Just wish to pass along some good info......

Have a buddy with a 2017 Ram 5.7L w/136K mi on it. He uses Mobil 1 oil. Mine is a 2015 w/159K mi using Amsoil.....The 5.7 Hemi motors are famous for what they call a Hemi tick because some slop can develop over time in the lifter rollers which contain needle bearings. About a month ago my buddy's Ram went into the shop about 150 miles after he first heard loud chirping noises from the engine compartment on the left driver's side engine bank. He could not get his truck to the shop any sooner. He also developed a misfire and loss of power soon after hearing those loud chirping noises. He called me up after his truck went into the shop and described the problem. My first thoughts were, that one of his lifters seized on the cam and it could be very possible that he may need a new engine IF even if a small amount or a considerable amount of tiny metal shavings were found after the initial tear down.

We met at the shop after the initial teardown and metal shavings galore in the oil pan. Looked like a galaxy cluster. Thousands and thousands of tiny metal flakes. New engine time! So he ordered a new 5.7 long block crate motor.

So while his truck was in the shop waiting for a new motor, I decided to do some research on this issue to maybe determine the root cause because I own a 5.7 Hemi as well with no issues as of yet.

Ran across this you tube video link,,,,,,,,youtube.com/watch?v=jkNOXWGXADM................"The End of the Hemi Tick?" by ReIgnited

The fix? A 6.2L Hellcat oil pump to give the lifters much better oil lubrication AT IDLE by increasing the engine oil pressure. Bolts right up to all 2009 and newer 5.7 Hemi motors. Same bolt pattern. The Hellcat oil pump with increased oil pressure will not affect the gaskets or the seals causing them to leak. Same interior dimensions, oil galleries and oil flow splash points as the 6.2L Hellcat motors.

So my friend ordered a 6.2L Hellcat oil pump at my suggestion. The OE oil pump was removed from the new motor and replaced with the Hellcat oil pump. After the job was finished, his oil pressure at full operating temp is now 39 to 41 psi @ idle where before at idle his truck ranged from 29 to 32 psi. His new motor is quiet. I mean quiet.

So I decided to spend several hundred $$$ to go with a Hellcat oil pump myself. I went from 30 to 33 psi at idle full operating temp to now 38 to 41 psi at idle. Rambling down the road at 80 mph @ about 1800 rpm my oil pressure shows 72-73 psi. My motor got a little more quiet as well.

The shop made it very clear that over long periods of time, shorter times especially with 5.7L police and highway patrol Hemi motors that idle much more, that it is the idling time that slowly takes its toll on the lifter rollers because at idle the oil psi is at its lowest and at idle the rollers get just enough oil lubrication but not quite enough with the standard OE 5.7 oil pump.

The nationwide lifter failure rate according to some stat reports the shop showed me is roughly 5% to 8% with the 5.7s.

Strongly suggest that if you own a 2009 and newer 5.7 Hemi to watch the above video as well as other videos by Reignited that cover this subject. A Hellcat oil pump installation just may save one thousands of $$$$ if done before a lifter problem arises which is why I had one installed on my truck.

Dinny said GFY

Probably why mine is a Ford, never a problem.

I owned a 2002 Dodge Ram Quad, engine went at 130K, had it for 5 years and just made the last payment, never again! Good luck.

Thanks for sharing the info. Hopefully, it helps others who currently own a Dodge 5.7. It may help sway potential buyers to choose something else.

I'm a Ford man, I love my F-150s. However, at least the Dodge trucks look good.

My uncle has one that I noticed the other day clattering a little when he first cranks it. I think its a 2017. I figured it was just one of the quirks of the engine because I always heard people talking about it. He bought the lifetime warranty that Ram/Dodge USED to sell so if it grenades they own it after the deductible which isn't much.

The oil pump thing could not hurt but if it was the answer, it seems like to me they would be having a lot higher failure rate than 5 to 8% especially when you consider cops idle them ALL day running the AC while they are sitting around waiting to write a ticket in the hot summer time. I suspect that x percent of them just probably get bad bearings from the factory that are probably made in China.

I've also heard about people using 5w-30 oil as opposed to whatever lightweight is called for in the manual...... Xw-20 wt I think. I suppose that would slightly increase oil pressure.

Anyway, thanks for the post and best of luck with your Hemi.

got to kind of laugh at all the Ford bragging. they kind of forgot about the stripped heads on the spark plug hole pandemic, followed by the broken two-piece spark plug pandemic. the EcoBoost aren't without their problems either carry on

Kind of reminds me of a video I saw the other day where an internet mechanic was making fun of "fanboys" of whatever brand while listing the problems of pretty much all of them. His advice was "buy the shatbox you like and take your chances".

