I'd like to think this is bogus.

SOMEONE,......please tell me it's a figment of an overactive do-down-down.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

GTC

Posted that one a few days ago too. Did a little research on the guy. He seems to be a credble guy and public figure. He has campaigned against global warming legislation and he used to work for Margret Thatcher. Rush and Levin both brought up this clip in their shows in the last couple days too.

He'll sign it. Whether the senate will ratify it is another story.

The reason Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize is to pander to his ego to sell the US down the tubes. To him, the Nobel Peace Prize and his ego is more important than POTUS.

Didn't mean to do a second hand, second fiddle,....if this is remotely, or vaguely possible it should be front and center and well centered in hostile sights.

What's so sad is that one can hear this stuff,....and give it creedence,..........we'd have called it a loony rave,....not all that long ago.

That sucks,

GTC

Here you go.

http://www.pnj.com/article/20090922/NEWS01/90922013/1006/RSS01

My Lord,......

Thanks CY,

This don' look to good,.....

GTC

If there was ever a better example of High Treason, I don't know what it is. I wish you'd have put a more inflammatory title on this thread.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=47042

Can the President just sign it, or does Congress have to act? Congress had to act on NAFTA and GATT. That last isn't very encouraging though.

I already emailed this clip link to every person I know and suggest everyone else do the same. This thing needs to go viral.

Good Plan,.....happening here,.....pronto

GTC

there you go,

GTC

Mucho better amigo. Gracias.

Just wish the discussed "Problem" was that easy to feex.

GTC

The real treason is the thought that you can have "free trade"
with a bunch of Chinese Communist sumbitches.
When they get tired of funding our debt.And they will.
We will be Ceding Soveriegnity.
Pretty simple.
All so that the repblow-craps can give there campaign contributors a higher stock price.
dave

This has been brought up before. A dangerous road we're on.

Very dangerous for those who violate oaths, purport to be in service of their electorate....

Perhaps not now, but millions of eyes and minds aren't crystals of sand......and Newtons Laws may be political AND physical.

Nobody's interested? Huh. Guess it must not be important...

More important than Newton's law is the Law of Unintended Consequences.

53% of voters just elected a naked Communist, what do you expect? There was no real subterfuge involved aside from the media portrayal. All the info that is now being confirmed was available long before Obama was elected.

The only folks who are concerned about this thing that is happening, are those who are willing to realize what is happening.

I'd guess, as a percentage, it is less than three percent of the voting public...let alone the public in general.

Things are not rock bottom enough, yet, for people to disturb their daily routine.

Stuff is going to have to get terribly adverse before any meaningful number of folks get concerned. The unfortunate reality, which can primarily be blamed on the public acceptance of government education, is that it will be far too late when people realize what is taking place...if they ever do.

Gosh, guess this isn't important.

Would love to see somebody say something about this or does our sovereignty as a nation no longer matter what with the stock market and all?

It is sickening! I am forwarding the clip to everyone that I know.

Damned old Chinese proverb/curse...........

"May you live in interesting times."

That, and a Thomas Jefferson quote keep popping up in my head.

Can't figure why, though we may find out in our lifetimes.

The sovereignty issue is THE most important to me, yet you would think that even some of the JeffO's out there would take note of their boy giving away all this money to other countries in the midst of the worst economic crisis of our lifetimes.

Why would the JeffObamas of the world care about that? They have their messiah, and will follow him to the end. Might be a pun there, as appropriate.

When a person has a belief in collectivism, this is what you see. Whether it is collective guilt, collective farming, or "sharing" you do not see acceptance of individual responsibilty. Keep an eye on the supporters of this tripe and the real enemies will define themselves.

"the real enemies will define themselves."
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They have. For decades now. Fed gov't as a whole, the way I see it.

Next in line would be the media.

Keep your powder dry.

No, I think what you will see is individuals who have an agenda of their own that puts them at top dog position. If it was anywhere NEAR as organized as you say, we would have long since been toast.

Anybody who supports this is a traitor. I think we can all agree on that. Where is JeffO when you need a whipping boy?

There you guys go again, picking on poor old Jeff one more time.

It is sometimes hard for the the common man to believe that the "people in charge" can be as stupid as they seem, fueling conspiracy theories. My work forces me to deal with them daily and I assure you that they are,indeed,as stupid as they seem.

It's time for a change we can believe in.

