http://www.startribune.com/local/12552126.html

Bad information leads police to wrong house; bullets fly
Minneapolis cops wearing bullet-proof vests were not hurt; homeowner says he fired in self-defense.
By Patrick Kennedy, Star Tribune
Last update: December 16, 2007 - 11:53 PM


Police blamed bad information for sending a SWAT team into a north Minneapolis house early Sunday morning in a raid that ended with shots exchanged between police -- who were struck by bullets -- and the resident, who said he was just defending his family.
The homeowner, who does not speak English, told his brother that he thought the police were the "bad guys" after they broke through the back door of the house, where he lives with his wife and six children. He fired and hit two police officers, who were not injured thanks to their bullet-proof vests and helmets, police said in a statement.
The Police Department's SWAT team was trying to search the two-story house at 12:46 a.m. in the 1300 block of Logan Avenue N., as part of an investigation by the Violent Offender Task Force. But police said that they learned later that bad information led them to that house.
"It was found out that this particular address was not part of that long-term investigation," police spokesman Sgt. Jesse Garcia III told KSTP-TV on Sunday. He told KMSP-TV that it was a "bad situation."
"It could have been much worse," Garcia added.
Dao Khang, who is the brother of the homeowner, Vang Khang, said his brother feared for his safety. "He took out his shotgun and he said if they are bad guys I'll shoot, I'll scare them away," Khang said. "He fired first, he told me it was two shots."
Vang Khang was taken into custody but later released. Dao Khang said his brother has been in contact with a lawyer and is considering legal action.
Khang and his children, who range in age from 3 to 15, were shaken, Dao Khang said. "All these gunshots in the house. They don't know what's going on. Flying bullets in the house and they just cried," he said.
Garcia told KMSP that police grabbed the family's children and shielded them during the incident.
Garcia did not return repeated calls from the Star Tribune on Sunday. Questions about the shooting on Sunday night were referred to Lt. Amelia Huffman, head of the homicide unit, who also did not return calls.
No one answered the front door at the house on Sunday night.
In a statement released shortly after 5 a.m. Sunday, police said that officers found no one on the first floor of the house. When they made their way up to the second floor, they were confronted by an adult male. The officers identified themselves as police, and the man fired several rounds at them. Several officers returned fire, but no one in the house was injured.
Investigations by the Minneapolis Police Department's homicide and internal affairs units are underway. According to standard department procedures, the officers involved have been placed on paid administrative leave during the initial investigation.
The names of the officers were not immediately available.
Patrick Kennedy � 612-673-7926

http://www.startribune.com/local/26083024.html




A family whose house was raided by police in error is outraged that eight officers involved were honored. Police say the eight, who also took fire, "performed bravely."
By RODRIGO ZAMITH, Star Tribune
Last update: July 30, 2008 - 5:27 AM


First, the city apologized. Then it gave awards.
Eight Minneapolis officers received medals in City Hall Monday for their valor in a botched raid that the city apologized for last year. That isn't sitting well with the family shot at multiple times by the officers.
"I'm shocked that they're receiving awards for that night," said Yee Moua. "My family is a mess right now. My [9-year-old] son, who saw the shooting, still has nightmares and has needed therapy. They've ruined a life, and I don't understand why they would get rewarded for that."
The awards stemmed from a high-risk search in December. The eight officers -- who had SWAT training -- entered the house expecting to find a violent gang member. Instead, they found Vang Khang, a 35-year-old homeowner who thought he was being robbed. Khang shot through his bedroom door at the officers until he understood who they were.
In the midst of the shootout were Moua, who is Khang's wife, and their six children, who range in age from 3 to 15. Moua said her family has since abandoned the house and can no longer afford to keep it.
Minneapolis police spokesman Sgt. William Palmer said Tuesday the department has acknowledged the raid was a mistake and has apologized to the family. But he said the officers "performed very bravely under gunfire and made smart decisions."
Minneapolis Police Chief Tim Dolan said that he knew giving the award might get negative attention but that "we've never not recognized an officer shot in the line of duty."
Three officers received shrapnel damage to body armor and their ballistic helmets, Palmer said.
Dolan said he did not speak with the family prior to the award ceremony, but he did speak with Hmong community leaders in north Minneapolis who were "mostly understanding."
"I can understand [Moua's] feelings, but the officers didn't make any mistakes and they were able to stop things from getting worse," Dolan said. "Like the old maxim says, 'You don't punish your officers for the mistake of the general.'"
'We almost died that night'
Police said they acted on bad information from an informant, who reportedly was a victim of a crime at a house in the 1300 block of Logan Avenue N. Police said they had no reason to believe the information was inaccurate and they had the right address on the warrant, but the house wasn't occupied by anybody they wanted.
The raid was part of an investigation by the department's Violent Offender Task Force, which typically goes after the most violent gang members and drug dealers. Officers had retrieved guns in searches connected with the case before the raid.
According to police, officers entered the home without knocking -- a standard procedure in cases where officers expected to find weapons -- and called out, "Police!" as they searched the home's first floor. They didn't find anybody, so went to the second floor. At a small landing at the top of the stairs, they again shouted, "Police!"
Shots then came through the walls and doors as officers searched two bedrooms, police said. It was Khang shooting from a third bedroom.
Authorities said there were children in the other bedrooms, and the officers quickly realized there was a language barrier. The older children were able to communicate to their father that police were in the house and to stop shooting.
"As soon as they started taking fire, [officers] got in front of the kids and used their body as a shield," Palmer said. "They used great restraint and shot precisely at where the bullets were coming back from."
Moua disputed the police account.
"They never identified themselves; we thought they were a whole bunch of drunk, crazy guys," she said. "We didn't know anything until my oldest son yelled, 'Dad, it's the police!'"
She also said the officers did not try to protect her children, but rather hid themselves behind furniture and shot back indiscriminately. She said officers treated her and her husband roughly, and did not explain the situation after the two surrendered.
"They stepped on my husband, and we kept asking, 'Where are the bad guys?'" she said. "We were just trying to protect ours kids. We almost died that night."
Lawsuit against the city
Sgt. Jesse Garcia said the city conducted an internal affairs investigation after the raid and the SWAT team was cleared of any wrongdoing. He said no other details were available because the investigation was still open.
Casper Hill, a spokesman for the city of Minneapolis, said the city has reimbursed the Khang family $7,500 for "miscellaneous expenses."
The family's lawyer, Thomas Heffelfinger, said that he has had ongoing conversations with the city attorney's office and that there will be a lawsuit if they cannot reach a resolution.
"They fired 22 rounds with 9 millimeter automatic weapons into a room with two adults and four children," Heffelfinger said. "That's not protecting kids. They were firing at a room they couldn't see into. They fired with the intent to kill the person on the other side of the door.
"To give these men awards for that behavior is nothing more than an attempt to sanitize their conduct."
Heffelfinger also said the family had lived at the house for four years and had no history of wrongdoing. He said police "failed to do their homework" and "acted outrageously once they got there."
Officers receiving medals of commendation included Sgt. Nicholas Torborg and officers Steven Blackwell, Matthew Kaminski, Ricardo Muro and Craig Taylor. Sgt. Michael Young and officers John Sheneman and Alan Williams received medals of valor.
"We knew there might be political implications with this," Palmer said. "We're not passing judgment today on the rest of what happened there. But those officers were shot in the line of duty, and there isn't an appropriate level of award for that."
Staff writer Abby Simons contributed to this report. Rodrigo Zamith � 612-673-4895

http://reason.com/blog/2007/12/18/more-on-the-vang-khang-raid

More on the Vang Khang Raid
Radley Balko | December 18, 2007
I'm quoted at length in this piece by St. Paul Pioneer-Press columnist Ruben Rosario on botched SWAT raids.
The police are in prime CYA form on the Khang raid:
Minneapolis police say they are not to blame for a mistake that sent a SWAT team into the wrong house over the weekend.
[...]
"It was bad information that came on the informants end, not on the police end," said Jesse Garcia, a Minneapolis Police spokesman.
Garcia said after the informant gave police three addresses they did their homework.
"Like I said, this is a long-term investigation that involved surveillance, looking at background of this whole situation to find out exactly what's going on," said Garcia.
In addition, a judge reviewed the information from police. The judge OK'd the three search warrants.
"The first two addresses were very good, a lot of information, numerous guns were recovered," said Garcia.
[...]
WCCO-TV asked police if they would make police changes to prevent a mistake.
"I don't think it was a mistake on our part, you know, we did everything correctly. We did everything in good faith, we followed the search warrant, we did everything correctly. It turns out some of the information that was given on the front end from the informant, just wasn't right," said Garcia.
But the informant works for the police. Informants aren't sworn public servants. They aren't trained to become police officers. They aren't accountable to the public. Most, in fact, are pretty shady characters. The police ought to be independently coroborrating every informant's tip before they go kicking down doors. Even a reliable informant could inadvertently transpose numbers, or get a street name wrong.
So don't blame this on the informant. It's the job of the officers he's working with to corroborate the information he gives them. If his information is wrong, and they act on it, it's their fault. They're the ones with the guns, the authority, and who are accountable to the public. The fact that they shot up the wrong house by itself indicates that the police made a mistake, here. Here's more from Minneapolis police:
"This house was part of a package of very credible information that resulted in other successful enforcement actions," she said. "This was the end of a chain of things, and there was no reason to question the credibility of the information."
Except that, quite obviously, the information wasn't credible. Or they wouldn't have nearly killed an innocent family.
The police apparently knocked out six windows in the Khang home, some of them before the shooting began. The fired 22 rounds, spraying the Khang home with shotgun blasts.
One local media outlet is reporting that the police were investigating a black street gang. Had they taken the two minutes to type the address into the local property records website, they'd have seen the name "Vang Khang" pop up, which should have at least hinted at the possibility that the address might be wrong, and that it would probably be worth the time to do a bit more investigation before heading out to play soldier.
The fact that the police didn't even take this small, not particularly labor intensive step by itself puts the lie to the statement that they "did everything correctly."

http://www.startribune.com/local/36059839.html

In a deal OK'd by the City Council, Minneapolis will pay a family more than $600,000 after a SWAT team wrongly raided its home.
By NORMAN DRAPER, a nd S TEVE BRANDT
Last update: December 13, 2008 - 7:38 AM


