the breed was the H&K P9s...
Fixed barrel with lower bore axis.
Roller locked breech system.
fast ergonomic cock/decock.
polygon rifled bore...
Mine was the best pistol that I ever carried. I regret the day that I lost it...
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There is a difference between what pistol is the best, and what the military is going to General Issue to minimally trained troops. The amount of pistol training the average service member gets is minimal. As in one day at the Range, once a year
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I must be on ignore, everyone missed this post. The end of the discussion... ...sorry...it isn't plastic so it doesn't qualify under this topic.....that is why "they" are ignoring you... Bob Not on ignore. It's just that finding one at a good price is almost the handgun equivalent of finding the Dead Sea Scrolls.
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None at all, give me a .45 ACP to start. I would carry a 1911 if I carried.
I forgot, your mag carries a lot of rounds to give you a good feeling.
"Wonder nine" what is that? Proven false with troops that had the nine. Special ops carry a 1911.
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None at all, give me a .45 ACP to start. I would carry a 1911 if I carried.
I forgot, your mag carries a lot of rounds to give you a good feeling.
"Wonder nine" what is that? Proven false with troops that had the nine. Special ops carry a 1911. Hells bells...
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It's a POS design.
People rave about the "ergonomics" of the H&K but always fail to mention that mag release. Yes it's serviceable but it is a very poor design.
Put 20 shooters on line and you'll see the problems with it. Even with guys that have a lot of time behind the pistol.
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It's a POS design.
People rave about the "ergonomics" of the H&K but always fail to mention that mag release. Yes it's serviceable but it is a very poor design.
Put 20 shooters on line and you'll see the problems with it. Even with guys that have a lot of time behind the pistol.
Travis I value your opinion but respectfully disagree. Oh no you di-int Oh yes he did Chriss ![[Linked Image]](http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/elkhunter76/Cartoon/dork_zpsozd0flui.jpeg) Burnt any styrofoam on steaks lately, dropped your carry gun in PUBLICK!, chewed Mom out for using your good knives on "your" marble counter tops to cut her pills....need I go on? Shpwer guns, bug eyeballs in the grass, negroes in pickups. numchuck skills?
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None at all, give me a .45 ACP to start. I would carry a 1911 if I carried.
I forgot, your mag carries a lot of rounds to give you a good feeling.
"Wonder nine" what is that? Proven false with troops that had the nine. Special ops carry a 1911. Actually, i believe MARSOC IS THE ONLY "special ops" unit carrying 1911s All the rest carry 9mms of some flavor as standard issue
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None at all, give me a .45 ACP to start. I would carry a 1911 if I carried.
I forgot, your mag carries a lot of rounds to give you a good feeling.
"Wonder nine" what is that? Proven false with troops that had the nine. Special ops carry a 1911. Wrong, and wrong. The SIG has a very good service record, as does the Glock, both of which are carried by SpecOps units. MARSOC is the only one authorized to carry 1911s and even they lobbied (successfully) to be authorized to carry the Glock or the SIG. The 9x19 as a military round has a damned good service record, whether with the GP35 (BHP), the CZ75, the SIG, or even the Beretta M9, and now the Glock. It works.
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To me since you used the word best than the SIG 210 would be the gun you are looking for.
A Glock is a good gun for the money but hardly the best.
The P7 is a excellent weapon, however often downed by people who have limited or no experience with one. My daughter went through Gunsite with a P7/M8. She burned nearly 500 rounds. She had 6 magazines and I don't remember her having any issues with mag changes or a overly hot gun.
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None at all, give me a .45 ACP to start. I would carry a 1911 if I carried.
I forgot, your mag carries a lot of rounds to give you a good feeling.
"Wonder nine" what is that? Proven false with troops that had the nine. Special ops carry a 1911. Nope. 1st SFOD-D (Delta) issues Glock 22s. 1911A1 accurized pistols haven't been used for awhile. SEALs issue a SIG 226. Marine Spec Ops are authorized to carry Glocks as well as the new Colt M45s. "Lots of rounds" is a good thing...in combat or stateside. I carried a Beretta 92 for over twenty years on the LAPD. I had 61 rounds on me when I worked uniform...46 rounds in plainclothes. I liked that "good feeling" that lots of rounds give. Nothing wrong with a Beretta, except it's kinda hard to conceal sometimes in LA on a warm summer day. Bob ![[Linked Image]](http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii27/RobertOIF2/12_zps49820659.jpg)
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To me since you used the word best than the SIG 210 would be the gun you are looking for.
