1. If it was truly the genuine COVID-19 vaccine, your friend could not have gotten the virus from it as it contains NO virus of any description.
2. Two injections of the vaccine are needed for immunity. It will take several weeks for immunity to develop just like with the flu vaccine.
Quite a few years ago, I was going to get my flu shot and for some reason couldn't on that day. The next day I became ill with something like the flu. If I had been vaccinated and if I were like many, I would have said I got the flu from the flu shot. You can't get the flu from a flu shot as it has no active virus in it.
Correlation vs causation. Your friend getting sick very well may have been a totally independent event. As mentioned above, the vaccine has no virus in it. She cannot have gotten covid from it. She also cannot have completed her whole series, so would not be protected from the virus and could have picked it up anywhere.
I think your title is click bait nonsense. You're intentionally spreading lies.
That said, I'm sorry your friend is sick and I hope she has a speedy and full recovery.
She likely got it while getting the vaccine, or stopping at Trader Joes that day.....
Of course. One thing that you can rest assured of is that all vaccines are not only NUTRITIOUS, but DELICIOUS. Just ask any doc or nurse and their staff.
I am a mighty smart medical assistant. Wawawawa. I learned smart things in medical asst skool. My head is filled with waaawaaawaaawa. Believe me. I be state certified wawawaaa.
She likely got it while getting the vaccine, or stopping at Trader Joes that day.....
This.
No need to worry hawkeye. If someone is given a lethal dose of wholesome vaccine goodness......
You know that the docs control what goes on those medical records. If something slips through by accident, you've got A. Well trained records personnel who can delete the right lines. B. You are covered by the hospital/institution policy..."standard of care.". As long as insurance covers it and your state license isn't revoked, no worries. C. Vaccines are the one deadly malpractice that carries NO LIABILITY by an act of Congress in the 1980s.
Don't worry..... Nobody can pin malpractice or murder on the medical industry and their employees.........
Well, just give her some of your homemade robitussin
Hard to beat 'tussin...it'll fix you no matter the ailment.
I would guess that there's lots of big pharma druggies on this forum......or you cover for family that are. It's the drug pushers that are making our families and friends sick.
You know that the docs control what goes on those medical records. If something slips through by accident, you've got
A. Well trained records personnel who can delete the right lines. B. You are covered by the hospital/institution policy..."standard of care.". As long as insurance covers it and your state license isn't revoked, no worries. C. Vaccines are the one deadly malpractice that carries NO LIABILITY by an act of Congress in the 1980s.
Don't worry..... Nobody can pin malpractice or murder on the medical industry and their employees.........
But then there's God. I wonder if He cares?
A. You obviously don't know about medical records personnel. If they were caught altering a medical record they would be fired. A malpractice attorney's dream is to learn a medical record had been altered. B. "Standard of care" is not determined by any particular institution. C. Actually vaccines do carry a risk of liability to a doctor. For example, if one had a known allergy to one and was given it anyway by a doctor, said doctor would definitely be open to a medical malpractice suit if harm resulted.
My friend was one of the victims of the con men/ women giving out the first round of Covid shots.
Then she got sick and very weak. She had lower back pain. One more gift that they injected her with...... ...,................ PNEUMONIA!!!
So now she went from a normal healthy 50+some year old to a condition that she might die from if it progresses.
I'm calling bullsheet.
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. ~Thomas Jefferson~"
I'm calling you a stinking hypocrite. You looove tyranny.
There are certain laws of the universe that don't apply or have anything to do with political ideology. I believe your and my political ideologies are much closer than our individual understanding of science.
Well, just give her some of your homemade robitussin
Hard to beat 'tussin...it'll fix you no matter the ailment.
I would guess that there's lots of big pharma druggies on this forum......or you cover for family that are. It's the drug pushers that are making our families and friends sick.
Well, just give her some of your homemade robitussin
Hard to beat 'tussin...it'll fix you no matter the ailment.
I would guess that there's lots of big pharma druggies on this forum......or you cover for family that are. It's the drug pushers that are making our families and friends sick.
My friend was one of the victims of the con men/ women giving out the first round of Covid shots.
Then she got sick and very weak. She had lower back pain. One more gift that they injected her with...... ...,................ PNEUMONIA!!!
So now she went from a normal healthy 50+some year old to a condition that she might die from if it progresses.
I'm calling bullsheet.
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. ~Thomas Jefferson~"
I'm calling you a stinking hypocrite. You looove tyranny.
Don't let the jerks get to you, Haps...I know you will stay the course.
No problems here. I'm not the one getting the shots. I just thought that someone on our forum would want to know what was reported to me in a call earlier. My friend is very PRO vaccine in spite of me giving her good reasons to reconsider. She brought it to my attention for prayer about the pneumonia issue in particular.
I shouldn't be surprised to see that there's a big push for medical tyranny and covering up the obvious here.
She likely got it while getting the vaccine, or stopping at Trader Joes that day.....
Of course. One thing that you can rest assured of is that all vaccines are not only NUTRITIOUS, but DELICIOUS. Just ask any doc or nurse and their staff.
I got a video chat call from my wife's sisters. It was just the motivation I needed to uninstall Facebook and Messenger. I can't thank them so if anyone who knows them could, please do. Wonder if they knew I declined the call?
Medical staff that refuse the covid shot are still willing to inject others, coz of their ethics?.. 🤔
Um, if people are informed of how it was fast tracked and approved (and we do that) then, yeah. Some people do the risk-reward calculations and come to a different conclusion than me.
Hell, we do CPR on lots of people who, IMO, should be DNR. Their wishes matter, not my opinion.
All the people getting it right now where I'm at WANT it.
(that said, while I've talked a few co workers out of getting it, I get trained but have not given the vaccine)
Um, if people are informed of how it was fast tracked and approved (and we do that) then, yeah. Some people do the risk-reward calculations and come to a different conclusion than me...... ...All the people getting it right now where I'm at WANT it.
Do you know of any medical staff that feel so strongly about the Vax. that they refuse to administer such?
WTF you want them to do, refuse to administer it? .
Its not about what I want... It's about how convinced some medical staff are about the negatives of the Vax... If they are truelly that worried about it, how could anyone with genuine ethics administer such to others?
obviously careers and paypackets are of greater concern.
But I gather medical staff that are vehemently against abortion still work in abortion clinics?