The money helps, but the trauma remains.
A family whose lives were shattered by a mistaken police raid a year ago have been awarded a $612,498 settlement by the city of Minneapolis to make amends.
The settlement, approved by the City Council on Friday, includes a flat $600,000 payment, which includes purchase of the home, and lesser amounts for medical care and rental housing.
In addition, the city will take over remaining mortgage payments on the home, said Thomas Heffelfinger, attorney for Vang Khang and Yee Moua. He said that totals $185,000 and saves the family from possible foreclosure proceedings.
The award is the latest in several payments to victims injured by city employees during the past decade, including a $4.5 million settlement with Duy Ngo, who was shot by a fellow Minneapolis officer during an undercover operation.
"It's only a mistake for them, but it changed our lives forever," Moua said Friday at a news conference held at Heffelfinger's office. "We want what's best for our children. It's a miracle we survived that night. No amount of money can fix what we went through that night."
Acting on wrong information from an informant, a SWAT team broke into Vang Khang's north Minneapolis house last December expecting to find gang members and illegal activity.
But Vang thought the SWAT team members were criminal intruders and shot through his bedroom door to protect his wife and six children, ages 3 to 15. Three officers were hit, but were not injured because they were wearing protective gear. The family also escaped injury even though police fired at least 22 rounds.
Police later admitted that the raid was a mistake and apologized to the family. Heffelfinger said police, who were looking for black suspects, should have realized that a Hmong family resided at the home, at 1321 Logan Av. N., because of various Hmong-related "ornaments and other things" both on the outside and inside of the house.
After the incident, the family said it could no longer live in the home and that at least one child needed psychological therapy. Moua said in July that her family was a "mess" and that one of her sons was still having nightmares about the raid.
Moua said Friday her children are still afraid of the police. She said she is trying to turn that around, to make them to believe that most police officers are good and are there to help, rather than harm.
"I told them not all police are bad," she said. "I don't want my kids to be afraid of the police."
Other elements of the settlement seek to improve police understanding for Hmong culture, and improve relations between police and the Hmong community. Those include the appointment of a police liaison to the Hmong community, more training for police and more efforts to recruit Hmong police officers.
"The police department recognizes that this was an unfortunate incident," Minneapolis police spokesman Sgt. Jesse Garcia said Friday. "At this point, we're pleased to have this behind us, and we look forward to building a stronger relationship with the Hmong community going forward. We wish the family well as they also move forward."
Asked how things would change as a result of the botched raid, Garcia said: "We're looking at how things are done, internally, in the hopes of preventing something like this from happening again."
A sour note for the family in the aftermath of the raid was a decision by the department to award medals of valor to the eight officers who participated in it. Mayor R.T. Rybak later criticized that decision.
Heffelfinger said the family was now living in an apartment in Minneapolis. He said they are looking for a new place to live.
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So, my workplace isn't the only place where total incompetence is rewarded (actually I think it's the ass kissing that's rewarded and incompetence is the side effect).

I read the whole story expecting either Clint Eastwood or a classic muscle car to be mentioned.

Ingwe

Glad at least Mayor Rybak has a "clue!" And a shred of decency.

Glad none of those dastardly (PIA) civilians were killed or wounded too.

ADDED: Too bad the department didn't also award itself "a medal" for STUPIDITY and THUGISHNESS. Azzhats.

Why don't you detail more of the federal firearms violations you have committed?

Good for you. Be advised, your opinion will get you labeled as a "cop hater" from many members here.

Ingwe

Josie...It's about time for you to go to the gym and oogle at cops again,isn't it. I'm guessing your yrting to get into the sauna for a peek too but heigth restrictions don't allow it.

Sorry you never had what it took to be a cop,Jacie. Psych evals are necessary though. You're a whack-job,dude. I give you maybe another month.

Amazing how simply paying attention makes one a bad person.

"The officers identified themselves as police, and the man fired several rounds at them. Several officers returned fire, but no one in the house was injured."

Um, I'm sorry, but identifying yourself as police AFTER you've illegally broken and entered in the middle of the night can just not reasonably be expected to satisfy any home owner of your identity. That's why we have warrants.

The idea behind a warrant is to give the home owner an opportunity to inspect a document authorizing entry, and to assure him that those seeking entry are not murderers, rapists, raiders, and such, and this is to be done in a civil manner designed not to breach the peace (part of the purpose of the warrant) of the home owner's residence. The sooner we get back to making this purpose a priority over "getting their man" the better for our nation. Liberty, and respecting fundamental rights of Americans, has got to be a priority over the police "getting their man" right there and then, and with maximum safety to themselves without regard for any other consideration.

Safety for police in the course of their work is very important (as it is for workers in any occupation), as far as you can pursue it within the bounds of legitimate law, but it's not more important than preserving liberty in America, and it's not more important than respecting the fundamental individual rights of Americans. Carried too far, the concern for police safety amounts to nothing less than tyranny.

I don't "hate" cops, but I do fear them AND DON"T TRUST THEM. And if I had a real crisis, would call them only because I'd be legally responsible if I didn't.

I try to obey the law and live under the radar, quietly going about my life! Same with the famm.

Understood, but just letting you know that if you don't support actions like those mentioned in the articles, that there is a squad here that will label you as a "cop hater."

I am surprised there hasn't been a certain member along to try to claim some sort of justifiable confusion between short, light skinned blacks, and tallish, dark skinned orientals by now.

This relates to a point I was making in another similar thread, and that's that the existence of police forces actually has the effect of making life safer for the bad guys by deterring behavior on the part of non-criminals which would otherwise make their occupations very dangerous were there no police forces threatening to literally ruin the lives of the non-criminals for reacting to crime in a natural way.

+1 Kind of like unionized labor. Yeah, someone else may do it better, but if they do they are apt to get a brick through their windshield for doing it.

DFTFT

Maybe if the homeowner could speak english he might of had a clue who they were. Don't you think that contributed to this situation?

Target fixation is a process by which the brain is focused so intently on an observed object that awareness of other obstacles or hazards can diminish. Also, in an avoidance scenario, the observer can become so fixated on the target that they will forget to take the necessary action to avoid it, thus colliding with the object.

The term "target fixation" may have been borrowed from World War II fighter pilots, who spoke of a tendency to want to fly into targets during a strafing run. For instance, it is believed that a previous head injury to Manfred von Richthofen, the Red Baron, caused the famed flying ace to develop that process that caused him to disregard proper caution and become an easy target for Allied forces to fatally bring him down.

Target fixation may also refer to a phenomenon where a skydiver may forget to pull the ripcord because he or she is so focused on the landing area

Target fixation is bad.

So you are saying the deaf are legit targets for any band of cops that can't get an address right?

I don't think the homeowner was aware of the police intentions until they broke in to his home. Had they shared the info with him prior to breaking in, perhaps he could have acquired the services of an interpreter to correct their errant ways.

Nice troll Pic I gave up on reading anything Jason puts up some time ago. Its always the same cop bashing crap,and after about the third read it is boring as hell.

Josie is a bitter little lightweight who is obviously in the system and wishes to blame 3rd parties for his failures. It's written all over him.

His obsession with LEO coupled with his OCD mental condition is a news story waiting to happen.

You should see his pic and details on his violation of federal firearms laws.

At least nobody is apologizing for the 600K epic fail, "Oops", yet... Though attacking the messenger is the SOP & implies blind acceptance. The valor awards going to the guys who were "Just following orders" must take away bit of the sting, though.

It's just too much to ask of the badge bunnies for a clear, no but, condemnation of these particular actions, while celebrating the vast quantity of good that the vast majority of LE everywhere do.

It would seem so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrO8AFGi_rc

Poor girl. Well, I guess she went easier than she would have at the slaughterhouse. Hope it was a quick kill.

I understand what Jason is saying.
And I understand what the "other side" is saying.

But... well....

There's so many, many things in life that couple seconds of video could apply to.

"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few that learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." Will Rogers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbht8fCGpfQ&feature=related

+1

on the contrary....I'd say it showed remarkable discipline that the cops were able to stand down, cease fire and get control of the situation without anybody getting killed despite the resident of the house having blasted two cops with a shotgun. That hardly seems like the bloodthirsty jackbooted Gestapo that little Jason has the weird fixation on.

This is the first thread I've read started by the OP. My perception of his threads is that most depict instances where cops are intentially bad or stupid to a fault. Maybe I'm ignorant, but I believe those instances are the exceptions.

The instance described here is different - the individual officers did nothing wrong - the failures were in police/justice system policies, procedures and management. If you're breaking down someone's door in the dark there is ZERO room for error. There is NO EXCUSE for this to happen - an action like this, in effect, has already deemed the occupants guilty of a crime punishable by death.

If I wake up in the dark with someone breaking my door down I'll be doing the same thing this guy did. Knowing that I have committed no crimes nor been remotely involved in any activity that would bring such a police invasion, I'm going to believe someone yelling 'Police' to more likely be a bad guy trying to fool me than actual police.

It's a miracle no one was wounded/killed. IMHO every police/justice system person involved in the solicitation of the information, issuing the warrant and approving the raid should have been severly reprimanded or punished....

I agree with your analysis, except that I think almost all the cases Jason brings up illustrate a systemic problem much more than mere incompetence.

nope....count them up. vast majority are simply a bad person who happened to be a cop got caught doing something bad.


I need to get busy and post some more "bad draftsmen" articles, I guess.

ONLY $600,000? The whole damn police administration should be brought up on charges and maybe half the city administration.

This kind of crap keeps up and many state legislatures are going to ban police commando units which would be a shame because there is a very limited use for them.

Is it possible for you to condemn the action, beginning with taking the word of a scumbag informant to a judge & the events leading up to, and including this particular wrong house, no knock raid?

Holding responsible, everyone involved in the mistakes that caused this to happen does not, in any way, minimize the good that is done when it's not a clusterphuck from the very beginning. Enough can go wrong, even when it is not doomed from the start.

Personal responsibility is the key & this one happens to start near the top, where immunity is clearly the most dangerous. A 600K payout by the people, while the actual cause of the entire mess are given a pass is absurd.

The guys who are "Just Following Orders�" should be howling bloody murder at the ignorant pricks who gave them the [bleep] orders. Instead, they accept accolades for being the last link in the chain of a clusterphuck. Sure, they didn't kill anyone.. Is that really how low you set your bar of what is acceptable? Really?

They fired 22 rounds in to the dwelling, that is hardly a sign of discipline on several levels.

Not Josie, but since I assume you are talking about me since you are attempting to slander, it is interesting that people who disagree with you are invariably accused of committing crimes yet one of your gaggle of buddies has not only posted pictures and details of their committing a federal firearms violation, but they have also encouraged other members to do the same and not a peep out of you or others like you.

They're not unpleasant douche-bags,lightweight. Plus, they have far more in their repetoire than the repetitive cackling of a convict who can't accept personal responsilibity for his failings.

Many, many, many things.
The most important of which, and my point in posting the vid, is redundancy. Enough is too much.
One shouldn't push things to the point it backfires. Train tracks don't often have 'one way" signs. And bovine can't read anyway.

A LOT of that going around in these interesting times........

Except, I haven't violated any laws. Of course we can always find you and yours on trying to run down anyone that points out those who are thugs so you can try to turn attention away from the people/behavior you support.

You could try playing a different card once in a while.

If only you had one...........

Why would I (or any other decent person) want to make excuses for bad cops who rape/rob/murder/destroy property/fabricate evidence/or similar acts? So I can be like you and the others like you here? Screw that.

Except, I haven't violated any laws.
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HS!

Crossfire had it right............."Endless Loop Dialog".........

Nope, none.

Come on isaac, keep making false accusations and calling me names which show your support for certain groups of people who actually do commit crimes.

I can't imagine why the douche-bag got tossed from his previous forum infestation.

That's it, keep the insults going. Show us how much you like actions like those committed in these articles.

No asswhipe...it's just YOU we can't stand.

Get a clue junior............

Jason, could you post a photo of your 375 H and H ?

Why don't both of you guys ban yourself for life from this site?

Sure has been the busy little beaver today.....


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You missed the posts in handguns & backpack hunting. I guess you don't hit those sections much.