This is absolutely true. I've read the document and it confirms what he said.

I believe any and all elected officials that vote to cede US sovereignty should be summarily executed.

No trial is necessary as there is no defense for surrendering our nations independence.

Legislators believe they are untouchable as the Legislative branch does not fall under the authority of the Executive or Judicial branch. They are implicitly protected from punishment for actions they take as a legislator. They have forgotten "the people" are the ultimate authority.

"They have forgotten "the people" are the ultimate authority."

And therefore, the ultimate 'trigger guards'.

Monckton is real, so's the issue he puts forth.

Stupidity or conspiracy...it doesn't matter when the end results are the same.

I just read it and am truly baffled. This guy can throw an amazing volume of crazy stuff out there quicker than any President I can remember.

It's been a full court press since the day he took office. I guess that's part of the strategy.

If they are stupid enough to pass this it will be a game changer for alot of folks.

JM.

Folks this stuff is serious.

Israeli powers in their govt were told this by the Obama administration,

"We are going to change the world. Stop doing...."

Be careful what you wish for...........................

Monckton is a self serving dillwad who doesn't have a FOX show of his own yet.

Based on the comments, it's clear most of you don't have a clue about climate change or climate change regulation, and the long term benefits it could provide US industry if we get off our behinds and do something.

US industry needs to retool and become more efficient in order to compete effectively. Climate change regulation provides the economic mechanism to drive the changes needed.

We could pout and do nothing as things continue to worsen, or we can get busy doing what needs to be done in order to postion ourselves for a decent future. The notion of global climate regulation will put US industry on a more level playing field versus low-cost foreign producers who pollute, as their products should be subject to import tarrifs based on the carbon footprint of those products. Between being produced inefficiently and having to be transported long distances, that should tend to provide native efficient and clean industries with an edge for the US market. The US market is the market most countries want to sell into.

BTW: How many of you buy at WalMart?

This scarry nonesense, whining and hand wringing gets old. The sky is not falling.

Show me where it is PROVEN that carbon levels drive temperature, and that the earth has warmed in the last ten years. Until there is absolute proof of the carbon/ temperature scenario, I really don't want to pay for it. A computer model is NOT science.

You obviously can't read. Nothing in that proposal is for the good of the US. It will redistribute our wealth, as stated in the document. It also forms a global government with unlimited authority over all member nations.......

This is not a good thing.

is a crock of shiite.

Industry in the US has been screwed by our gov for a long time now.Most of the green wheenie chit will be built in china or india and do not a thing for US industry.
dave

What is this? Just more names being added to the Presidents enemy list. If you disagree with fearless leader you are his enemy. Remember his idea of government is "might makes right".

evidence shows the planet has been cooling for a decade.

CO2 does not drive temperature.

The biggest "greenhouse" gas is water vapor. will they try and regulate that next?

Computer models are only as good as the scenario programmed into them.

Another public education Liberal troll heard from.

show me proof that cell phones cuase car accidents; or that concrete and asphalt cuase crashes.

Ice core samples and the fossil record show the correlation carbon levels and temperature going back eons. It didn't matter back then cuz we weren't around. Now there are 6.7 billion of us and the earth is undergoing rapid change whether you comprehend it or not. When sea levels rise and millions of people start migrating, vying for remaining resources, things could get complicated...like wars maybe. People do those sorts of things.

But back to you question: tell me why the ice caps and glaciers worldwide are shrinking. Probably cuz it's getting colder no doubt.

What did you say Dudejcb?

I couldn't make it out because your nose is so far up Al Galore's ass.

Don't come on here and try to sound intelligent with your faitful support of the magic mickey marxketeer and his mob of malicious misfits, you'll get your ass handed to you and come out smelling like a pile of [bleep] and looking like a complete idiot.

Plus, if you love socialism and the demise of America so much you'll be counted an enemy, along with all the other liberal demo(litionist)s. Get a clue or get the hell out of our free country! Ya puke.

That, my cool-aid guzzling friend, is Greenland. It's a picture of the typical landscape.
A 1000 years ago Greenland supported farming and the keeping of livestock by Viking colonies. Then, it got cold again, which forced the settlers off the land.
l'Histoire se repete...