WTF you want them to do, refuse to administer it? .
Its not about what I want... It's about how convinced some medical staff are about the negatives of the Vax... If they are truelly that worried about it, how could anyone with genuine ethics administer such to others?
obviously careers and paypackets are of greater concern.
No, if I'm qualified to administer the vaccine and you (of sound mind) want it who am I to say no.
Jesus you're one thick individual.
You come here to argue just for the sake of arguing. It is truly pathetic.
Okay, I gotta ask, how does one get conned on a COVID shot? Do you get it at the fake Walgreens? What am I missing?
Jake,
She knows where I stand on the issue as much as anyone here. I asked her why she got it and she just said, "To each their own.". Then she went onto tell me that the nurse pretty much forced her to. I'm guessing it was at a check up.
I can't speak for her, but VA hospitals and clinics are known for separating family members that might not agree with the hard pressure insistence of making the vets get shots. If they don't get shot by the enemy over seas, they will likely get shot by the enemies in VA scrubs.
Why would they want the vaccine to give people the virus? Sounds like you think they are doing it to kill people. The virus barely kills anyone, so that would be a pretty weak attempt, no? Lets say for a minute that they have actually created this vaccine to kill, sterilize or otherwise harm people. Surely they would be smart enough to build in a delayed effect of some sort, don't you think? If it starts harming people right away, not many people are going to get vaccinated, kiboshing "the plan".
Now just to be clear I have no intention of getting the vaccine. I'm not against vaccines,I think there is plenty of evidence that many of them have been very effective and beneficial, I just don't feel a need to take a rushed, new tech vaccine for this particular virus. If people want to take it, I have no problem with that either.
Why would they want the vaccine to give people the virus? Sounds like you think they are doing it to kill people. The virus barely kills anyone, so that would be a pretty weak attempt, no? Lets say for a minute that they have actually created this vaccine to kill, sterilize or otherwise harm people. Surely they would be smart enough to build in a delayed effect of some sort, don't you think? If it starts harming people right away, not many people are going to get vaccinated, kiboshing "the plan".
Now just to be clear I have no intention of getting the vaccine. I'm not against vaccines,I think there is plenty of evidence that many of them have been very effective and beneficial, I just don't feel a need to take a rushed, new tech vaccine for this particular virus. If people want to take it, I have no problem with that either.
You make too much sense. Some folks don't want to hear sensible.
Well maybe she likes learning the hard way. Consider her learnt up..
I figure so. Even though she's got fluid on the lungs, on antibiotics, It's her mom that I'm concerned about.
Antibiotics for a virus huh? Interesting...🤔
It's one of those things that is standard procedure for pneumonia. Even though certain antibiotics are only effective at killing certain BACTERIAL infections, it must be too much trouble for the medical machine to run a simple culture and sensitivity test.
Um, if people are informed of how it was fast tracked and approved (and we do that) then, yeah. Some people do the risk-reward calculations and come to a different conclusion than me...... ...All the people getting it right now where I'm at WANT it.
Do you know of any medical staff that feel so strongly about the Vax. that they refuse to administer such?
Star: Not taking it yourself because of concerns about safety do not equate to a ethical need to deny the vaccine which might possibly work to adults who want to try it. We are Libertarians (some of us) and are pro-choice when it comes to a woman's (or man's) medical decisions. Should be left ultimately to the patient to decide. I'm leery of flu shots and shingles shots but if I was giving people shots and they wanted one, well roll up your sleeve or pull down your pants. It's the pro-choice way. Bad as I need cosmetic surgery I'm opting out but I wouldn't mind prepping you for it if that's your choice.
So that's why you call each other "brothers!". You got your little secret club for "men." How about if we share your little secrets on your bever's thread?
Um, if people are informed of how it was fast tracked and approved (and we do that) then, yeah. Some people do the risk-reward calculations and come to a different conclusion than me...... ...All the people getting it right now where I'm at WANT it.
Do you know of any medical staff that feel so strongly about the Vax. that they refuse to administer such?
Star: Not taking it yourself because of concerns about safety do not equate to a ethical need to deny the vaccine which might possibly work to adults who want to try it. We are Libertarians (some of us) and are pro-choice when it comes to a woman's (or man's) medical decisions. Should be left ultimately to the patient to decide. I'm leery of flu shots and shingles shots but if I was giving people shots and they wanted one, well roll up your sleeve or pull down your pants. It's the pro-choice way. Bad as I need cosmetic surgery I'm opting out but I wouldn't mind prepping you for it if that's your choice.
Yeah but HappyCamper is alluding to the vaccine being an almost guaranteed bad thing, beyond any sort of normal risk. If the vaccine had a known 99% risk of adverse side effects, and the patient still wanted it, would it still be administered? Where does a medical practioner draw the line?
Yeah but HappyCamper is alluding to the vaccine being an almost guaranteed bad thing, beyond any sort of normal risk. If the vaccine had a known 99% risk of adverse side effects, and the patient still wanted it, would it still be administered? Where does a medical practioner draw the line?
Well maybe she likes learning the hard way. Consider her learnt up..
I figure so. Even though she's got fluid on the lungs, on antibiotics, It's her mom that I'm concerned about.
Antibiotics for a virus huh? Interesting...🤔
It's one of those things that is standard procedure for pneumonia. Even though certain antibiotics are only effective at killing certain BACTERIAL infections, it must be too much trouble for the medical machine to run a simple culture and sensitivity test.
So you continue to tow a line of misinformation to self gratify your discontent with the vaccine...congratulations? It is simple; the vaccine is not mandatory, your friend chose to get it, and coincidentally or otherwise, has come down with pneumonia. FWIW, the vaccine is not a viral dosage, so there is not a parallel to be drawn there. She got sick, in conjunction with, and not because of the shot.
Star: Not taking it yourself because of concerns about safety do not equate to a ethical need to deny the vaccine which might possibly work to adults who want to try it. We are Libertarians (some of us) and are pro-choice...
Yeah but HappyCamper is alluding to the vaccine being an almost guaranteed bad thing, beyond any sort of normal risk. If the vaccine had a known 99% risk of adverse side effects, and the patient still wanted it, would it still be administered? Where does a medical practioner draw the line?
Medical staff who are refusing the Vax but still administer such are either...