And that would be because I don't support actions like those that were the cause of the article.

I don't own a .375 Holland & Holland??

What exactly are you trying to accomplish here Jason....

Serious question.

The guys executing the warrant didn't do anything wrong. The guys that gave them the address should have his balls smacked. Rarely are the guys executing a warrant the same as those conducting the investigation. Kind of like soldiers acting on military intelligence.

I do. Do you want to see mine?

Soldiers is the key word. Soldiers have no legitimate place operating against American citizens within the borders of the United States, and that's just what these folks are. If it quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, ...etc.

As far as the hunter's campfire goes, just sharing articles for the most part that may be of interest to others.

Other forums, learning new things either by questions asked by others or asking my own others and sharing what I know if someone asks a question I have had experience with.


So what is it you are trying to accomplish here?

Why sure

The wrong address people probably got awards as well.

Seriously, we ALL feel badly for how your mother's LEO boyfriend treated you as a young boy. I'm sure he was a complete POS that deserves to burn in hell. But you're an adult now, and it's time to seek counseling and move on with your life.

Interesting lie on your part. Think it will divert attention from the raid gone bad article for anyone other than people like you that support that crap?

fixed it for you......

URGENT ....

The Hospital called, they found you a donor brain.

Quit fooling around and take advantage of this opportunity.

You sure as hell have little or nothing to lose.

GTC

Nothing interesting about a person carrying around so much hurt and hatred. Seriously dude, life's too short. Let the memories die and move on.

Wrong, try again.....

You obsessively pimp all these bad cop articles expecting people to argue with you so you can play your one and only card.

For example:



Highlighted is where you [bleep] up, here........how many times have you slung that connotation in the past several months?

Here's your clue...just because folks can't stand your MO, your dumbphucktrollitude, and your obvious bias against LEO's, it in no way means any of us support the "bad" cops in the articles, or condone the crimes they may have committed.

You are good at telling us that though, which speaks volumes................

The cops in this thread were following orders and had enough brains to get the situation under control without anyone dying.

It's the brass that appears to have screwed up handing out an award for a blown warrant.

It is what it is and I really doubt what you are doing here makes a [bleep] damn to anyone...........

some people apparently just can't get past that prison ass rape thing.....Jason is working through it the best he can.

That ilk is defined as Blame Shifters, easily...........

I'm beginning to think that someone busted his bumper as well.

No, go peruse the other forums that you apparently aren't and yo uwill see that is very true.

I could care less if people comment. That you and others invariably gripe at anyone that is opposed to cops doing crap like this shows where you stand.

The cops in this article fired 22 rounds in to a dwelling where a family lived so claiming no one died as a result of their actions seems at best assinine on your part, or at worst an outright attempt to lie.

You sure do seem to be getting pissed off for someone claiming to not give a damn.

This is almost as informative as focusing tutorials

Flatter yourself to think I'm pissed at the likes of you.

A troll is what troll does, and you son, are a sorry excuse for even a bad one..............

Did JackieB make some prison brownies?

That would explain a lot...especially if he's still desperately trying to convince himself he didn't like it.

This is a really short thread with Jackie and TRH on ignore.

Man, you need some therapy. Living with your anger is going to eat you alive. You now discredit the very message you had hoped to put forth, but you can't stop yourself. In your mind, to stop now would be to admit you have carried it too far, so onward you march.

For all that matters, you now come across like a spanked child, mad at those who spanked you.

I'm pretty sure his got worn out. :>)

Keep on calling me names because I pointed out the actions of those you admire.

Dudette, you've more than wore that out...........

Hard to feign self-righteous indignation when this is your first post on the background check thread.

"Yep, several of the sheep have bleated in this thread."

You all keep calling me names. Been that way from the start about a year ago the first time I posted a reply that I thought this kind of behavior was a crock. If you don't like stories like this because of the cops actions it might make your position a little more believable if you didn't resort to the name calling.

Guys ...it is easy...don't feed the troll. JasonB has proved his worthlessness many times over.

And there were several of them saying they were ok with infringements on the 2nd Amendment since they claimed it made them feel safe.

Jason, did your wife/girlfriend/sister leave you for a LEO, geez, you have so much animosity.

Nope, I just find the behavior of rapists/robbers/murderers and so on disgusting and even more so when it is done by someone hiding behind a badge. Apparently many of you don't share that view since you seem surprised and even offended by anyone mentioning that view point.

You've made that statement and never backed it up.

It's just you....stupid.

I see how this works. You can denigrate but others can't.

She needs another hobby, this one isn't working out so well......

What a Cluster....this is

It clears up nicely when you put key posters on ignore.

So which type are you?

None of the above, or you would be defending me. Oh wait, I would have to have a badge and be any of the above for you to do that, sorry about that one.

Oh it appears others can, and do, all the time.

That family was lucky that the global incompetence of this police team included total ineffectiveness in the use of firearms...

The distribution of medals to this team of complete blunderers is totally incomprehensible.

One of the articles mentioned 22 rounds fired in to the dwelling by the officers. Despite that, several of the members have claimed the discipline of the officers was all that averted tragedy. Combine that with the anger they express over someone passing along an article like this and past apologies including "they have a hard job" or "this is only a tiny percentage of" and the only possible reason(s) they would make such comments is that they at least want to blow this stuff off if not fully supporting it.

Melt away.convict.

Have you ever considered the possibility that it has not much to do with cops, but it's something personal?

Another weekend thread, with you tossing out a post meant to rile people up, and several taking the bait.

Don't you ever get tired of this sh**?

I have of course noticed the personal attacks.

The last time I checked, I have no ability to force anyone to do anything including forcing them to respond with their displeasure that someone posts an article showing police committing these acts. Their behavior is consistent since it is the same people defending the police every time regardless of who initiated the thread.

Very tired of it. I would very much like to see no articles on this subject due to a lack of incidents for there to be articles about.

Ingwe

But then you'd have nothing to do, no way to amuse yourself.

I have lots of other interests and those are not amusing to me.

Then he'd have even less of a life - and that, my friends, is sad.

Well Joe, perhaps the topic in some of the articles will happen to the sunglasses and yellow shirt wearing members of your avatar and you can get back to us?

Jason, if it did, I wouldn't come whining to the internet to seek resolution or absolution, or whatever you're after.

If you have had a bad experience with the police that you need to talk about speak up, please. Otherwise, your obsession and apparent sole mission on this board are getting old.

Do you hunt or fish?

Do you ever contribute in those types of discussions?

Cars or hot women?

Anything else, please. This crap is getting old.

DFTFT

It's likely that had the homeowner successfully dispatched one of the invaders to his home that the cops would not have stopped their assault till he was dead, despite their subsequent realization they had the wrong house.

I'm glad he's keeping this issue at the forefront. If anything, it needs to be brought more out into public view. There is nothing more potentially destructive of liberty than a militarized police culture that's been given the go-ahead to ignore both the Constitution and American legal tradition.

Well good. Since you aren't very opposed to it, you might not report it at all so the people who enjoy doing it could meet their needs and the tax payers wouldn't be out any settlement costs.

Been through this all before, but here goes.

1) Nope. Doesn't prevent me from recognizing it when it happens to others.

2) Yes.

3) Yes. Apparently you don't peruse the other forums much. Even if I didn't, how would it change what the officers in the articles have done?

4) Only use for cars is getting from point a to point b faster than walking. Sexy ladies are of course fine.


Read the other forums for my other interests.

It seems like the only hurt feelers and most caustic replies are from those who do not condone the incidents brought up, yet rail, wail and gnash at the fact they are brought up. (Plus, the failure to notice that the posting of such incidents is increasing as the silly personal jabs and attacks increase, too...)

It IS getting increasingly ridiculous, but not just in the way y'all say..

At the forefront? Seriously? What changes do you believe he's effecting on a message board that's primarily oriented toward hunting and fishing? People here either agree with him or they don't, and not a damn thing changes due to his postings.

If he's serious, he'd be doing something in his community or his state. I'd be willing to bet he's doing nothing in either.

He just likes to pick a subject that annoys people, and then keep at it ad nauseum. The guy enjoys going out of his way to be as annoying as possible.

Personally, I agree with the point. But he's made it several times over. No one here doubts his position. So, from his continued harping on a subject he's worn out I can only conclude that he enjoys pissing people off and being as annoying as possible.

It's a sad way to comport yourself.

mind reader....they managed to stop after he shot two of them, that's pretty remarkable in itself.

A little bit of background on smokepole, he has been pissed off at me ever since I pointed out the similarities between drinkers and drug users were far greater in number than any differences. From there, it just snowballed when I would point out such things as the how the NRA had backed various anti-gun schemes through the years that are the basis for current anti-gun proposals and various other issues. I think one of the last go arounds on the Kifaru board was my position that placing new tracts of land under National Parks Service authority was a bad idea due to the NPS position at that time on firearms. smokepole liked the legislation and tried to further his position by claiming the US Forest Service was a branch of the NPS and their areas were firearms friendly so I was just making things up, which of course his attempt was totally bogus.

the articles are usually reporting that some cop or other got busted and was convicted of something. or a raid was bothced. OK.....so what, whiney boys? Is it a shock to your littlle world that it isn't all ice cream and ponies? That violence occurs and mistakes get made and people get hurt in the real world where there are millions of police/citizen contacts ever day.

If Jason and Hawk find this to be exciting and newsworthy....well, I guess they lead very sheltered lives. Well, other than Jason's horrible experience with an LEO, whatever it was that made him what he is.

Interesting Steve. You are saying the officers fired 22 rounds in to the home prior to the homeowner confronting them and getting off 2 shots?

To Hawkeye, this board is the forefront. Last time he went outside he almost got run over....

I applaud the city for awarding the medals to the Peace Officers in this event.

and then almost got hit by lightning....I can see why he stays indoors now to play with Jason where it's safe.

Unless the jack booted Gestapo decides to raid the wrong house or something and shoot his pits.

When you folks can't defend your positions with real arguments (which is the usual case), sure as shootin', out comes the grade-school-level ridicule. I guess you realize how transparent that pattern is, right?

The cringe factor has spoken!

You're the one who crys foul when they do and then do it yourself.

After you get it done to you often enough it is hard not to. I try to avoid doing it as it cheapens my argument, but I got it done to me long before I ever did it to anyone else and I get it far more often.

The lies that I have committed various crimes are a good example. Finally did that to isaac and he started whining right off the bat about it, but he and others are ok with it so long as it is going from them to someone else. Can't say I have ever heard you gripe at any of your ideological soul mates on that one.

You were the first to pull that trigger on the other thread.

I see hanging with that psychopath has also impaired your sense of humor.

"Can't say I have ever heard you gripe at any of your ideological soul mates on that one. [/quote]

Perfect example.

Difference is, I don't see them complaining about name calling and such. They give and take.

And Tweedledum makes his appearance right on cue.

Perfect example.

Difference is, I don't see them complaining about name calling and such. They give and take. [/quote]

isaac did

A little bit of background on JasonB.....he got kicked off the Kifaru board for doing the same thing he's doing here. He'd like to believe he got kicked off because of the opinions he expressed; you know he's a martyr for free speech and all that.

