Do i believe there’s things one there that ppl hasn’t seen?

Maybe.


But with the boom of trail cams in the field.. there’s no concrete proof…

Kinda like Panthers in MS…

Lets say for the sake of argument Bigfoot is real.......In order to have a sustaining population there would need to be at least a population of 32-40 of them, in other words males, females, juveniles and adults. How much would they need to eat to maintain a body weight of 300-400 ibs? That's a whole lot of vegetation......

But yet, never a body or skeleton found? I don't believe there's anything out there that hasn't been seen by a hunter, hiker, or logger......

In order to have a sustaining population there would need to be at least a population of 32-40 of them, in other words males, females, juveniles and adults.

That clip appears to be staged and it has got to be a man in a bigfoot costume.

Looks baggy around the legs. Suit of some sort.

An undiscovered 8’ tall 500+ lb primate living with all it’s relatives in the United States? Sure.

Looks baggy around the legs. Suit of some sort.

Color me pretty skeptical.
The fact that there’s no real physical evidence makes me think that way.
Inter-dimensional beings I might buy. My faith tells me that there’s much more to this world and life than my eyes can see. But a sustaining colony of bipedal critters would sooner or later turn up some evidence, especially in North America.
A friend once told me of seeing one while he was archery hunting in Brush Valley. (Around here you’ll hear them called “Skunk Apes” because they’re usually accompanied by a horrible odor.
Anyway,Mike said he was in his tree stand early AM, and he caught the scent of stench before he saw it from 30 yards away.
He was dead serious, and I believe that he saw something, but I wouldn’t guess what.
And yes, come to think of it, dressing up in an ape costume and appearing before a crowd of tourists does sound like a helluva lotta fun!
I don’t think I’d try it in hunting season, by I’m sure there are areas that could thrive off of the business!
Reon

No animal in its natural habitat is that clumsy in its movements. That is a man in a costume.

Bigfoot is a myth. Not one trapper or hunter in the 1800s shot one or found one dead when they were wiping out the beaver, bison, wolf, pronhorn, elk and grizzly? Sorry but I dont buy that

100% they are real, but the train video is a guy in a suit.

That’s a guy in a suit.

But there is something out there. My dad saw one. My dad is a Baptist deacon and a lifelong hunter and logger. He has seen every animal we have. He got a good look and was not expecting it. He was not a believer and it was a bit of a shock. It was standing thigh deep in a river about a hundred yards away. When it realized it had been seen, it bounded out of the river in a way no human could ever do and certainly not one in a suit.

Most complete debunking rests on the premises it is an ape. If there is an unknown species, it has to be closer to a man and have very close to our intelligence…maybe even greater in some instances. That is a much more believable proposition. Let’s say one family group has a territory of a couple or three hundred square miles and then they migrate.

Set aside Bigfoot and imagine you had a family of Shawnee Indians who had somehow survived from the 18th century to now living in your county. They were determined to remain hidden and avoid white men. Would you ever see them? No, only if they screwed up. Would they know what a game camera was? No, but they would know enough to avoid it and they would likely know it was there when you wouldn’t think there was any way they could.

If there is something out there, it is not an animal like a bear or even an ape. It’s much more like a man or a different type of man.

Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone both reported seeing something that we might call a bigfoot.

Here in Florida All the guys that mow along the roads both back roads and interstate all carry, and most if not all have all seen something they can't explain and have no qualms about saying so. Here it is reffered to as Skunk Ape the mowing guys all say the same thing that they smell it way before seeing it.

Maybe, in a vast wilderness area. Like UFO's there have been too many credible sightings by law enforcement and military personnel, for it to be a myth or fabricated joke. If BF exists then they are smart, smart enough to bury their dead immediately so no remains have ever been found. But they have left sign deep in the forests from high tree scratching, foot prints, broken sign trees, etc...

I don't think they are common, but the first hunter that kills one will be a very rich man.

No animal in its natural habitat is that clumsy in its movements. That is a man in a costume.

Bigfoot is a myth. Not one trapper or hunter in the 1800s shot one or found one dead when they were wiping out the beaver, bison, wolf, pronhorn, elk and grizzly? Sorry but I dont buy that

Seems like a credible source.

https://www.montanaoutdoor.com/2017/09/colorado-hunter-claims-sexually-assaulted-sasquatch/

BS. With 300,000,000 people walking around with cell phone cameras, why isn't there a single non-faked picture of it?

