�hearing about �I won�t deal with low-post members�How many posts has he done? I always use this as an indicator�it�ll be OK because he has lots of posts here�has been a member for a while with several thousand posts.�

Those are the weakest and most baseless arguments I have ever heard and frankly have grown tired of it. I had heard good things about this site but and joined for that very reason. But this hovering paranoia in the classifieds leaves much to be desired. In fact, of the deals I have seen go bad on here, the majority involve members with LOTS of posts.

Heck, I am taking a loss on a pair of binoculars because a member who�s been here more than a decade and has 20,000+ posts couldn�t tell the difference between nicer binos and those on the absolute bottom of the company�s offerings. That member sold a pair of Nikon binoculars this past fall. He did not know what he had, so he googled, matched up a similar model and called them Monarchs � never mind the fact that they are Sporter 1s and significantly different in quality (they aren�t even waterproof and are so stamped).

Another member, who has been around for more than 8 years, bought them, briefly looked at them simply to assess condition and then put them away. They never came out of the box again until they changed possession.

I ended up buying these �Monarchs.� I am disabled, don�t often get to do things I plan to and let the package sit a few weeks before checking things out, so I do not hold either seller responsible. I should have checked them immediately, but I didn�t. That is entirely my fault.

The seller I bought them from did indeed offer either a full refund or monetary compensation if I kept the binos. I commend him for that. But I saw the original ad, and the mistaken description was not his fault as he also assumed he was buying Monarchs. Thus, there was no way I�d even consider taking his $$. (And I�d still deal with him at any time.)

I will also point out that the original seller is someone I consider to be a good guy and generally much more knowledgeable on the subject that this particular deal would indicate. And despite his oversight in this particular case, I would not hesitate to deal with him, either.

But my point is that the only low-post member involved in this transaction is the one that ended up on the short end of the stick.

The bottom line is that ANYONE is capable of screwing up, no matter if they have 2 posts or 20,000. Judging someone by post count alone is simply ludicrous.

Rant mode off...

I have you on ignore due to your low post count.

GFY.


Travis

Oh, and I have a perfect solution to your problem.

Don't use the classifieds.


Travis

deflave wrote: "Oh, and I have a perfect solution to your problem.
Don't use the classifieds."

I don't have a problem, Travis. But some apparently do...:)

I occasionally will look at a post count but I pay much more attention to post content.

A de facto victim with a low post count has as much justification for complaint as one with the highest post count. Why should that be hard for some to see?

The few times I have listed something in the classifieds it has amazed me at the number of first post PM's I got. Are these people creating a new logon simply for my ad? If so, what are they trying to hide? They may have legitimate reasons, but it tends to makes me suspicious.

I could give a [bleep] about post count when buying or selling.


Travis

Bobby is good people...

Look at the membership total, then estimate how many post here. Does this suggest that the primary raison d'�tre for membership is posting?

I was kidding.


Travis

I also won't deal with whiny bitches.

I know.

Post count to me is indicative of a reserve of trustworthiness built up over a period of time. Those with long history here tend to value their reputation on this site. I know I certainly do.
I also agree with Scott about the content and location of someones postings. If all their activity is in the Classifieds forum I tend to feel less at ease than I do about a person who contributes throughout the site.
All this said, I've NEVER had a deal go bad here, whether with high or low post count posters.

The only reason for checking post count is to weed out thieves, people just signing up to rip folks off. You are quite clear that you were not taken by thievery, so I do not see a correlation. That said I do not pay post count much attention, especially here.

I can assure you that I've had a lot more dealings here than the OP has and I find it curious that he mentions DEALS (plural) gone bad when I haven't had a single one go bad.

Post count is a record, should never be a reason for anything.

Buying/selling with "low post" members greatly increases the odds of having to deal with the "pain in the ass" types. I do it, but understand why some won't.

nsagam wrote: "I can assure you that I've had a lot more dealings here than the OP has and I find it curious that he mentions DEALS (plural) gone bad when I haven't had a single one go bad."

Maybe you should re-read the post. I DO NOT HAVE ANY DEALS GONE BAD HERE and never said I did. This is a post about the paranoai in the classifieds and judging people by post count alone.

