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Found this article within the American Patrol Report thanks for that link Crossfireoops.

There are signs that the new law is affecting Phoenix already.
It cannot happen fast enough.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...0528arizona-immigration-law-schools.html

Schools: Immigrant families leaving Arizona because of new immigration law
by Pat Kossan - May. 28, 2010 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic
Reports are surfacing around the Valley that illegal-immigrant families with school-age children are fleeing Arizona because of a new immigration law.

Some school officials say enough parents and students have told them they plan to leave the state this summer to indicate Hispanic enrollment could drop at some schools. But there's no way to know exactly how many illegal immigrants will depart because schools do not inquire about a student's or a family's legal status.


Many Latino-heavy school districts say the recession already has pushed many of their families out of state to look for work. The passage of Senate Bill 1070, which widens enforcement of immigration law, has tipped the balance for some parents who tried to stick it out.

For schools, the impact could be loss of students and, as a result, loss of state funding and parent support. The state could see savings.

Despite signs of an exodus, the picture remains murky.

Teachers and principals at Alhambra elementary schools in west Phoenix, for example, are saying goodbye to core volunteer parents, who tell them that the new migration law threatens their family stability and that they must leave. The district expects the new law to drive out an extra 200 to 300 students over the summer.

Balsz Elementary District in east Phoenix lost 70 families in the past 30 days, an unprecedented number, officials said.

In contrast, Isaac Elementary District in Phoenix, where 96 percent of its 8,058 students are Latino, lost fewer students than usual after its Christmas break, and its May enrollment grew by 20 students over last year.

At Balsz, a sense of community is fraying. Every morning for the past two years, 20 to 30 parents in orange T-shirts have gathered at designated spots to walk their children to four elementary schools.

The number of those parents, mostly Latino, began to dwindle in January after the migration bill was introduced. By spring, no one was showing up. The district's "Walking School Bus Club" ceased to exist.

Those parents were too fearful to walk the streets, parents and school officials say. Some were busy packing for a move.

"I became their friend, and saying goodbye is never easy," said Rosemarie Garcia, the district's parent liaison and organizer of the walking club.


The impact debate

Driving out illegal immigrants is the stated purpose of Senate Bill 1070. Arizona's immigration law makes it a state crime to be in the country illegally. It states that an officer engaged in a lawful stop, detention or arrest shall, when practicable, ask about a person's legal status when reasonable suspicion exists that the person is in the U.S. illegally.

There is no precise count of Arizona schoolchildren who live with families that have one or more undocumented members.

About 170,000 of Arizona's 1 million K-12 students are children of immigrants and include both citizens and non-citizens, according to a 2009 Pew Hispanic Center study.

For every net decline of one student, a school loses an average of $4,404 in state money. The total amount of funding for the 170,000 children of immigrants is about $749 million, or 16 percent, of the state's education budget.

Arizona schools Superintendent Tom Horne said he can't predict the impact of the new law on enrollment but expects little.

A sizable loss of undocumented families could reduce crowding in some schools and allow others to combine classrooms and reduce teaching staff, said Matthew Ladner, research director for the Goldwater Institute in Phoenix, which has not taken a stance on the law.

"It would actually help the state's balance sheet down the road and would lessen the burden on the general fund," Ladner said.

School officials, however, say that if many immigrant families leave, their schools will suffer.

Losing a share of students does not yield commensurate cost savings for schools, they said. For example, losing 10 students at the third-grade level often won't necessarily save a teacher's salary, and the district must still pay for property maintenance.

Already hit by state budget cuts, schools that lose per-student funding may not be able to pay for manageable class sizes, reading specialists and tutoring.

"When you lose kids, you lose money," Balsz Superintendent Jeffrey Smith said. "It gives you less to work with."

Smith said the only way his district could save money would be to crowd students into four schools and shut down the district's fifth campus.

"It would make us more cost-effective and it would cost less to run them. But I hope that doesn't happen," Smith said.

Another impact is a loss of a sense of community.

Smith talked about the issue while sitting in Brunson-Lee Elementary, which has 435 students.

"This is a walking school," he said. "If this school ever goes down, all these kids would have to be bused farther away.

"So, the parents would be less likely to get to the school to support the school."


