CA deputies "fired shots to scare the lion away".... sad news but seriously didn't try to shoot it???

El Dorado county deputies didn't shoot to kill the SOB?

Wonder if they were avoiding hitting the victim as he was being fed on?

Damn shame as they were not even born when they placed a moratorium on killing cougars. Those that voted to stop hunting them get no sympathy from me.

"California Department of Fish and Wildfire

Now there's accuracy in reporting for you. Oh well, ignorant yuppie pap dispensers strike again.

Sorry the youth was killed. California is over run with Mountain lions, ever since anti-hunting liberals voted to "Ban All Mountain Lion Hunting" initiative years ago.

It'll happen again.

L.W.

Huh, interesting.

OK different report, sounds like they did try to kill it.

Department of Fish and Wildfire she said. oops

Double wow, check out some of the comments:


@masonb.newkirk3266
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Why wouldn't the cops have brought a tranquilizer gun instead? Killing the mountain lion solves nothing! They could have easily stunned and relocated him. It's graphic, but I want to make it clear: those two brothers walked into the mountain lion's territory. The mountain lion didn't show up in the town and attack them randomly; they took a chance and placed themselves in the mountain lion's habitat.

Hopefully they find a dead lion tomorrow.

Every time there's one of these type reports they come out of the woodwork it seems.

According to a local rancher he lost a calf to wolves recently. F&G won't confirm it was a kill as the carcass wasn't recovered when they got there, but his cattle feeder guys saw the wolves on the carcass and apparently they have some cam pics or such. Not far from our place from what I've heard, maybe 4-5 miles.

The comments section is open... I almost never reply to crazy people but if you would like to bitch slap some of the stupid people this might be a good chance. Try not to get the comments shut down though....

Comments shut off now.

Too bad , I had a good one.

Damn, that's to bad.... Say, it wasn't someone here that got them shut down was it?

My Livestock guardian dogs came from Garden Valley. It's tiny, more a geographic area than a population center.

Have to ask the breeder what she's heard on the grapevine.

The stupid people in CA passed a law protecting mountain lions from being hunted. So we have a lot more of them and law enforcement is discouraged from killing them.

We are even more fugged since they banned hound hunting of bears…. Lots of lions got treed by those dogs….. we are being overrun with predators…. Maybe these wetbacks will develop a taste for mountain lion?

.....or vise virsa!

Few less calipornians won't hurt a damn thing.

Not long after that ban went into effect a woman was killed while jogging. The cat was killed and discovered to have cubs. Two funds were set up. One for the cubs and one for the woman's children. Guess which one got the most money?

Or the other way around?

During my elk hunting days my biggest worry was being attacked by a lion. Sitting on stand hidden from view as the sun was setting always freaked me out. In 10 years of hunting I never saw one but I wasn't alone because their tracks were there

Things can happen in the woods. Sadly, they mostly happen to the wrong people. GD

I guarantee it wasn’t even close. Gold plated Cubs. Poverty Orphans.

So the hand saw the wolves on the calf and didn't get at least 1 killed??

That dude would be hunting a new job.

Not good

I know jack [bleep] about Mtn Lions.

Are they like coyote or hogs in that you can hunt the crap out of them and kill a pile of them and they just bounce their population right back up if you dont keep hammering them?

Would killing a bunch one year make a big dent?

Anyone owning cattle needs to keep a rifle at hand at ALL times. In 30 years as a game warden I never once charged or even looked into a man killing predators for harassing livestock. A lot of predators went from outlaw status to protected during my lifetime.

The black vulture is one of the worst on newborn calves, goats, etc., or they will eat the backend out of a cow in labor. There used to always be a few around, now with protection the population has boomed. 50 will surround a cow and newborn calf.

Killing a bunch would make a quick dent that might take years to fill. Population-wise lions ain't like coyotes nor do they have as many young. With good dogs, snow machines, gps collars, good tracking conditions, they can be knocked back, if allowed.