You need to update your data....using 10 year old data and a restricted data set doesn't mean the sky is falling. going back less than 200 years to prove your climate trend is meaningless considering the age of the planet. Kind of like taking a picture at midnight on a new moon and concluding the planet is always dark.

rising CO2 levels follow warming it doesn't lead and is only correlated, not causally related.

I have yet to have a glass of ice overflow when it melted....

how many acre-feet of ice needs to melt to raise the level of the oceans 1 foot? How many acre-feet of ice are on the planet?

If global warming is so prevalent why did Gore resort to CGI for his film?

Global Warming is a CULT. It is a religion not a science.

If anyone wants to see this lecture in its entirety, you can go here:

Got 1 1/2 hours to kill? This will be worth it.

He rips the veil of deceit away from the global warming scam, with FACTS.

Archerhunter,

Now you've gone too far.....disparaging misfits like that. There's just no cause for that.

According to the GW whackjobs, it IS falling..


Sometimes, when the client is full of Kool-Aid, there's no sense in introducing milk...

Laughable..

Sorry MTmisfit. No offense I hope...


I'm a flatland misfit down here. Maybe you and I should trade places from time to time. Just to keep things interesting

Thanks for the link.......passing it on now!

How about from late aug through late oct?

HEY, don't confuse derby dude with that liberal ass troll Dudejcb!!!!! We ain't the same people.

Though there is localized (and much publicized ) melt, the ice masses are actually increasing in size. Pretty easy to look up nearly anything nowadays. Check it out, but look at data that opposes your belief as well. It may be that you were lied to....

Okay try to follow this. Greenland has always been icy cold. It was named Greenland by the Vikings to throw off their enemies. In a similar vein they (the Viking people not the football team) named their home island "Iceland." Get it? it was the psychology of the time.

You guys are big on name calling and tough talk, but I don't scare. I've been at this energy thing over thrity years and am scientifically qualified to know BS from truth on this subject and few others.

I get it you don't like those with different opinions, but am not clear on how that translates to being an American. Try not to think emotionally. Use rational objective thinking, and again, explain why the glaciers are shrinking. BTW: 10-years does not constitute sufficinet time to assert anything, and climate change does not necissarily mean it will be warmer at your house.

DFTFT,

GTC

that's why those of your ilk switched from "Global Warming" to "Global Climate Change."

Funny thing is climate is always changing, and man will not destroy the planet. Man may destroy himself but the planet will go on.

The climate change "crisis" has been manufactured as an excuse for political power and control. If it truely was about climate change there wouldn't be a market for exchanging credits, or redistributing wealth for no other purpose than trying to level the playing field.

If you dislike the prosperity of the US feel free to move to whatever third world sh1thole you'd like to. Just don't expect any respect for attempting to turn the US into just another third world sh1thole.

Fellas, dftft.

We have enough already, and someone really ought to take that "DSMFer's welcome" sign down........

The climate warms, the climate cools.
We didn't cause it and we sure as hell can't fix it.

The same bunch of shts that are now whining about warming are the same bunch of shts that were whining about cooling on the 70's.

It fits their agenda

I didn't switch the name and don't have an ilk. Am probably more conservative than you realize, but I call the truth the truth rather than adhere to emotionally driven bandwagon dogma that requires no critical thinking.

As I understand it the change in nomenclature was made because it's more accurate. As you correctly say, the climate is always changing, but in the context an of overall warming trend, regional areas will experience different effects. Less precipation, more; less heat, more; but overall a more dynamic system.

The planet will go on, the question is whether we will be there to see it or will it be the age of insects or whatever life form is able to adapt.

I hope you are correct that there is not climate change, but the actual evidence suggests otherwise and a head-in-the-sand approach isn't helpful or smart.

This is where you run off the tracks. The credit and markets thing was someone else's idea (probably wall street traders) as a straight carbon tax would have been more efficient and less costly (cuz the traders wouldn't be taking their cut), but the money collected should have been put into a fund used to finance industrial process and other efficinecy and emissions changes. Face it, we're going to pay for this regardless of what we do, and that includes if we do nothing.

But people, like many here on CF, have a terminal fear of the term "tax" and are not capable of entertaining any idea that has the "tax" connotation, so unfounded illogical paranoia made that approach unplausible. thus we got this trading piece of junk. The problem is that the trading market will cost more, but those of your ilk worship the term "free market" as though it were a cure for cancer. BTW: import taxes on high carbon products would have gone into this fund too.