What schools say

Although the last day of school is usually joyful, this year, some schools fear what may happen this summer.

Worry has spread through the sprawling, 14,538-student Alhambra Elementary School District in Phoenix, which has lost about 2.5 percent, or about 363 students, a year since 2008. That's when a new law took effect that made it more difficult for employers to hire undocumented workers and the recession began ripping away jobs in earnest.

Latino students make up 75 percent of Alhambra's enrollment. Before SB 1070 became law, families in which one parent was legal could still survive. But jobs remain tight, and now, any undocumented family member can be deported after getting a traffic ticket.

Volunteers are dwindling, and fewer parents are showing up for parent coaching and teacher meetings, Alhambra Superintendent Jim Rice said. This summer, the district expects to lose twice as many students, Rice added.

"Our children have been here since they were 1 year old or 2 years old, and they are ready to go to high school," he said. "That's what makes it tough."

Other districts are not sure what to expect when school resumes in August.

� Mesa Public Schools, the state's largest unified district, has 67,749 students, and Latino students make up 37.5 percent. It anticipates a decrease of 1,500 students, similar to losses over the past four years. It blames a combination of new immigration laws, including SB 1070, and the recession.

� Paradise Valley Unified District in Phoenix, where nearly a quarter of its 33,431 students are Latino, hasn't seen a large drop in total enrollment.

"A lot of our students go to Mexico for the summer, and we're speculating they may not come back," spokeswoman Judi Willis said. "But we don't know."

� Enrollment at Glendale Union High School District, where about half of its 14,940 students are Latino, has held steady, but the number of students signing up for English-language summer school has fallen. High-school districts are less likely to feel the loss because older kids are more likely to stay behind with friends and relatives, said Craig Pletenik, spokesman for Phoenix Union High School, where more than three-fourths of the district's 25,083 students are Latino. "Our kids are older, and closer to the educational finish line." The district hasn't seen a dip in enrollment.

� Teachers at Deer Valley Unified District report that high-school students worry about the new law because their parents are talking about a possible family move. The district lost 200 students two years ago, mainly because of the employer-sanctions law, spokeswoman Sandi Hicks said.

For now, there is no sign of a big change, Hicks said. "They're in school. They haven't left yet." About 15 percent of Deer Valley's 36,498 students are Latino.

� At Isaac Elementary, district spokesman Abed�n Fimbres said the district's enrollment declined for several years, then leveled off and grew slightly this year. He said that because the district has the lowest-cost housing of central-city districts, families have fled to its neighborhoods as they lost jobs and income.


Social impact

Claudia Suriano is sitting with four fellow school volunteers at Brunson-Lee Elementary in Phoenix's Balsz district. She is among three who are leaving the state. Two others say their families are still debating.

Suriano is a Phoenix mother of two whose husband just quit a good job as a roofer after five years.

While he has survived atop Valley houses for five summers, he could not stand the heat of the new immigration law.

"He feels so stressed that he's not a citizen. He feels it's going to catch up to him," said Suriano, 27, who also is undocumented. "He speaks excellent English, but he feels a pressure they're going to find out what his status is here, and it's too great a weight for him."

Suriano's husband has been in New Mexico for two weeks, looking for an apartment and a job. She is packing up their Phoenix apartment. "He tells me over in New Mexico, it is like here when we first came: There is no fear and they treat you like human beings."

She tries to explain to her two children, one of whom is not a citizen, why the family must leave after six years.

"They're just innocent children," she said. "The older one - he's 9 - says, 'Mommy, I have my friends here and my school.' They don't understand what in the world is going on."

Reporter Ronald J. Hansen contributed to this article.


Good news indeed..
Good riddance! Don't let the fence hit you in the ass
we would be ahead in every aspect you can think of, if all the illegals, and most of the legals, would head back to Old Mexico.
i can't help but notice the tone of something like regret from the school admins.

figures...
How insane is it that children of illegals can enroll in school in the first place?
Maybe they'll bring the Hope and Change back to Mexico!
They are leaving Arizona and moving to sanctuary cities like Chicago, Denver and San Francisco.
"She tries to explain to her two children, one of whom is not a citizen, why the family must leave after six years.

"They're just innocent children," she said. "The older one - he's 9 - says, 'Mommy, I have my friends here and my school.' They don't understand what in the world is going on."

