https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/17/...sey-dogs-maul-child-death-injure-mother/

It's the owners, not the breed.

It's both.

I’ve never heard of a Labrador Retriever mauling anyone.

Yup! It's both.

It’s sure as hell the breed. Some owners make it worse.

Insurance Institute says labs are number one biters. Basically because there are 40 million of them lol

Saw a utube the other day - pitbull comes running attacking man standing in his yard - man pulls pistol kills pitbull . Neighbor comes running screaming why'd you shoot my dog - why'd you shoot my dog , answer , it was attacking me .
Neighbor I just got that dog for my 70 year old Mother ,, LOL , , yeah ,, guy might well have saved the Mothers life , although the dumbass son will probably go back to the Pound and get another .

Killed a three year old child , mauled mother , owner should go straight to jail and do hard labor for life .

NEVER EVER be caught without AT LEAST a knife on your person - make wives/daughters carry a knife . Seen hordes of dog attacks online and no one ever has a weapon - they're out there with a broom , their hat , sandwich bag looking like a bunch of idiots .

You can always control a gun, but you can't always control a dog.

I've seen a couple pit bulls in our quiet neighborhood, including one owned by a family with a young child, and I'd really like to know if the owners are felons or otherwise prohibited from owning firearms.

It's definitely the breed, if you doubt it ask Roger cuz he didn't abuse the dog that chewed him up.

It may be possible but they have not un-bred the fight from the dog.

Que the pit apologists...

I call BS! Pointers point, retrievers retrieve, flushers flush, herders herd and Pits are breed to fight and kill, and they do! People give too much credit how smart their pets are, they operate solely on instinct. Love then all you want but keep they away from your kids and grand kids. You are living with a time bomb! You don't train a Pit to be aggressive and to fight. just condition them to be stronger than the poor bastard they kill. Gas them all along with the ass hats that fight them!

I didn't read thread...just kill em all.

They're a great breed for dog fighting . Anybody enjoy a good dog fight ?

Yes!

Before we indict the dog, don't you think we should ask the tough questions like was the kid screaming, poking the dog in the eye, pulling its tail or otherwise provoking it?

Good GOD! Doesn't anyone watch Judge Judy???

She would put them all in a room and gas the damn things!

WS

Paul. These open minded men clearly know everything there is to know about dogs. No need for "facts"

Facts are for almost 2 decades of listening to dog attack stories 99% were pit bulls.

That's a fact!


Mike

Stories. From the same media you call fake and we all ignore. Learn anything from that?

Stories from a Courtroom with the victims and defendants present!

The owner of the dog should have full financial responsibility .

100%

Wait! What!? Roger's rescued dog bit him?

WTF! Wish you the best of luck telling that BS story to the Judge and jury in a huge libel law suit. Fork over your home and money before you start. A KID IS DEAD!

Labs may be the #1 biters, but I'll bet pitbulls and pitbull mixes are the #1 killers.

Bullshit...a kid could do all of the above to my dog, 100 times over, and she wouldn't kill them, neither would 99+% of other dogs.

Pitbulls used to be my favorite breed. Past experiences of unprovoked attacks on my dog and others I know have made them probably my least. Say it's the owner all you want, but the owner ultimately isn't the one mauling people and other things to death. Granted, it's a high drive breed that when owned and handled by idiots makes matters worse, but regardless, it's still the one doing the killing.

In 1965 I was ripped into hamburger by a pit bull that wandered into my backyard and attacked my 5 year old little brother.

The solution should be to kill the dogs and hold the owners responsible in criminal court and civil court.

Reminds me of the lady that kept a [bleep] [bleep] (I guess chim-pan-zee is now a bad word?) as a pet. One day he decides to rip her friend's face off, maiming and blinding her. A cop came and shot the damn thing. Owner was crying during an interview saying she loved her [bleep] (and ch-imp too, I guess) so much, she would do it all over again. Yes, total [bleep] idiot nut case, owner. But in the end, it was still a ch-imp being a chi-mp, not the owner, that maimed the woman.

NoThat's a problem. They are broke asses with no insurance most times.They are catch and kill dogs. It is bred into them. Now a bunch of them are mental cases due to inbreeding. Now they are crazy killers in lots of cases and just like humans they can turn crazy unexpectedly.

