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Some guy who has the audacity to trash the revered and storied Heckler & Koch P7, 9MM Pistole . . .
Is the same guy who thinks the sun rises and sets on a polymer framed, Ruger LCR, 22 LR Revolver ? I've owned, shot, and carried both. I found the DAO, snub-nosed revolver concept to be worthwhile. I did not find the cuckoo-clock on the strong side of my belt concept worthwhile. They are cool and are a good investment. That's where their worth ends for me. Travis Speaking of Coo-Coo clock you also had a PSP. Don't blame a mag release on an earlier model. You have seen a P-7 in the hands of a talented shooter and it was nothing less than spectacular...
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I am familiar with both style mag releases.
I have some nice leather for a P7 if you are interested.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Some guy who has the audacity to trash the revered and storied Heckler & Koch P7, 9MM Pistole . . .
Is the same guy who thinks the sun rises and sets on a polymer framed, Ruger LCR, 22 LR Revolver ? I've owned, shot, and carried both. I found the DAO, snub-nosed revolver concept to be worthwhile. I did not find the cuckoo-clock on the strong side of my belt concept worthwhile. They are cool and are a good investment. That's where their worth ends for me. Travis O.K. You just finish a turd sandwich, what do you prefer, a toothbrush or your snub nose .38. A toothbrush over a snub nose revolver didn't say much for your revolver...
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I don't know what any of that means.
But I know H&K is a long ways from making the best 9mm pistol.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I am familiar with both style mag releases.
I have some nice leather for a P7 if you are interested.
Travis
Trade you for some powder...
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This is turning into a gouge-a-thon.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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If no issues pop up, then I'm in. I generally don't buy a gun until it's been out on the market for at least 5 years. It's 60 years old and R&D is the name of the game with H&K. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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If no issues pop up, then I'm in. I generally don't buy a gun until it's been out on the market for at least 5 years. It's 60 years old and R&D is the name of the game with H&K P-7 Travis Thanks gouger II
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See you tomorrow Gouger I.
Don't forget to collect $5.00 from each person that wants to sit in the wall tent. That includes my son.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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The HK went out of favor years ago. It shot pretty good, but not nearly as popular as a Glock! "Popular" isn't the same thing as "best". If the Glocks hadn't been cheap, the cops would never have looked at them. Glock sold them under cost to get their feet in the door. They are a good gun, surely, but "best" is very subjective, at the least. My vote goes to the hoary old Browning Hi-Power, or one of the CZ-75 variants. I just like them better (see, subjective opinion!). Agreed. (I don't like plastic pistols!)
I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
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MontanaMan you are correct I have not shot a Vp9 but now I feel obligated to do so. My Glocks all have stock triggers that are dry fire polished so I think I am just use to them.
I carried a Sig 226 for 12 years and never liked anything about it except the reliability. That rates it a B+. You can get good w/ anything w/ piles of free ammo.
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Sig P226 Navy.
I've been told by retired military guys that used them, that the Sig is the AK47 of 9mm handguns.
Tough and very dependable.
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vbshootinrange,
The P226 missed becoming the M9 on the basis of cost per unit. Because the M9 Beretta is so physically large the SIG P228 M11 is substituted where a smaller pistol is needed.
If the military dumps the M9 Beretta the M11 SIG is the logical replacement. Unless a whole new competition is initiated
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Sig P226 Navy.
I've been told by retired military guys that used them, that the Sig is the AK47 of 9mm handguns.
Tough and very dependable.
Virgil B. Impossible. The Sig is accurate.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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If I wanted to get it down to one 9mm it would probably be an S&W M&P, even with as much as I like my SR9.
NRA LIFE MEMBER GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS ESPECIALLY THE SNIPERS! "Suppose you were an idiot And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself." -Mark Twain
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If no issues pop up, then I'm in. I generally don't buy a gun until it's been out on the market for at least 5 years. It's 60 years old and R&D is the name of the game with H&K. Travis The VP9 is like 2 years old, and while R&D may be the name of the game with H&K, ready for prime time certainly isn't. Look at the G36 rifle that's been in service for 20 years that they're having all sorts of problems with. Look at the delays with the USP that wasn't ready for prime time. The first iteration of MP-5's just plain didn't work. The HK-21 which had nothing but heat related issues. What H&K knows how to do is marketing. As for making world class firearms...well sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't. But they're no where near as good as their marketing would have you believe (but then again, who is?).
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vbshootinrange,
The P226 missed becoming the M9 on the basis of cost per unit. Because the M9 Beretta is so physically large the SIG P228 M11 is substituted where a smaller pistol is needed.
If the military dumps the M9 Beretta the M11 SIG is the logical replacement. Unless a whole new competition is initiated Most don't know, but the M11 had just as many problems as the M9. But it didn't get the press because it wasn't the main service pistol. Both the Beretta M9 and Sig M11's and 226's are straight up damn reliable pistols these days.
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The VP9 is like 2 years old, and while R&D may be the name of the game with H&K, ready for prime time certainly isn't. Look at the G36 rifle that's been in service for 20 years that they're having all sorts of problems with. Look at the delays with the USP that wasn't ready for prime time. The first iteration of MP-5's just plain didn't work. The HK-21 which had nothing but heat related issues.
What H&K knows how to do is marketing. As for making world class firearms...well sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't. But they're no where near as good as their marketing would have you believe (but then again, who is?). That was sarcasm. Travis
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I think the best wondernine ever is the SIG P-210.
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vbshootinrange,
The P226 missed becoming the M9 on the basis of cost per unit. Because the M9 Beretta is so physically large the SIG P228 M11 is substituted where a smaller pistol is needed.
If the military dumps the M9 Beretta the M11 SIG is the logical replacement. Unless a whole new competition is initiated Most don't know, but the M11 had just as many problems as the M9. But it didn't get the press because it wasn't the main service pistol. Both the Beretta M9 and Sig M11's and 226's are straight up damn reliable pistols these days. I have a Beretta 96 Centurion and a P220 SAO in 45ACP. Previously owned a 92FS which I gave to my son. But my personal favorite in still the Browning Hi Power
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