A Glock is a good gun for the money but hardly the best.
The P7 is a excellent weapon, however often downed by people who have limited or no experience with one. My daughter went through Gunsite with a P7/M8. She burned nearly 500 rounds. She had 6 magazines and I don't remember her having any issues with mag changes or a overly hot gun. As Mark pointed out, "Wonder Nine" refers to a 9mm with specific characteristics, prominent among which is a double staggered magazine, which the P210 doesn't have.
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On what evidence do you base your comment that the Glock is hardly the best?
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Experience... my department which purchased several hundred when they replaced existing sidearms to our officers. The model 22 for uniform and 23 for non. I have carried the 23 for several years and have seen enough (22's) turned into the armory for repairs to know the are not the "Best"
The main reason police agencies go to the Glock is cost. Administrators make the choice due to budget constraints not feedback from line officers who actually carry it.
On what evidence to you base they are the "Best"
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Experience... my department which purchased several hundred when they replaced existing sidearms to our officers. The model 22 for uniform and 23 for non. I have carried the 23 for several years and have seen enough (22's) turned into the armory for repairs to know the are not the "Best"
The main reason police agencies go to the Glock is cost. Administrators make the choice due to budget constraints not feedback from line officers who actually carry it.
On what evidence to you base they are the "Best" Those aren't 9mm's. Travis
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None at all, give me a .45 ACP to start. I would carry a 1911 if I carried.
I forgot, your mag carries a lot of rounds to give you a good feeling.
"Wonder nine" what is that? Proven false with troops that had the nine. Special ops carry a 1911. Wrong, and wrong. The SIG has a very good service record, as does the Glock, both of which are carried by SpecOps units. MARSOC is the only one authorized to carry 1911s and even they lobbied (successfully) to be authorized to carry the Glock or the SIG The 9x19 as a military round has a damned good service record, whether with the GP35 (BHP), the CZ75, the SIG, or even the Beretta M9, and now the Glock. It works. Since Special Operations troops use unique equipment, do things that Big Army et al doesn't do, and has its own independent purchasing authority, let's leave them out of this. What they use isn't pertinent here
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Experience... my department which purchased several hundred when they replaced existing sidearms to our officers. The model 22 for uniform and 23 for non. I have carried the 23 for several years and have seen enough (22's) turned into the armory for repairs to know the are not the "Best"
The main reason police agencies go to the Glock is cost. Administrators make the choice due to budget constraints not feedback from line officers who actually carry it.
On what evidence to you base they are the "Best" Those aren't 9mm's. Travis Glocks didn't start having "issues" per se, until they were chambered for the 40 S&W. He is right about agencies switching to Glock because of cost. God help us if the bean counters ever find out about Hi Points.
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But Glocks truly are good pistols which is something a lot of people leave out. Good product + lower cost = buy 'em.
Underselling your competition certainly helps popularity, but that's not painting the whole picture. They're still an excellent pistol.
As far as asking guys in the field... See all the opinions on this thread? You get the same fugging schit when you ask a group of cops.
Give your test group the top five and let them narrow it down. 'Bout the best you can do when outfitting a large numbers of dickbeaters.
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Yes I know the 22 & 23 are not 9's, but they are built on the same frame just a different caliber.
If you read my original post then you would know I stated Glocks are good pistols just not the best.
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Yes I know the 22 & 23 are not 9's, but they are built on the same frame just a different caliber.
If you read my original post then you would know I stated Glocks are good pistols just not the best. You're missing the point. The glocks were built for 9mms Show me a 17 that has broken
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Show me a 17 that has broken[/quote]
Seriously? Simply google broken Glock 17 and prepare to be amazed. You fan boys kill me.
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I must be on ignore, everyone missed this post. The end of the discussion... Love them also. I own a PSP and an M8. But I'm not sure 8 or 13 qualifies as a high-capacity.
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H&K will have to do away with that ridiculous fugging mag release, as well as get a few more years under their belt before they can go on my list.
Seriously, that mag release is a POS. Classic example of German over-thinking.