Lions reproduce slowly, maybe 1-2 kittens that survive more than a few months, every other year, max for adult females. I've never seen a female that had more than two kittens with her. Adult males kill young kittens when they get the chance.

Probably as much as anything that boosts the lion population, in states that have pursuit seasons, is most houndsmen only take males. When you take an adult male out of the picture more kittens survive and disperse.

all`s i can say is i have 220 Swift and 12 gauge in my truck , i always carry concealed and when in the mountains or woods a x-draw holster with a 357 mag. Ruger with hard lead bear bullets. oh i almost forgot an ax and a shovel in the truck too , we won`t go into my surprises in my home !

I remember when that happened.... Shows the stupidity of a good percentage of California's citizens...

Then we are lucky enough to get plenty of those idiots who move up I 5 to Washington and Oregon, to turn those states into California clones, minus the population issues CA has....

And its not like Wash and Oregon don't have their own stupid idiots.. courtesy of legalization of drug use.. where we have drug users from all over the nation, move here so they can legally eventually Overdose themselves....

to quote Forrest Gump... Stupid is as Stupid Does.

Problem is most cannot keep their lips sealed when they do have to do something.

You are correct. Stay quiet when you solve a problem and when they come to see you because your phone was tracked to the scene just politely say "I am not going to make any statements". Just because you were around in the general time frame will not convict you.

Dont even go to the actual scene. Also a good reason to leave the phone on the microwave if you think you will be involved in such activities.

Wasn't that many years ago, I was out hunting by myself at altitude, down on the Oregon California line. It was snowing pretty hard.. Had my 4 Runner with me.

Walked down a logging trail, that got narrower and narrower with heavy brush on each side. It finally ended at a cliff, that had been mined some. Evidently a long time ago...When I turned around to go back to my truck, I didn't get too many yards back up that trail, when I see fresh lion paw prints in the snow! A cougar had followed me down that road. Never saw or heard it. Especially wouldn't have in the snow that was falling. One the way back, I saw there the tracks had came out of the brush.

Needless to say, the hair on the back or my neck was standing up and I was on HIGH ALERT with my rifle ready to go and I kept turning around to see if it was following me, down the trail and back to my truck. Made it back to my truck, and decided to just take a nap. It was about noon and I'd been up since like 4 AM to get out there. Think I slept for an hour.

upon waking up, get my rifle out and get out of the truck. Cougar prints up to my truck and actually circled my truck 3 times. Put the rifle back in the truck, started the engine and left.


Why I never got jumped? I believe it was having a rifle with me. Those cats know what one is, especially if they have been shot at. That is probably what saved me from becoming cougar crap that time.


When I first moved here to Oregon, I was out and was hiking, looking for deer sign, on a logging road, up at altitude. Had my head down as it was snowing pretty hard. I was just carrying a 22 Mag rifle with me. The hair went up on the back of my neck, and I looked up and there was a curve in the road ahead of me by 100 yds. There was a cougar on a rock, in a position readying to pounce down upon the road. I pulled up the rifle and aimed it at the cat's face and started walking toward it. It got out of that crowched position and snarled at me a couple of times. I put a shot into the rock ledge just below its feet. It jumped at the shot and the rock flying when the bullet hit. I kept on walking toward it and just talking out loud. It took off after one more last snarl.

My underwear wasn't full of poop, but I bet my Blood Pressure was 300 over 300, and I was wired like I just ate an entire bottle of speed. I definitely was sweating....

Had been in that situation with a black bear or two in my lifetime. Glad it worked on Cougars also. These young guys in CA that just had the experience of meeting a cougar evidently weren't armed. I never go in the back country unarmed around this place.

Pete 53 you you need to move to calipornia and straighten those fugs out. Only thing that will fix it. Mb

Mountain lions in California seem to be getting bolder. This was an attack on two adult men. Historically most lion attacks were on children, or occasionally one smaller adult. It looks like many years of no hunting have conditioned lions to have very little fear of people. Not a good trend.

