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here's a question for those in the know about the hemi what about the 5.7 in a 2008 model? same defect or is it made a little different?

The engine was changed in 2009 I believe.
that's good news to me I have an 08 with a 5.7 hemi. haven't had any troubles it does seem to have a little bit of a tick now and then specially when cold but it does have about 210,000 miles on it currently

Thanks for that - I had the same question. Bought my wife a 2007 Chrysler 300C with the 5.7 in 2009 with 58k miles. We're at just over 200k now and it's been the best vehicle I've ever bought. Trouble free and very reliable - regular maintenance and worn steering/drivetrain items is all it's needed.

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Originally Posted by ldholton
here's a question for those in the know about the hemi what about the 5.7 in a 2008 model? same defect or is it made a little different?

The engine was changed in 2009 I believe.
that's good news to me I have an 08 with a 5.7 hemi. haven't had any troubles it does seem to have a little bit of a tick now and then specially when cold but it does have about 210,000 miles on it currently

Thanks for that - I had the same question. Bought my wife a 2007 Chrysler 300C with the 5.7 in 2009 with 58k miles. We're at just over 200k now and it's been the best vehicle I've ever bought. Trouble free and very reliable - regular maintenance and worn steering/drivetrain items is all it's needed.
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Originally Posted by ldholton
here's a question for those in the know about the hemi what about the 5.7 in a 2008 model? same defect or is it made a little different?
..................ID.......Well supposedly the 2008 and older models 5.7s do not have this problem......Watch the video on you tube that I posted at the beginning of this thread. He explains that.


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It's an inherent design defect, the camshaft sits farther up in the engine block and the oil galleries do not supply the camshaft oil gallery properly. The Hellcat oil pump is a stop gap , the design is flawed not the pump but block design. Ram won't do anything about it and after this year the engine is no longer put in Rams.

This.

And any make of active displacement management or whatever they call it, will have issues. There are kits to delete it so it runs on all 8 like an engine should.
.....Thought about the same thing about the MDS going from 8 cyl down to 4 cyl when cruising. Is the MDS partially the culprit? Well according to Reignited in another one of his videos or in the same video link I posted, I don't remember, the 5.7 manual trans Challengers without the MDS post 2008 still had the lifter issues.

Ram/Chrysler imo laid an egg on the later generation Hemis post 2008 by not going with a higher pressure oil pump. However, there are many 5.7 Hemis out there with 200K plus miles on em that have never had a lifter issue using the standard OE oil pump.

Luck of the draw. My buddy caught the short end.


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I think most of the Hemi lifter issues are with MDS and high idle times. Chevy has much worse issues with their MDS system. Thanks EPA!

I would just disable that crap.


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Dodges with lifter problems usually have one of two issues! They recieved poor maintenance, or were driven hard and put away wet. Same as all other vehicles.

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Most of the HEMI issues are reported by police departments , the vast majority.

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Had a 2014 Ram 1500 with the 5.7l Hemi. Put 145 K on it and never had a problem.


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I experienced the other Hemi tick. Luckily it was only a broken exhaust manifold bolt. It seems some Hemis get a lifter tick, some get an exhaust tick, and some get neither. My best guess is it's just random randomness.

My mechanic's insurance company doesn't allow him to use anything except direct replacement OEM parts for that specific make and model vehicle. He has a sign posted stating he won't use anything except that and he won't use any customer supplied parts. I guess one could say he's risk averse but he's also a small shop that has everything to lose.


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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
It's an inherent design defect, the camshaft sits farther up in the engine block and the oil galleries do not supply the camshaft oil gallery properly. The Hellcat oil pump is a stop gap , the design is flawed not the pump but block design. Ram won't do anything about it and after this year the engine is no longer put in Rams.


I have met at least one guy with 75K on his Hemi and he told me it started around 60K. He does mostly highway driving and changes oil at 5k with Mobil 1. He could have been full of crap who knows.

