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Though there is localized (and much publicized ) melt, the ice masses are actually increasing in size. Pretty easy to look up nearly anything nowadays. Check it out, but look at data that opposes your belief as well. It may be that you were lied to....

Okay try to follow this. Greenland has always been icy cold. It was named Greenland by the Vikings to throw off their enemies. In a similar vein they (the Viking people not the football team) named their home island "Iceland." Get it? it was the psychology of the time.

You guys are big on name calling and tough talk, but I don't scare. I've been at this energy thing over thrity years and am scientifically qualified to know BS from truth on this subject and few others.

I get it you don't like those with different opinions, but am not clear on how that translates to being an American. Try not to think emotionally. Use rational objective thinking, and again, explain why the glaciers are shrinking. BTW: 10-years does not constitute sufficinet time to assert anything, and climate change does not necissarily mean it will be warmer at your house.

DFTFT,

GTC

that's why those of your ilk switched from "Global Warming" to "Global Climate Change."

Funny thing is climate is always changing, and man will not destroy the planet. Man may destroy himself but the planet will go on.

The climate change "crisis" has been manufactured as an excuse for political power and control. If it truely was about climate change there wouldn't be a market for exchanging credits, or redistributing wealth for no other purpose than trying to level the playing field.

If you dislike the prosperity of the US feel free to move to whatever third world sh1thole you'd like to. Just don't expect any respect for attempting to turn the US into just another third world sh1thole.

Fellas, dftft.

We have enough already, and someone really ought to take that "DSMFer's welcome" sign down........

The climate warms, the climate cools.
We didn't cause it and we sure as hell can't fix it.

The same bunch of shts that are now whining about warming are the same bunch of shts that were whining about cooling on the 70's.

It fits their agenda

I didn't switch the name and don't have an ilk. Am probably more conservative than you realize, but I call the truth the truth rather than adhere to emotionally driven bandwagon dogma that requires no critical thinking.

As I understand it the change in nomenclature was made because it's more accurate. As you correctly say, the climate is always changing, but in the context an of overall warming trend, regional areas will experience different effects. Less precipation, more; less heat, more; but overall a more dynamic system.

The planet will go on, the question is whether we will be there to see it or will it be the age of insects or whatever life form is able to adapt.

I hope you are correct that there is not climate change, but the actual evidence suggests otherwise and a head-in-the-sand approach isn't helpful or smart.

This is where you run off the tracks. The credit and markets thing was someone else's idea (probably wall street traders) as a straight carbon tax would have been more efficient and less costly (cuz the traders wouldn't be taking their cut), but the money collected should have been put into a fund used to finance industrial process and other efficinecy and emissions changes. Face it, we're going to pay for this regardless of what we do, and that includes if we do nothing.

But people, like many here on CF, have a terminal fear of the term "tax" and are not capable of entertaining any idea that has the "tax" connotation, so unfounded illogical paranoia made that approach unplausible. thus we got this trading piece of junk. The problem is that the trading market will cost more, but those of your ilk worship the term "free market" as though it were a cure for cancer. BTW: import taxes on high carbon products would have gone into this fund too.

Way off the tracks here. The reason I do the kind of work I do is to help the US remain propserous, with a high quality and standard of living. Whether you know it or not, our standard of living, our industrail capacity,a nd our quality of life are all determined by energy. And energy is intriscially intertwined with the environment and the economy and the state of each.

I could make a lot more $$ simply as a consulting engineer but I am actually trying to make a difference for my kids and yours.

If you want the US to become a third world [bleep] as you say, keep buying stuff from Walmart, and don't tell your congressman to change our tax structure. Those are the drivers hurting our economy, not environmental awareness.

Hey, winter is coming to South Dakota with a vengeance. I say, "Bring on Global Warming!"

No kidding. One of the predicted winners (at least at first) will be Canada and the northern climes. You'll be growing Pinot Noir and cotton.

I believe the world is going to change us and Obama. He shouldn't be threatening Israel.

"The biggest "greenhouse" gas is water vapor. will they try and regulate that next?"

Apparently not. They seem to want hydrogen powered cars and they emit water vapor as their exhaust.
As far as global warming, or climate change if you prefer being man made, what arrogant bullsh!t. What causes climate change, or global warming or global cooling for that matter is the sun itself. A very simple analogt would be one of those gas powdered Coleman lanterns. If you don't keep them pumped up, the light waxes and wanes due to the erratic pressure and lowering fuel level. Pump it up and it gets bright. Let the air pressure drop and it gets dim. While I don't know the physics on how the sun operates, over the eons there has been radical climate change well before the advent of man. At one time, the mean temperature was on the order of 120 degrees. Man was nowhere around. Later, temperatures dropped so much that the glaciers literally covered massive areas of the earth's land mass. Guess that was our fault as well, even though we may not have been here yet.
I think all this change is due to changes in the sun and anything man has done is only a drop in the bucket on affecting climate change.
I guess Al Gore must be right. After all, he did invent the internet, right? It's all about control people and I for one refuse to be controlled by that idiot Gore or the jackass in the White House.
Obama may sign that treaty but the senate has to approve it. They're the ones we have to worry about and they worry the hell out of me.
Paul B.

That's when it becomes job one to worry the hell out of them.

your right Erik the Red lied his ass off.....still doesnt get passed the fact from bout 986 to about 1300 they were farming there.....for most of that they relied mainly on agriculture to feed themselves, not the sea, wasnt till the late 1200's that temps dropped again and they had to rely on the sea for the majority of their food and by the 1500's they were forced to abandon Greenland cause it was just to [bleep] cold....

I believe the era you're describing is known as the Medieval Warm Period. Monckton covers that phenomenon in the earlier part of the lecture.

See!!! See!!!!! It started way back then!! Oh Lord, what we gonna do???

i know what it is, apparently Dudejcb dont......

Guys don't feed the liberal turd troll.

I'm ought here.

It's not all about the environment. It's about redistribution of wealth and sovereignty. It's about an assclown giving America away.

Global warming is man's triumph over the coming ice age predicted as a near certainty in the '70s. Oh wait, global temperature has been cooling over the last few years. I'm so CONFUSED!

Some hacker is blocking the home page. Had to go through the google ca Canada to get it.
Will forward to everyone I know. Fellas this is one thing we can't sit on our hands for. less than 50 days. lets get this thing going right around the world.