Thanks, Didn't know it was a lube failure...just thought it was a funky lifter design, my son just put an engine in his Drudge, lifter/cam failure.

I hate buying cars.

Even cheap beaters are a couple thousand bucks and all I can think is "Is this POS gonna
pop and engine or tranny and leave me stuck with an expensive junkpile that requires
a repair that equals it's value?

At least for $5k you can walk away.

A buddy bought a Superduty with a "6.Oh, no!" for his business, to replace a POS that kept
shutting him down.

I hate buying cars.

Even cheap beaters are a couple thousand bucks and all I can think is "Is this POS gonna
pop and engine or tranny and leave me stuck with an expensive junkpile that requires
a repair that equals it's value?

At least for $5k you can walk away.

A buddy bought a Superduty with a "6.Oh, no!" for his business, to replace a POS that kept
shutting him down.

After a couple years, maybe, it wouldn't run. Compression, fuel....But No Go!
In frustration he bought a real truck, and shuffled the POS through multiple mechanics.
Thousands more invested and it never ran to my knowledge. It sat for another year or so and he sold it for pennies. Not sure what brand he might prefer. Darn sure what he hates.

It's an inherent design defect, the camshaft sits farther up in the engine block and the oil galleries do not supply the camshaft oil gallery properly. The Hellcat oil pump is a stop gap , the design is flawed not the pump but block design. Ram won't do anything about it and after this year the engine is no longer put in Rams.


I have met at least one guy with 75K on his Hemi and he told me it started around 60K. He does mostly highway driving and changes oil at 5k with Mobil 1. He could have been full of crap who knows.

I worry more about the MDX then I do the oil pressure. My oil pressure gauge always read low on my 2021 Ram FWIW.


Seems like any of the Big 3 will have engine issues in the 1/2 ton department.

2002 1500Ram 5.9 motor setting in the bone yard here on the ranch with 95K miles with blown engine. Never abused and always serviced. Went to a ford now and so far happy, but that could change today. Who knows? The Local mechanic says he makes a good living fixing Dodge gas engines at just around 100K miles.

+1. you could not give me a Ford . I have never seen such a cluster design from supposed engineers.

here's a question for those in the know about the hemi what about the 5.7 in a 2008 model? same defect or is it made a little different?

The engine was changed in 2009 I believe.

that's good news to me I have an 08 with a 5.7 hemi. haven't had any troubles it does seem to have a little bit of a tick now and then specially when cold but it does have about 210,000 miles on it currently

This.

And any make of active displacement management or whatever they call it, will have issues. There are kits to delete it so it runs on all 8 like an engine should.

that may explain why I've never had any issues if applicable. mine is in a 3/4 ton mega cab in the option where it turns off some cylinders for better a few mileage is not on my particular application . to my understanding over a certain GVW that is not programmed on the truck

Another issue for a design that does nothing for gas mileage but costs the owner tons to repair .

Thanks for that - I had the same question. Bought my wife a 2007 Chrysler 300C with the 5.7 in 2009 with 58k miles. We're at just over 200k now and it's been the best vehicle I've ever bought. Trouble free and very reliable - regular maintenance and worn steering/drivetrain items is all it's needed.

👍, mines in a 2500 megacab ...

..................ID.......Well supposedly the 2008 and older models 5.7s do not have this problem......Watch the video on you tube that I posted at the beginning of this thread. He explains that.

.....Thought about the same thing about the MDS going from 8 cyl down to 4 cyl when cruising. Is the MDS partially the culprit? Well according to Reignited in another one of his videos or in the same video link I posted, I don't remember, the 5.7 manual trans Challengers without the MDS post 2008 still had the lifter issues.

Ram/Chrysler imo laid an egg on the later generation Hemis post 2008 by not going with a higher pressure oil pump. However, there are many 5.7 Hemis out there with 200K plus miles on em that have never had a lifter issue using the standard OE oil pump.

Luck of the draw. My buddy caught the short end.

I think most of the Hemi lifter issues are with MDS and high idle times. Chevy has much worse issues with their MDS system. Thanks EPA!

I would just disable that crap.

Dodges with lifter problems usually have one of two issues! They recieved poor maintenance, or were driven hard and put away wet. Same as all other vehicles.

Most of the HEMI issues are reported by police departments , the vast majority.