I'll go along with the "Innocent" call 110%.

So, why the HELL did the parents set them up for this fall ?

This whole evolution will certainly tug at one's heart strings, won't it ?

GTC




Fantastic news!
odama losing his voter base. How tragic !!
Charlie
Unfortunately, most of them will probably just move to another state in hope of the Messiah's amnesty.

Time to pass more SB1070's!
Originally Posted by BarryC
Unfortunately, most of them will probably just move to another state in hope of the Messiah's amnesty.

Time to pass more SB1070's!
Hopefully this will force more such laws being passed.

Eventually, this will help the schools, because it will mean less funds diverted to educate kids from another country who will never assimilate and whose parents won't even bother to teach English to. Less funds to educate foreigners means more funds to educate our own kids. Go team!
Originally Posted by Redneck
Good news indeed..


Unfortunately, they aren't all heading back to Mexico. I live close to the Canadian border, and I'm see more and more mexicans each week.
The really sad part is - and nobody ever thinks about this : Who's gonna pick all the Watermelons - Oranges- and all the other field crops- wont be any US citizen -

We are all immigrants - every single one of us - unless of course your Indian -

I could careless who comes into this country so long as they get a job - pay taxes - and are law abiding citizens once they get here ..I believe thats the way ALL of our ancestors did it ...

I dont have anyhting for the dude that "sneaks" into a country-

but lets quit the "send em all home" - mentality- just my .2
Originally Posted by Rodngun
The really sad part is - and nobody ever thinks about this : Who's gonna pick all the Watermelons - Oranges- and all the other field crops- wont be any US citizen -

We are all immigrants - every single one of us - unless of course your Indian -

I could careless who comes into this country so long as they get a job - pay taxes - and are law abiding citizens once they get here ..I believe thats the way ALL of our ancestors did it ...

I dont have anyhting for the dude that "sneaks" into a country-

but lets quit the "send em all home" - mentality- just my .2


Post only ranks a number 2 on stupidity right behind your seal the oil well with a nuke post.
The really important part of this debate goes unsaid. We need to reduce welfare payment rates by 60% and repeal the minumum wage. Wages will float to an equilibrum level and a lot of those on welfare will take the jobs they are being paid not to do now.

Illegals leaving is only part of the answer.
Originally Posted by CEJ1895
Maybe they'll bring the Hope and Change back to Mexico!


That's a thought..

how can we deport SambObama to Mexico...
Originally Posted by Rodngun
The really sad part is - and nobody ever thinks about this : Who's gonna pick all the Watermelons - Oranges- and all the other field crops- wont be any US citizen -

We are all immigrants - every single one of us - unless of course your Indian -

I could careless who comes into this country so long as they get a job - pay taxes - and are law abiding citizens once they get here ..I believe thats the way ALL of our ancestors did it ...

I dont have anyhting for the dude that "sneaks" into a country-

but lets quit the "send em all home" - mentality- just my .2



Recto-Cranial interlock is a SAD and Worrisome affliction, I hope yours will abate with no permanent damage sustained.

Should we send em' all to your place for cookies and cocoa ?

"Brazero" Programs WORK,....that's a proven FACT.
Do they need escorts ?
Originally Posted by okok
Do they need escorts ?


Who, Recto Cranial Interlock Sufferers, or the Invaders ?

GTC
Many i see who are leaving, are leaving due to the economy. They claim they can come back anytime they want. With such things as home building being slow, many don't have the framing or masonary jobs that they did.

The same with the nursery industry within mid. TN. No new homes means a cutback in landscaping, which leads to a reduction of trees and shrubs etc, being grown on the nursery farms.
Originally Posted by NathanL
Originally Posted by Rodngun
The really sad part is - and nobody ever thinks about this : Who's gonna pick all the Watermelons - Oranges- and all the other field crops- wont be any US citizen -

We are all immigrants - every single one of us - unless of course your Indian -

I could careless who comes into this country so long as they get a job - pay taxes - and are law abiding citizens once they get here ..I believe thats the way ALL of our ancestors did it ...