Just dig a hole on your property to put the dogs in you find in your property. Pit bulls are number 1 shoot on site....

Oh he was such a nice dog,,,,, until he wasn't

Read the stats,..

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2020.php

As has been said it's the breed and some owners make it worse

Top 10 Most Fatal Dog Breeds Table

Breed Deaths % of Total

Pit bull 284 65.6%
Rottweiler 45 10.4%
German shepherd 20 4.6%
Mixed-breed 17 3.9%
American bulldog 15 3.5%
Mastiff/Bullmastiff 14 3.2%
Husky 13 3.0%
Unknown/unreleased 11 2.5%
Labrador retriever 9 2.1%
Boxer 7 1.6%

Pits are like every other Dog breed, when well trained they are harmless to non threat.

It's way past time to act like pit type dogs aren't dangerous. The suggestion that they are not is pure stupidity.

More dangerous than other breeds? The evidence has born that fact for decades. It's no longer a question.

It doesn't mean every pit is a worthless killer. It does mean that far too many own dangerous dogs and can't muster the responsibility that it demands.

Not true, They are very intelligent breed and if you think of them little kids, You would see reason that it all depends on how well and good they are trained.

Now you have.

Now you have twice.

It can happen that a Labrador can be vicious but it is very unusual. It can be expected and very likely with a Pit Bull a high percentage of the time and they can go off their rocker after being a "good" dog for quite a while. A young child that they aren't familiar with could set them off. As I said earlier a bunch of them suffer the mental ills attendant with being inbred.

What in the world got bleeped out?

When I get the hackering for one I just go over to the optics forum and mention Leupolds.

Hey Paul, how much does it hurt to have your head up your ass with that phony skid lid on it?

From the owners I have seen with them that would be like getting blood from a rock.

Maybe, but you can throw a rock into jail.

The bleeped word is the name of the big monkey in Africa that is reputed to have 97% human DNA. It has been used to describe the human population that was transported over here as slave labor. There is a theory that after the human/[bleep] split that some of the humans escaped Africa and bred into the Neanderthal in Europe while others that stayed in Africa continued for a while breeding across the line that became the other species.

In the old days it common practice to shot the dog on site when involved in an attack. The reccomendations were not to shot the dog in the head to preserve for rabies testing.

There needs to be a bounty on pits. 17HMR, to lessen collateral damage.

Plenty of other breeds out there for pets.

The longest shot I ever made on a Pit Bull was a full 400 yards with a Ruger 77 in .270 with 130 SST. It and 2 others were chasing my cattle one morning right after daylight while I was there duck hunting. I ran them off at too far a range for #3 steel shot and then took up position with the rifle in one of the deer blinds. They showed back up so I shot the leader and was taken aback when the other 2 viciously attacked their fallen comrade. I missed the other 2 or at least they got away with no obvious injury but I never saw them again.

You mean that it's "politically incorrect" to say the word ch imp on this forum? Just WTF has this pansy ass country turned into?

Yes the word cannot be spoken or appear in print. Might offend those that look and act like them. That CANNOT happen.

Back in the 90s I lived out in the country on a small farm property. There was a railrode track that ran along one side and a road crossing at the very end of my property. For whatever reason that crossing was a prime place to dump unwanted pitbulls and pit crosses. I lived there for 5 years and during that time we had goats and chickens that my niece kept around. I got tired of picking up her dead animals and replacing them. All killed by those pits in off the tracks. One time my labs got after them and got chewed up a bit. I would usually catch them in the act and shoot them out of my kitchen window. I probably shot a half dozen or more.
My family owned a Ford Dealership at the time and I ran the Service dept and worked on the sheriff depts Crown Vics. When one of the guys was at my shop I asked to see what I should do about them dogs. He told me to practice the 3 S’s . Shoot , shovel and shut up. That old ruger tanger in 30-06 could knock em down.

I don't see the connection. I thought it was obvious my post in this thread was tongue in cheek. I'll very clearly restate my position on the other topic. If our freedoms get stripped away and the constitution eroded the way the current administration wants them to, there will come a point that I will no longer revere the anthem or the flag. I'd think most of you would be the same way. Are you going to salute that flag if your right to free speech and your right to bear arms are stolen from you?