Way off the tracks here. The reason I do the kind of work I do is to help the US remain propserous, with a high quality and standard of living. Whether you know it or not, our standard of living, our industrail capacity,a nd our quality of life are all determined by energy. And energy is intriscially intertwined with the environment and the economy and the state of each.

I could make a lot more $$ simply as a consulting engineer but I am actually trying to make a difference for my kids and yours.

If you want the US to become a third world [bleep] as you say, keep buying stuff from Walmart, and don't tell your congressman to change our tax structure. Those are the drivers hurting our economy, not environmental awareness.

Hey, winter is coming to South Dakota with a vengeance. I say, "Bring on Global Warming!"

No kidding. One of the predicted winners (at least at first) will be Canada and the northern climes. You'll be growing Pinot Noir and cotton.

I believe the world is going to change us and Obama. He shouldn't be threatening Israel.

"The biggest "greenhouse" gas is water vapor. will they try and regulate that next?"

Apparently not. They seem to want hydrogen powered cars and they emit water vapor as their exhaust.
As far as global warming, or climate change if you prefer being man made, what arrogant bullsh!t. What causes climate change, or global warming or global cooling for that matter is the sun itself. A very simple analogt would be one of those gas powdered Coleman lanterns. If you don't keep them pumped up, the light waxes and wanes due to the erratic pressure and lowering fuel level. Pump it up and it gets bright. Let the air pressure drop and it gets dim. While I don't know the physics on how the sun operates, over the eons there has been radical climate change well before the advent of man. At one time, the mean temperature was on the order of 120 degrees. Man was nowhere around. Later, temperatures dropped so much that the glaciers literally covered massive areas of the earth's land mass. Guess that was our fault as well, even though we may not have been here yet.
I think all this change is due to changes in the sun and anything man has done is only a drop in the bucket on affecting climate change.
I guess Al Gore must be right. After all, he did invent the internet, right? It's all about control people and I for one refuse to be controlled by that idiot Gore or the jackass in the White House.
Obama may sign that treaty but the senate has to approve it. They're the ones we have to worry about and they worry the hell out of me.
Paul B.

That's when it becomes job one to worry the hell out of them.

your right Erik the Red lied his ass off.....still doesnt get passed the fact from bout 986 to about 1300 they were farming there.....for most of that they relied mainly on agriculture to feed themselves, not the sea, wasnt till the late 1200's that temps dropped again and they had to rely on the sea for the majority of their food and by the 1500's they were forced to abandon Greenland cause it was just to [bleep] cold....

I believe the era you're describing is known as the Medieval Warm Period. Monckton covers that phenomenon in the earlier part of the lecture.

See!!! See!!!!! It started way back then!! Oh Lord, what we gonna do???

i know what it is, apparently Dudejcb dont......

Guys don't feed the liberal turd troll.

I'm ought here.

It's not all about the environment. It's about redistribution of wealth and sovereignty. It's about an assclown giving America away.

Global warming is man's triumph over the coming ice age predicted as a near certainty in the '70s. Oh wait, global temperature has been cooling over the last few years. I'm so CONFUSED!

Some hacker is blocking the home page. Had to go through the google ca Canada to get it.
Will forward to everyone I know. Fellas this is one thing we can't sit on our hands for. less than 50 days. lets get this thing going right around the world.

Good man.

"HEY, don't confuse derby dude with that liberal ass troll Dudejcb!!!!! We ain't the same people."


But of course, DD. No confusion on my part. I was talking to the Dudettejcb.

He's obviously one of those guys that will listen only to 'scientist' who are paid to concoct evidence and make predictions off of their concoctions while remaining ignoramous in the face of facts. There seems to be no shortage of these kind of 'scientists'. Pretty much every real scientist on planet has called foul on the global warming frenzy the government and media has worked so hard to create. Tens of thousands of them have come foreward stating their opinion that it's a hoax in its entirety. Unfortunately government doesn't have that many on the payroll so anyone inclined to read up on things will quickly disregard the obvious lies that thin minded liberals swallow without question.

The JeffdoucheO's will just say the moslem inherited the problem from Bush. And then they would retort by saying what would McCain do?

bump

Are you schitzophrenic, or do you just not know how to quote a post so it makes sense?

Really? which "real" scientists would those be? You're not talking about the one's supported by the oil and coal industries are you?