But it wasn't the message, it was the messenger. He went out of his way to be as annoying as possible over there too.

But I'll be fair and give credit where credit is due. He's very good at it.

No doubt that is the case. He's not long for here,either!

"A little bit of background on JasonB.....he got kicked off the Kifaru board for doing the same thing he's doing here. He'd like to believe he got kicked off because of the opinions he expressed; you know he's a martyr for free speech and all that.

But it wasn't the message, it was the messenger. He went out of his way to be as annoying as possible over there too.

But I'll be fair and give credit where credit is due. He's very good at it."

I'll second and confirm Smokepole's take on JB's antics on the Kifaru site. At some point you folks will get sick of wasting your time on a punk troll like JB and get back to hunting, shooting, fishing, enjoying life, etc.

Considering the only people I am aware of getting threatened with being kicked off by your buddy were people who expressed the same opinions as me, then it would seem that it was the opinion that was the problem.

Of course he was kicked off. He's nothing but a bed-wetting malcontent who is socially retarded.

I'm sure he pushed his agenda against law enforcement until they had enough of it and booted his retarded ass.

His so called love of freedom is nothing more than a mask for his intense, obssessive hatred of all authority.

The boy is a sick puppy.

"A little bit of background on JasonB.....he got kicked off the Kifaru board for doing the same thing he's doing here. He'd like to believe he got kicked off because of the opinions he expressed; you know he's a martyr for free speech and all that.

But it wasn't the message, it was the messenger. He went out of his way to be as annoying as possible over there too.

But I'll be fair and give credit where credit is due. He's very good at it."

I'll second and confirm Smokepole's take on JB's antics on the Kifaru site. At some point you folks will get sick of wasting your time on a punk troll like JB and get back to hunting, shooting, fishing, enjoying life, etc. [/quote]



Ahh yes, Clunie. Clunie didn't like my view on things so he started using his daughter as a way of making fun of me. So, I started working his daughter in to my arguments with him and then wonder of wonders Clunie suddenly was worried about bringing a man's family in to socio-political debates.

It's not the opinion that's the problem Jason, it's your continually beating the same [bleep] drum until people have had enough and you are banned.

No one likes hanging out with obsessive, mentally disturbed azzhats.

So you are saying people like hanging around with people that wet their finger, stick it in the air, and see which way the wind is blowing?

[bleep] retard.

Wonder who this fat sap is ? ? ?

He can't acknowledge the truth or provide an answer for his disturbed behavior.

He just wets his finger, sticks it in his ass and then sucks on it.

And you'll go on forever trying to explain why "everybody" else is soooo wrong and you are so perfect ... at least until they ban you from this forum too. Sorry to have even wasted these last few minutes posting here.
See ya, gotta go tie some flies.

Whoever it is, I bet his dick is smarter than jasonb.

Looks like he is headed for the mountains for some backpacking adventures.

Why would I have an avatar of someone other than me?

You need to step away from the Ring Ding's in a big way.

So you are one of those people that laugh and point out heavy set people to your buddies anytime you see one walk in to a restaurant? Figures.

That ain't enough bike for all that ass boy.

Go buy a semi and save a motorcycle.

It makes sense now. Fat boy has been picked on all his life and blames the world.

He's mad at the cops for making him pull in to the truck scales and sticking a wide load sign across his ass.

Probably hit that glob with a highway tax too.

Heavy set might even discribe me. Being 300 lbs isn't what I'd call "heavy set". Unless you're 7'6"

Rolling zip code.

I hope he stays out of Lousiana, it's a small state, he may tip it over.

I should have guessed that poking fun at the overweight would be in your lowbrow natures considering all the other childish name calling you engage in.

I believe that boy is speaking pig latin.

Can't say that that has happened. Most people stop the childish insults when they are no longer children.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlfcF1I5e_g

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One of those 3 sets of handcuffs arrests,huh?

What's your favorite meal Shamu, seconds?

He don't order buffalo wings, he orders the buffalo.

I thought you said you were overweight?

Heavy set? LMAO

Phat [bleep] is more like it.

He doesn't look like a full tick riding a mo-ped if that is what your asking.

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You did?

Not having a very good day here are ya BJ...er, I mean JB.

Coulda toldjaso...........

I hear women all the time ask, "Where have the all the good men gone?" Based on most of the comments on the Fire most men stay juveniles until they reach the nursing home or die whichever comes first. Only about 3% of us males are adult men. Sorry state of affairs.

I belong to couple of organizations primarily run by women. It is a pleasure to attend these organizations because the women do not act like juvenile girls.

So where have all the good men gone? There was never that many to begin with. Most men are just little boys masquerading as men.

I hear women all the time ask, "Where have the all the good men gone?"
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I can see why you would be constantly asked that question.

What a load of sanctimonious drivel...

Derby,

Go [bleep] yourself good man. LOL.

I'm waiting for the Lee24 response..............."That's not me in the pic........"

This guy's heavy set too......

JM, I'm not one to usually take part in pizzing matches, but I think you are being entirely too hard on obsessive, mentally disturbed azzhats.

It may not be. Because if it is him that means he has to have at least 2 friends.

One to drive the car and the other to take a pic of the hippopotumus.

I doubt he has 2 friends.

That was the film crew for "The Biggest Loser"

I have gone overboard with this. It just chaps my rear that good folks like Pat and NH K9 come on here and get slammed with bad cop threads, sometimes 2 or 3 at a time.

He's been getting a free pass with that crap and I just got tired of it.

I'm just gonna put him on ignore now and leave the fun to you guys.

JM.

I figured it was something like that.

George and Pat are top shelf in my book.

Having met them, hunted with them, and drank with them....Good People.

I agree. At least the guys that seem to have an axe to grind with LEO's are man enough to say they've had some negative experiences in their past which caused them to feel that way. I'm OK with that.

George and Pat have never been named in any of the articles I have posted so not sure how anything in it could possibly be construed as pertaining to either of them.

Now, when one of the cops gets on and tries to claim someone was talking to dispatch when they killed 2 kids while the article clearly states they were on the cell phone with their girlfriend, when one of the cops claims 120+db sounds don't cause hearing damage to save face, or when a cop claims a Taser doesn't cause physical harm immediately after pasting an article on how a Taser hit resulted in 2 broken arms + 2 dislocated shoulders during training, the articles still don't cast a negative light on them. They do it themselves.

Get a life dickhead..........

Jason earlier you said the shoulders and arms weren't broken. They were dislocated from the muscles. Which is it? Are you lying now or earlier? Which is it.

Dink

Ingwe

I really haven't. Seeing them violate various traffic laws (and no, they weren't going to a call) is annoying, but of course nothing major.

Everyone claims these events are rare, but posting a tiny percentage of those that happen still has the boosters bitching over the volume of stories.

JasonB, you've got that scooter,.....have you thought about getting a colorful set of Tights, and a Cape.

....Doing the "Super Hero" thing ?

You know, something along the lines of,

"Blarto the Masked Avenger"?

That might just be your real destiny, young Man.

GTC

No lie, just an error. Thanks for notifying me so I could correct it.

Is there any point you'll just stop talking?

Nope, that's "husky".

And you know this how?

Now now.. JasonB is just Big Boned..


Laffin! Now all your guys are fools for wasting your time arguing with a morbidly obese idiot!

With a great deal of effort I plowed through this thread. While Jason may push a point, the level of responses doesn't cast a good light on many of the long time Campfire members.

What ever happened to the Ignore feature if they can't tolerate reading Jason's comments?

I'm sorry to say that I have almost totally lost respect for a large number of members who I formerly thought were level headed. The rabid attacks sure don't show these members in a good light. From now on I'll have to be a lot more selective in whose postings I bother reading.

Jim

Living next door to them/just down the road from them and seeing them speeding until they pull in to their driveway day after day. Seeing them speeding on an interstate 100+ miles from their jurisdiction, but just a few miles from the police academy which is in the direction they are driving. Seeing them speeding until they turn in to a restaurant then go inside and place an order.

I can't tell you how that's going to worry me jim.[/sarcasm]

Well, with a bigger faster bike, and your new "Masked Avenger" outfit you could go out and wield the "Magic Kotex of Justice",
...or the "Get Right Ray",.....or whatever you come up with

jeez man, there's a whole new future awaiting you out there.

GTC

Verified how...?

Quit arguing with the masked avenger, he has powers beyond that of mere mortals.

GTC

Can't help it GTC...he makes so many erroneous ASSumptions I have to point out some of them.

I prefer not to use his full name, "Blarto, the Masked Avenger"

Be very careful you don't push him past wielding everyday assets like his "Magic Kotex of Justice" and into full assault mode.

I hear the "Blarting" thing is REALLY Awful.

Just saying.

GTC

"Blarto the Masked Avenger" needs a trusty side kick.

Whatcha think?

It's gotta be small enough to ride on the moped with him, but large and ferocious enough to assist with any avenging duties.

Hairless cat?
Shaved porcupine?
Or just an old sewer rat, missing most of his teeth.

Jason..why on earth would you put that avatar of yourself on here? Do you work security at the Mall of America?

I Like "Gummy the Rat" , myself.

not sure about the prerequisite "Super Power" that one would assume.

" Gummy the rat, and his foul urine of death"...?

That does compliment the "Blarting" thing, but I really don't like talking about it, it creeps me out, and scares me, too.

How about a Large Cockroach ?

GTC

A LARGE cocroach?

What, as in one that has reached puberty?

Male or female?
Might be on to something...

Trans gender, sucking on a crack pipe...(aka a glass dick)

Ahhhh yes, a Campfire Conscience Club member pontificates once again..........

Look Archer,......

This is an uncommon opportunity fore this somewhat confused young man, and we're putting together a whole new "Life Path" for him,.....let's go slow, and be very meticulous.

"Gummy the Rat" with the Pee of Death will fly,.....there's no reason at all not to let "Cholera The Cockroach, and her infestation of doom" ride along.

Man you HIT it with the "Small Companion" thing.

"Gummy" can be carrying Bubonic Fleas, too,.....hitherto un-named, of course.

I mean , who names fleas anyhoo ?

JasonB , you're gonna' thank us for this someday.

Just remember, alla' you "Volunteers", throwing in to help build a new and more honorable identity for this unfortunate JB.

The "Masked Avenger" thing is MY "intellectual property", and if we get a good screenplay offer, I'll cut alla' you in.

GTC

Guys ......quit feeding the troll

You just don't recognize a good "Super Hero" screenplay when you see one.

That's understandable, not all of us are blessed with visions of Hollywood starlets, and gala events.

Wait,....did I just type that ?

I gotta get back to the basic overview of "Cholera the Super Roach, and her infestations of Doom powers".

Something to do with surveiling crooked Police agencies, and than laying eggs that do Something (?) ( at this time undecided) in their precinct.

GTC

"Speeding??" You can't be serious.

This from a guy who professes to hate big oppressive government?

What, were they 5 mph over the limit, or 10? The very nerve.

Maybe you and Dwight Schroot (he of the auxiliary sheriff's deputy volunteers) can go and execute a citizen's arrest. The ghost of Barney Fife will be riding shotgun.

TFF.

Him & Savage99 should get along quite well...oh wait...