With a little effort, you can find the story of the mauling to death of the leader of a pit bull advocacy group who thought the same way. Right up until her well trained pit bull methodically chewed the life right out of her.

The sub human groids that raise these things, yes.

Kill Pits, worthless breed.

And while labs on a nationwide basis might have more bites your data does not consider that there are many more multiples of labs, Golden’s or whatever to begin with. And most the other breeds don’t catch and kill, this is a pit trait. The bottom tier of society wants to own a pit, they are compensating for something . . . same people that need to drive a Hummer. It’s an image thing.

Eitherway, no question that a pit is horrible breed to own.

FYI, insurance companies don’t surcharge for owning a lab, but if you have a pit you are going to pay a lot more. Why? Data proves they suck.

The dog breed of piece strikes again.





Eh.......I have enough alder bushes around to toss them in. The ravens and magpies and the occasional eagle will make short work of them unless I need to send a message. I've been known to drag one or two behind a vehicle to the dump in broad daylight.

Michael Vick still gets a phat paycheck for analyzing NFL games. Dude can barely speak, IQ of 71.

JFC, kill em all.

So in other words you're going to '''relinquish''' ;

VERB
voluntarily cease to keep or claim; give up.
synonyms:
renounce · give up · part with · give away · hand over · turn over · lay down · let go of · waive · resign · abdicate · yield · cede · surrender · sign away · leave · resign from · stand down .

Biden and the rest of the leftist/marxist/commies will NEVER take MY FLAG or U.S. Constitution or The National Anthem ! ! !
And no I highly doubt anybody here feels the way you do , well maybe a couple .

Sorry, Paul, I thought you were being serious.

middlechild, from my encounters with other dogs, I'd say at least 50% of the dogs I come across are poorly trained, but of those, 95+% are goofy and annoying, but not dangerous, -except the poorly trained pit type breeds I come across. No, they're not "just like every other breed"

+1 I might kill the dog and the owner if I were around when that happened .

At the moment I don't have a pit bull, first time in 50+ years. We're having hog problems at the moment and I sure wish I had a couple of bull dogs to fix the hog issue. Any dog that will take a buffalo, bull or hog on shouldn't be trusted around kids. I've owned 3 catahoula leopard hounds that I put down because they were vicious, unpredictable and uncontrollable. Out of the 30+ catch dogs, curs and pits that I've owned a couple would bite but none ever went ape sheit, but I don't put up with that BS from the get go. Between shock collars and Hotshots every dog should be trained to kennel, catch and break when told to, if not a bullet behind the ear cures all ills.

Is there a pit owner anywhere with an IQ above 70 and no felony convictions? Usually live pay check to pay check, if they work, so don't have a pot to piss in.

My favorite are the fat white girls that own rescue Pits. Poverty, pits and violence and ignorance seem to go hand in hand.

That is correct and that is why it is a useless exercise to try to talk to the owner of a bad dog. Just do what needs to be done.

lolololol. Money shot.

Like!

Right, and we'd never let them burn down cities, take over a city, violate election laws or methodically take over government either.

Pitschwitz

Any one who thinks that a pit can be trained to be harmless is not familiar with the breed . Dog fighting is still very popular in some areas and the dogs are breed to fight . The reason is its big money involved . You have winners and losers . The winners who are the best fighters are bred the losers don't make it .

Im sure everyone wants a puppy out of good fighting stock for your kids to play with .

Plus a bunch! Just saw one last night...

i have no problem with pit bulls i will shoot everyone i see where i live ,along with some other bleeds too.

Way to train a pit is to shoot it

Lady I have known my whole life that lives about a quarter of a mile down the road from me got mauled by two pit bulls in her back yard last week. She survived but had to get a total of 36 stitches in her legs arms and face. She was babysitting her 7 year old granddaughter who heard her screams and ran outside. She had to yell for the child to get back in the house before she got attacked also. The little girl got on the phone and called for help. Dogs belong to a neighbor. As per usual the owners of the two pits are white trash that couldn't afford to buy the lady a bottle of tylenol much less cover her medical bills related to this.

What is it about poor, inbred, sister humping, white trash that causes the desire to own a pit bull to be fused into their DNA?

Good question.