You are correct BT in that you did not claim to have deals go bad. I apologize.
That said I'd like very much to see proof of your claim that the MAJORITY of the deals you've seen go bad here involve high post count members. That is certainly not my recollection.

Go back to Accuratereloading.com then. Looks like 90% of your posts here are just in the classifieds anyway.

I'm a great guy to deal with in case anybody was wondering.


Travis

nsagam-No problem! Have a good day! As to your question, I simply perused through many of the ads and those that had issues in deals. I don't recall the exact numbers, but those with higher post counts certainly were not immune to problems in completing transactions.

dogcatcher223 wrote:"Go back to Accuratereloading.com then. Looks like 90% of your posts here are just in the classifieds anyway."

If I do, I might miss out on your lovely disposition

I really look more at the size of one's balls, I won't deal with anyone who has little balls. I can tell how big they are by one's post history... Post count don't matter, its more quality vs. quantity... take my post for instance... real quality!

Bobby,

You are obviously not getting it, it is not post count alone that people are judged by. It just so happens that most posters with a high post count have been on this site for a long time, and during that time the people of this site have gotten to know them on a somewhat personal level. This gives them confidence when dealing with them, just as you would have more confidence dealing with someone you have know for years than someone you just met. People use the post count as a gauge, and proceed from there with the appropriate amount of caution.

Don't take it personal, I would rather deal with my brother than anyone on this site because I know him better. YMMV

You'd rather deal with your brother than me? I take offense to that.


Travis

heavywalker-Yes, I am getting it. I am not saying all do this, but a few are quick to point this out, just as I noted with the quotes in the opening of the thread. Those were taken directly from the classifieds.

dogcatcher223-When I joined, it was mainly to look at the classifieds. I even mentioned that I do not intend to post here much at all. I used to post a lot elsewhere. But I am now disabled with my health continuing to decline and on most days have a very hard time typing -- and can't do it at all at times.

I would have taken the guy up on his refund offer. It doesn't matter if he didn't know what he was selling. You knew what you thought you were buying. I've had a couple of good transactions here, with no problems.

My popcorn is d**m near done.

What do we have to be wondering about to be access that information?

This time try english.

Ready? GO!


Travis

WyColoCowboy-

I believe in the old-fashioned way of doing things. It would not be right for me to accept or ask for a refund. I had the binos here for nearly 3 weeks before getting to look at them. That makes it my problem -- and I am the first to admit that.

But that was just an example and NOT the reason for my posting. There was another "Deal Gone Bad" post that I just read, and the "advice" given by some is what prompted me to post.

Sorry english is my second language. I usually just point and grunt but this is the internet so pointing and grunting just makes me look stoopider than I am.

You know, I am bumping my post count here with this thread. In another year or 2 and I may be a "good guy." Ha ha

Going to have to sign off for a while as some of my health issues are now getting the best of me.

I said don't take it personal. That is like saying with all due respect, if you as either of those things whatever comes afterwards is inconsequential.

I.E. Travis, with all due respect, you're an azzhole.

Forgiven.


Travis

Yes, but I'm an ass hole that is easy to do business with. That is key.


Travis

So this is true than if that's the case.

You may want to point and grunt here too.

If I type it, it's true.


GFY,
Travis

Is this one of those "When in Rome do as the Romans do" type of situations?

Fwiw,i bought a rifle from bobby tomek on ar about 10 years ago,and would do so again in a heartbeat.