Travis Man, the butt-hurt towards HK is strong with you. I happen to love the mag release on my USPs. I can drop and switch quick without readjusting the gun in my hand or moving off target very far at all as compared to standard mag-release configurations.
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Show me a 17 that has broken
Seriously? Simply google broken Glock 17 and prepare to be amazed. You fan boys kill me. [/quote] Actually if i'm a fanboy of anything it's Sig That said all things considered Glocks are tough to beat
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But Glocks truly are good pistols which is something a lot of people leave out. Good product + lower cost = buy 'em.
Underselling your competition certainly helps popularity, but that's not painting the whole picture. They're still an excellent pistol.
As far as asking guys in the field... See all the opinions on this thread? You get the same fugging schit when you ask a group of cops.
Give your test group the top five and let them narrow it down. 'Bout the best you can do when outfitting a large numbers of dickbeaters.
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AMEN from the corner! having been in the middle of a couple of those goat fooks, I'd just a soon be a part of one of those agencies that has a list of 3 or so duty pistols and let it go at that. You can't make everyone happy. Anyway, the deal with the Glock is, you get more for the dollar you spend than you do with some others. (read, H&K, for instance)
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But Glocks truly are good pistols which is something a lot of people leave out. Good product + lower cost = buy 'em.
Underselling your competition certainly helps popularity, but that's not painting the whole picture. They're still an excellent pistol.
As far as asking guys in the field... See all the opinions on this thread? You get the same fugging schit when you ask a group of cops.
Give your test group the top five and let them narrow it down. 'Bout the best you can do when outfitting a large numbers of dickbeaters.
Travis
AMEN from the corner! having been in the middle of a couple of those goat fooks, I'd just a soon be a part of one of those agencies that has a list of 3 or so duty pistols and let it go at that. You can't make everyone happy. Anyway, the deal with the Glock is, you get more for the dollar you spend than you do with some others. (read, H&K, for instance) Yep, and to me "best" is not a total supremacy of a single aspect but a total of an aggregate of many aspects
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I can drop and switch quick without readjusting the gun in my hand or moving off target very far at all
So can I. Travis
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Anyway, the deal with the Glock is, you get more for the dollar you spend than you do with some others. (read, H&K, for instance)
Yep. Travis
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Yes I know the 22 & 23 are not 9's, but they are built on the same frame just a different caliber.
Thanks. Travis
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I am familiar with both style mag releases.
I have some nice leather for a P7 if you are interested.
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I am. What do you have?
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Glock's are damn good pistols, anyone who says otherwise is either 25 years behind the times or just a hater.
The Glock-a-holics ascribe deity to the damn thing; they really need to grow up. It's just simply a very good pistol at a very reasonable price. There are a lot of very good pistols out there, so we can all choose what's right for us.
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None at all, give me a .45 ACP to start. I would carry a 1911 if I carried.
I forgot, your mag carries a lot of rounds to give you a good feeling.
"Wonder nine" what is that? Proven false with troops that had the nine. Special ops carry a 1911. Nope. 1st SFOD-D (Delta) issues Glock 22s. 1911A1 accurized pistols haven't been used for awhile. SEALs issue a SIG 226. Marine Spec Ops are authorized to carry Glocks as well as the new Colt M45s. "Lots of rounds" is a good thing...in combat or stateside. I carried a Beretta 92 for over twenty years on the LAPD. I had 61 rounds on me when I worked uniform...46 rounds in plainclothes. I liked that "good feeling" that lots of rounds give. Nothing wrong with a Beretta, except it's kinda hard to conceal sometimes in LA on a warm summer day. Bob Bob, thanks for bringing some clarity to the why on an M9/92 platform. Mine aren't any part of a concealed carry strategy. With 18 and 20 rd magazines available that fit into the mag well just like a 15, I find it hard not to like them. I have NEVER had a FTF, FTL, FTE with either of my M9's. They are an integral part of my self-defense package.
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I can send you a pic this evening. Travis
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I can send you a pic this evening. Travis I can send you a picture of some cheap powder right now... ![[Linked Image]](http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/bridgershooters/Mobile%20Uploads/image_13.jpg)
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I see it's all boxed up and ready for the gun show.
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I was going to trade it for a holster....
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That could hurt my profit margin.
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I can send you a pic this evening. Travis Will be looking for it. Thanks.
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Cash here.