I dont have anyhting for the dude that "sneaks" into a country-



You might want to go back and read the nuke thread again..apparently somebody else who has a "clue " on the issue has commented the same thing..love it when you amatuers try to act like you know evrything ..when you dont ..to funny !!!!but lets quit the "send em all home" - mentality- just my .2


Post only ranks a number 2 on stupidity right behind your seal the oil well with a nuke post.
Originally Posted by hunter1960
Many i see who are leaving, are leaving due to the economy. They claim they can come back anytime they want. With such things as home building being slow, many don't have the framing or masonary jobs that they did.

The same with the nursery industry within mid. TN. No new homes means a cutback in landscaping, which leads to a reduction of trees and shrubs etc, being grown on the nursery farms.
You're talking skilled labor. I'd also hazard a guess that many of those you're talking about ain't illegal. There are still thousands pouring across each day. For one Mezkin that is skilled and goes home, ten come across that are unskilled and are just here for the party.

I was in Kansas City this weekend and it was like a [bleep] fiesta.
Originally Posted by Rodngun
Originally Posted by NathanL
Originally Posted by Rodngun
The really sad part is - and nobody ever thinks about this : Who's gonna pick all the Watermelons - Oranges- and all the other field crops- wont be any US citizen -

We are all immigrants - every single one of us - unless of course your Indian -

I could careless who comes into this country so long as they get a job - pay taxes - and are law abiding citizens once they get here ..I believe thats the way ALL of our ancestors did it ...

I dont have anyhting for the dude that "sneaks" into a country-



You might want to go back and read the nuke thread again..apparently somebody else who has a "clue " on the issue has commented the same thing..love it when you amatuers try to act like you know evrything ..when you dont ..to funny !!!!but lets quit the "send em all home" - mentality- just my .2


Post only ranks a number 2 on stupidity right behind your seal the oil well with a nuke post.
"Amateurs"? Are you an oil worker or a demo expert?
LOLLL.. Go back and read the Nuke thread - before you fall into the same trap poor Nimrod did...

I dont mind a smart ass..God knows Im one of the biggest -

But DAMN - at least have a clue b4 you jump in front of the bus..
That was his mistake .
Originally Posted by Rodngun
We are all immigrants - every single one of us - unless of course your Indian -

I could careless who comes into this country so long as they get a job - pay taxes - and are law abiding citizens once they get here ..I believe thats the way ALL of our ancestors did it ...

I dont have anyhting for the dude that "sneaks" into a country-

but lets quit the "send em all home" - mentality-


The difference is that my ancestors came here LEGALLY. No one is talking about making legal immigrants return to their home country. I do care about how folks get into this country and you should too. As to the havesting of crops, there are plenty of people who need work.

RH
Posted By: g5m Re: The illegal exodus is starting - 06/01/10
Originally Posted by hunter1960
Many i see who are leaving, are leaving due to the economy. They claim they can come back anytime they want. With such things as home building being slow, many don't have the framing or masonary jobs that they did.

The same with the nursery industry within mid. TN. No new homes means a cutback in landscaping, which leads to a reduction of trees and shrubs etc, being grown on the nursery farms.


True. Economy is part of it but the Arizona law seems to have spurred some national interest in the illegal part of immigration.
Originally Posted by hunter1960
Many i see who are leaving, are leaving due to the economy. They claim they can come back anytime they want. With such things as home building being slow, many don't have the framing or masonary jobs that they did.

The same with the nursery industry within mid. TN. No new homes means a cutback in landscaping, which leads to a reduction of trees and shrubs etc, being grown on the nursery farms.


This is all the more reason for the (ILLEGALS) to get out if they leave, the jobs they leave will half to be filled with some one and that would mean Citizens or legal aleans. Unemployment would be helped and welfare could posibly be slowed. You con not change some one that does not want to be changed (welfare) but if you could give some one a chance, some will take it. When there is no chance we all give up after time. Peaple have given up in this country and we need to change that attitude to the attitude that made tghis country great.
What is wrong with the send em home mentality? Thats what they would do to you if you got caught in their country with no papers. Sad for the kids- yes, but that is not our fault for enforcing the law. It has always been the law. It was the law when they came here illiegaly and decided to bring children into the mix. You can not selectivly enforce laws. If you prove you will enforce the law and send them home not just to another area that will ignore their status maybe we can get a handle on this thing.
Originally Posted by Rodngun
Originally Posted by NathanL
Originally Posted by Rodngun
The really sad part is - and nobody ever thinks about this : Who's gonna pick all the Watermelons - Oranges- and all the other field crops- wont be any US citizen -

We are all immigrants - every single one of us - unless of course your Indian -

I could careless who comes into this country so long as they get a job - pay taxes - and are law abiding citizens once they get here ..I believe thats the way ALL of our ancestors did it ...