When I and everyone else is doing the speed limit and the officer blows by a whole line of traffic like we are sitting still. Oh, and I forgot sitting in the passenger seat once on the way to a strip joint while the driver (who was a newbie with a local office) was running 75-80 and we got pulled over followed by an, "Oh, I didn't recognize the car."

Feel free to blow it all off, doesn't matter to me. I can't begin to imagine the hell many of the victims in these articles have been through, but in the end they didn't get blown off and their attackers got convicted which must weird many of you out.

Depends on how the road is designed, sometimes there is a reason for a speed. Never the less, a man who tickets someone for speeding then speeds himself, is nothing mroe than a hypocrite and worthy of disdain. Just like boozers who pontificate on how dangerous drug users are to the public safety because they might be impaired.

2 sidekicks.
I like it.

Theme song.
Think theme song.

One comes to mind, it'd honor the dainty but devastating "Cholera", but I think Mexico already claims it as their national song...

Did Reefer Rat have a theme song?
Course, smoking dope don't rot your teeth. So "Gummer" must be a reformed meth head... or sumpin'
just kicking ideas around.

Well, I can see why you're upset, it must look like everyone is speeding by like you're sitting still with that bike loaded up and hauling ass like you do, what's your top speed, 35?

Seriously though, you seem to believe that everyone you get crossways with is not only totally out to lunch, but a raging hypocrite too. Every single person. Do you understand what that makes you?

One word: delusional.

How's Dwight?

sad situation all around. glad both the cops and civilians are ok. sounds like the police had questionable (at best) intelligence re: this raid. the awards to the police involved is unwarranted imo, though they have one of the most dangerous jobs imaginable.

One word for you tubbo: sanctimonious.

Since you don't have the will-power to push away from the table, and drop the ding-dongs, your criticism of others comes from very shaky ground and is not worth reading.

wildswalker - well I'm glad I have a conscience. It seems to be more than can be said for a lot of others.

Jim

Magnumdood - your sarcasm is to me like water off a ducks back.

Jim

Jim, we've decided to offer you a supporting role to "Blarto the Masked Avenger".

Something along the lines of the "Butler" in that [bleep] "Batman" yarn.......in the backround Frequently changing worn out Motorbikre tires and wheel bearings, washing capes,, dusting, arranging doilies,.......

..... and making sure that "Gummy the Crack-Rat" has an adequate supply of Dope, and "Cholera the Cockroach" has an adequate supply of fresh chit to eat. A wise and somewhat wry "Houseboy", as it were.

It's gonna be a GREAT screenplay.....there's a FINE team brainstorming it, at this very moment.

5.5 percent of the net,.......

Interested ?

GTC

LMAO...........you just can't make this [bleep] up!!

You go girl.........

I explained exactly how I knew they were speeding so now you resort to insults.

So what other classes of people do you feel are not worthy?

For me, it's boozers.

I take it you are on the wagon?

You claim status as a member of a class of people? What characteristics must one have to be classified with you, a complete lack of self-discipline?

No, I'm not but you are in fact the biggest loser.

Seriously. You want to bust on someone, call them a "boozer," and turn around and whine when someone calls you chubby?

And then call others hypocrites?

Don't forget all the pot heads at the Campfire.................oops I meant true Americans seeking freedom from TearKnee...

You gave two examples. That hardly typifies the general behavior of Peace Officers.

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Could I get you to post a full sized pic of your avatar ?

The screenplay team needs to get art working on how to pose "Gummy the Crack Rat" and "Cholera, the Cockroach of Doom" with you , on the scoot.

We may have to photoshop in a WAY bigger bike,.....by the time we get the Cape and "Support critters " aboard, that thing's gonna look pretty absurd.

Not that it didn't, already.

God, you must be hell on wheel bearings and tires, not to mention brake shoes.

GTC

I gave one specific example of speeding which involved 2 cops, one speeding and the other approving of it. I also gave 3 additional types of examples (officer speeding home, officer speeding to a restaurant, officer speeding way, way, way outside their jurisdiction) that I have observed hundreds of times which frequently also involve other officers who are on the job observing them speeding and giving them a friendly wave as they go on by.
Hardly limited behavior.

Well, if you're going to accuse them of illegal behavior (Of which I'm sure you never engage in), be specific in your numbers. If you're so concerned it seems you would have a running tally you could turn over to the proper authorities to get this heinous police behavior stopped.

LMAO, thanks for that one!!!!

But couldn't you find one with a giant twinkie?

And do ya'll reckon that "Informant" is sitting back laughing his azz off?

Where, pray tell, is the celebration of the "vast quantity of good that the vast majority of LE everywhere do", other than the fragment of a sentence hidden in an overall condemnation of the Police?

LOL! I hope SD sees this...

I am referring to you guys. You seem to be overly upset at the mere mention of the bad behavior having a light shined on it. The numbers speak for themselves. The fact that in the overall scheme of things the rarity of the bad actions is the precise reason that they are newsworthy. It is impossible to quote the thousands of routine interactions that happen, because they don't make the news. The officer who was almost shot by the drunk is a perfect example of united, 100% agreement. Nearly any "bad cop" thread... not so much.

For every mention of it to become a fight with (hopefully)good guys taking offense and howling, instead of simple condemnation seems to illustrate either a guilty conscience, lack of honesty or simple stubbornness. The harder you guys try to gloss it over by shouting down the messengers in ever increasing absurd ways, the more ridiculous it appears.

+1 Exactly right.

I"m sure most agree.
What so many are disagreeing with is Jason's continual harping, like some nagging old woman. Nothing wrong with news stories pointing out that bad people do bad things but Jason seems to have taken particular offense. Not just to bad men with badges but anyone and everyone with a badge.

Like a comic strip super hero... trying to change the world for the better... all by himself.
After a time it looks more like graffiti than anything.

(100), exactly wrong. I can't speak for the others, but personally I'm not "overly upset" at anything.

That's not the point though.

The point (for me anyway) is that JasonB did not make "mere mention" of bad cop behavior, he's made many repeated references to it, made it his personal crusade as it were; ad nauseum applies here.

So dispense with the "mere mention" reference, it's a non-starter. Nobody is objecting to the "mere mention."

This is a discussion board. JasonB's method is not to have a discussion, it's to harangue people; piss people off, and get a reaction out of them. Why else would he beat such a dead horse? I believe he does it for amusement, and I believe that's a sad way to comport yourself on a discussion board. Or in general.

If this is a discussion board, and you liken the members to a bunch of guys sitting around a campfire, or better yet, sitting on their front stoop shooting the sh**, then JasonB is the guy on the corner haranguing people about the end of the world.

Yes, JasonB has every right to speak his mind. But the guys on the stoop have every right to tell him to shut the f*** up, too.

The best outcome would be for everyone to just ignore him, but on a board like this with so many different members and points of view there will always be a handful of guys who just don't want to put up with his sh**, and tell him so. He counts on that.

How are child support payments coming? Or should I say lack of? Grin

if you want to see a portrait of an obsessive, click on Jason's name and then click on his posts. Yo, Jason, some gym time might be preferable to your never ending quest for cop stories on google. Sorry they wouldn't let you in, but this is not the way to get even.

On the plus side, his last couple of posts have simply skidded into obscurity with no replies. too boring even to respond. which is, I suppose, the way to finally deal with this guy.

Little does he know,

(Best 1950's radio announcers voice)

he's now incurred the wrath of "Blarto, the Masked avenger".

As he dons his cape, and warms up his trusty 125cc steed, "Gummy, the Meth Rat, and Cholera, the Cockroach of doom" stand ready to accompany him on yet another 25-28 MPH adventure on the highways and bi-ways of America.

"Gay Jim", his trusty Butler and houseboy gives him a warm embrace and a peck on the cheek, and the super-heroes mount their trusty steed.

In a screech of complaining wheel bearings, and a .......

smokepole...well done!!

the rattle clanging of an over burdened little 4 stroke, dripping oil and spitting smoke....

I privately warned him very early on to back off on the rapid fire nature of his posts on this subject. The problem is overload. People eventually just tune out, which doesn't serve his intended purpose.

That said, I think it's an important issue, and needs more exposure than it usually gets. When tyranny comes to America, it will inevitably be wearing a policeman's badge. Just the nature of tyranny. This alone warrants keeping a very careful eye on this issue, and making it very public.

Good grief!

Name a tyranny whose cutting edge against its own population wasn't wearing a policeman's badge. Do you think that somehow America is genetically immune to tyranny? We are not. Tyranny, in fact, is just about inevitable in every society absent an extremely vigilant populous. The Founders understood this, and tried to pass that lesson along to us moderns, but unfortunately it's a quickly fading message that few are willing to listen to, and too many are quick to ridicule.

Thinking back a bit, there was the same kind of wailing nearly every time anyone posted that type of thread. No matter who posted it. The increase of the stories, likely due to more video/audio recorders out in the world is another possible cause of misguided allegiance by those who are perfectly happy with the ever increasing .gov power and enforcement by any means necessary that comes along with it.

I wonder if there is ANY quantity of this type of story that might be accepted and not shouted down by the resident mob? From previous history, before this current frenzy of indignation, I think probably not..

Well, with "this type of story" we'll never know as long as JB is the proponent.

Because he will blow by any reasonable quantity before we can make that determination. Especially once he knows he's hit a nerve, then it's a foregone conclusion.

you completely misinterpret the reaction.....completely.



Like Groucho said.....I like a good cigar, but I take it out of my mouth every once in a while.

Portrait of an obsessive....and I only stopped because I got bored, it goes on for pages and pages:

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Privateering sans the boats Hunter's Campfire Yesterday at 04:54 PM
Think there was a no weapons policy here? Hunter's Campfire Yesterday at 04:46 PM
Ohio Police Can Guesstimate Speed Limit Violations Hunter's Campfire Yesterday at 04:32 PM
Re: Awards all around when officers are shot while raiding home of innocent citizens Hunter's Campfire Yesterday at 04:27 PM
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the idea that anyone who doesn't share Jason's obsession....whatever caused it.....is somehow a sympathizer with police brutality is absurd.

In the old days, it was Barak who occasionally posted these types of stories, and usually without comment. The usual suspects at the fire had precisely the same reaction in those threads as they have recently with Jason's posts, i.e., in an effort to drown out all opposition to their own uncritically pro-police viewpoint, an avalanche of contemptuous ridicule was directed at anyone who expressed a concern.

Well, back in the days of Wyatt Earp.......

At least Barak was honest enough to say he thinks all police are simply agents of the oppressive illegitimate state and all their actions are therefore illegitimate.


Jason is less forthcoming about the source of his fixation.

At first I figured a bad experience, either personal or someone close to him. But a comment earlier (Yours, Steve IIRC) about rejection makes sense, too.

I experienced the rejection myself. First couple interviews went well enough but as the questions became more probing in nature it seemed my responses weren't appreciated. I was pretty young at the time. They told me I was "too soft hearted and too concerned for individual freedoms" for the job. It struck me as odd, especially the second part, but I moved on unconcerned and undamaged. No biggie.

Steve, a little honesty. Please. The vast majority of those posts in your wall of text are responses to the ever increasing personal, childish attacks by you guys, as are quite a few of the newer posted incidents. I guess either he or your mob will tire of it and "normal", everyday chit slinging can return,.... or not.