1. Cautious, but Not all that concerned about the Vax hence are OK with other people's choices.... Or 2/ Are extremely concerned like Camper but wont make a defiant stand in the interests of patient wellbeing purely out of their own self preservation.
What would the CF think of someone who was say anti-abortion , but still worked in an abortion clinic? would they simply be called pro choice or accused of being hypocrites complicit in murder?
Star: Not taking it yourself because of concerns about safety do not equate to a ethical need to deny the vaccine which might possibly work to adults who want to try it. We are Libertarians (some of us) and are pro-choice...
Yeah but HappyCamper is alluding to the vaccine being an almost guaranteed bad thing, beyond any sort of normal risk. If the vaccine had a known 99% risk of adverse side effects, and the patient still wanted it, would it still be administered? Where does a medical practioner draw the line?
Medical staff who are refusing the Vax but still admister such are either...
1. Cautious, but Not all that concerned about the Vax hence are OK with other people's choices.... Or 2/ Are extremely concerned like Camper but wont make a defiant stand in the interests of patient wellbeing purely out of their own self preservation.
What would the CF think of someone who was say anti-abortion , but still worked in an abortion clinic? would they simply be called pro choice or accused of being hypocrites complicit in murder?
The difference here is this involved consenting adults who are making the decision for themselves to take this vaccine, and assuming the risks. I would have no issue at all administering the vaccine if the patient was well informed. To be fair, I don't really care if the vaccine does kill a bunch of people. There's plenty more where they came from, seems unlikely we'll run out in the near future. The universe will hardly take notice. Its up to you to do your own research, make your own decisions and take your chances. As long as the government isn't trying to force people to take it, I'm fine with it.
Abortion is legal...and someone who personally would not get one, but still works in an abortion clinic coz they believe in others also having choice, is there any issue with that?
or are CF folks going to question that workers ethics despite being medically qualified to provide such?... (I was told earlier that if someone is qualified who are they to say NO to a prospective willing patient.)
Originally Posted by xxclaro
. To be fair, I don't really care if the vaccine does kill a bunch of people. There's plenty more where they came from, seems unlikely we'll run out in the near future.
Well then what's diff between Vax killing people or abortion targeting them in the womb?
..... To be fair, I don't really care if the vaccine does kill a bunch of people. ...
Hang on, hang on. What if you eventually discovered that the vaccine was killing more people than what it was saving, would you continue administering the vaccine but offer it at a discount rate (ie up front cash only payment)?
Doctors still have obligation to do the right thing - there's the law courts and expert witness testimony by their peers if they get caught out.
Abortion is legal...and someone who personally would not get one, but still works in an abortion clinic coz they believe in others also having choice, is there any issue with that?
or are CF folks going to question that workers ethics despite being medically qualified to provide such?... (I was told earlier that if someone is qualified who are they to say NO to a prospective willing patient.)
Originally Posted by xxclaro
. To be fair, I don't really care if the vaccine does kill a bunch of people. There's plenty more where they came from, seems unlikely we'll run out in the near future.
Well then what's diff between Vax killing people or abortion targeting them in the womb?
The difference is with the vaccine, its being taken by choice by people who have the ability to choose for themselves whether it is worth the risk or not.
..... To be fair, I don't really care if the vaccine does kill a bunch of people. ...
Hang on, hang on. What if you eventually discovered that the vaccine was killing more people than what it was saving, would you continue administering the vaccine but offer it at a discount rate (ie up front cash only payment)?
Doctors still have obligation to do the right thing - there's the law courts and expert witness testimony by their peers if they get caught out.
If the vaccine was killing more people than it was saving, you probably wouldn't have a very long line up looking to get it. But, lets say that this was proven to be the case, and yet there were some people who maintained that despite the risk they wanted to take the vaccine. Would i be ok with them having the right to take it? Absolutely.
The difference is with the vaccine, its being taken by choice by people who have the ability to choose for themselves whether it is worth the risk or not.
Getting the Vax or an abortion are both choices. and as long as a med practioner is qualified to legally deliver such service, what's the problem?
What do you think of those that say Vax should be a choice not denied to people, but Abortion should be outlawed.?
As usual there are those that think others should only have the choices that they personally approve of... and some will even go out of their way to try and take other people's choices away.
But back to my orig point...
Why do med practioners that refuse the Vax for themselves coz they don't trust it, not refuse to administer such to patients they supposedly 'care about' ?
WTF you want them to do, refuse to administer it? .
Its not about what I want... It's about how convinced some medical staff are about the negatives of the Vax... If they are truelly that worried about it, how could anyone with genuine ethics administer such to others?
obviously careers and paypackets are of greater concern.
But I gather medical staff that are vehemently against abortion still work in abortion clinics?
It’s not a healthcare workers job to make patients conform to their will. Just because you’re a nurse doesn’t give you the power to force your beliefs onto the patients. I don’t get the flu shot but that doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t administer it to someone that desires it.
Just because your circumcision was botched doesn’t mean that it should be illegal or that every other young boy will become a eunuch like you.
It’s not a healthcare workers job to make patients conform to their will...
I didnt say anything about getting patients to conform to the personal will of the health worker...but if the worker don't trust the Vax for themselves why do they trust it for the health and wellbeing of their patients?
Now it's funny that you belong to a christian faith that has God botherers all over the globe imposing their will by trying to convert people to their beliefs.
Patients have free will to decide for themselves based upon the information they have just as healthcare workers have the ability to choose for themselves.
Just because a nurse or doctor doesn’t “trust” a vaccine does NOT mean that the vaccine is unsafe.
It could be based on many things. Individual healthcare workers don’t get to play God by making your choices for you. The entire healthcare system would cease to exist if every nurse or doctor could force their personal agenda onto the patient. Patients can refuse care AMA, patients can refuse vaccines AMA. Healthcare workers aren’t allowed to inject you against your will no matter how beneficial they believe the injection is.
Just because a nurse or doctor doesn’t “trust” a vaccine does NOT mean that the vaccine is unsafe.
So what is the mistrust of the Vax by medical practioners based on?
A lack of data.
Which is a LOT different than mistrust based on data. Especially peer reviewed data.
There are legitimate reasons vaccine trials usually last a long time.
IMO, speed > safety was the order of the day with the currently available vaccines. It doesn't mean they're dangerous, but there's really no data demonstrating that they are NOT dangerous. It would take years to reasonably demonstrate CDC standards of safety.