I worry more about the MDX then I do the oil pressure. My oil pressure gauge always read low on my 2021 Ram FWIW.


Seems like any of the Big 3 will have engine issues in the 1/2 ton department.

The 5L Coyote is pretty bullet proof.


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Originally Posted by EdM
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
It's an inherent design defect, the camshaft sits farther up in the engine block and the oil galleries do not supply the camshaft oil gallery properly. The Hellcat oil pump is a stop gap , the design is flawed not the pump but block design. Ram won't do anything about it and after this year the engine is no longer put in Rams.


I have met at least one guy with 75K on his Hemi and he told me it started around 60K. He does mostly highway driving and changes oil at 5k with Mobil 1. He could have been full of crap who knows.

I worry more about the MDX then I do the oil pressure. My oil pressure gauge always read low on my 2021 Ram FWIW.


Seems like any of the Big 3 will have engine issues in the 1/2 ton department.

The 5L Coyote is pretty bullet proof.

And putting out 100hp/l in the Nighthorse edition (500hp), otherwise the Mustang GT is at 486hp - from a 5.0 - all while passing emissions.


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Originally Posted by EdM
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
It's an inherent design defect, the camshaft sits farther up in the engine block and the oil galleries do not supply the camshaft oil gallery properly. The Hellcat oil pump is a stop gap , the design is flawed not the pump but block design. Ram won't do anything about it and after this year the engine is no longer put in Rams.


I have met at least one guy with 75K on his Hemi and he told me it started around 60K. He does mostly highway driving and changes oil at 5k with Mobil 1. He could have been full of crap who knows.

I worry more about the MDX then I do the oil pressure. My oil pressure gauge always read low on my 2021 Ram FWIW.


Seems like any of the Big 3 will have engine issues in the 1/2 ton department.

The 5L Coyote is pretty bullet proof.


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What was the fix for later gen 5.7Rams?


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Originally Posted by smarquez
What was the fix for later gen 5.7Rams?
.....As I understand it, Ram converted to larger diameter needle bearings in the lifters. In one of the you tube videos by Reignited he talks about that. However larger diameter roller bearings can still seize up causing lifter and cam damage IF the problem isn't solved at the source as was clear with my buddy's 2017 Ram. The standard OE 5.7 oil pumps deliver lubrication to the lifters but not quite enough at idle when the oil psi is at its lowest. So over alot of time and an unpredictable amount of miles there can be lifter failures, which in turn causes severe cam damage, which in turn leaves large amounts of tiny metal shavings throughout the engine, which in turn results in a new or reman engine needed.

The fix is installing a 6.2L Hellcat oil pump which is exactly what I did before any of my lifters go bad resulting in me buying a new motor. Puts out 17% more oil flow than the OE 5.7 oil pumps which increases the oil psi at idle by roughly 7 to 10 psi....

Is that to say that a Hellcat oil pump will without any doubt solve the lifter issues on the 5.7s 2009 and newer? No.....But what the Hellcat oil pump does do, is make it far less likely that lifter failure will occur. Imo, several hundred bucks well spent as preventative maintenance.....

Reignited has many you tube videos about the 5.7 Hemi tick and lifter issues. There are others as well, but imo he explains things more clearly and more concise than the others do.


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N.C. Highway Patrol had this issue as well . Lots if time at idle was the culprit.

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Originally Posted by wilkeshunter
N.C. Highway Patrol had this issue as well . Lots if time at idle was the culprit.
........Same here in So Cal I was told.......Ram gonna go with the inline 6 bangers w/twin turbos and discontinue the 5.7 Hemi as is my understanding. Two variations of these new 6s I've learned if true, will be one with a 400 HP lower output engine while the other will be a 500 hp higher output engine.

I'm sorry. Those 6 ers will never sound as good as a Hemi with Magnaflows.....

Good amounts of good ol cubic inches have already become a thing of the past that started years ago.

F'n EPA


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