Lets say for the sake of argument Bigfoot is real.......In order to have a sustaining population there would need to be at least a population of 32-40 of them, in other words males, females, juveniles and adults. How much would they need to eat to maintain a body weight of 300-400 ibs? That's a whole lot of vegetation......

But yet, never a body or skeleton found? I don't believe there's anything out there that hasn't been seen by a hunter, hiker, or logger......

I think that Colorado train video is several years old. Not sure why it surfaced again.

Ron

Just an innocent question -with all the people that spend time outdoors hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, and the sheer number of bears, how many skeletons of dead bears been found?

I think that Colorado train video is several years old. Not sure why it surfaced again.

Ron

It’s not just that there are no provable incidental sightings by people who spend most of their lives in the deep woods. There are many groups of people actually actively searching for a bigfoot full time with the latest technology and they have no proof either.

Hundreds of people have admitted to faking footprints, vocalizations, and knocking sounds in the forest though.

With all the trail cameras in the woods these days, I think if BF were real it would be caught on one by now.

According to who?

You?



Gotta link to any of these admissions of fraud?

Your post appears the most fraudulent of all.

Thousands upon thousands of eye witness encounters from all walks of life. They are not all liars, idiots, or mistaken.

Excellent question!

How many human skeletons have you found in the woods?

There are literally probably a million trail cams in use all over the country as I type this but not one has taken a CLEAR image of one yet. Dont know about you but I have hundreds of crystal clear trail cam and regular camera pictures of deer, bear, coyotes etc etc, but every pic ive seen purportedly showing "bigfoot" are blurry or otherwise obscured. In the hundreds of years hunters and trappers have been roaming America not one has been harvested nor a carcass found. Not to mention that none have been struck by a car/train etc. Believe many of the "eyewitnesses" have seen "something", maybe a glipse of a bear etc etc but not a Sasquatch! As an example, how many non hunters are aware that there are color phase black bears that arent black. This could explain seeing parts of something large and brown or cinnamon color moving through the thick in a non grizz area etc. Also in the morning or evening low light how many times have we as hunters spotted something we just "knew" was a deer etc only to have the coming daylight show it to be tree, stump etc etc!

NO NO NO! There is proof all over the internet! Thousands of pictures I tell you! Thousands of credible eyewitness sightings! Bigfoot is real, he’s just shy.

Most folks don’t know how to be quiet in the woods and are far too noisy. They don’t control scent, movement and the like. Scientists don’t know everything and very few are in the field. History is full of accounts and sightings. Very few have really ventured into watersheds or swamps. The Mississippi Delta was the last place to be settled in our state because of mosquitoes, disease and flooding. The Choctaws used it as hunting grounds. Here they were called Delta devils or skunk apes. Game and Fish swears there’s no panthers here either, but I have heard and seen them. My best friend is a member of a premier hunting club located over the levee by the Mississippi River at the Greenville River Bridge. The club has 35 members and the last membership sold for $600 K. It has many square miles of River bottom. Much of it has never been seen by a human in decades. How much land can 35 members hunt? Licking branches weren’t discovered by scientists but a hunter. Recent edition of Smithsonian had a new firefly discovered in New Jersey. Too much credible evidence for Bigfoot out there. There are some YouTubes of one spotted on the Mississippi River at a hunting club north of Tunica. Look for it. Sure looks like a Bigfoot to me.

If someone took a picture of a dead one laid out in the bed of a truck, you wouldn’t believe it.

So what? They were both also known for tall tales. And those so called events were published long after both were dead. Are you really this gullible? Trappers, prospectors and hunters went into every nook and cranny of this land and not one of them ever found a dead one or ever killed one.

Take off the blinders and engage your grey matter

I wouldn't doubt what there are still tribes of people in the Amazon that haven't been discovered.

Lets say for the sake of argument Bigfoot is real.......In order to have a sustaining population there would need to be at least a population of 32-40 of them, in other words males, females, juveniles and adults. How much would they need to eat to maintain a body weight of 300-400 ibs? That's a whole lot of vegetation......

But yet, never a body or skeleton found? I don't believe there's anything out there that hasn't been seen by a hunter, hiker, or logger......

Yes I would. A picture of a bigfoot would prove they exist.

I've found several in the eastern Sierras.

Why would a picture prove they exist? The Patterson film is pretty damned definitive and you don’t believe that.