..... To be fair, I don't really care if the vaccine does kill a bunch of people. ...
Hang on, hang on. What if you eventually discovered that the vaccine was killing more people than what it was saving, would you continue administering the vaccine but offer it at a discount rate (ie up front cash only payment)?
Doctors still have obligation to do the right thing - there's the law courts and expert witness testimony by their peers if they get caught out.
If the vaccine was killing more people than it was saving, you probably wouldn't have a very long line up looking to get it. But, lets say that this was proven to be the case, and yet there were some people who maintained that despite the risk they wanted to take the vaccine. Would i be ok with them having the right to take it? Absolutely.
Yeah, I think we are off track and into assisted dying territory. Where it's legal the practicioner still has the right to refuse treatment I believe.
Healthcare workers aren’t allowed to inject you against your will no matter how beneficial they believe the injection is.
I didnt ask about forced Vax injections with a believed to be beneficial vax.. I asked why would a health worker - with the well being of the patient in mind- inject a patient with a Vax they don't trust to take themselves.
And don't bring up the freewill argument when you belong to a hypocritical God bothering faith that has tried its best to stop people having freewill in medical procedures.
Healthcare workers aren’t allowed to inject you against your will no matter how beneficial they believe the injection is.
I didnt ask about forced Vax injections with a believed to be beneficial vax.. I asked why would a health worker - with the well being of the patient in mind- inject a patient with a Vax they don't trust to take themselves.
And don't bring up the freewill argument when you belong to a hypocritical God bothering faith that has tried its best to stop people having freewill in medical procedures.
I answered the question, but it obviously wasn't what you wanted to hear......
The difference is with the vaccine, its being taken by choice by people who have the ability to choose for themselves whether it is worth the risk or not.
Getting the Vax or an abortion are both choices. and as long as a med practioner is qualified to legally deliver such service, what's the problem?
Star: I'm sure you've thought of this but there is a pretty good argument that getting vaccinated and having an abortion is not the same in that there is a person involved that hasn't given consent.
Christians tell me those terminated babies go straight into the arms of Jesus. So what's wrong with skipping a long life on earth for the eternal bliss of heaven... isnt that what those of the faith are ultimately aiming for?
Is there any real Christian that would not trade their current temporal existence on earth for a place in heaven right at this moment.?
Seems they prefer to be here and bitch/whine about all the evil in the world while trying to impose their beliefs and hypocritical standards on others.... worse still they would rather not have those babies in the arms of Jesus, but have them here to suffer this 'terrible' world of trial and tribulation... coz miserable people like company to share their misery with... 😂
Christians tell me those terminated babies go straight into the arms of Jesus. So what's wrong with skipping a long life on earth for the eternal bliss of heaven... isnt that what those of the faith are ultimately aiming for?
Is there any real Christian that would not trade their current temporal existence on earth for a place in heaven right at this moment.?
Seems they prefer to be here and bitch/whine about all the evil in the world while trying to impose their hypocritical standards on others. worse still they would rather not have those babies in the arms of Jesus, but have them here to suffer this 'terrible' world of trial and tribulation... coz miserable people like company to share their misery with... 😂
Star: Putting Christianity and for that matter any religion aside. An atheist can be a very moral person in that he believes in civil and human rights. So again how does administering a vaccine to an informed consenting adult equate to your example wherein you compared administering a possibly dangerous vaccine to administering an abortion.
Well maybe she likes learning the hard way. Consider her learnt up..
I figure so. Even though she's got fluid on the lungs, on antibiotics, It's her mom that I'm concerned about.
Antibiotics for a virus huh? Interesting...🤔
It's one of those things that is standard procedure for pneumonia. Even though certain antibiotics are only effective at killing certain BACTERIAL infections, it must be too much trouble for the medical machine to run a simple culture and sensitivity test.
.. how does administering a vaccine to an informed consenting adult equate to your example wherein you compared administering a possibly dangerous vaccine to administering an abortion.
Would you still work in an abortion clinic doing the procedure if you didn't believe in abortion? And if you didn't trust Vax would you still inject it into patients you had a duty of care to?
Maybe your values depend on how the events of another's life affect you personally, ie; I reasonably gather you being LE feel more for cops that met tragedy than ordinary members of the public? ... And maybe ones pregnant daughter having an abortion Or a questionable Vax would concern you more than a friends daughter having same.
Of course there are also people who would not be willing to do to others that they would not like being done to themselves... be it Vax, abortion or anything else... but those kinds are exceedingly rare it seems.
Originally Posted by Hastings
An atheist can be a very moral person in that he believes in civil and human rights..
There a number of christians here that would disagree... Some think everything good only comes from Jesus.
Christians tell me those terminated babies go straight into the arms of Jesus. So what's wrong with skipping a long life on earth for the eternal bliss of heaven... isnt that what those of the faith are ultimately aiming for?
According to the book your God orchestrated the evil in this world by putting that satan character in charge.... Also put a crafty snake in the garden up against naive humans to ensure mans Fall.
Lucifer didn't even put his hand up for the job on earth,..he was forced into the role at God's will. IF given choice he would have stayed in heaven.
.. how does administering a vaccine to an informed consenting adult equate to your example wherein you compared administering a possibly dangerous vaccine to administering an abortion.
Originally Posted by Hastings
An atheist can be a very moral person in that he believes in civil and human rights..
There a number of christians here that would disagree.
I am not atheist but I know a good many atheists that I would trust with my money or my life. But you haven't come up with a good analogy in comparing the administration of an iffy vaccine to an abortion. I know and more importantly you know what you are up to. And I'll give you credit, you throw the bait and it gets taken. Every time.
. But you haven't come up with a good analogy in comparing the administration of an iffy vaccine to an abortion.
Or you simply don't like what I posted in response coz you might have to admit to something within yourself.
Originally Posted by Hastings
I know and more importantly you know what you are up to. And I'll give you credit, you throw the bait and it gets taken. Every time.
I didnt 'bait' anybody, all I orig. Asked was why would a health worker with the wellbeing of their patients foremost in their mind - administer a Vax they didn't trust to put in the own bodies... ie: an ethics question.
In 30yrs of LE how many people did you try to stitch up with things you created purely in your own vivid imagination?
. But you haven't come up with a good analogy in comparing the administration of an iffy vaccine to an abortion.