The, "I agree with the premise, but not if a "Poopy Head" says it", has got to be one of the least effective, counter productive tactics I've seen. It is kind of funny, but damn, at some point don't the third grade games get tiresome?

I agree with Hawkeye here and that is my only point with Jason's over the top OCD. Any point he was trying to illustrate was lost long long ago.



If anyone doesn't think this is over the top I don't know what is... Just check the times....0445 till 2300 and it's basically like the movie Groundhog Day..

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You're anything but objective TRH; referring to us as suspects is very telling.

You're being too literal. It's a figure of speech. In this case it refers to the bunch here who usually participates in the "pile on" of anyone suggesting that there's a problem with modern trends in law enforcement.

can one make the case for usual suspects that continue to post anti-LEO threads without the due diligence to defray the broad brush implication?

You folks here are so much more creative at shutting down stupidity. When JasonB was pulling his troll stuff on the Kifaru.net site, they tried to be polite and PC ... the other end of the spectrum, so to speak. Either way his mind-numbing methods were put to rest with REASON (and some humorous bashing).

I liked smokepole's bait (with issac's burger).

Where's JB now? Come on JB, let's see your next hypocritical move. Who you gonna trash talk next? The food industry? They made you eat all those twinkies, right? It's a conspiracy and the gov is in bed with them.

Last report we have is that the Masked Avenger's rear tire was being replaced, he was in a Fast Food Joint across the street with the Rat, getting themself a "Fix".

The Cockroach was reported to be out back in the dumpster, feeding on used Tampax, but that is at this time unconfirmed.

We have established that the Rat very seldom goes far from the Avenger. Apparently this one ("Gummy") suffers from the all time king-hell "Fetal Crack baby syndrome',....having grown up in the sewers beneath a major Meth brewing district. As the backround story of this strange bond formed between man and rat develops we will continue to report.

Roaches, as you already know, are just hard to keep track of.

Blarto, the Masked Avenger, and his team of Justice seekers,....

an evolving saga.

GTC

That poor motorcycle isn't near large enough for him. I suspect there are days when it takes him several laborious minutes to extricate the seat from his azz-crack.

So I post once, then parties demonstrate their being upset that police misconduct has been pointed out by either asking me questions and/or the usual personal attacks, and my response to your posts is somehow an indicator of me being bad? You boys just keep on doing your Jessie Jackson/Al Sharpton bit for the wayward officers.

You�re a cancerous growth on the board fat crack.

That would be..........a good start.

You are far from stupid. You knew the response you'd get.

Hey JasonB, don't let these hypocrites bother you one whit. They claim you�re obsessed with cops while they themselves are obsessed with you. Apparently the truth hurts, otherwise why would they object to factual posts?

Lol.........so speaks the JasonB fanclub.

Lol.........so speaks the BJ-giving fanclub.

Did you think that up all by yourself or did your b/f JasonB help you with it?

Notice how the first thing you had to bring up was "b/f"?

I think we've all heard what goes on in those Ak Mtn Hntg cabins, in that state comprised mostly of men, snowed in, isolated from the rest of the world, taking turns in the barrel...

Wismon...breaks over,dude. Folks need their bowling shoes!

Isaac...breaks over,dude. Folks need you to work on their ambulance-chasing cases instead of defrauding them by typing here while you're billing by the hour in Reston!

Your attention to detail is extraordinary,Einstein!

AS opposed to you bringing up BJ giving?

Heady company you�re keeping wismon, two fellow cop-haters, TRH and phatt [bleep]. Despite what mullets like you three would have the board believe, the police in America enjoy a very healthy backing of an over-whelming majority of the American public.

Ballsaac, Your writing ability is extraordinarily poor for a lawyer, Johnny Cochran!



Mac69, ASSES opposed, you give up BJ�s.



Magnumdoody, Yeah, sure, and that�s why mullets like you are so touchy about the topic.

Are you pre-teen?

Pre-human.

Why, is that what you�re into, Ballsaac?



Is that what you�re into, JohnHoses?

For Gawd's sake wismon, at least be original, unless you're not able. If all we can expect from you is the "I'm rubber and you're glue..." level of discourse, I'll just put you on ignore and save myself a lot of time.

Ah hell, why wait?

*click*

Magnumdoody, you're obviously not very good at ignoring, ignoranus.

Creepy Seplechor kinda' voice ( Boris Karloff would do)

You have ALLLlllll, invoked the wrath of "Blarto, The masked Avenger"

abandon hope.

GTC

You're giving him waaaay too much credit Mac.

Very cute. Bout what I expected, cock fantasies from the git.

Nope, but I bet your daddy was and you are the resulting steam pile.

Go bathe you smell like schit. Wait, you are schit, nevermind.

if you're hoping for a ride on the motorbike with your new bff, I wouldn't hold my breath.

and if you can't recognize a sick, bizarre obsession when it's in front of your face, nobody is going to be able to enlighten you

so, please, continue to enjoy the breathless news flashes from bizarrotown

Oh, and you want a little more honesty? Here's just one page of the topics he started:


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Maryland Police Again Threaten Citizens With Arrest for Filming Them in Public Hunter's Campfire Yesterday at 04:44 PM
Privateering sans the boats Hunter's Campfire 06/07/10 04:54 PM
Think there was a no weapons policy here? Hunter's Campfire 06/07/10 04:46 PM
Ohio Police Can Guesstimate Speed Limit Violations Hunter's Campfire 06/07/10 04:32 PM
Former Officer Sentenced In Attempted Sexual Assault Case Hunter's Campfire 06/05/10 12:17 PM
Awards all around when officers are shot while raiding home of innocent citizens Hunter's Campfire 06/05/10 07:38 AM
$9.9m payout for man framed by New York cops Hunter's Campfire 06/04/10 09:50 PM
ILBE main pack vs. Kifaru? Backpack Hunting 06/02/10 04:49 PM
Ex-CSI chief gets prison for evidence tampering Hunter's Campfire 06/02/10 04:42 PM
John W. "Jack" Hinson Hunter's Campfire 05/31/10 08:33 PM
Deputy breaks both arms in Taser training Hunter's Campfire 05/30/10 07:14 PM
An oldy, but a goody Hunter's Campfire 05/30/10 03:07 PM
MIAK Tactical Weapons Clearing Station Hunter's Campfire 05/29/10 08:33 PM
Recurve rest & fletching Bowhunting 05/28/10 07:52 PM
�The patterns of misconduct were longstanding, repetitive and ongoing. The misconduct cannot be characterized as isolated incidents.� Hunter's Campfire 05/28/10 05:20 PM
A big thumbs up for Amir Johnson & Patrick Murphy Hunter's Campfire 05/27/10 07:59 PM
rapist gets work release Hunter's Campfire 05/27/10 07:36 PM
Officers Enter Wrong House In Drug Raid Hunter's Campfire 05/27/10 07:07 PM
Shade tree botanists root up Texas park Hunter's Campfire 05/26/10 06:06 PM
Jury selection begins in Ill. police torture trial Hunter's Campfire 05/25/10 05:50 AM
Former West Harlem Police Officer On Trial Again For Sex Crimes Hunter's Campfire 05/25/10 05:38 AM
Ex-OC cop pleads guilty to sexual battery Hunter's Campfire 05/24/10 06:02 AM
Sleepy Hollow cop admits he filed false police report Hunter's Campfire 05/24/10 05:42 AM
Chicago Police Taser Unconscious Man Having A Diabetic Seizure 11 Times Hunter's Campfire 05/23/10 09:22 PM
Our primary job is not to help anybody, our primary job is not to assist anybody, our primary job is to get those numbers and come back with them Hunter's Campfire 05/23/10 07:45 PM
Lee County Sheriff's deputy has entered a plea of guilty to four misdemeanor counts involving the theft of items from people during a traffic stop. Hunter's Campfire 05/23/10 08:30 AM
Lorain police officer intoxicated on the job resigns Hunter's Campfire 05/23/10 08:20 AM
State trooper gets probation in 126 mph crash that killed teen sisters Hunter's Campfire 05/23/10 08:14 AM
Former Alton police officer sentenced to prison...again Hunter's Campfire 05/23/10 07:47 AM
Ex-Cache County jail officer gets a year in jail for having child porn Hunter's Campfire 05/23/10 07:45 AM
Small town police chief sent to big house Hunter's Campfire 05/22/10 07:14 PM
When you can't punish the falsely accused, just let the whole thing go Hunter's Campfire 05/22/10 10:15 AM
Don't sweat it, just make something up Hunter's Campfire 05/22/10 09:11 AM
Hot tip: When you scratch the house number off, take the debris with you Hunter's Campfire 05/21/10 08:01 PM
Not a hit & run/DUI because he was too drunk to know what he was doing

What Jason doesn't(or won't?) realize is that his incessant harping on the subject of Police abuses doesn't help the cause any. If anything, it may have the opposite effect.

I guess I have come to the conclusion that Jason is more interested in stirring up chit than he is drawing attention to the facts of the matter.

Naaa. No BFF bike rides, but your continuous attacks are somewhat entertaining. Just kind of recalling some of the prior reactions by your crew to pretty much any mention of this type of issue. The current flurry and level of absurd personal type attacks is a reminder of how consistant you guys are. You SAY that the incidents are not condoned & only the messenger is not accepted. The truth is, there is no messenger that is acceptable, as the actual message is the problem.. No matter if it's ten per day or one per month. This has been shown fairly often in the past, even if there are weeks between any mention of an incident..

The attempt to divert the attention with,

"This is only a small fraction of interactions.." Of course it is. This is what makes it news. Although, some of your rage and indignation seems to be at the clear video/audio evidence that is bringing more of these cases into the public eye a bit more often. It is likely not as rampant as some would have us believe, but also more likely than many of you care to admit..

"You guys hate all cops.." Absolutely not true. Evidence is in many threads where LEO are shot at, murdered, save lives, arrest bad guys, etc, etc...

The ridiculous lengths you are going to in order to minimize what you claim not to support is as absurd as you guys trying to shout down the mere mention of the incidents, no matter who brings them up. Your current target is engaging your personal attacks and degenerating behavior in an escalating manner, clearly. It seems to be an increasingly passive agressive response to clearly, overtly agressive attacks.

Can you admit or recognise that the quantity of the stories has increased directly in proportion to the ridiculous personal attacks by your band of Blinded Badge Bunnies? (I use this term, to illustrate the exact type of blindness you are accusing others of having against ALL cops..)

If a cop kills a guy who tried to murder him, I say, "Good shoot, without any "Buts" or pissing and moaning.. If a cop beats the chit out of some knothead, just because he gets mad, or innocent people are targeted by piss poor investigation it's just as easy to say, "Bad cop, fire the bastard.."

The awards given out in this wrong house raid are absurd, even though it wasn't the actual guys on the raid's fault. Heads should roll, though likely not the poor bastards who were sent in on terrible intel. (They should be LIVID that they were put into this situation.) You guys are more worried about the effect on good cops, by association, than fixing the root problem. If you can't see the absurdity of awards being given out in a goatphuck like this, it can't be explained to you, either..