Ya left out the 85 lb Northern Pike watching it all go down from the Doug Fir.

Lonny;
Top of the morning to you sir, I hope your part of Idaho is getting some sun this morning like we are.

It's a tough thing to read about the young fellows getting attacked like that, my prayers are with the family and friends dealing with it.

To be clear I'm the furthest thing from a cougar anything, but have known and do know some houndsmen as well as try to keep up to date with our ungulate populations which of course are affected by predator numbers.

As you mentioned, the hunters typically take males and big ones at that.

We had a 2 cougar a year limit a decade or more back as the MoE decided there were too many, but then again it was the same MoE that banned grizzly hunting so there is that.

If you've ever talked to a bio who was involved with tracking collared cougars, some of them run huge loops of territory. One that comes to mind that I was told about went well into Washington in run that would have been at least 100 miles north to south, but less east west as it was circling the valley more or less.

Lately the populations here seem to have dropped off some and as a guess on my part and a wild one at that Lonny, the only thing that might have caused that is we've had the wolves move in big time on the mountain behind the house.

Prior to that the houndsmen would take at least one or two big toms within less than half an hour of our place, for sure though depending on the conditions you've noted such as snow, the dogs in the pack, etc.

As far as attacks go here in BC, I want to say they're not unheard of with 5 deaths over a century, so not nothing, but certainly our black and grizzly bears attack and also kill many more people here than the cats.

Thanks for your thoughts, they line up with what we've learned up here as well.

Dwayne

Kill a mountain lion in CA and you will go to jail. Hell they won't even allow you to have a mountain lion skin if you legally shoot one in another state. Several years ago they fired the head of the state game dept because he shot a lion in ID. Crazy state ran by morons.

Good to hear from you Dwayne. We're getting rain, but I ain't complaining as we need it. It seems anymore we always need rain and snowpack was very light this year on top of it.

Those big males cover lots of ground. The dispersing younger cats also seem to cover lots of ground trying to find their own territory. A number of years ago, a young male lion, came from central Oregon and ended up in central Idaho. Hundreds of miles and two major river crossings.

A guy, now dead, who was a lifelong houndsman and hound breeder from MT, said when hound hunters started letting females go, and only taking mature males is when the population started to rise in the Bitteroot Valley. This was late 80's early 90's. We saw the same rise here around that time. It seems to have now declined from those years.

I do think wolves have an impact as they take over any lion kill they find requiring the lion to find another deer or elk.

People seem to be crazy scared of lions thinking they are behind every tree. Things do happen at times, but in reality, a guy is more likely to be in a car wreck, struck by lightening, or get hurt falling out of bed. My youngest brother has hiked and mtn biked thousands of miles all over, ID, MT, WY and has seen more lions than most ever dream of seeing and he only recently started carrying a pistol and that was for the human predators.

Colorado is dead set to out law lion hunting. I upset one a few years back elk hunting. Followed me making a "aroof" growl for a half hour. Never saw it or even could tell for sure the direction of sound. I've seen the trail cams of pouncing on deer--me and my .41 seem outclassed. Queeksdraw I ain't

As for California's carrying. The culture frowns, note the comment about why are you hiking anyway.

This may sound insensitive but I support the reduction of leftist scum by any means necessary. Mountain lions are logical creatures, to them if idiots are going to provide themselves as a defenseless food source why blame the lion?

Not only insensitive, but dumbass as well.

Why do you ASSume they were lefties? Because they live in CA?

Lots of good folk live in CA, and the state of the state doesn’t reflect their politics, beliefs, or morals.

Two young men out shed hunting, if I had to bet I’d say they were hunters, and just maybe Right leaning, if not full-on Red supporters.

So don’t be a dick.

Unless you were trying to be funny, in which case you failed.





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Kenny D, I wouldn't worry that your .41 Magnum isn't sufficient for protection against a Mountain lion. When I lived in California, I became friends with a professional lion and bear guide, a houndsman, who had killed a bunch of them over the years. His primary lion firearm was a Ruger Single Action in .22 Magnum. He said it would kill a Mountain lion quicker than a cat can lick his azz. His rifle he carried for Black bear was an old Winchester 94 Trapper in .30-30 WCF.