Or you simply don't like what I posted in response coz you might have to admit to something within yourself.
Originally Posted by Hastings
I know and more importantly you know what you are up to. And I'll give you credit, you throw the bait and it gets taken. Every time.
I didnt 'bait' anybody, all I orig. Asked was why would a health worker with the wellbeing of their patients foremost in their mind - administer a Vax they didn't trust to put in the own bodies... ie: an ethics question. In 30yrs of LE how many people did you try to stitch up with things you created purely in your own vivid imagination?
Originally Posted by Hastings
Star: Putting Christianity and for that matter any religion aside. An atheist can be a very moral person in that he believes in civil and human rights. So again how does administering a vaccine to an informed consenting adult equate to your example wherein you compared administering a possibly dangerous vaccine to administering an abortion?
You are pretty slippery and hard to pin down with a question. But again, how does giving a vaccine to a consenting adult equate to administering an abortion if the provider of medical procedures believes there is a person's life being ended without that person's consent? It is almost like comparing a mechanic being ordered to put STP in an engine when he believes it is somewhat harmful to being ordered to put a bomb in someone's car. Yes, I'll put the STP in, but FY, I'm not putting a bomb in a car. You are trying to make medical people out to be hypocrites for giving a vaccine to a patient that wants it and may receive benefit from it (or complications) to an abortion denied by that same medical provider on moral grounds. And those moral grounds may have absolutely nothing to do with the belief in a super natural God. The provider could be a complete atheist. The two examples don't jive and you know that. Now will the witness respond directly to the question? Or you can slide away as usual.
No, put the finishing touches on a custom router table today and made a nice profit (+12u) betting with friends.
Of course you did.
Did you ever mention who the salute collecting double ace was? I know people asked, and you're the one who brought it up.......
And I believe I mentioned at the time, that it would not be appropriate, nor did I have license, to post the name of a decorated veteran ESPECIALLY on this train wreck of a forum.
No, put the finishing touches on a custom router table today and made a nice profit (+12u) betting with friends.
Of course you did.
Did you ever mention who the salute collecting double ace was? I know people asked, and you're the one who brought it up.......
And I believe I mentioned at the time, that it would not be appropriate, nor did I have license, to post the name of a decorated veteran ESPECIALLY on this train wreck of a forum.
Yet you made sure to specifically mention he was a double ace. A fact that, well, makes you, well, untruthful, at best, since the last living double ace from the Air Force is 98......
No, put the finishing touches on a custom router table today and made a nice profit (+12u) betting with friends.
Of course you did.
Did you ever mention who the salute collecting double ace was? I know people asked, and you're the one who brought it up.......
And I believe I mentioned at the time, that it would not be appropriate, nor did I have license, to post the name of a decorated veteran ESPECIALLY on this train wreck of a forum.
Yet you made sure to specifically mention he was a double ace. A fact that, well, makes you, well, untruthful, at best, since the last living double ace from the Air Force is 98......
Used to be if you caught someone out in a lie the shame would force them to quietly exit stage right. This guy is pathological.
No, put the finishing touches on a custom router table today and made a nice profit (+12u) betting with friends.
Of course you did.
Did you ever mention who the salute collecting double ace was? I know people asked, and you're the one who brought it up.......
Out golfing again with this ace. Lots of great stories, delicious desert coffee and millions made gambling. ( half the proceeds of course to the George Floyd angel society)
No, put the finishing touches on a custom router table today and made a nice profit (+12u) betting with friends.
Of course you did.
Did you ever mention who the salute collecting double ace was? I know people asked, and you're the one who brought it up.......
And I believe I mentioned at the time, that it would not be appropriate, nor did I have license, to post the name of a decorated veteran ESPECIALLY on this train wreck of a forum.
Yet you made sure to specifically mention he was a double ace. A fact that, well, makes you, well, untruthful, at best, since the last living double ace from the Air Force is 98......
Used to be if you caught someone out in a lie the shame would force them to quietly exit stage right. This guy is pathological.
It is almost like comparing a mechanic being ordered to put STP in an engine when he believes it is somewhat harmful to being ordered to put a bomb in someone's car.
You equate a med practioners personal Fear of a new Vax in their body to putting a long established STP product in an engine,...WTF? Then you equate conducting legal freewill abortion to like a criminal terrorist or assassins bomb.
are you sure LE was your right calling?
So You really think fckng up a human body with Vax is on par with STP in an inanimate soulless engine? 🤔 Yet you have issues with abortion???.. TFF.. 😂
Originally Posted by Hastings
You are trying to make medical people out to be hypocrites for giving a vaccine to a patient that wants it and may receive benefit from it (or complications)...
I simply ask where a doctors ETHICS stand regarding the wellbeing of their patients when they are willing to administer a scary new Vax, that they won't take themselves for fear of side effects / complications.
No, put the finishing touches on a custom router table today and made a nice profit (+12u) betting with friends.
Of course you did.
Did you ever mention who the salute collecting double ace was? I know people asked, and you're the one who brought it up.......
And I believe I mentioned at the time, that it would not be appropriate, nor did I have license, to post the name of a decorated veteran ESPECIALLY on this train wreck of a forum.
Yet you made sure to specifically mention he was a double ace. A fact that, well, makes you, well, untruthful, at best, since the last living double ace from the Air Force is 98......
Used to be if you caught someone out in a lie the shame would force them to quietly exit stage right. This guy is pathological.
the duck caught again
You’re gonna force the Duck to go grab a sock puppet after he cries in the corner.
It is almost like comparing a mechanic being ordered to put STP in an engine when he believes it is somewhat harmful to being ordered to put a bomb in someone's car.
You equate a med practioners personal Fear of a new Vax in their body to putting a long established STP product in an engine,...WTF? Then you equate conducting legal freewill abortion to like a criminal terrorist or assassins bomb.
are you sure LE was your right calling?
So You really think fckng up a human body with Vax is on par with STP in an inanimate soulless engine? 🤔 Yet you have issues with abortion???.. TFF.. 😂
Originally Posted by Hastings
You are trying to make medical people out to be hypocrites for giving a vaccine to a patient that wants it and may receive benefit from it (or complications)...
I simply ask where a doctors ETHICS stand regarding the wellbeing of their patients when they are willing to administer a scary new Vax, that they won't take themselves for fear of side effects / complications.