This is my experience from 10 years of investigating dog attacks.

I would only qualify it by saying any breed can be aggressive, even a 7lb Maltese.

I wonder how many of the labs/lab crosses, listed as the number one biters by the insurance industry, were actually pitbulls/pitbull crosses? It was/it is very common for pitbull owners to try to list their pitbull cross as a lab cross, to avoid the stigma/licencing requirements/insurance fees often required for pit bulls. In my experience, the tell is the slope of the forehead, the pitbull cross may look very much like a lab cross, except for the forehead slope and it may be more muscular.

Pit bulls are often popular among regular folk; for status (kind of like getting a Harley when you aren't really a biker and a Gold Wing is really your type), for looks (they can be very good looking dogs), for behavior (some of the nicest dogs I ever came across were pitbulls), for protection (the owner doesn't like guns).

What many pitbull owners don't realize is that Pit bulls often are Dr Jeckel/Mr Hyde, one minute the best dog in the world, the next they've killed/mauled the neighbor's kid without provocation. When investigating dog attacks, I always tried to identify what caused the dog to attack. Pitbulls don't need a reason, they were bred to be aggressive, they revert to their type with no warning. They are very good at causing damage. One eary thing about Pit bulls is that they are often very calm after the attack. They can go from calm to unprovoked attack to calm like throwing a light switch. Other breeds do not do this.

Owning a pitbull is not worth the risk to the safety of people, often the owner's friends and family. I agreed with our policy that any unclaimed pitbull/pitbull crosses were destroyed.

I am surprised we made it this far in the thread before someone rolled out a pic of a pit snuggling with a kid or some anecdotal video, as if that establishes the breed as trustworthy. You know, there are a lot of pics and video of Grizzly Man peacefully coexisting with bears right up until one snacked on him.

It is also amusing to me that pits are like every other breed*

*If you think you have them trained right.

Yet you just don't see the warning to "train right" with other breeds. Labs, Poodles, Goldens, Bloodhounds and just about every other breed don't carry the human danger asterisk when they are discussed.

Shot one that was running deer, 12ga. deer slug thru the chest. I still had to stand on the beast's chest till it expired.

I'd speculate that the pit bull attacks you saw were typically much more than a bite. That the attacks were pressed much further than they typically were with other breeds.

Pitbull bites do tend to be more severe than other breeds, but don't discount the damage that any large breed like rottweilers, german shepherds, labs, huskies, malamutes can do. Perhaps the worst mauling that occurred when I worked there, the young victim, a adolescent girl, looked like she had been mauled by a bear or a large cat. The photos showed chunks of flesh from her limbs were missing. Her mother claimed that it was huskies or malamutes that did it. It is very possible that their own dogs chained in the back yard did it. Mother denied it and we looked for the strays she claimed were responsible. Strangely, IIRC, their dogs resembled the "strays". No one twigged to that for a day or so, we were focused on locating the strays. We should have had their dogs stomachs pumped. Very sad.

About the first bite I investigated on my own after training, a rescue pitbull laid the adult males face open from the hairline near the top of his ear to the corner of his mouth. He told me the plastic surgeons used 212 stitches, both dissolving internal and external, to close his wound. I completed my investigation and even though the attack was unprovoked and the owner had his young children over on alternating weeks, I had to go to court to get an order to have the dog destroyed. Even though the owner had been guilted into adopting the abused pitbull from the SPCA by a SPCA employee/volunteer, (she said if the dog wasn't adopted, it would be killed the next day, it's time was up. Of course his kids convinced him to adopt it.), he felt he had to fight to save it. Dumbass, the dog had been tortured and burned by cigarettes by the previous owner. It was a landshark. He had to keep it on a logging chain. If you were close to it, it tried to grab you with evil intent. It always felt good holding those dogs while the vet injected the lethal dose of sedative.

Another time, a fellow officer asked for help investigating complaints of pitbulls chasing and biting people in an area near downtown. No one could/would identify the dogs or where they came from. There was a house where the owner had a revolving door of pitbulls coming and going. There had been prior aggressive incidents from pitbulls at that location. So many dogs coming and going, hard to tell which dogs had committed the priors and which were even licenced. Anyways, we're talking to the owner and a couple of the pitbulls were loose in the yard, showing no signs of aggression. I felt pressure on my calf and looked down to see one of the pitbulls had placed his mouth around my calf, just holding it. I asked the owner to remove his dog. I kid you not, the owner said, "Oh look, he's tasting you!" I told him I didn't care what he thought his dog was doing, he better remove it or I would and it wouldn't be so gentle.