For a buyer it is a comforting to know that someone is vested in a forum. Who do you feel more comfortable dealing with a guy that lives next door that you have spoken with many times over a protracted time, or some dude passing through town selling wares out of his trunk?
I feel that I am more likely to get taken by the transient, or at least I am less likely to receive satisfaction if there is a problem. That said I am sure that there are many very honest and competent sellers with low post counts. I do not mind dealing with them, but I am more likely to do everything right when dealing with someone with a low post count. I am much more likely to call and speak with that person and make sure that the telephone number correlates to a actual physical address. Then I also check to make sure that address is listed in the name that will be receiving the funds. I say funds because I mostly buy in the classifieds and rarely sell.
I do not mind selling to people with low or non-existent post counts because I am going to receive funds first, and be careful how the package is mailed to give me a record. I am also going to take photos of the goods, and how they are packaged if it is an expensive item and always give the buyer the option of insured shipping. All of the things we should do on any purchase or sale are usually done with low post count or unknowns. Well unless I like them when we speak on the phone or as is usual we figure out we know some of the same shooters.
Maybe it is more post content that actual number but there are many forums members from this and several other forums I have dealt with where funds crossed goods in the mail and no precautions were taken, when I was selling. There are just some folks I trust. There are several posters I would drop goods in the mail for just on their word. I am somewhat trusting of good folks that if there is ever a problem that we will work it out as gentlemen. I have never been disappointed. But, I guess that it is possible, but I do not do trade in the classifieds for profit or at a high volume, so I doubt it ever gets me in too much trouble.

I did get ripped off once on sniper's hide when a guy sold me a damaged bolt body. The damage was not as described with only damaged feed rails, but it was also twisted so badly that a bolt could not even be hammered into it. His post count was less than stellar. It was a small loss, wasnt happy about it but it did not sting too much.

WTF

with two months on the board, you are 'getting tired of'........

Suggestion, take your azz somewhere else, where you will feel more comfy, eh

Mannlicher wrote: "take your azz somewhere else"

Hmmm...I didn't realize YOU were in charge here. Thanks anyway for your suggestion, boss, but I'm afraid I'm afraid I am allergic to advice laced with attitude and lacking in respect.

Knock on wood I have been lucky and only have been ripped off once. Since that time I have made 2 and 3 thousand dollor purchases with no future problem.

My steps on items over $1,000

Are they on the good guy list?

Are there other members that are friends with or live in the same area as the seller. I have had members go and look and inspect the item I am going to purchase.

Spot check a handfull of their earlier post counts to see if anything steps out that seems odd.

Post count. Sorry if this offends someone but I am going to take every step that brings my confidence level before giving a complete stranger over a $1,000.

yeah, I know Tommy from over on AR....for years!

can't find a better guy...down to earth and straight forward honest...

( well, okay, maybe, Ingwe deFlave, and of course everyone's hero Schtick... might be considered as good...)

but Tommy is a darn good man!

( By the way Tommy, how did those health problems you were having work out? Hope all turned out real well in the long run...can't appreciate good health until it isn't there one day..)

Welcome to the rougher side of life, BobbyT, as you become a better judge of character, a wiser human being and (I hope) a reliable oracle of outdoorsmanship, shooting, fishing, hunting and commercial transactions. I trust that your future trades are fair and beneficial to all, but don't bet the bank on deals that matter.

This is the internet. Lots of lookers, lurkers and a few circle jerk__s, too. And this Campfire thingy is the playground for a bunch of REALLY nice people, some that are tolerable in most circumstances, and a tiny percentage that are just %@&*# jerks. Think of it as the Bell Curve of Life.

I have been mindful to treat others as I would like to be treated, but the classifieds are the School of Hard Knocks on this site. Make sure you verify the "shared nomenclature". The difference between "cosmetic blemish" and "total reject" depends on which side of the bargain you happen to occupy. Be fair, but don't expect perfection this side of the Great Divide.

The "hit-and-run" specialists who are here today and gone tomorrow (to another forum? with a new handle?) will always be with us somewhere. The same thing happens in most restaurants, where the manager will not accept checks with numbers less than 300 or 500, or without photo ID. The hurt is still fresh.

Stick around while we get to know you, and vice versa. Share your knowledge, amuse us, have fun and see if the 'Fire is a good use of your time. Report back as needed. Your low post count may indicate that the readers here have not yet had enough of the benefits of your experience.

Cheers.

Whos Tommy?:-)

I put no value on post counts. High counts can sometimes indicate that one simply does not have a life.

Seafire,

I prefer to be placed in the "best" category. Not "good".

Thanks,
Travis

just a suggestion. Looked to me that YOU were the dude with the 'tude. Nothing you have said so far engendered any respect.

+1

I don't

If your post count was higher you would know that --

You can buy from me Snake.