It happens in every clinical trial. There will always be a set of patients where the risk is justified, even if the treatment is unproven. If my parents were in a nursing home and getting the vaccine was the only way to visit them I’d give the damn thing to myself.
"Kids on the short bus" is the most fitting description of many on this forum that I've heard yet. Can't understand why there are some here who venerate the idiots, pretty simple minded themselves I would think.
It is almost like comparing a mechanic being ordered to put STP in an engine when he believes it is somewhat harmful to being ordered to put a bomb in someone's car.
You equate a med practioners personal Fear of a new Vax in their body to putting a long established STP product in an engine,...WTF? Then you equate conducting legal freewill abortion to like a criminal terrorist or assassins bomb.
are you sure LE was your right calling?
So You really think fckng up a human body with Vax is on par with STP in an inanimate soulless engine? 🤔 Yet you have issues with abortion???.. TFF.. 😂
Originally Posted by Hastings
You are trying to make medical people out to be hypocrites for giving a vaccine to a patient that wants it and may receive benefit from it (or complications)...
I simply ask where a doctors ETHICS stand regarding the wellbeing of their patients when they are willing to administer a scary new Vax, that they won't take themselves for fear of side effects / complications.
Star: It's like this. If I had a convenience store I would sell lottery tickets, alcohol, and tobacco to adults. If I had an oil change business I would pour whatever the adult customer wanted into their car. If I was a medical provider I would give adults whatever approved vaccines they insisted on. If I thought something was a bad idea I would probably voice my opinion (I don't even accept flu vaccination). If I was a medical provider I would decline to provide an abortion. I don't have any idea what the supernatural creator of the universe thinks about any of these things. You are trying to equate two medical practices that aren't comparable and therefore don't show hypocrisy on the part of a nurse or doctor that will provide one and not the other. And you know that.
Dr. DIES after the Pfizer magical elixer is injected into his blood stream......OPPS!.... Uh we have a problem...... His blood won't stop....er.....streaming.
Nothing here to see. Carry on, put your Oxy suppressors back on and get back in line like good subjects, I mean patients.
It's impossible for ANY vaccines to cause harm, and ESPECIALLY the Covid 19. Why? 19 is the lucky number and the doctors know all about luck . Except this unlucky one.
Dr. DIES after the Pfizer magical elixer is injected into his blood stream......OPPS!.... Uh we have a problem...... His blood won't stop....er.....streaming.
Nothing here to see. Carry on, put your Oxy suppressors back on and get back in line like good subjects, I mean patients.
It's impossible for ANY vaccines to cause harm, and ESPECIALLY the Covid 19. Why? 19 is the lucky number and the doctors know all about luck . Except this unlucky one.
You do realize it's supposed to be an IM injection, not go "into the blood stream" right?
And, if you ARE putting something into "the bloodstream," you should probably clarify venous as compared to arterial.......
What fluid transport pathway is taken? The Medical Doctor was bleeding internally, was he not?
I guess because it wasn't by way of a major vein or artery, he did not bleed.
I'm guessing if you post factually inaccurate crap, like you did, that demonstrates a complete lack of basic knowledge, I probably should not listen to you.
Just put your muzzle on and roll up your sleeve. Thank you for your service to our country.
"7 nursing home residents in New Hampshire facility die after vaccine
It is reported that 7 residents died, and several coworkers suffered harm, after getting vaccinated in Dover Riverside Nursing Home in New Hampshire. From my LNA friend who works at Dover Riverside Nursing Home: An update on the vaccine … it was administered Monday afternoon to the residents and last night during my 3-11 shift 4 residents died. That is completely unheard of. We never even have 4 go in one day. …"
41-year-old Pediatric Assistant dies 2 days after COVID vaccine Report:
"Health authorities in Portugal today are described as “on the alert” following the so far unexplained death of a 41-year-old pediatric operational assistant two days after she received her first dose of the Covid vaccine. …
The woman was one of 538 health professionals at Porto’s IPO cancer hospital who received their first jabs of the BioNTech/ Pfizer vaccine last Wednesday.
Just put your muzzle on and roll up your sleeve. Thank you for your service to our country.
"7 nursing home residents in New Hampshire facility die after vaccine
It is reported that 7 residents died, and several coworkers suffered harm, after getting vaccinated in Dover Riverside Nursing Home in New Hampshire. From my LNA friend who works at Dover Riverside Nursing Home: An update on the vaccine … it was administered Monday afternoon to the residents and last night during my 3-11 shift 4 residents died. That is completely unheard of. We never even have 4 go in one day. …"
Source?
I happen to have a number of friends/acquaintances who work in Riverside. This is the first I'm hearing of it. I'll reach out, though.
41-year-old Pediatric Assistant dies 2 days after COVID vaccine Report:
"Health authorities in Portugal today are described as “on the alert” following the so far unexplained death of a 41-year-old pediatric operational assistant two days after she received her first dose of the Covid vaccine. …
The woman was one of 538 health professionals at Porto’s IPO cancer hospital who received their first jabs of the BioNTech/ Pfizer vaccine last Wednesday.
Just because a nurse or doctor doesn’t “trust” a vaccine does NOT mean that the vaccine is unsafe.
So what is the mistrust of the Vax by medical practioners based on?
A lack of data.
Which is a LOT different than mistrust based on data. Especially peer reviewed data.
There are legitimate reasons vaccine trials usually last a long time.
IMO, speed > safety was the order of the day with the currently available vaccines. It doesn't mean they're dangerous, but there's really no data demonstrating that they are NOT dangerous. It would take years to reasonably demonstrate CDC standards of safety.
I understand your point completely, but in reality how many patients ask for the data and study results for any shots they get?
The sources claimed to be employees, but they wished to remain anonymous. I can only guess that it had something to do with remaining employed there.
"Steve MacDonald, “Inside Source Says 7 Died in a Dover, NH Nursing Home After Receiving the Vaccine,” Granite Grok (January 4, 2021). Retrieved January 5, 2021, from https://granitegrok.com/blog/2021/01/inside-source-says-7-died-in-a-dover-nh-nursing-home-after-receiving-the-vaccine"
41-year-old Pediatric Assistant dies 2 days after COVID vaccine Report:
"Health authorities in Portugal today are described as “on the alert” following the so far unexplained death of a 41-year-old pediatric operational assistant two days after she received her first dose of the Covid vaccine. …
The woman was one of 538 health professionals at Porto’s IPO cancer hospital who received their first jabs of the BioNTech/ Pfizer vaccine last Wednesday.