Please give me an example of an acceptable way to bring up this subject that doesn't offend you. Is there a disclaimer, or time between postings that is less offensive? The claim that the current assault is due to the messenger kind of falls short, as nearly every mention over the years has seen similar behavior. Not quite as caustic, but certainly not well received..

How about him posting something other than his cop hater threads, they do get quite old. And you guys continue to tell us how we accept bad cop behavior when we have stated over and over and over again that it is not aceptable yet you guys continue to harp on that subject. Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind.

If it were only directed against your current target, you would have a point. This has been a pattern for years, no matter the messenger, or time between posts, though it is more glaringly clear now, as the target has decided to escalate, big time. As far as the pot calling the kettle black... Every pot, pan and dish in the place seems to have been stained by this mess.

What about the absurdity of the general and blankment statements? I don't see you or others correcting the bs that tries to get passed off as fact. For example, when posters make claims that "90% this or most that" when in fact they are just talking out of their arses. Not picking a fight with you olu but it cuts both ways.

If by "90%", you mean somebody says that is how many bad cops there are, I agree with you that it is a clearly, stupidly high number to even suggest. Blanket statements by either "Side" are not true, honest or productive. Be they by Jason, me or anyone else. There is less of that, from what I've seen, though we're all looking pretty hard for it.

This thread is like all of the stereotypes by both camps wrapped up in one big, stinky, dirty diaper.

This particular incident was clearly bad, even though nobody was killed. That isn't the point & everyone knows it.

The incident where the drunk idiot fired the 41 magnum at the officer who returned fire, killing the drunk attempted murderer was clearly a good shoot. He deserves a medal of valor. The guys duped into a wrong house raid, not so much, no matter their good intentions. Higher up heads should roll and policy for allowing a raid should be reviewed and changed to prevent idiocy like that at the urging of the cops put into that terrible position. The "awards" are as absurd as saying 90% of cops are bad.

Simple honesty would likely see a lot more agreement than gradeschool bullchit we've seen lately. Who is being the most childish? Honestly. (Not saying you, either. it's pretty obvious who has reached the highest level of absurdity..)

I don't get offended by it, personally.
And, I don't have anything personal against JasonB-in fact, I think some of his posts in the handgunning forum concerning 1911s are good, helpful posts.
However, I can see why he irritates folks on the police threads, and to tell you the truth, if I was a cop I would get tired of it; tired of always having to defend your profession on this site.
Just my 2 pennies, folks.

A post about a bad shoot, commando type no-knock raids gone wrong, innocents getting hurt while officers are 'thinking' they are doing a good job, is being a watchdog and bringing correctable policy to public opinion.

Individual rouge LE committing crime outside of policy is just another criminal and like the teacher that molests children or a draftsman that cooks crack in the basement, I don't need to hear about 5 of those from the past everyday to understand it is going on, completely marginalizes the 3 or 4 posts of his that are worthwhile.

Completely different from the daily 'current' posts of border and illegal political issues being posted. These have a positive effect of pro-action with the coming elections. Jason has referenced these posts as justification but his posts have no redeeming social agenda.

He's jealous of the border attention and support for political change and upset his topic isn't accepted as such.

Kent

it is boring, pointless and long ago ceased to have any informative function. it is simply venting by an obsessive, for reasons buried deep in a very disturbed mind. what is stranger is that fairly normal people profess not to see anything strange about it.


how about 200 threads on parking tickets?

Considering the guilty parties in the article are not broadly listed as "the police", but are listed either as individual officers by name who committed crimes or specific departments that are exhibiting questionable behavior, I can't see any reason what so ever why anyone would need or want to defend their actions unless they were in favor of those actions. One exception seems to be Maryland police get listed in bulk, however I did link to an article on 2 members of the Berwyn Heights, MD department that seem to be decent fellows. On average, I don't think I have seen too many positive mentions of MD policing from anyone so if good ones pop up please feel free to add to the tally.

Like I have said before, many of those issuing complaints are no different than Al Sharpton type characters showing up to defend a black guy who is on video killing a convenience store clerk and trying to claim that anyone who thinks the black guy who committed the crime was in the wrong somehow hates all blacks. Obviously no, but anyone that doesn't hate all blacks probably does have to wonder exactly why any portion of the black community would be turning out to support someone who committed a crime simply because they had something in common.

If a community was engaged in some sort of parking ticket scam (cooking the time somehow) it would be an obvious benefit to share that information so that people could avoid that corrupt practice and take their business to other towns where the authorities are acting properly. Why would you not want that information shared Steve?

Couldn't find anything wrong with my commentary, could ya.

Kent

problem as I see it, is pointing out the very minority of bad things that happen, just like a liberal or MSM news media, trying to make the worst out of the best...

For every bad issue you see, how many thousands or tens or hundreds or millions of good things did LEOs do today?

So how is the fishing these days?

JasonBig is precisely like PMSNBC; all liberalism all the time. If it made Bush look bad they ran it to death. If Bush did something well, or gave a public address, they refused to air it. JasonBig obviously seeks out stories to make the police look bad. Steve has shown a single page of JasonBig's posts on more than one occassion. It was all hate-cops-all-the-time in every example.

http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_D_wleach05.22f65e1.html

1 cop violated the law and 6 (those named at the end of the article) helped try to cover it up. Yes, I know it says Officers Grant Linhart and Jeremy Miller acted appropriately, but somehow I doubt Officers Grant Linhart and Jeremy Miller contact anyone to make sure it is ok to arrest drunks that are staggering around sans badges.

JasonB,

Did you ever pursue a career in law enforcement?

I'll bite. How does a wide variety of questions and comments on backpacking gear, pistols, rifles, gunsmithing, and reloading have anything what so ever to to with cops?


Another thing. If I post an article that mentions a specific crime committed by a specific officer, and you and yours respond that the article is about all officers, what exactly is it about the cops you know that the article causes you to think of them?

Can't say that I did. Considering I am not mentioned in the article, what difference does it make?

Psych eval and obstacle course put a quick end to it,if he was ever that delusional. He's definitely been in the system,more likely as a defendant,though.

Just wondering why such a hard on for the police.

Crossdresserpoops, did you hear about the transvestite that would earn money doing disgusting things with creepy guys named Boris or Blarto? Among other things he/she would, for a fee, pi$$ on those guys but, no matter how much they insisted he/she wouldn�t, for any amount of money, poop out his/her sphincter on them. I hope you weren�t too disappointed.




Hey Magnumdoody, I thought you were ignoring me. At least make a pretense, big turd.




Mac69 fantasizes about gitting what he expected: very cute cock. [bleep].




JohnHoses, are you sure you aren�t thinking of that time you tried to ask that �pre-human� she-mule for a date and she pile-kicked you into a steaming schit bath? Don�t worry, if she wasn�t the one for you there are plenty of fish (and reptiles and birds and mammals and insects) in the sea.

Grandmom's sleeping,huh junior?

There you go again, Ballsaac, hoping to find juniors without the supervision of their guardians. We'll probably see you on Dateline's "To Catch a Predator" at some point.

Princess, your panties are showing, you throw like a girl...

When you get big enough to chuck some real insults, come on back, we might be impressed.

Kent

kruptkop,

Who�s trying to impress anyone? JasonB made a post and in response you cowardly would-be bullies called him all kinds of names. I simply pointed that out and for so doing you cowardly would-be bullies summarily blew your gaskets and attacked me. So I responded in kind. In this thread I haven�t said anything nasty to anyone who didn�t first say something nasty to me. Normal people understand that. Cowardly would-be bullies and corrupt cops don�t; they�re used to doing and saying whatever they want, with impunity. But here they can�t taze anyone so it upsets their understanding of the universe and they have trouble coping with that.

Quote me... Jason won't even try to refute my commentary.

My commentary wasn't nasty about you, only about your lack of insulting ability... I look forward to your improved abilities in the future.

Yawn...

Kent

Before I tell you goodbye (again), let me compliment your use of multiple personalities. Bye

more likely had a career being pursued by law enforcement, be my guess

prison ass rape would be the most likely cause of his bizarre obsession with police misconduct....had to be something big to knock a screw loose that bad

Oh nooo! [bleep] doesn't like my "insulting ability". Blah, blah, blah, him, him, him�[bleep]'s as narcissistic as Oblahma.



Lt. Bowel, You're thinking of someone else. But 'bye nonetheless, hammerhead.

never heard that one before

hurt my feelers...

'Chuckling' in the shorts of those like Jason isn't having your own life boy. Time to wipe your chin and see if your feet walk on their own...

Kent

Try again Wis, you started the cock talk. I suppose it's only natural when your mouth deep in them every day.

Childish and a liar to boot.

Someone needs to explain to him that having cock breath isn't bad hygene... it's a bad habit...

Kent

If cocks were different colors..his mouth would look like a rainbow.

Probably the norm considering the peeps he runs with.

tff

Weirdo.



Freak.

Hey, Oh Cock, I didn't think you'd want to miss out on the Speedo party [bleep] and Crack84 are throwing. The three of y'all are why the call 'em [bleep]: you're a bundle of pricks packed together as tight as a pack of Lucky Strikes.

They do have sexual dependency clinics... Tiger went through one for his problems... just a heads up. Of course that means you would have to close your 1-900-man-O-man hotline... I know it's never easy.

Kent

I bet you do know. But that's not my hotline...probably one of your fellow butt-travelers, Oh Cock's or Crack84's, maybe.

You're quite the word smith.

Wissonmom is bringing it tonight.

Well I strung him on and it didn't improve, that's for sure. Vocabulary isn't his strong point. Shows just how low our secondary school system has failed our children... shame.

Kent

Oh Cock brings it to the Speedo party every night. Then later he wizzes on his mom.

Are you the panty boy for Barney's Frank?

"Shows how low our secondary school system has failed our children..."? Have you ever heard of grammar, [bleep]? It sounds like you're another one who's into children though, trying, as you claim, to "string [them] on."

No, that would be you, Oh Cock. Try to focus.

How did Barney's frank taste? did you wash it down with a warm Coors light...like last time ? You gooooo girl.

Blah, blah, blah...

Still a liar and a cocksmith.

How'd I lie, Crack84? Are there more than three of you in your Speedo party?

This proves you to be a liar. I never disrespected you or jason but somehow you felt the need.

Still more [bleep] talk? What's the matter? Didn't you get enough man butter through the glory holes today? Dealing with cock jaw on a daily basis must be difficult.

Best wait till he gets back from driver's ed and glee club practice,Mac.

He's just a dumb,frikken F.A.S kid!

More like a truck stop groupie.

Really?..wtf? You're a cop?

I wonder how the folks in your AO that pay your salary would view your lack of restraint when it comes to internet bullying.

Mac---Grow up and learn when to STFU. Restraint is the better part of valor.

"Really?..wtf? You're a cop?"

What the heck does that have to do with this dust up?

"I wonder how the folks in your AO that pay your salary would view your lack of restraint when it comes to internet bullying."

I didn't start this crap, in fact, I rarely engage those that do.

"Mac---Grow up and learn when to STFU. Restraint is the better part of valor."

So you single me out and decide to play campfire conscience? How about some self righteous indignation towrds the guy who started this mess?

You ain't required to respond.