He was quite a hunter. When Calif. libs got lion and bear hunting banned and curtailed, he took his hounds and moved to Idaho/Nevada and later to Montana.

EDIT: Most of those bliss ninnies commenting idiotically about "being in the lion's territory," ad nauseum, have never been off the concrete sidewalks, streets, and highways ..... and think you, I, we, should not venture off concrete, either.

L.W.

I heard a Marlin in 35 Rem. will kill a Ca MT.lion, at least thats what a friend told me .

Yep, deader than a burnt boot!

L.W.

Wow.

Wow, is right !
Relocate them in SF maybe.

Very sad for those young people and their families.

I’ve posted this before as it occurred back in January of ‘21 and my other anecdotes predate that. But I was at an area range one day with my wife who was sipping coffee in the truck as it was a single digit day.

I had worked one rifle and joined her for a break and a hot cup of coffee. At one point as we were faced down range we both looked at each other with incredulity and said something like, “did you just see that”?

The simple range is only a hundred yard one with a giant birm behind the target. Behind the birm is the Rock River with a fair amount of riverine brush.

A cougar came out of the brush and walked calmly out in front of the birm. This is NW Iowa! And on the west side of a fair sized town. And about three hundred yards behind a Bomgaars store.

There have been other sightings, some road kills, and several shot over the years. It wasn’t long ago that the DNR dogma was that they don’t exist in Iowa and that reporters must have just seen a nice yellow lab. All of which is why I waited a couple of weeks before calling the regional game warden.

As I finally walked toward the target area it blew up out from behind the target frame at about thirty yards and was over the 13’ birm in a tawny blur.

I expected Mr game warden to be in denial and a bit condescending. But, “oh yeah, we’ve had some other reports on that guy. Probably a male that got pushed out of his territory. Appreciate the call.”

I know the Loess Hills of western Iowa, paralleling the Missouri River, holds the big cats. Maybe not very many but I know they are some there. As someone indicated above, it adds some spice to be up against a tree in the spring and trying to call in a Turkey.

I have now seen two in the “wild” but never would have expected this one where it was. It was actually a pretty neat experience.

Edit: I should have added, it must have been there for awhile acclimating to regular gun fire. It seemed calm and unfazed.

That is one way to look at it. But perhaps it is more likely that the foolish hunting ban has resulted in their population encroaching into more populated areas once naturally made safer because of the presence of hunters. This incident occurred not much more than 50 miles from the center of the state's capitol.

So true, Lonny.
They are thick up at camp here. I downloaded a pic of another yesterday off one of the cameras. Seems like I have one every couple weeks when I make the rounds.
Last winter (heavier snow than this one) the elk herd was bedding within 200 yards of the shop.
The wolves had showed up and the elk were hanging close. I found 3 cat kills of elk within 200. On 2 of them the wolves stole the buried remains. I’d get wolf & cat pics (in the dark) on the same night. I found other cat kills on deer & elk further out. Put up cameras and got some good pics. Lots with mom & 2 cubs.
I really need to take the time to figure out how to call them. Did get one one morning that came up from the creek bottom to sit in the sun. I was sitting looking at deer in the rut, so he had no clue I was around.

Just found out I know them, sad news. Lived about 3 miles from my property in Ca.

Wage, Sounds like you got lots of predator action in your area. I remember when you shared the story of getting a lion while deer hunting. Most people, even those who spend quite a bit of time out and about rarely, if ever, see one. Good going.

Kenster, dang that's sure too bad. Sorry to hear that.

Or vice versa.

If ya can’t get rid of the lions, put’em to work.

DF

So were they leftist scum who deserved to die, according to rickt300?





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You can pass along my condolences to the family, as well as wishes for a speedy recovery of the younger brother.


To the thread in general: The attack on a young woman mentioned earlier in the thread also happened in Eldorado county.