Pre-covid we would have gotten in a lot of trouble bringing in a blower costume. Dude wearing it has covid, and you're surprised there was an outbreak?!?!?!????
You may actually be more FOS and ignorant than Elkslayer......
More details from another source about the physician who died following his covid shot. His platelet count was just a little bit low.
Beginning of article in the link to the Defender:
"‘Perfectly Healthy’ Florida Doctor Dies Weeks After Getting Pfizer COVID Vaccine Miami medical examiner is investigating the death of 56-year-old Dr. Gregory Michael who reportedly died from a rare autoimmune disease 15 days after being vaccinated. Michael’s wife wants her husband’s death to serve as a warning to others.
‘Perfectly Healthy’ Florida Doctor Dies Weeks After Getting Pfizer COVID Vaccine The wife of a Florida doctor who died 15 days after receiving Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine told reporters at USA Today and the Daily Mail that her husband was “perfectly healthy” before he got the vaccine.
Heidi Neckelmann said her husband, 56-year-old Dr. Gregory Michael, “sought emergency care three days after the shot because he had dots on his skin that indicated internal bleeding.”
Michael received the vaccine on Dec. 18 at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami Beach, where he’d worked for 12 years as an OB-GYN. He died on Jan. 3 after suffering a hemorrhagic stroke related to a lack of platelets, a condition called thrombocytopenia, or as the Daily Mail reported, acute idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP).
Neckelmann told the Daily Mail:
“He was in very good health. He didn’t smoke, he drank alcohol once in a while but only socially. He worked out, we had kayaks, he was a deep sea fisherman.
“They tested him for everything you can imagine afterwards, even cancer, and there was absolutely nothing else wrong with him.”
Pfizer, in a statement to USA today, said the vaccine maker was aware of and “actively investigating” the death, but also added “we don’t believe at this time that there is any direct connection to the vaccine.”
Pfizer also told USA Today:
“There is no indication — either from large clinical trials or among people who have received the vaccine since the government authorized its use last month – that it could be connected to thrombocytopenia.”
But Neckelmann told the Daily Mail that in her mind, her husband’s death was “100% linked” to the vaccine." __________________________ Let's all call the wife a liar, put your oxygen restriction muzzles back on and go back to work "first doing no harm..." Or whatever that hypocritic oath says these days.
Sorry your friend may have been exposed up to 20 days prior to being vaccinated. Three to four days is more common. she may have been exposes up to a week later. point is vaccine is a preventive and the vaccine needs in excess of 3 weeks to be fully effective. Blame this on the vaccine if you are that un scientific. My money would be on something more in line with actually being exposed to the virus - Nothing to do w the vaccine directly IMHO.
Sorry your friend may have been exposed up to 20 days prior to being vaccinated. Three to four days is more common. she may have been exposes up to a week later. point is vaccine is a preventive and the vaccine needs in excess of 3 weeks to be fully effective. Blame this on the vaccine if you are that un scientific. My money would be on something more in line with actually being exposed to the virus - Nothing to do w the vaccine directly IMHO.
When I found out that my state went from the bottom of the list to a red alert everybody pannic movie pandemic overnight, I looked into motives. $147,000 plus many other coded motives appeared for each covid patient. I have not been convinced that everything is covid as we are told by pharma fed media. My friend would be considered responding quite favorably to medical treatment IF there was an improvement within the same time frame. However, she had a serious condition following said treatment and there's obviously NO causation .
I know personal friends, family, students and acquaintances who had severe reactions to all sorts of vaccines. I've interviewed physicians, researchers and head administrators. NOBODY wants to raise their hand and admit that what they do that butters their bread could harm someone.
I know personal friends, family, students and acquaintances who had severe reactions to all sorts of vaccines. I've interviewed physicians, researchers and head administrators. NOBODY wants to raise their hand and admit that what they do that butters their bread could harm someone.
Um, YOU think that personal friends, family, students and acquaintances had "severe reactions to all sorts of vaccines."
YOU have also demonstrated an almost complete ignorance of correlation vs causation, and, if possible, even less actual medical/physiological knowledge.
Keep in mind I'm actually someone who's completely against rolling out vaccines without full length trials and has refused the two available mRNA vaccines, yet I see you as a complete wack job.
Hint: reasonable people require evidence to form strong opinions. Maybe post some evidence instead of anecdotes and people will take you, well, maybe not seriously, but they'll laugh at you less. Maybe.
Why would they want the vaccine to give people the virus? Sounds like you think they are doing it to kill people. The virus barely kills anyone, so that would be a pretty weak attempt, no? Lets say for a minute that they have actually created this vaccine to kill, sterilize or otherwise harm people. Surely they would be smart enough to build in a delayed effect of some sort, don't you think? If it starts harming people right away, not many people are going to get vaccinated, kiboshing "the plan".
Now just to be clear I have no intention of getting the vaccine. I'm not against vaccines,I think there is plenty of evidence that many of them have been very effective and beneficial, I just don't feel a need to take a rushed, new tech vaccine for this particular virus. If people want to take it, I have no problem with that either.
Yep, we “pay our money and take our choice.”
I have 4 members of my extended family that will be getting the vaccine next week. They are anxious to get it. All seem willing to suffer the forecast side effects... all believe that the vaccine does not prevent COVID-19 infection, but will reduce the severity of the malady if they do get infected later.
I have two other family members that can be put in the “wait and see” camp.
In the realm of “confusing” .... this second hand story comes from a medium sized city in northern Colorado:
LEO father get vaccinated on Day 1.... feels very poorly on Day 2..... then a couple of days later, his wife and daughter both feel quite ill....COVID-19 symptoms..... they get tested and are positive for COVID-19. So the the father is worried that he somehow infected them as the timing of his shot and their sudden infection is suspicious. He goes for a test and tests negative..... He doesn’t know what to think about the shot, but he has his suspicions.