I would bet you have not read one book on the subject in which you pretend to be an expert. Teddy Roosevelt wrote in the "Wilderness Hunter" about a mountain man who said exactly what you say never happened. Do some research on the subject. There are newspaper articles dating back to the 1680's and into the 1900's talking about bigfoot, wildmen, and giants. The Native Americans have known of their existence long before a white man ever set foot on this land. Sasquatch is probably one the easiest things to prove if you look into it.

You say the events concerning Boone and Crockett are somehow are meaningless. How do events published after someone dies discredit what is said? The New Testament was written after Jesus was dead, so by your reasoning I guess he did not exist or rise from the dead?

Here is the truth. The powerful elites have controlled what we see and what we hear and what we read for a long time. Would Fox News or CNN have to tell you that Sasquatch are real? How about a college professor? Or better yet, how about one of those 3-letter government agencies? They have a great track record for telling the truth in recent times, i.e. Kennedy's Assassination, Weapons of Mass Destruction, The 911 Report, Covid 19. We have been conditioned to seek answers from the places that the elites control. We are led around by the nose given just enough grain and theater to keep us from getting too upset. We are always in an endless loop of war with some enemy to unite us all. We are always divided (Republican/Democrat, Black/White, Pro-Life/Pro-Choice, Stand for the anthem/kneel for the anthem). They don't want us to like or talk to each other. Otherwise we would unite and go to each other for answers/solutions instead of them.

Imagine if the person you trusted the most in this world came to you and said they saw a Sasquatch. Would you call them gullible? Would you question their grey matter? If you did, you are merely doing what you have been programmed to do. Conditioned to laugh and make fun of anyone who disagrees with what you have been taught. We the people have the power not them.

Here is another thing to consider. What if there is another being on this planet who shares DNA with humans, does not need fire or clothing to survive, can travel anywhere on this planet, does not pay taxes, or swear an allegiance to any country? Don't you think those who control us would hate for that to come out? We wouldn't need them, would we? We have been fooled and tricked into forgetting why we are here, what we can really do, and who is really in charge. A Great Awakening is happening and many things are coming to light. Keep an open mind and don't let them turn us against each other.

Comparing the Amazon to America is like comparing Fetterman or Biden to an Astrophysicist!!!

Well I was assuming if someone had one laid out in the bed of there truck, there would be some sort of official record or scientific follow up. Proof if you will. The Patterson film is likely fake. Maybe not. Who knows. Gonna need proof to find out.

Well I was assuming if someone had one laid out in the bed of there truck, there would be some sort of official record or scientific follow up. Proof if you will. The Patterson film is likely fake. Maybe not. Who knows. Gonna need proof to find out.

If someone laid one dead in the back of a pickup, it would end up rotting to bones becore they got a reputable scientist to look at it. None would dare.

You could drive to the Smithsonian and dump it out on the front steps and they would step over every day while issuing statements ridiculing anyone who tried to look at it.

Just an innocent question -with all the people that spend time outdoors hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, and the sheer number of bears, how many skeletons of dead bears been found?

Plenty of untouched wilderness in the NW.

Plenty of untouched wilderness in the NW.

I have found 3. I have also found a mountain lion skeleton.

I would bet you have not read one book on the subject in which you pretend to be an expert. Teddy Roosevelt wrote in the "Wilderness Hunter" about a mountain man who said exactly what you say never happened.

Found a few of those!

Pics or it never happened..

Plenty of untouched wilderness in the NW.

I will say if you are ever around Blue Ridge, Ga, stop in the bigfoot museum, its actually pretty cool.

Where?

Untouched but not unseen. A barrage of hikers and hunters cover much of it every year. The entire states of OR and WA combined cover about 270,000 square miles. Just the rainforest part of the Amazon basin covers 2,600,000 square miles. There are likely still tribes of people in there that haven't been discovered. The wildest parts of the PNW are a city park in comparison.

Aces
The North Cascades... Are so 'wild' that you have to wait in line to reserve a permit to camp there. Same with much of the Sierras.
To imagine that there are still drainages etc that have not been explored is fantasy. Don't get me wrong, I wish it were true.. unfortunately it just is not.

To the larger question of Bigfoot being real.. certainly seems to be real in the human psyche. European and native American.
I too have known more than one old timer who had an incredible story. Something they couldn't account for, And neither can I.