I dont have anyhting for the dude that "sneaks" into a country-



You might want to go back and read the nuke thread again..apparently somebody else who has a "clue " on the issue has commented the same thing..love it when you amatuers try to act like you know evrything ..when you dont ..to funny !!!!but lets quit the "send em all home" - mentality- just my .2


Post only ranks a number 2 on stupidity right behind your seal the oil well with a nuke post.


They said it was "considered" and dropped as a bad idea. Lots of [bleep] gets considered - by people who don't have a clue and then dropped. What's your point?
next .....
Sorry for the misguided hijack Azshooter-

I had no idea the Carnival was in town
Originally Posted by Rodngun
The really sad part is - and nobody ever thinks about this : Who's gonna pick all the Watermelons - Oranges- and all the other field crops- wont be any US citizen -

We are all immigrants - every single one of us - unless of course your Indian -

I could careless who comes into this country so long as they get a job - pay taxes - and are law abiding citizens once they get here ..I believe thats the way ALL of our ancestors did it ...

I dont have anyhting for the dude that "sneaks" into a country-

but lets quit the "send em all home" - mentality- just my .2


Um...

What part of "illegal" did you miss?
He's another from DU, and that don't mean Ducks Unlimited. wink
Nope, he's just further confirming the truth in his own sig line... esp. re: 2nd phrase.
Send em all home, I totally agree with that. But as mentioned, its not nationality that gets you sent home, its just like you said.. legal stays, illegal goes..

Was a thread by one of our liberals about a couple who's visa was up.... and may have to leave... BOO HOO>.. same deal there, if I let my DL or CHL expire guess who gets in hot water? No difference. Found 3 folks on the job the other day whose State Electrical journeyman had expired... that cost them 9000.00 bucks.... IE the responsibility is to the folks.... not to the rest of us who are here legally.

Now get me off on the muslim thread.... I lean more and more to send em all home today...
really impressed !!
I'm pretty sure 100% of all illegals are guilty of a crime.....
If we sent them all home Rost - who would operate all the Hotels and Stop & Robs....LOLLL
Originally Posted by Rodngun
lets quit the "send em all home" - mentality- just my .2


I'm glad to know that if I come and crash on your couch that you won't make me go home even if I am an "undocumented" guest!
quit trying to jump on the band wagon so fast ..go back and read what you just read !! I dint say anyhting about keeping "illegals here" go back and read it .
Originally Posted by Rodngun
If we sent them all home Rost - who would operate all the Hotels and Stop & Robs....LOLLL


These jobs just like picking crops were for the most part as my knowledge gos part time jobs the High School kids use to do untill they brought the legal aliens into do the job then Illegal aliens why not go back to the old way and get after school progams to do those jobs again or we could start up prisoner work progams to do the job and the prisoners could actualy pay there own way or rot in jail. I know I am dreaming again.
The really sad part is - and nobody ever thinks about this : Who's gonna pick all the Watermelons - Oranges- and all the other field crops- wont be any US citizens.

It is not the end of lettuce as you know it send them home.

There is a guest worker program ,migrant workers, for temp visas to work farms.
Farmers all the way to the Canadian border have used this program for decades until they were overwhelmed with illegals.
Good news
Originally Posted by Plinker
They are leaving Arizona and moving to sanctuary cities like Chicago, Denver and San Francisco.


Couldn't happen to nicer places.
Being here illegally these invaders with open disrespect for our laws are able to send their children <born here or not> to our schools for free education, collect food stamps and use our emergency rooms like free medical clinics.

Lots of small hospitals are shutting their doors because they can't pay their staff. My wife is a doc. The small town hospital here is 7 months behind paying her for the time she spend as the hospitalist. That is the person who catches all the unassigned patients the hospital admits.