Not trying to be funny, unarmed hikers are free food for bears and lions. Republicans recognize these risks and act accordingly. Whatever your political bent if you don't make any effort to recognize risk then a low IQ individual is better fed to the animals and removed from the gene pool. Just because they were shed hunting does not make them right leaning. In Wyoming I ran into a couple of Japanese guys shed hunting during elk season. Planning on grinding the horn into powder and selling it on the black market for boner medication. And if I choose to be a DICK it is still a free country.

However no one said they deserved to die, only that they took a risk and paid the price for it.

2ndwind: Sad.
And a shame.
I also remember when there was a bounty on Mt. Lions in taxington - we had wonderful Mule Deer and Mt. Goat Hunting back then and folks were safe in the woods.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

I think these large predators need to know humans hunt them or they begin to see humans as just more prey. My friend who used to live in Alaska said our grizzly bears in island Park are much bolder and more aggressive than those in Alaska. He thinks it's because the Alaskan ones are still hunted and recognize humans as a predator to be weary of.

Bb

As an aside, when I first started deer hunting in Fall of 1963 in Calif, there was an open season on Mountain lions. You did not need a tag but you were required to have a valid hunting license. There was no limit on how many you could shoot as they were classified as "pests." Realistically you'd have been lucky to shoot one. They're rather secretive and stealthy. From 1963 until 1997 when we left, I saw three and I was up in the mountains a lot. Did not shoot at any as I had no chance.

FWIW.

L.W.

Amen,brother.

These kids wernt leftists, scum, or idiots . Proud family of hunters, and loved the outdoors.
I havnt heard the full story yet , as far as them being armed, etc. In contact with a family member, so will find out soon enough
I know the father was a hunting guide, Republican, and gun lover. Its a shame you lump Ca. people into one group, far from the truth.

Back tracking...

Got an observation and question, I live in the fakahatchee preserve in SW FL, I encounter Fl panthers,what you guys out west call mountain lions, all the time. Just walked up to a female with two kittens a few weeks ago, I have never had any signs of aggression from any encounters and I do not know of any recorded attacks in FL. Why do you think the western cats so much more aggressive. Our cats were crossbred with Texas cats about 20 years ago because of our shrinking habitat and resulting inbreeding but the even before that they never showed any aggression. Maybe us Floridians just don't taste as good.

fakahatchee;
Good afternoon, well evening no doubt for you all, welcome to the 'Fire from just across the medicine line in south central BC.

Again with the firm understanding I'm an expert in not very much and big cats aren't part of that.

When we have a bad winter here, it's not unusual at all for ranch and rez horses to get clipped by a cougar.

As well I recall hearing that the late guide outfitter from one valley east of us was pushing a big tom one winter and it killed 3 adult moose in a bit more than a week. He figured that was unusual and it wouldn't have done that if they hadn't been pushing it.

Still and all, one has to imagine wrestling a horse or moose down with your teeth and claws when it outweighs you several fold and isn't remotely interested in going gently into any good night has to take a fair amount of determination.

If I was guessing then and for sure it's that - a guess - I'd guess maybe it's somewhat learned behavior in that the western ones learn to kill bigger stuff and more variety of stuff.

Again welcome to the 'Fire.

Dwayne

Used to be decent deer hunting around Stumpy Meadows Reservoir and Uncle Tom's cabin outside of Georgetown. My deep condolences to the family.

I had a coworker that told the story of his grandfather riding fence on horseback in the snow when a mountain lion in a tree jumped on his back and killed him.

Loved Stumpy Meadows and Hell Hole area . Me and some highschool friends would take an aluminum boat to the east end, and camp next to the Rubicon river . Would usualy stay 5-7 days, and not see another sole . No trouble with lions then , they were legally hunted , but plenty of rattlers.