Had a 2014 Ram 1500 with the 5.7l Hemi. Put 145 K on it and never had a problem.

You are a lowly, miserable person with no life. You should kill yourself and beat the Holiday rush.

I experienced the other Hemi tick. Luckily it was only a broken exhaust manifold bolt. It seems some Hemis get a lifter tick, some get an exhaust tick, and some get neither. My best guess is it's just random randomness.

My mechanic's insurance company doesn't allow him to use anything except direct replacement OEM parts for that specific make and model vehicle. He has a sign posted stating he won't use anything except that and he won't use any customer supplied parts. I guess one could say he's risk averse but he's also a small shop that has everything to lose.


https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/17426487/hemi-tick

Nice visual explanation here. I like Uncle Tony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTL8QEU2NwE&ab_channel=UncleTony%27sGarage

The 5L Coyote is pretty bullet proof.

Thank baby Jesus for my lifetime warranty on my '12 Power Wagon. When/if the motor blows it'll run me $100. Just like all the other stuff that has broke.

And putting out 100hp/l in the Nighthorse edition (500hp), otherwise the Mustang GT is at 486hp - from a 5.0 - all while passing emissions.

The one with the plasma cylinder liners? How long do they last compared to a Tundra V8?

What was the fix for later gen 5.7Rams?

.....As I understand it, Ram converted to larger diameter needle bearings in the lifters. In one of the you tube videos by Reignited he talks about that. However larger diameter roller bearings can still seize up causing lifter and cam damage IF the problem isn't solved at the source as was clear with my buddy's 2017 Ram. The standard OE 5.7 oil pumps deliver lubrication to the lifters but not quite enough at idle when the oil psi is at its lowest. So over alot of time and an unpredictable amount of miles there can be lifter failures, which in turn causes severe cam damage, which in turn leaves large amounts of tiny metal shavings throughout the engine, which in turn results in a new or reman engine needed.

The fix is installing a 6.2L Hellcat oil pump which is exactly what I did before any of my lifters go bad resulting in me buying a new motor. Puts out 17% more oil flow than the OE 5.7 oil pumps which increases the oil psi at idle by roughly 7 to 10 psi....

Is that to say that a Hellcat oil pump will without any doubt solve the lifter issues on the 5.7s 2009 and newer? No.....But what the Hellcat oil pump does do, is make it far less likely that lifter failure will occur. Imo, several hundred bucks well spent as preventative maintenance.....

Reignited has many you tube videos about the 5.7 Hemi tick and lifter issues. There are others as well, but imo he explains things more clearly and more concise than the others do.

N.C. Highway Patrol had this issue as well . Lots if time at idle was the culprit.

I wouldn't own a dodge simply for the fact of them suing Ford for decreasing costs and increasing employee compensation back in 1919. The best thing that dodge has is an engine that's not even theirs, and everything else is harbor freight quality, I mean even Government Motors makes a better product. All companies make bad sheit eventually including Ford, but with dodge/chrysler it's almost as if it's written into their business model as planned obsolescence, much like Apple does with their products.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

........Same here in So Cal I was told.......Ram gonna go with the inline 6 bangers w/twin turbos and discontinue the 5.7 Hemi as is my understanding. Two variations of these new 6s I've learned if true, will be one with a 400 HP lower output engine while the other will be a 500 hp higher output engine.

I'm sorry. Those 6 ers will never sound as good as a Hemi with Magnaflows.....

Good amounts of good ol cubic inches have already become a thing of the past that started years ago.

F'n EPA

cant imagine how bad they will mess that up. How long they been making V 8's and still screwing them up.

If you read that and only see one side of the issue you gotta be the biggest Fanboy on earth.

Or, stupid.

Henry was screwing his investors to screw the Dodge Boys?

Yes to disable.

The GM AFM engines don't get a lick better mileage than non AFM engines.

$200 bucks gets an AFM disabled.

Not as good as a top end rebuild but it's a cheaper alternative.

I wonder if a higher viscosity oil would help the stock oil pump keep the oil pressure up. I would think that it would.

Or any V8 with Magnaflows.

..........Nope.....Because even if you use a higher viscosity oil, the oil pump flow with the stock pump is still the same.

What the Hellcat oil pump does is move the oil faster.....17% better better oil flow vs the stock 5.7 oil pumps. The Hellcat pumps have thicker impellers which moves the oil faster thru the motor

And if ya use a 5/30 oil when the factory calls for 5/20, then you could get a check engine light coming on for the wrong viscosity oil.