Sometimes these are folks here on vacation but usually they are illegals with zero health coverage. This past Winter was a dozy. We had to pack up camping gear so she could sleep in her office 3 different times.

IMO no documentation that they are here legally the only care they get is emergency and a mandated trip back to their own country.

Posted By: acy Re: The illegal exodus is starting - 06/01/10
Also, if you cut the heck out of welfare programs, Americans will do those jobs. Hunger will make a person do less desirable work than they would otherwise.
It would be real interesting if Arizona's neighboring states would set up "drunk driving" checkpoints on their borders for the next month or so.
Many don't start out as skilled labor or come here with those skills. They're trained by the employer. Many work in agriculture pruning and planting, caring for trees and shrubs etc.

Back in the 70's & 80's when the major industrial companies moved out of the Rust Belt to the SE. Those legal workers went to work in the factories and got out of the nursery fields in the counties i'm familiar with.

The Nursery owners were in a pinch. It's a labor intensive business, that only within the last few years has mechanical equipment started being used. The Nursery Owner Associations would send rep's to Mexico to tell people that if they'ld come to certain counties they'ld have plenty of work available.

Many of the local & state Govt. elected officials within those counties owned nurseries. Fear of raids by INS wasn't a factor they worried about.

Prior the last few years with the slow down of the economy, many workers have sent so much money to Mexico that they have a rather large nest egg to live on. Many even the farm workers have a savings to draw upon until better times can be had in the US.
Know what is "funny" about this? The LIC said people would be arrested for going out to get ice cream and they believe him. What a joke.
Originally Posted by hunter1960
Many don't start out as skilled labor or come here with those skills. They're trained by the employer. Many work in agriculture pruning and planting, caring for trees and shrubs etc.

Back in the 70's & 80's when the major industrial companies moved out of the Rust Belt to the SE. Those legal workers went to work in the factories and got out of the nursery fields in the counties i'm familiar with.

The Nursery owners were in a pinch. It's a labor intensive business, that only within the last few years has mechanical equipment started being used. The Nursery Owner Associations would send rep's to Mexico to tell people that if they'ld come to certain counties they'ld have plenty of work available.

Many of the local & state Govt. elected officials within those counties owned nurseries. Fear of raids by INS wasn't a factor they worried about.

Prior the last few years with the slow down of the economy, many workers have sent so much money to Mexico that they have a rather large nest egg to live on. Many even the farm workers have a savings to draw upon until better times can be had in the US.


Holy schit...

An accurate, non-insulting post by the TN mall cop.

Wow...

And, he's dead on the money with this one, too.
Originally Posted by Karnis
Know what is "funny" about this? The LIC said people would be arrested for going out to get ice cream and they believe him. What a joke.


They should arrest them for falsifying Legal documents. Every time a reporter intentionaly reports only part of the store or twists it like they are doing to the Arizona law they should be tried and convected of manipulating the truth to incite riots. Becouse that is exacty you they are doing in this case. I say arrest all of the politicians and reporters guilty of doing this. oh but that would not leave very many politicains or reporters left. Maybe that would be a good start in taking back our country (ACCOUNTABILITY for all)
Originally Posted by smalljawbasser
i can't help but notice the tone of something like regret from the school admins.

figures...


It's called decrease/lack of matching type funds derived from the gov't (aka-you and me) based on enrollment #'s. Less kids=less $
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by smalljawbasser
i can't help but notice the tone of something like regret from the school admins.

figures...


It's called decrease/lack of matching type funds derived from the gov't (aka-you and me) based on enrollment #'s. Less kids=less $


That's reminds me of what Chris Christie told one of the libtard teachers recently. $89,000 yr not good enough? Get another job. Funded by tax payers. Not enough tax payers=no jobs=cut staff for goobermint. Sorry your chitty policies don't work.

In a way I have to thank the libs and much of the media for the exodus. If they told the truth about the new Az law many illegals would chance it. After all you have to be stopped due to some law being broken when you cannot produce proper ID then it hits the fan.

It makes be grin everytime someone that hates the new AZ law gets all upset about anyone having to produce ID or documents. I got stopped yesterday for a taillight bulb that wasn't working. I had to show driver's licence, proof of insurance and registration. BIG DEAL.
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