I'm only out to [bleep] Mannlicher.


Travis

I don�t play on the classifieds much as a seller because it�s not worth it to even have my screen name, much less my real name, messed up over any transaction that ever has occurred on these classifieds. I have traded with people with low post counts, but I prefer to review posts to see if someone is the real deal or a whiny baby who obsesses over stuff I cannot even comprehend. When I am here as a seller, it is only because I have something that I believe could be a benefit to someone on my favorite website instead of just selling it locally. If I am here as a buyer, I don�t risk money I can�t afford to lose. Play the stock market or Vegas and try to do better.

My posts are worth more than others, cause I be special.

I like to deal with someone who has a history of being involved in the campfire in areas other than the classified. After a while I can get a feel for the character of the person that way.
I do sometimes deal with low post count sellers as well as those who only post in classified, but I would worry about a high dollar deal.
That said, I've never really been burned, but one seller, a high post count guy, kinda forgot to mention something about a rifle I bought.
He neglected to tell me that it wouldn't feed.
I liked the rifle so I paid a smith $50 to fix it.

I've had two expensive hits in internet deals on forums. Both were with guys with low post counts and new memberships. These guys were simply internet thieves.

I tend to shy away from new members with low counts now. It is my fuggin money, and I'll spend it the way I choose.

I would bet dollars to dogturds that you are a great and honest guy...but not too many dollars.

Can you post a picture, or do have people email you for pictures?

In a real sense, I feel as slighted about all of this as you are.
Let me know how I can make things 'right'.

Travis is completely untrustworthy...unless you trust him, which I do.

Travis?

Hmmmm, he who wears leisure suits, aviators whilst wearing camo crocs amd grinding a hoola-hoop to the wild sounds of the BeeGee's?

That Travis?

Yeah, guess he's alright.............

No pics. PLEASE.

Are you talking about the guy who posts on here who wears a big wallclock around his neck?

deflavorflave?

Well you are Travis... I just didn't want to embarrass the other guys since they were not quite up to the high standards a man of your caliber aspires to...

Aww I always nicknamed him Tommy... because of his last name...

so my bad if that is not a good thing...

well you know tho, I am "[bleep] clueless" according to the all knowing guru in AK....

Not for nuttin', but BT has been a regular, frequent and well-respected poster for many years on another site. I've never read/known of him to have ever been accused of anything other than being stand-up, and maybe having too much fun with his crazy calibers and hog bashing...I have no cur in this here fight, but I don't like seeing a man get battered for anything other than being the FNG.

That is all.

Read a few of the posts on the high post count. If it is the usual azz kisser trying to make points then put them on ignore. for example someone selling a rifle.and an azz kisser posts that he has one just like it and it shoots bug holes at 500 yards and Billey Bob is good to go..They are of the mind set that if one gun shoots good then all the same mdl will . what a bunch of loser dorks.

Seems that we're rapidly approaching the time when "Ouch!" will be considered an invitation to a pity party.

Well done

Were you guys talking behind my back? Right to my face? That's messed up.


Travis

I have severely miscalculated the potential for entertainment inferred by the thread title...

...carry on.

This thread may be directed at me, since I was the first to note the post count issue in a current deal-gone-bad thread.

And I still stand by it.

If you follow the classifieds enough, you'll see the trend of the new, low post count members being a bit quick on the trigger to go public in calling people out.

And just as often, it comes back to bite them in the butt later.

One thread not long ago hammered a guy, then when the situation resolved itself (not quite along the lines of what was initially posted BTW), the poster just came on and basically said "Whoops, my bad", after him and a bunch of other guys drug this member through the mud and trashed him.

It seems that a few members make a semi-occupation of hanging out in the classifieds, treating it as a personal business enterprise, and then jump somebody if they feel "wronged" somehow.

My point is man up and try to work it out BEFORE you start crying publicly. Really, it's not that hard to handle your own affairs, before jumping in to a cyber scrap with somebody, over something that is often not quite as initially represented.

And I am just as "frankly getting tired of" them being so quick to go public and try to ruin somebody's reputation, ESPECIALLY when it is over something as lame as "I didn't get what I wanted because they said they got a PM before I said I wanted it".