With cash, anything is possible.
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Glock's are damn good pistols, anyone who says otherwise is either 25 years behind the times or just a hater.
Just a hater here. Wouldn't own one if it was given to me. In the long run S&W is the 800 lb gorilla of handguns. Hard to ignore. maybe impossible to beat... True that only one of my faves is a Smith, and it's a revolver. They make more and better guns of any and each type than anyone. Gack, gack, glock... The truth remains...
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This whole thread's a little like arguing over what's your favorite
color……..
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Dat's what dis whole web thingy is aboot!!!
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I must be on ignore, everyone missed this post. The end of the discussion... Love them also. I own a PSP and an M8. But I'm not sure 8 or 13 qualifies as a high-capacity. H&K Junk
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I must be on ignore, everyone missed this post. The end of the discussion... Love them also. I own a PSP and an M8. But I'm not sure 8 or 13 qualifies as a high-capacity. H&K Junk Far, far from junk. Admittedly, not everyone's "cup of tea". But that is a shooter for sure. Although I am an HK fan myself. They match my natural point of aim better and I personally like the crappy ergonomics of the mag release as I don't have the world's largest hands, I would have to vote for the G17 as the best all-around 9mm. Point, press and bang, every time. Nothing to remember. Same every time. Reliable as hell. Just doesn't fit me. But, with that said, I own 4 Glocks, a 17, 2 19s and a 23. My wife's gun is a 19. Will always buy one when I see it for the right price. Can't have too many solid guns.
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I must be on ignore, everyone missed this post. The end of the discussion... Love them also. I own a PSP and an M8. But I'm not sure 8 or 13 qualifies as a high-capacity. H&K Junk Junk? Give me all of that junk you can find.
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I've got an P7M8 that I really love, but it is definitely NOT a "wonder nine." I also had a P7M10 (the .40 version). They are suberbly crafted pieces of german engineering that hold a lot of appeal to many (including myself) much like a fine swiss watch. And much like swiss watches that had the hurt put on them by the digital watch that could do the same thing cheaper, more reliable and more accurate, the new generation of polymer handguns does just that.
They are totally different guns. I love my P7M8, but if I knew I was going into a gunfight, I would never take it (or the 13 round version) over a glock.
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I've got an P7M8 that I really love, but it is definitely NOT a "wonder nine." I also had a P7M10 (the .40 version). They are suberbly crafted pieces of german engineering that hold a lot of appeal to many (including myself) much like a fine swiss watch. And much like swiss watches that had the hurt put on them by the digital watch that could do the same thing cheaper, more reliable and more accurate, the new generation of polymer handguns does just that.
They are totally different guns. I love my P7M8, but if I knew I was going into a gunfight, I would never take it (or the 13 round version) over a glock. You ever want to shed the M8, let me know. I have one that's lnib, that I don't want to carry, so I'm looking for another.
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I have a sentimental attachment to a Beretta 92 after carrying one as a cop and Soldier, but this is my favorite now...always liked a BHP. Now that I'm retired I can carry and shoot whatever I want. I think the great lesson I've learned is that any service-type pistol, if it's reliable, will do. But it's fun to argue. Bob ![[Linked Image]](http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii27/RobertOIF2/DSC_2050_zps9a3fe486.jpg)
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I have a sentimental attachment to a Beretta 92 after carrying one as a cop and Soldier, but this is my favorite now...always liked a BHP. Now that I'm retired I can carry and shoot whatever I want. I think the great lesson I've learned is that any service-type pistol, if it's reliable, will do. But it's fun to argue.
Bob Sssshhh!!! You'll let out the secret and destroy internet websites all over the world! It's always been the Indian and not the arrow, but as you note, folks love to get emotionally attached to their arrows... 
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Sssshhh!!! You'll let out the secret and destroy internet websites all over the world! It's always been the Indian and not the arrow, but as you note, folks love to get emotionally attached to their arrows... Beware the Indian with the best arrow.
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I've got an P7M8 that I really love, but it is definitely NOT a "wonder nine." I also had a P7M10 (the .40 version). They are suberbly crafted pieces of german engineering that hold a lot of appeal to many (including myself) much like a fine swiss watch. And much like swiss watches that had the hurt put on them by the digital watch that could do the same thing cheaper, more reliable and more accurate, the new generation of polymer handguns does just that.