Thanks for the welcome, been a lurker for years. The ease of finding an easy meal might be part of it, there is a lot more panthers than there was 30 years ago and they sure are doing a number on our deer and hog population.I've got about 15 deer that I feed on my property every day and we lost one of our older does last Dec. to a panther, found her remains, all covered up, about a 1/4mile from the house.We lose half of the fawns every year to panthers, bobcats and bears.

let`s put it this way : did or do these critters have a collar on their neck ? that`s how you decide ?

You noticed that too, eh?

He’s right, it’s a free country, he can show his ass all he wants. I didn’t expect the cowardice, though.




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But, if you consider the source, is it all that unexpected?

Not sure what you mean, if you are referring to the deer, they are wild and come and go as they please, just enjoy there presence. I know panthers got to eat.

So, two young guys, out shed hunting, in a very rural area, are likely to be "leftist scum"?

Hi fakahatchee. I tend to doubt the western cats are more aggressive than your Florida cats. Just thousands more lions spread out over numerous states out west and the odds catch up every so often and somebody gets attacked. Out west, virtually anyplace that has brush or trees for cover and deer, will have a lion using the area when they make their rounds.

Now you know as much as they are telling us. I don't personally know the rancher, or if he allows/insists his hands bring a rifle with them or carry. I also don't know if he'd pay the legal fees were one of his hands to kill and endangered species while performing duties for him. That would probably cost him quite a bit more than the value of the dead calf. Also, according to this story, there is no proof the wolf/wolves killed the calf, just that one was eating on it.

So the hand saw the wolves on the calf and didn't get at least 1 killed??

That dude would be hunting a new job.[/quote]

Why? Because he didn't tell everyone every detail about what happened? Most of the time it's best to shut up.

We've spent hours and hours out in our local "woods" Lonny and the only lion we've seen is one my wife saw from her car when it crossed the road as she was headed to work 5 or 6 years back.

That doesn't count all the time I worked in the woods in NorCal doing stream surveys for a timber company, or all the hunting time I've put in while living in various states including up by you. We did have at least one come through the housing area at Lower Granite as I was driving in one night after work. Ran down the road in front of my car.

Condolences to their family from Alturas.

Oregon has a lot of cats.

In all my years in the woods I’ve only seen one cat, and that was when I was driving home off Wolf Mountain outside of Oakridge, OR, after bow hunting. It ran across the logging road in front of me and disappeared into the reprod.





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We might have crossed paths at some point, kenster99. Lots of stories about trout fishing the Hell Hole and the rattlers are no joke.

A few years ago we had 8-10 LEO’s following the crik 50’ from my back door. A couple of guys hanging Christmas lights on a house had watched one walk up the crik bottom and disappear into the cattail swamp. Last year one of our neighbors, coming home from the late shift at the hospital, watched one cross the road in front of her. They are here in the suburbs of Omaha, but seem well behaved enough…

Geno, it seems that spotting one crossing the road at night is where most people get their lion sighting.

I'd love to be able to watch one make a kill on a deer.

Again, wow. Check the comments. Also they show a clip of a restrained lion with a dart in it's butt?

Used to hunt coyotes in this area around Y2K with a .223 Contender. Still remember walking into a gas station and reading the headlines on a newspaper in Placerville about mountain lions spotted in town. In some places we are not at the top of the food chain and there are things out there that will hurt you. Just a thought.

Lonnie, saw one take down a fawn on my property, actually heard the death cry first. That same year I had seen 7 on my property alone. Maybe some of the same lion , but many more on my way home .
They need to be hunted again , its crazy.

I haven't had that pleasure yet, just the road crossing type of encounters. I count myself lucky as I've think I'm up to having seen around 5 total now that way.

And things like this, after getting up from eating lunch on a hunt down near Sedona I walked about 30 feet from where I'd been sitting and ran across tracks from only a day or so before. I kept my eyes a little further after knowing it was in the area recently

Having changed locality, seems I went from being a bit spooked by lions to alligators.
Neither make me panicky, but when recreating in areas I know either are likely present, I tend to pay a bit more attention. Especially with the kids and dogs.