FWIW, I recently completed deals (in the past week or so) with two members, one having 17 posts, and one having a whopping two. So I'm not anti-low-post-count, but yes, I am a bit more on my toes.

Also FWIW, I'd deal with you Bobby if you had zero posts, in large part because of the very positive way that you handled a deal between us years ago.

Just trying to get my post count up!!

I believe post counts are irrelevant. Maybe more important is the "registerd" date, ie, how long they've been a member. Not all of us respond to every post.

Anybody that drinks troutslayer is good to go.


Travis

I think I'll go to the classifieds and screw a low post count seller out of something. I bet no one will believe him and I'll get something for free...somehow. Gotta think up a good plan...

Be right back, need more popcorn!

You know what will make me back out of a deal long before post counts or any of that other schit?

Lots of stupid questions.


How many rounds?
Do you store it in a holster?
Are you the first owner?
Can you send me a thousand more pictures at varying angles in varying degrees of light so I can beg my wife even though I know she still won't let me buy it?

No thanks buddy. Stick to eGay.


Travis

That explains your handle very well.


Travis

Amen!

I just today did a deal with a guy who had 2 whole posts and who had joined yesterday.
It was for a small amount of money but this brand new member shipped the item today and I shipped him the money today.

Low post count isn't bad in and of itself but Cold Bore is right, it seems the call out threads nearly always involve low post count members who do nothing but troll the Classifieds.

she might well have a great rack, but what is her post count?

Damn. I'm gonna need a nooner now.


Travis

Memories........wait, my bad, we're talking guns?

It does confuse people.

There it is, wrapped up nice and concise.

and that observation is consistent with reality. Many of the responses to this thread are not.

..as opposed to the circular firing squad mentality of the insanely high count posters.

Sweet! The Falcon PUnch!


Travis

somebody school me..

why does he grab it before he punches?

that was a big bore shot...hope it didnt ruin too much meat.

He's holding that rear leg so she gets the full force of the FP.

Like having somebody hold the heavy bag for you.


Travis

ColdBore-

Thanks for the kind words,and no, the thread was definitely not geared towards you! Being careful is fine and highly recommended, but my primary point was that post count has nothing to do with the integrity of a buyer or seller.

I have purchased several things on 24HR and even had listed a couple of items here a while back but deleted the thread. I post with my real name (and usually my e-mail in the thread) and list my location for any one to see -- and I generally give out my cell with a transaction. And yet one "prominent" member here (has several thousand posts) thought he needed to e-mail tell me to get lost -- not to mention call me a troll looking to rip someone off.

I am too old and in far too bad of health to deal with that type of crap -- and, frankly, I won't. That ignorance-laced e-mail from the northeast (yes, I know who sent it even though he tried to remain anonymous) coupled with some of the things I have been reading on deals gone bad and the distinct paranoia some seem to harbor with low post counts prompted my thread.

Some took offense to it and let their feelings be known. And they have a right to their opinions. But I have a right to mine as well.

I pride myself on honesty and integrity -- always have and always will. And I also treat others as I would like to be treated. But respect, it seems, is in short supply with a handful of the posters.

I've done hundreds of transactions over the years on various forums and auctions, and all of my feedback is positive. Many of those deals have turned into good friendships.

Lately, to make things easier for my family, I've even given away quite a bit of stuff (mainly on SP). And I have several more piles of things to go through and sort out when I feel up to it. I thought about listing the rest of the freebies here, but it's likely someone will think there's a catch and that I am running some sort of scam due to my low post count, and I am not up to that type of debacle.

Granted, there are tons of GREAT folks here, and I recognize many of the handles from other boards. But I have neither the time nor energy to deal with the rest.

Fake.

No full body lift.

You must have got distracted by the O lips.

I usually always do.

Don't care. Still funny watchin' a bleeder get stuck in her valve.


Travis

Bobby,

I also pride myself in honesty and integrity. Welcome to the club.



Travis

I haven't had it that bad. Yet.


Travis

Deflave?...haha

I don't have a beard.


Travis

Crap!