That's the attitude of so many dog owners. Never their fault. Never their dog's fault. IMO experience, many, maybe the majority of dog owners were unqualified to own a dog. I would support that prospective dog owners had to take a course to prepare them. People are really stupid when it comes to pets. Pets are not people, no matter how much they mean to your life.

There were so many aspects of that job I loved. But after 10 years I had to get out and transfer to another department. I was so jaded, and sick and tired of dog owners. Two thirds of my life to that time, I had always had one or more dogs. Ten years of dog owners and bad dogs, I have never had another dog and no desire to. Perhaps I'm scarred from those experiences, yet other coworkers had all sorts of pets. I just can't handle it, much to the chagrin of my kids.

One final story. Someone was always on call, in case of an "emergency". One night at about 2AM I was called out to investigate allegations of two pitbulls chasing and biting people. I probably should have phoned the on-call supervisor to request back up. But by the time you get your truck and get to the scene, who knows if I find the pitbulls? I was hesitant to disturb another person's sleep on a maybe. I arrived there and started interviewing and getting statements from the victims. As it turned out the dogs soon turned up and were milling around the intersection in front of their house and the house I was interviewing victims at the time. I should have called for backup, even a cop car crew (in my experience, 80% of cops were useless handling dogs). Backup from my department was an hour away. I decided to try it myself. Sometimes things are much easier than first thought. I grabbed my pole and went to grab the pitbulls. They were experienced, while one pressed the attack, the other would circle and try to get me from behind. At one point, the male got quite close and the female was coming in from behind. I hit the male as hard as I could between the eyes. I expected to see some visible injury, but he didn't yelp nor was there a visible injury, he just backed off. I turned and drove the female back. About this time they ran around to the alley. I jumped into my truck and followed. I found a hole in the rear fence at the house they were from. I jumped out and they male stuck his head though the hole. I snared him and threw him into a cage in the truck. I returned to the hole and the female stuck her head out. I snared her and put her in a cage. Sweet. Now I noticed the rear door to the house was open. Strange. I had no jurisdiction to enter the house. I called the cops to conduct a welfare check of any occupants. A car crew soon arrived. I was asked to go in with them. We found no people, but there was a third pitbull in an upstairs bedroom. I impounded her for safe keeping. We found the remnants of a hydroponic marijuana grow op in the basement. There was hardly anything in the house. It was probably stupid to take on two pitbulls myself, but in this case, no harm, no fowl. Ten years, I was never bitten with any effect, although I did have tears in pants and punctures in the leather gloves I always wore, just no skin punctured. I always went a step more than I thought I needed to safely handle the dog and I always wrapped the dogs snout, just in case it panicked and changed its mind and decided to bite me. I had co-workers who were bitten multiple times and missed work due to the severity/infection. Always assume the dog will bite, they all can and will in the right circumstance.

Two dogs fighting because they think they need to? That's one thing. Two dogs fighting to put money in some slob's pocket and amuse rednecks and 'grrrs? No, and that's a dick sport. Period.

wow, Thanks for sharing first hand experience. They are evil and dangerous animals no doubt.

Secretary at work calls me this evening saying she will be in late tomorrow. Neighbors two pits killed all 8 of their goats and she has to file police reports to try and press charges. Worthless fuggin breed that I would never trust around anything I cared about.

The goats obviously provoked them. (sarcasm)

Another dog killed their chickens a while back and her husband shot it. Animal control said it was even since he shot the dog. Now the Animal Control is under the Sheriff’s Dept so hopefully they kill the damn dogs and let them recoup costs. They called in a vet to euthanize 3 of them (I guess she wouldn’t let her husband shoot, didn’t ask as she sounded upset). Schit like that would cause me to end up in prison because I’d have shot those dogs and if their owner wanted them he could pick them up in the nearest ditch. I think he didn’t kill them because he wanted to make sure the owner faces charges. Sucks for them as they’ve really gotten into hobby farming and love their animals.