While it’s obviously far easier to spot alligators, it’s always the one you don’t see that poses the problems. Unless of course you are a complete idiot. Seems gators get a few of those every year. I’m

There are a lot of them in South tx, but I've only seen 2 in the wild in my 60 years, plenty of tracks, and occasional road kill. The brush down here is so thick you're lucky to ever see one.

Used to run them with a buddy who had dogs so I got to see a fair number of them up close and personal. They seem to be like most cats in that they have a lot of speed but not a whole lot of stamina. The dogs would usually tree them up pretty quickly unless the cat lost them using the terrain. One old tom went down a narrow ledge along a cliff face and the dogs followed. The Tom eventually turned around and killed two of the three dogs before being dispatched with a 357.

Another time we were running trap lines and found one in a set. You’ve never seen fury until you get a choke pole around one of those things neck! They’ve got the look of death in their eyes as they literally tear the hell out of anything within the radius of the chain. It’s Tasmanian devil a la bugs bunny cartoons until they choke down. You have about a minute to get them out of the trap and the choke pole off of them before they come to. I can somewhat imagine what that poor 21 YO and the 18 YO went through. What a horrible experience for them and their family! Our ancestors killed them for good reasons

Mtn Lions are good at what they do & when......kill

One deer a week is the average......stats say

Sad deal for these brothers.....even a gun.....bear spray may have made a difference

Cats are elusive and smart

CA F&G may need to change Reg's and remove a few

Utah in fact has lowered the cat's protection here

Anyone with a small game tag can 'tag' one w/o 'drawing' a tag

Uncertain of the exact tag time frames

They thrive in winter range/shed hunting areas in winter/spring

Very close to my foothills looking for these guys (pic 2)

Be aware....watch your back always

RIP Taylen.

On the four wheeler earlier today on my dirt road and drove up to what I think was the same female I saw a month ago, just had one cub with her, the little one has grown to about 30 lbs, stopped 20 yards from her and she waited for the cub to cross the grade to the same side she was on and they walked into the oak hammock, She showed no aggression and really no fear. Most of the cats I encounter are kind of ambivalent to my presence. Panthers have never been hunted here so maybe that's why they are so mellow. There biggest threat is getting hit on roads, lose more than a dozen each year in my county.

Take a good look, rickt300.

Are these the lefties that deserve reduction by any means necessary?

I’m still amazed by the totality of your assholiness.





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Agreed , need to figure out how to put that prick and some others on ignore.!
They are/ were good guys, one going to school to be a firefighter, the other painting houses and cutting selling firewood.

Rest in peace Taylen .

Very sad. Do you think California's gun laws had anything to do with why they didn't have a gun on them? One was old enough to own a handgun.

Bb

Carry a gun.

Fųck the law.

Just don’t tell anyone.

Edit to add, I’m kinda waiting hear what rickt300 has to say. He’s been absent after stepping on his pencil dick.






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When I lived in Calif.,A person could carry a NONconcealed handgun when hunting. Had to have a hunting license. One could always claim "Just hunting coyotes, sir." As for shed hunting?? I don't know. I always had a handgun with me up in the mountains, whether hunting or not. The liberals have changed a lot of firearms laws since we left in Nov., 1997. I am not familiar with the firearms laws there now.

L.W.

That's what the wolf re-introduction lovers won't tell you. Most the time ranchers are not getting re-imbursed for their livestock losses. The ranchers here in Arizona only have about a 40% success rate of getting money from the government for their livestock losses to wolves.

Sounds like you need to go "yote" hunting and shut the hell up..

Screw that, the Mexican gray wolves here are treated like gold and they may all even be chipped. They are constantly watched and studied by people. If one of them gets out of the boundaries of the territory they want them in, they will track it for miles and bring it back. They tracked one all the way from Arizona to the Rockies in the central part of New Mexico and brought it back...

If you shoot one here, I get the feeling you'd be looking over your shoulder the rest of your life just waiting to be found out no matter how deep you buried it or how quiet you were about it.