Show some restraint with your responses and represent the men and women in "blue" with some class. Just my .02c and that won't get ya' a cup of coffee....but if you are in my neck of the woods I'd be happy to buy you one.

Stay safe.

You are absolutely 100% correct Aces. Thanks by the way. This was a rare slip on my part.

I reserve the right be an azzhole on my own time and dime? grin

Wis - you can have the last word, like bristoe says, it's just da innanet.

That's my thoughts and general observations about your posting. Afterall we are all human and subject to getting our dander up once in a while...Lord knows I have before.

Have a good evening Mac!

Just don't feed the jasonb troll, folks.


Leave him to wither in his own feces.

Nope, Crack84, your first post to me, #4152169, was confrontational. I had written nothing to or about you before that. Look it up yourself, liar. As for this,


You�re talking about yourself, Crack 84 and this time you�re not lying.





With Ballsaac the pedophile it�s always about the kids.





Oh, yes you did "start it" between us, liar. What a scream, you�re a cop, what a �surpise�: (1) you instigated a fight; (2) you lied about it; (3) you�re trying to bully someone; (4) you can�t take it when someone doesn�t do exactly what you want them to do.

I give you about a week, tops,retard!

A week? I�ve been here longer than you, Ballsaac. With that kind of attention to detail I�ll bet you�re one heck of a lawyer, blabbing away on this site while you�re billing your client's for your time...

Posts:

#4151921
#4151980
#4152169

Proves you wrong and what I said was true.

Ok now I'm a liar for responding.

The progressive nature of your mental defects are obviously just starting to take hold,son. There are ways of washing the taste of man spackle out of your mouth other than a fifth of scotch each day.

Get some help!

As before, with Ballsaac the pedophile it always comes back to kids.

#4151921: that�s one of your posts, nitwit.

#4151980: Here�s what I wrote, �Hey JasonB, don't let these hypocrites bother you one whit. They claim you�re obsessed with cops while they themselves are obsessed with you. Apparently the truth hurts, otherwise why would they object to factual posts?� It had nothing to do with you specifically�unless you are one of those hypocrites I cited. Are you? Because I was simply reminding JasonB that he hadn�t done anything wrong and didn�t deserve to be attacked, and apparently you took offense at that.

#4152169: that�s another of your posts, indeed, the one I referenced above. Similarly with Ballsaac, if you apply that same level of attention to detail when you write tickets then there are probably a few innocent people in prison due to your efforts.

But the more relevant point it that between us you started it.



No, in fact, quite the contrary: it proves that you are wrong and that what you wrote is false.



Now that one is true.

Great replacement for the recently deceased "Meth Rat",.....you.

welcome to your own LEGEND, Dimwit.

GTC

So sorry for calling you "dimwit"

Busy these days,

It's ....HALFWIT

I'll try to keep track of that,....hence.

Have you met the "Butler" ?

GTC

Yeah, sure, Crossdresserpoops, that�s real cogent. I guess it�s some type of code talk among the transvestite defecation community you�re a part of, as near I can figure. I won't even let my mind consider what the "Butler" might be code word for.

I'll bet your momma is REAL proud of you.........

And I'll bet your momma is real ASHAMED of you, Streetwalker.........

Nice spin. Too bad you're wrong.

My response to JasonB
"You are far from stupid. You knew the response you'd get."

Your response to my post above. Looks like you were calling me a hypocrite.
"Hey JasonB, don't let these hypocrites bother you one whit. They claim you�re obsessed with cops while they themselves are obsessed with you. Apparently the truth hurts, otherwise why would they object to factual posts?"

Ak�s response to the above
"Lol.........so speaks the JasonB fanclub."

Your immediate use of [bleep] talk toward Ak
"Lol.........so speaks the BJ-giving fanclub."

Ak's retort
"Did you think that up all by yourself or did your b/f JasonB help you with it?"

Your response. Notice the hypocrisy?
"Notice how the first thing you had to bring up was "b/f"?
I think we've all heard what goes on in those Ak Mtn Hntg cabins, in that state comprised mostly of men, snowed in, isolated from the rest of the world, taking turns in the barrel..."
You lying about Ak bringing up [bleep] talk when it was you who did it first.

Me pointing out the inconsistency in your response. If that offended it wasn't my intent. At this point I don't care either.
"AS opposed to you bringing up BJ giving?"


See how easy it was to prove myself right about you?

Wow, wismon is so smart, guess i'll have to be real drunk to stoop to his pink azz level.. Les

This is way over the line and insulting.

To retarded people everywhere. I've known several, and none would ever comport himself like this person.

teeehheeeee, tff smokepole.

who does this douchebag remind you of? I think somebody's back.

No Kidding,....

" Somebody's Back" dittos,.....

Text and Syntax,.....way to clear,

we have alla' the luck.

GTC

Ya think?

Blah, blah, blah�bag of donuts�blah, blah, blah�Mohammed jihad�blah, blah, blah�dirka, dirka, dirka�blah, blah, blah�

Hey, Crack84, learn to read, you illiterate moron. I didn�t say AkMtnHtr was the first to bring up [bleep] talk; that would be me, pointing out, as I did, his [bleep]. No, what I said was that the first thing he brought up was �b/f�.

Say, haven�t you twice told us you were leaving? I beginning to wonder if you can even read your own writing.





Comrade Lesbian, let�s see, (1) you�ll have to be real drunk (yeah, I�m sure that never happens); (2)�to stoop to the level of a pink azz? Well, for you I�d imagine that happens all the time, turd burglar. Wait, �lesbian� is the one involving women, right? And yet you're clearly interest in stooping before azzes. I guess that would make you Comrade [bleep], the communist butt pirate. With that scraggly beard and creepy grin, you weren�t by any chance that gay hillbilly rapist in �Deliverance�, were you?





Polesmoker, I�ll bet you do know a few retarded people: your parents, perhaps. Or maybe your mom�s brother and your dad�s sister�but I repeat myself.





[bleep].

Wow, this is a guy that needs special attention, and I will be glad to assist in that attentions.................Boy, you just made a yerself a target...............

Steve HOMO, so you�re into douchebags, and �somebody�s back�, eh? Is that what they call �watersports� down your way? Doesn�t New Orleans the city with the most amount of homosexuals and transvestites in the country, on a per capita basis?





Oh, I see, Crossdresserpoops, you�re the somebody into who�s back Steve HOMO is. I�ll bet you dolled-up lipsticked schlong-slingers are quite a pair, a-pissin� and a-poopin� and a-flailin� your douchebags back and forth...

So, Communist [bleep], is you sayings that you thinks I has a purty mouth? Yer not going to try to make me squeals like a pigs, is you? Is you so exciteds that yer standings at attentions? Clampet shut, Jethro, that'll gits ya through the long winters, I reckon.

So, "Wismon" ....

what are you ACTUALLY posting here for,.....

now that you've endeared yourself to everybody ?

and Why ?

GTC

So, "Crossdresserpoops" ....

what are you ACTUALLY whinning for,.....

since you attacked me in the first place ?

you like to dish it out but you can�t take it? you�re a bully, just not a very good one?

and now you Cry ?

WTF?

This third-grade name calling is hard to do, eh wussyman?

Now that JasonBIG is gone I predict you'll be next.

Pussy....

To get past the filters....

Puzzy...Yep...here in DFW if you want to defend your lame ass....puzzy

No crying,....a SIMPLE question,.....why are you posting here, like this ?

GTC

No, actually it was your mom, I met her once. She wasn't retarded though.

She wanted me, in a bad way. But it was that time of the month, so I had to go back door.

That was nine months before you were born, I remember it like it was yesterday.

I saved your life. I was the one who told her "don't flush, it has legs."

Nice smokepole. last time I had a problem like wismon, preparation H to care of it. Hmmm.................wismon could be the cause of Baboon Ass!

"Hey, Crack84, learn to read, you illiterate moron. I didn�t say AkMtnHtr was the first to bring up [bleep] talk; that would be me, pointing out, as I did, his [bleep]. No, what I said was that the first thing he brought up was �b/f�."

Speaking of illiterate. Two glaring examples for the fire's viewing pleasure:

1. "Your immediate use of [bleep] talk toward Ak - Lol.........so speaks the BJ-giving fanclub."

2. I only said you could have the last word. Never said I was leaving.

Really, Magnumdoody? I don�t know about the third grade aspect of it but if you�ve got more than two functioning neurons in your skull it shouldn�t be at all hard to do, BIG Turd.






ButtTaker5390, it takes a real mental midget to physically threaten someone over the internet � it�s akin to bringing a knife to gun fight. Don't hurt your Dumb Frickin' Wang trying to mount your computer.






Crossdresserpoops, why don�t you ask yourself that? You attacked me and I�m responding.






Polesmoker, I don�t doubt that you do �go back door�, as you put it. You probably don�t want to smoke pole all the time and men don�t have punanis.






Comrade [bleep], we already know that you think a lot of smoking pole; you don�t have to advertise. As for your issues with your sore �baboon ass�, well, if you�d quit letting your fellow snaggletoothed hillbillies have access to it might eventually heal.






Blarhbity, blarh, blar�glaring examples�pointing out�toward Ak�fan club�first to bring up last word�leaving�blipity, blapity, bloo�

It's 5 o'clock somewhere....

Kent

Will this thread never die?

Yep, I recognize old Wizmon now....can't hardly miss that idiotic drivel combined with the homo obsession....wonder how long it will be before Rick figures out he's back.

Enquiring minds want to know?

Did you guys chase off that lard ass Jason?

Whats his "other" handle?

[bleep], what's the significance of that? Is that when your Speedo party was scheduled?






I wouldn�t worry, Steve HOMO, I�m sure the streets of New Orleans will provide you plenty of opportunities.






Mac84, why don�t you stand down a bit? I actually don�t want to fight with you; you seem like a decent enough dude.






No other handle, Tom69; what�s your �other� handle? Bruno�s butt chaps? Steve HOMO�s douche water carrier?

Got into grandmom's medicine chest again,didn't ya',junior?

With Ballsaac it's always about the kids...

I see how it is.....you cry and whine about others calling you names and such and I asked a simple question and I get called names?

Good thing I dont care.

You don�t read so well, Tom Butt Chaps. I didn�t say people called me names; I said that they attacked me so I returned the favor. That proved to be too much for many of the would-be cowards around here who like to attack people but resent those with the temerity to respond.

But if you "don�t care", as you claimed, then why did you go to the effort to make that post?

Go back and read it again you douchebag. I said you were his fanclub....nothing homosexual related about that unless your reading comprehension skills are all out of whack, which clearly seems to be the case. Then you replied back with your childish and juvenile "b/j" remark. Your the one throwing the homosexual remarks around dumba$$.

Can't hardly wait to see what kind of retort you'll have for this one, clearly it will have some sort of homo overtones to it which seems to be your style.

Quite the second grade playground behavior exhibited here.

Hey, did some 2 bit say he was giving out free BJ's?
I'm making a road trip!

Well, I felt obliged, your momma was begging for it.

Which is apropos of nothing, however it does answer the age-old question.

Of where a person like you comes from.

I wasn't the only one though, I understand that another guy fathered a son with her by the same method. Would've been born around 1961, in Hawaii, but no one knows for sure, they can't find the birth certificate.