Fair game in GA if harassing livestock on your property

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An easy solution is to criminally prosecute Pitbull owners for their schitty animals when they destroy property and kill and maim people

I believe in being very pro active in dealing with pit bulls. If they love them they better keep them home.

I have a girl in my neighborhood 15 surgeries to look normal a boy with a chunk out of his arm all from pit bull attacks. I shoot on site but we need a campaign to hold owners accountable for their dogs of all types and breeds so all aggresive dogs are contained. Pit bulls belong to drug addicts morons and psychopaths. You might have no problem you might be killed how much do you love your family?

I have a girl in my neighborhood 15 surgeries to look normal a boy with a chunk out of his arm all from pit bull attacks. I shoot on site but we need a campaign to hold owners accountable for their dogs of all types and breeds so all aggresive dogs are contained. Pit bulls belong to drug addicts morons and psychopaths. You might have no problem you might be killed how much do you love your family?

Pits are fine dogs until something causes them snap. Then they are deadly in seconds with no warning. I would never one have around kids. Had lab and rot mix once. Never could trust that dog.

Believe what you want hardhead profilers, the best two dogs we ever had in our family were a pit bull and a pit rottweiler cross. Here's Ruby a bad azz pit that I had to put down last year at 12+ years old who never did one thing wrong besides pee on the floor in the mud room her last few weeks.

It's not profiling man, it's undisputed facts. Just because your dog didn't attack a human or another dog doesn't mean we ignore the reality.

So I pretty much have been in agreement with the majority here for most of my life when it comes to pit bulls. The only reason I could imagine someone would want one would be to fulfill some kind of macho need to have the baddest dog on the block.

I used to buy purebred puppies so I would know what to expect. Then about 18 years ago this pitiful abandoned starving mongrel found me on the plains of the Texas panhandle and he became the best dog I ever knew. I still have no idea of his heritage but his heart was pure gold.

After he passed I decided I would rescue another dog. Went to the shelter and took pity on this big black dog with ribs sticking out of his sides. The shelter thought he was mostly lab with maybe some pit bull because his head seemed a bit big for his body, but at the time I thought it was because he was so skinny. He almost looked like a full blooded lab to me. I brought him home.

A week later I took him to the local dog park because I still couldn't trust him off-leash. There was one other dog there, a big Belgian Shepard who tried to hump my new friend. There was a fight and Boudreaux ended up on top before other dog's owner and me pulled them apart. She looked over her dog and then said to me, "that's a good dog, he never bit"

Curiosity got the better of me a few months later and I had his DNA tested. Well turns out he's only 37% lab, 13% mixed breeds, and 50% American Staffordshire Terrier. So unknowingly I became the owner of pit bull. I like to think I don't fit the profile described here for that, I'm pretty sure my IQ is something north of 70, and I don't know the first thing about cooking meth. I take Boudreaux on two long walks in the country every day and he sure seems like he has a perfect disposition to me. He loves kids, loves to play with other dogs, not too smart but very gentle.

Objectively is this a dog you think I can trust, or could there still be some hidden dark spot in his brain that's going to cause him to snap one day?

And you take at face value all the other "facts" MSM "reports", right? They don't pick and chose what they "report" for sensationalism/sales, right? They don't shade the truth here and everywhere for same, right? They never make stuff right up, right?

Fact: you can't believe much of anything the lying bastards "report", without taking it with a shaker of salt and a good stiff margarita. And some judicious research from credible sources.

"It doesn't mean every pit is a worthless killer. It does mean that far too many own dangerous dogs and can't muster the responsibility that it demands."

This.


IMO, at least 25% of people that "own" dogs, should not, no matter what the breed. And certainly not a breed with the rep/potential of pits. Which is why many of the people who should not, deliberately choose a pit.

Put them in with the dogs (pit and otherwise) that "should" be gassed for cause, not general breed.

I don't condone and its wrong on many levels , but dog fighting does exist . Dog fights generate big money and draw crowds of of the unsavory type .

Dogs are selectively bred to compete . This is what perpetuates the breed .

All dogs have instincts and triggers . Regardless of how well trained , when the right stimulus occurs instinct takes over and cancels out training .

This^^^^^^