That seems like an awful lot of scientists. where can we find a list.

[/quote]You're pretty good at name calling and making wild unsupported assertions, but short on logical, dispassionate, discussion of issues. what is it you've been "read(ing) up" on?

Faux science is alive and well. The tobacco companies had doctors and "scientists" in their pocket for years, all the time knowing cigarettes were lethal and nicotine was addictive. But they were having a good time making lots of money, and in fact had enough money to buy off the weak integrity of some propogand doctors to do their bidding thorugh some bogus non-profit front group like "Citizens for Clean Lungs." That's not a particularly uncommmon strategy, but the easily fooled are...easily fooled.

Tell me; whatever happened to the Marlboro Man. (I already know the answer. he died of lung cancer and blamed his old bosses.)

Quick question: what does cigarettes have to do with the bogus global warming?

Just wondering if you remember some of these same 'scientists' issuing dire warnings of global cooling back in the mid-seventies? (musta been those in the pockets of coal industry).

What about the dire warnings of acid rain? What about the dire warnings of ebola? What about the dire warnings of bird flu?

If you ax me, an awful lot of 'scientists' seem to be plenty wrong.. But you believe the GW 'crisis' now??

Laughable..

Lee?

Paul, that is one way to look at it. but there are lots of additonal things that can effect the intensity of the sun's impact on the planet. Sunspots, atmospheric makeup of elements and compounds, global shading (atmospheric particulates from fire, volcanos, excessivley large wind storms, etc.) and the reflectivity of the earth's surface.

He never said he invented the internet. He was a senator when the defense department demonstrated what it was working on (the recursor to the internet), and he was one of the first to be supportive of their efforts in terms of voting for additonal research money.

It's funny (not funny Ha Ha, but funny wierd and sad) how effective, cheap and long lasting personal distortion and smear campaigns can be.

the energy industry is utilizing the same 'discounting" strategy that the tobacco companies did back then. they hire so called experts to confuse the science and the public.

Yeah, I remember. Turns out they were right about the wrong thing. It seems now that what was happening was global shading from particulates (from air pollution) that decreased the amount of sunlight reaching the surface, and slowed the evaporation rates scientists were monitoring. this masked the early effects of warming.

What about acid rain? didn't you see what happened in the northeast and in Europe?

I don't recall panicky warnings about ebola, just some news headlines,a 60-minutes segment, and some sci-fi movies. Bird flu? Dunno, the wardens have checked my limit of ducks a few times. apparently they flew the other way, or the chinese turned them into wontons.

That's what science does. It tries to make sense of observations and explain the phenomena, but very often they find they've made a mistake and then improve their understanding accordingly. Science isn't always right, but it always strives to be right and isn't afraid to correct itself in order to be more accurate.

To not believe in science, is to believe in magic. Now that's laughable.

The exact quote was, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."

What he meant is anyone's guess. Like all politicians, he took great pains to make all of his statements ambiguous enough to mean whatever he wanted it to mean.

As for Global Warming? I'll take Monckton's word over any internet "expert". Considering that the environmental movement has been co-opted by watermelons, I don't see any reason to believe anything they say. I witnessed the economic devastation wrought by the Spotted Owl hoax. The agenda of the watermelons is political not environmental.

.......Really,

Hoping they haven't cloned him.

GTC

dftft

The 2 actors that portrayed the Marlboro Man that died of cancer, died of brain cancer. Yes they both had lung cancer but it was the brain cancer that killed them. The anti-smokers latch on to this but there were dozens of actors and cowboys who were the Marlboro Man and didn't get cancer.

The actual warning is cigarettes MAY cause cancer. Do I think smoking is a good thing, no. But if smoking caused cancer everyone who smoked would get cancer, not just a very small percentage.

As for nicotine, it always has been a deadly poison, easily absorbed through the skin. It also quickly metabolizes out of your system. Something around 16 hours after exposure and it is gone.....

It's absolutely true. The John Birch Society has been shouting this from the roof tops since the 1950s, compiling and disseminating mountains of documentation to prove it. To long time readers of their publications, what we are observing today are merely the latest stages of the long held plans of the power elite (the folks great men in American history have been warning us against since Andrew Jackson), and precisely on schedule. None of this is any surprise to a Bircher. Where have you been?

yeah, ceding US sovereignty is sooooo likely. being hit by a comet is more likely. Yup, I'll be losing sleep over this.