I tend to agree with you longarm, but still think there are a few relatively undisturbed (by modern humans) in some of those areas where permits are "needed" to go for a hike. A fairly large majority of the types using those popular routes stick to them. There's the oddball fisherman/climber/hunter that will go off trail for their particular reasons. That said, there sure are a whole lot more folks out there, with more cameras at the ready, than there were when I was running around in the Sierras..

I'm like you guys too, in that having lived in areas that supposedly hold populations of the squatches, I've run across a fella or two who worked remotely and had some experiences they'd prefer to never have again. And I think there was one, who like renegade and his haint, who would never go back to the particular location where he saw something.

I have a tendency to think these things might be unprovable in normal terms.

As far as the 300-400 lbs body weight I can ask a couple girls I know! 😁

Interesting story:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidb...d-anthropological-fraud/?sh=4a9510f14d25

Bruce

Surveyors, prospectors, timber cruisers, rockhounds, hunters of every type- cats, bears, elk, sheep, deer, mushrooms, birds, etc, fur trappers, thru-hikers, Rock scramblers and mountain climbers, botanists (ever read about some of the hikes that David Douglas went on? How about that poor bugger John Day?), desperados and the men that chased them, snowmobilers, ice climbers, etc etc etc. The list is nearly endless.

As dear and important to our Western psyches as true wilderness is, I believe ALL of the PNW has been walked on. Sure there are some small pockets that are less often visited.. and even less often than that talked about by the guys that regularly hunt them, but still..

Geno, More than 40 years ago I was getting out the old 1950s topos of our beloved High Sierras and looking specifically for small lakes that had no name and no trail associated. I'd spend a couple of weeks each summer building a x-country loop trail of my own to visit these places. If *I* was doing it... Well... I'm sure it wasn't the only fella that came up with the idea.

Aces
The North Cascades... Are so 'wild' that you have to wait in line to reserve a permit to camp there. Same with much of the Sierras.
To imagine that there are still drainages etc that have not been explored is fantasy. Don't get me wrong, I wish it were true.. unfortunately it just is not.

To the larger question of Bigfoot being real.. certainly seems to be real in the human psyche. European and native American.
I too have known more than one old timer who had an incredible story. Something they couldn't account for, And neither can I.

You're an idiot. In 67 years of hunting A Lot I've seen many things. WTH would I carry a heavy camera around in 1959 or 1975 or in 1982, or 1991...? I wasn't out there to show off what I killed.

Stupid mofo comment.

Alcohol driven excuse...

Tip another one...

Projection, nothing but projection.

You really are a fool.

Aces
The North Cascades... Are so 'wild' that you have to wait in line to reserve a permit to camp there. Same with much of the Sierras.
To imagine that there are still drainages etc that have not been explored is fantasy. Don't get me wrong, I wish it were true.. unfortunately it just is not.

To the larger question of Bigfoot being real.. certainly seems to be real in the human psyche. European and native American.
I too have known more than one old timer who had an incredible story. Something they couldn't account for, And neither can I.

The truth is that Bigfoot exist only to those that want to believe. No different than Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny…

Apparently for the same reason that hunters want the biggest and best of any species on the wall. This would be the biggest, the best, and the onlyest.

[quote=MAC][quote=barm]

I would bet you have not read one book on the subject in which you pretend to be an expert. Teddy Roosevelt wrote in the "Wilderness Hunter" about a mountain man who said exactly what you say never happened. Do some research on the subject. There are newspaper articles dating back to the 1680's and into the 1900's talking about bigfoot, wildmen, and giants. The Native Americans have known of their existence long before a white man ever set foot on this land. Sasquatch is probably one the easiest things to prove if you look into it.

You say the events concerning Boone and Crockett are somehow are meaningless. How do events published after someone dies discredit what is said? The New Testament was written after Jesus was dead, so by your reasoning I guess he did not exist or rise from the dead?

Here is the truth. The powerful elites have controlled what we see and what we hear and what we read for a long time. Would Fox News or CNN have to tell you that Sasquatch are real? How about a college professor? Or better yet, how about one of those 3-letter government agencies? They have a great track record for telling the truth in recent times, i.e. Kennedy's Assassination, Weapons of Mass Destruction, The 911 Report, Covid 19. We have been conditioned to seek answers from the places that the elites control. We are led around by the nose given just enough grain and theater to keep us from getting too upset. We are always in an endless loop of war with some enemy to unite us all. We are always divided (Republican/Democrat, Black/White, Pro-Life/Pro-Choice, Stand for the anthem/kneel for the anthem). They don't want us to like or talk to each other. Otherwise we would unite and go to each other for answers/solutions instead of them.