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I have a sentimental attachment to a Beretta 92 after carrying one as a cop and Soldier, but this is my favorite now...always liked a BHP. Now that I'm retired I can carry and shoot whatever I want. I think the great lesson I've learned is that any service-type pistol, if it's reliable, will do. But it's fun to argue. Bob I've also carried Beretta M-9 as an issue weapon. I think the Army made a good choice. But like you I have a preference for the BHP. With a little gunsmithing it fits and shoots so well for me! Superb ergonomics
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Another BHP favorite... Bob ![[Linked Image]](http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii27/RobertOIF2/BHP_zps26723674.jpg)
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I am a little surprised that the BHP does not get at least as much consideration as the 1911, as far as serious fighting pistols.
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Because that's like comparing the M1 Carbine to the M1 Garand.
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I am a little surprised that the BHP does not get at least as much consideration as the 1911, as far as serious fighting pistols. Military warfare isn't about fighting with pistols. The M1 Carbine was an excellent substitute for any pistol. Be it chambered for .45ACP or 9mm Luger. Most pistol ammo was fired from a submachine gun, not a pistol. In which any advantage the 45 would have over the 9 is a moot point. Above all the wounded don't care whether they were shot with a 9mm or a 45. And neither would a combat Medic trying to keep a wounded soldier alive.
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Because that's like comparing the M1 Carbine to the M1 Garand.
More along the lines of the Garand to the M14 (same design lineage; increased capacity vs lighter slightly less powerful in military form round, both seriously battle proven, etc.).
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If one likes the p35, one has to look at it's son, the cz line of pistola's. Same lockup as the highpower, with double/single action, decockers on some, and larger mag capacity. I have always liked hipowers, but these cz's are getting really fascinating to me. Oh, and no mag safety. He was sure looking at some older guns when these were designed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_75
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The nicest, most reliable, and best shooting nine I ever owned was a Walther P88. It rusted every single day.
Best is subjective, but if you're gonna actually use it...Glock all the way.
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I bought a G19 a little while ago to see what all the fuss was about, and I'd have to say people are right.
It's ugly.
It's simple.
It shoots great.
I'm going to have to start laying in 9mm ammo while it's cheep, and the government isn't taking it away to the FEMA camps.
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…. It rusted every single day... "I trusted" or "It rusted"??????? :-)
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RUSTED. Going in and out of air conditioning and living in humid climate, it rusted every day. No way I would carry that.
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Don't know about best. But I've had an XD-9 since 2005 (between Katrina and Rita). I like it a lot. Have often considered tripping it and getting a HP, 92 or 75 for sometime now. I've put about 1.5k rounds through it and it has NOT had a single firing, extracting or feeding issue in the last 10 years. Only issue I've discovered a year or two ago (playing those run and gun games), is when it's cold outside and the handgun is cold too, the polymer shrinks a little bit and the magazine doesn't free-fall from the gun. It needs to be yanked out.
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Sssshhh!!! You'll let out the secret and destroy internet websites all over the world! It's always been the Indian and not the arrow, but as you note, folks love to get emotionally attached to their arrows... Beware the Indian with the best arrow. I've shot in many matches where Indians have brought far superior arrows to a match and wonder why they didn't win. It happens. There was a time when I thought I needed the best arrow, some learn others look for new arrows 
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I have a sentimental attachment to a Beretta 92 after carrying one as a cop and Soldier, but this is my favorite now...always liked a BHP. Now that I'm retired I can carry and shoot whatever I want. I think the great lesson I've learned is that any service-type pistol, if it's reliable, will do. But it's fun to argue. Bob Like that Browning, Bob.. even more with that wrong-handed safety installed. Very clean. Thanks for the pic.
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I have no idea how "Best" would be defined nor determined……Glocks are obviously the 800 lb. Gorilla in the marketplace……..I won this FNS at Hornady's Zombie shoot a few weeks ago: ![[Linked Image]](http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/gmoats/IMG_0775_zpshz5ugkn2.jpg) ….has the slide length of the G-19 and the grip of the G-17 with 17 round mags. Comes with 3 mags and has a much nicer trigger than any stock Glock and fits almost perfectly in a S&W M&P holster that I had…..so far I like it…..am taking it to a John Farnam class next week and will see how it handles concentrated shooting.
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