Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Why was the 270-08 never made commercial

it amazes me how the 270 winchester is so popular being a 270 in a 30-06 case but the 280 never really caught fire.
BUT
the 7mm-08 (.284) IS popular but never the 270-08. wierd.
for that matter its only now we are seeing a 338 federal. will they back down below 30 cal and bring us a 257-08? how much different would that be from the 257 bob?

It aint a factory round yet, but my day isn't over......grins

I call it the 08 improved...

Ok OK so I have this lustfull desire to build a 270/08 on a 700 shorty. Put on a tiny Schneider tube, cut it to 21" add a 6x Leo, Talley's a Uncle Mikes mtn and a 110 TSX some R15 and a handfull of tags! And a Ti take off stock.

Mark D

if the .270-08 ever becomes a factory cartridge, it will ONLY be for the rifle companies to sell more rifles ...

I can't, in my right mind, figure out what you could possibly, reasonably (or unreasonably) gain from having two chamberings as close to each other as the .270-08 and the 7mm-08 ...

.277 vs. .284 ...

gimme a 7mm-08 and a handful of tags ... but perhaps I'm too rational in my thinking? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

WGM-you're absolutely unequivically right!

But, I still want to do one some day.

I mean I already have the dies I got for free so I gotta build this good deal rifle right......grins

Mark D

hey ... even if you didn't already have the dies .... if you want it, go get it ... nothing wrong with it at all ... just figger'd that with the 7mm-08 out there, you got a REAL easy solution ...

so ... what would the blueprint of the rifle be?

700 shorty
Jewell
3 posi Gentry
African Walnut handle (most likely a Ti take off as I am too frugile to buy a Edge)
2 weight Schneider
10 twist
21"
Uncle Mikes Mtn sling
R15
Br2's
W-W hulls
110 TSX for tags
115 MK's for targets/lopes/yotes/pd's/chucks/porkies various other volunteers

That should do it. If anyone has any parts to give to the fund the rifle project could be even cheaper.

Mark D

Well the gun companies are in the money making business. Rational thinking, so far as I know, never played in to a gun-loonies thinking. 270-08? Hmmm, what would it do that a 260 or 7-08 couldnt do other than be a .277 .308 based cartridge? How would you market it against those two, PLUS the 270WSM. It offeres NO advantage if its made commercial. It has fabulous advantages as a wildcat I guess. At this point, it wouldn't just be redundant...it would be so impractical that even MOST impractical gun-loonies would be left scratching their domes IMO.

270 Win.....284....280....etc.

exactly my point ...

Well, I've never had much of a desire for anything in .277 caliber, but if I ever were to- it'd be based on the 08 case in a short 700.

Kaiser Norton

Why should they when we have the 270 WSM?

For that fact and for the sake of what you have been saying the past few days. What advantage would one have in doing so when we have the 270 Win?

More to the point, IMO, is the only advantage to a .270-08 vs the 270WSM would be an ever so slight reduction in recoil. The 27-08 would essentially be the 270WSM Lite.

I've always been a SA fan, but I remember how long it took the 7-08 to take off. The 7-08 filled a niche in the silhouette scene initially but didn't really come into its own until the last ten years or so. Also, in light of fifty years of Saint O'Connor's ministry in OLM, I can't imagine 270 devotee's giving them up for less performance. Truth of the matter is SA's have really only caught on in the last ten or fifteen years and still aren't widely accpeted.

i was asking why the 7mm-08 is so favored while the 7mm-06 (aka 280 remington, aka 7mm express) is a bastard child.
i was making a comparison in that the 270 winchester is very popular but there is no mention of a SA in the 308 case.
why WSM are brought into this i have no idea. if you expect someone to think that a 270 WSM in the same rifle length and weight would "be an ever so slight reduction in recoil" then pass whtever your smoking around.
the 139 grain 7mm-08 has 13.0 #'s of recoil in a 7.5 pound rifle.
the 270 WSM has 18.8 in an 8 pound rifle w/ a 140 gr. bullet.
thats a 45% increase .
45% thats "ever so slight"?
then i'd like an ever so slight decrease in my morgage.

Current bullet technology has made many short action cartridges as capable, or more capable, than a lot of long action chamberings with "standard" bullets ... add in reliable range finding devices, and your choice of ballistic reticles or turrets, and you lose the need for "warp speed" chamberings in the hunting arena ...

I'll gladly tote a lighter, shorter, milder recoiling rifle that kills just as dead as my heavier longer rifles that recoil more ...

Since when was the 280 a bastid child? News to me, legit when it was born in 1958. OConnor thought so highly of it his last custom rilfe made was in this cartirdge.

So what's the big deal about 18.8 lbs of recoil? Most any man can easily handle that recoil.

btw, 18.8 minus 45% is 10.34 It's closer to 30% Who's smokin here?


What does an extra 30% in recoil get you when comparing a
270 WSM to a 270-08 shooting 140 brain bullets?

Just 400 fps more.




You can cut and paste your answer if you like..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Other than the .243 the sub .308 rounds based on the .308 Winchester case are a waste of time IMO. They won't do anything the .243 or the .308 won't do. They do sell more rifles to those who think they serve a purpose I suppose.

I am still waiting for the 270-308 and 257-308. If the 243, 260, 7mm-08 and 358 win are so good, all based off of the 308 case, then why not a 277 or 257. for the 277, it's a bit easier, the 7mm-08 already fills the void. for the 257, it's a bit more complicated. we have the 257 roberts but it's a bit long for some applications and loaded to a lesser pressure then current levels. the 25-308 makes a lot of sense to me.

for the 277, I think folks fall into one of two camps, either they like the 277 or the 7mm. for me, I like the "Born in the USA" 277 (it's a real 7mm anyway - the 7mm is .284, measured from the lands, not the grooves via the european standard).

Anyway, I guess I will keep waiting as I am out of the wildcat business.

ah, what about the 323-08, now that we have the 338-08...

are you tring to start something w/ me?
i said. it was a 45% increase.
13 + 45%=18.85. now take your shoes off and add that up.
he said it was a small amount. a 45% increase is not a small amount.
this is a thread about why there is no 270-08. not about how you are a real man who can handle 30 pounds of recoil in a 7 pound rifle. we know you are super man and we bow to you.