Bovine Excrement.

Here's what he said:



Here's what create means:



Now anyone but a brain-dead Moveon flunky (in all sincerity, that is obviously not you) would understand that algore does not posess the ability to create much of anything but misery for others and personal hypocrasy destined to be legend. The point is, he was reaching for the stars in self-aggrandization concerning a concept he had absolutely no hands on involvement with, nor could he professionally or technically. That's lying.

And now that his lies regarding global warming have been exposed, he is obfuscating.

Environmental science is a worthy and essential discipline. Unfortunately, it is also full of agenda driven, politically correct, group-thinkers who have transformed it into a polarizing travesty. That's lying too, even if ya'll can't or won't see it.

Guys, dudejcb is a turd from Obama's Office of Propaganda. Don't feed the troll.

We saw an influx of those kool-aid drinkers during the campaign.

Kept your powder dry boys, we're going to need it sooner or later unless you just want to stick you head up your a## or in the sand. We're the only country that can still defend our selves from tyrants' although DC is trying to change that also.
History shows the folly of men like obama and his gang. I'm just glad that I'm not a young person, the future looks bleek with the left leading the way.

Navy... Ya know, I am with you too. I am GLAD I am not a youngster any longer.
I am in NO HURRY to leave this life and earth, BUT, I do fear for the younger generation and what happens to them. I am sure I won't live long enough to see the ultimate end of our Country and for that I am glad. It just saddens me to see so many racing towards its end. What a wonderful experiment we were for a couple of hundred years.
It is too bad we could not and cannot hold on to the wonderful plans of our fore fathers.
It is too bad that the best experiment in freedom and liberty

DIED

From people trying to REDEFINE the Constitution

Our kids are "kick-ass". They will be fine. You sound like my parents...and their parents...and their parents...

I didn't switch the name and don't have an ilk. Am probably more conservative than you realize, but I call the truth the truth rather than adhere to emotionally driven bandwagon dogma that requires no critical thinking.



Please explain to the Campfire your conservative side, who did you vote for in the last four presidental elections. I trust that you will be TRUTHFUL with us. GW

Know you're not talking to me but I'm glad to reveal the last four votes I cast in Presidential races. That would be McCain, Bush, Bush and Dole.

2008: McCain (R) (actually, against Hussein)
2004: Badnarik (L)
2000: Buchanan (Reform)
1996: Philips (T/C)
1992: Perot (Reform)

Until 2008, I did not live in a contested state and could vote FOR a candidate more closely aligned with my beliefs. 2008 put me in a position of having to vote AGAINST the candidate most staunchly against my beliefs and more antithetical to my ideals than I thought possible.

I didn't switch the name and don't have an ilk. Am probably more conservative than you realize, but I call the truth the truth rather than adhere to emotionally driven bandwagon dogma that requires no critical thinking.



Please explain to the Campfire your conservative side, who did you vote for in the last four presidental elections. I trust that you will be TRUTHFUL with us. GW[/quote

Yep As I thought! Another one of those "TRUTHFUL?" liberals who wants to play on the conservative court, suspect he has been ejected from a liberal game and has no where to play. GW

Already seeing some impact of exposing this story...

UN signals delay in climate change treaty
By EDITH M. LEDERER (AP) � 13 hours ago

UNITED NATIONS � Just weeks before an international conference on climate change, the United Nations signaled it was scaling back expectations of reaching agreement on a new treaty to slow global warming.

Pasztor told a news conference "there is tremendous activity by governments in capitals and internationally to shape the outcome" of the climate change conference in Copenhagen, Denmark, in early December, which "is a good development" because political leadership is essential to make a deal.

But he indicated that Copenhagen most likely won't produce a treaty, but instead will push governments as far as they can go on the content of an agreement.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jqJmnNVzfiUOeSlVG4f8nQMbwQYQD9BJF6NG0

Sounding better.

"Sounding better" is little consolation.

Shelve the whole damned idea.

Same goes for deathcare reform, embracing [bleep] as though normal, saving the polar bears from the effects of gravity (or whatever the hell it is) and any other thing these wretched and lame excuses for human life forms concoct and try to jam down everyone's throats.

Why the hell are these things even brought to public attention?

Somebody needs to man up somewhere along the lines. And the longer we wait the rougher we gots ta get about it.

See?