Backstory: "I’m in bad shape! Everyday getting worse and I’m not getting help or answers! I’m scared to death to say the least! And to find someone willing to attempt to figure this out hasn’t been very successful! I went to 2 hospitals today, walked out of deaconess and went to St Vincent. No answers there either. They say let’s see a neurologist( who knows when they can see me) yesterday my tongue began to spasm and it hasn’t quit. Today my whole body has been convulsing all day! They sent me home!!" - Shawn Skelton
Backstory: "I’m in bad shape! Everyday getting worse and I’m not getting help or answers! I’m scared to death to say the least! And to find someone willing to attempt to figure this out hasn’t been very successful! I went to 2 hospitals today, walked out of deaconess and went to St Vincent. No answers there either. They say let’s see a neurologist( who knows when they can see me) yesterday my tongue began to spasm and it hasn’t quit. Today my whole body has been convulsing all day! They sent me home!!" - Shawn Skelton
WTF you want them to do, refuse to administer it? .
Its not about what I want... It's about how convinced some medical staff are about the negatives of the Vax... If they are truelly that worried about it, how could anyone with genuine ethics administer such to others?
obviously careers and paypackets are of greater concern.
But I gather medical staff that are vehemently against abortion still work in abortion clinics?
What in the actual ph uck.
This dude is really wondering why medical professionals who don’t personally want to take the vaccine are still willing to administer it and comparing it to abortions?
Most people who don’t want to get the vaccine don’t want it because it hasn’t received the proper level of testing to determine long term side effects. They aren’t refusing it because they think it’s bad, they’re refusing it because we don’t know, yet. It could be bad, it could be good. However, since there are patients with clear mind and sound body who are also aware of the implied risk with receiving a vaccine for which long term data has not been gathered, there’s no conflict with giving it to them. These medical professionals aren’t avoiding it because they think it’s terrible and then maliciously administering it to patients; no one knows, so the risk lies with the person asking to get the vaccine, not the person administering it, because even the people administering it don’t know (yet) if it’s good/bad.
But I’m told there’s been a new, groundbreaking study that indicates death as a possible side effect of abortion.
So your comparison is a medical professional who doesn’t want a vaccination because he/she is unsure of any long term effect since this was rushed through the approval process during a pandemic and a person literally killing fetuses. It’s been pointed out, as well, that the person receiving the vaccine is likely old enough to think and speak for himself/herself whereas the other option involves taking the life of an innocent bystander who doesn’t get a say in the matter.
So not administering the vaccine = unknown Administering an abortion (I think) = certain death
I can see how you’d draw this conclusion. Perhaps you were aborted?
This is the only post I’ll make on the topic because you continue to avoid common sense; rather, it seems to have avoided you. Don’t be confused, I’ll definitely revisit and reply to tell you to GFY.
I get it, you’re a troll/douchebag. But for ph uck sake, at least step your game up, some. If you want to play the intellectual card, stop being so [bleep] stupid.
No, put the finishing touches on a custom router table today and made a nice profit (+12u) betting with friends.
Of course you did.
Did you ever mention who the salute collecting double ace was? I know people asked, and you're the one who brought it up.......
And I believe I mentioned at the time, that it would not be appropriate, nor did I have license, to post the name of a decorated veteran ESPECIALLY on this train wreck of a forum.
But you were willing to narrow it down to like 1-2 people out of 7.8 billion by calling him a 2x ace? Also, didn’t someone point out that there are no more living 2x aces? So if he’s just an ace, you narrowed it down to like 20 out of 7.8 billion. Youngest ace has gotta be around 85-90 by now. Called him a brother in law, eh? Got a sister upwards of 100 do ya? Said he’s still keeping a top secret clearance to train drone pilots in the chair force, too, IIRC. Lots of octogenarians out there training drone pilots these days...?
You’re so full of schitt your eyes are brown. That inferiority complex is one day going to outperform your imagination and when it does, I have a feeling you’ll live out the rest of your days sobbing in your mom’s basement because you’re all out of lies.
Now seriously, don’t you have some offs to go phu ck?
My friend was one of the victims of the con men/ women giving out the first round of Covid shots.
Then she got sick and very weak. She had lower back pain. One more gift that they injected her with...... ...,................ PNEUMONIA!!!
So now she went from a normal healthy 50+some year old to a condition that she might die from if it progresses.
Your turn, nippledick.
I kinda wanted to give you a similar treatment as the other two dipschitts but I just don’t have any more phu cks left.
Seriously, keep posting solid scientific work from completely unbiased sources like the anti-vaccine organization Children’s Health Defense and (insert who gives a ph uck adjective here) World Star Hip Hop.
This whole thing about you having friends has got to go, too.
Since you’re so up to speed on vaccines and microbiology and schitt, I’ve got one for you to research. It’s my belief that you’re the product of nondisjunction.
I’ll wait while you fire up the Google machine and GFY.
And I believe I mentioned at the time, that it would not be appropriate, nor did I have license, to post the name of a decorated veteran ESPECIALLY on this train wreck of a forum.
It's amazing to see some that question everything the news media puts out, will embrace with open arms anything pharmaceutical companies put out. " modern medical technology", lmao...don't forget that they " experts " in the medical field once promoted cigarettes as healthy, put cocaine and morphine is over the counter elixirs, not too mention the vast amount of prescription drugs that have since been outlawed, AFTER the real side affects were known... phen-phen, and the list goes on and on...
EXCEPT this time, you have NO LEGAL recourse if you suffer adverse side affects.
Go get the vaccine you idiot sheeples, I'm sure it will all be just fine!!
There isn't a person on this site that knows exactly how Pzifer precluded testing subjects or how they came up with the " 90% " effective claim. Not one.
Our hospital is trying to schedule all the workers to get the vaccine when they have a couple days off. Many are developing a fever right after the injection.
It's amazing to see some that question everything the news media puts out, will embrace with open arms anything pharmaceutical companies put out. " modern medical technology", lmao...don't forget that they " experts " in the medical field once promoted cigarettes as healthy, put cocaine and morphine is over the counter elixirs, not too mention the vast amount of prescription drugs that have since been outlawed, AFTER the real side affects were known... phen-phen, and the list goes on and on...
EXCEPT this time, you have NO LEGAL recourse if you suffer adverse side affects.
Go get the vaccine you idiot sheeples, I'm sure it will all be just fine!!
There isn't a person on this site that knows exactly how Pzifer precluded testing subjects or how they came up with the " 90% " effective claim. Not one.
Correct, but they will have no problem spreading the propaganda and conning others into taking it.
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