Imagine if the person you trusted the most in this world came to you and said they saw a Sasquatch. Would you call them gullible? Would you question their grey matter? If you did, you are merely doing what you have been programmed to do. Conditioned to laugh and make fun of anyone who disagrees with what you have been taught. We the people have the power not them.

Here is another thing to consider. What if there is another being on this planet who shares DNA with humans, does not need fire or clothing to survive, can travel anywhere on this planet, does not pay taxes, or swear an allegiance to any country? Don't you think those who control us would hate for that to come out? We wouldn't need them, would we? We have been fooled and tricked into forgetting why we are here, what we can really do, and who is really in charge. A Great Awakening is happening and many things are coming to light. Keep an open mind and don't let them turn us against each other.

Surveyors, prospectors, timber cruisers, rockhounds, hunters of every type- cats, bears, elk, sheep, deer, mushrooms, birds, etc, fur trappers, thru-hikers, Rock scramblers and mountain climbers, botanists (ever read about some of the hikes that David Douglas went on? How about that poor bugger John Day?), desperados and the men that chased them, snowmobilers, ice climbers, etc etc etc. The list is nearly endless.

As dear and important to our Western psyches as true wilderness is, I believe ALL of the PNW has been walked on. Sure there are some small pockets that are less often visited.. and even less often than that talked about by the guys that regularly hunt them, but still..

Geno, More than 40 years ago I was getting out the old 1950s topos of our beloved High Sierras and looking specifically for small lakes that had no name and no trail associated. I'd spend a couple of weeks each summer building a x-country loop trail of my own to visit these places. If *I* was doing it... Well... I'm sure it wasn't the only fella that came up with the idea.

So many seem quick to deny the existence of something they know little or nothing about.

It's not as if they claim for it to have been seen walking on water or rising from the dead.

They are just out there layin' low and doing the stuff that they do.

Oh boy.....So there is an army of Bigfoots (Bigfeet?) out there that the Gov't is hiding from us? Got it.

Unless these things have all been signed up for high-quality Obamacare, sooner or later one of them is going to die.......

I will be waiting.

Why would American natives call them skunk apes? There are no apes of any kind north of central America. What would they be comparing them to?

Mac is right. If Bigfoot had existed, one of the old time hunters like Ben Lilly would have bagged several of them.

Not to mention the millions of trail cameras posted ALL Over AMERICA. And still not one REAL photo. Not one.

LOL, I would suggest to you there is a very good reason we know little or nothing about them......

See what I mean? "Geno was here" scratched into a tree everywhere I went!

The truth is that Bigfoot exist only to those that want to believe. No different than Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny…

There are still, as unbelievable as it is to some, areas of the Mountain West that have never had a (European) footprint touch that ground.

Is that the guy Flave delivered beer to?

Because someone "walked" there at one point in time doesn't mean that Bigfoot doesn't exist. What if it was hiding from that person that walked there at one point in time or what if it was a mile away from where someone walked at one point in time?

Hunters have walked past way more than one smart old buck that was bedded a few feet away.

I really lean on the side of skeptical that they exist even with all the reported encounters but saying something doesn't exist because a human walked through it's habitat is not much of an argument.

For me, it was eye opening when I flew in a plane over the Rockies for the first time at 35,000 feet. We humans are mere spec's on this planet.

I don't think so. I live in the Sierras and have spent loads of time all over the area and I doubt very much there are parts of here that no White man has touched. If that were the case we wouldn't be arguing over reintroduction of bears and wolves and lions because they'd never have been hunted out.

And as far as this particular Bigfoot, it was in the backyard of these guys so I expect it was one of them. They dress up in Bigfoot costumes at RV shows so they probably have a closet full of them.

This is a good thread though. It has opened my eyes to how dear Bigfoot is in the hearts of many users here, what with the outpouring of emotion and the like. Really deeply thought out heartfelt arguments for their existence.

For the record Santa Claus is real. He drives a late 90's Chevy and I've got photographic proof.

Nah, I'm a naturalist.

I just pee on scheidt to leave my mark, like the dog I am

Rooster,
Fair enough, friend.
But the line you highlighted was my response directed at an earlier post in this thread roughly stating that 'there are unlimited tracts of the PNW that no person of European decent has ever visited.'

Anyway. I've found skeletons of grizzly and moose (WY) but never a Sassy. That dead cat pic was something else too.
Carry on...