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You may want to point and grunt here too.  Is this one of those "When in Rome do as the Romans do" type of situations?
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
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Fwiw,i bought a rifle from bobby tomek on ar about 10 years ago,and would do so again in a heartbeat.
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Post count is a record, should never be a reason for anything. For a buyer it is a comforting to know that someone is vested in a forum. Who do you feel more comfortable dealing with a guy that lives next door that you have spoken with many times over a protracted time, or some dude passing through town selling wares out of his trunk? I feel that I am more likely to get taken by the transient, or at least I am less likely to receive satisfaction if there is a problem. That said I am sure that there are many very honest and competent sellers with low post counts. I do not mind dealing with them, but I am more likely to do everything right when dealing with someone with a low post count. I am much more likely to call and speak with that person and make sure that the telephone number correlates to a actual physical address. Then I also check to make sure that address is listed in the name that will be receiving the funds. I say funds because I mostly buy in the classifieds and rarely sell. I do not mind selling to people with low or non-existent post counts because I am going to receive funds first, and be careful how the package is mailed to give me a record. I am also going to take photos of the goods, and how they are packaged if it is an expensive item and always give the buyer the option of insured shipping. All of the things we should do on any purchase or sale are usually done with low post count or unknowns. Well unless I like them when we speak on the phone or as is usual we figure out we know some of the same shooters. Maybe it is more post content that actual number but there are many forums members from this and several other forums I have dealt with where funds crossed goods in the mail and no precautions were taken, when I was selling. There are just some folks I trust. There are several posters I would drop goods in the mail for just on their word. I am somewhat trusting of good folks that if there is ever a problem that we will work it out as gentlemen. I have never been disappointed. But, I guess that it is possible, but I do not do trade in the classifieds for profit or at a high volume, so I doubt it ever gets me in too much trouble. I did get ripped off once on sniper's hide when a guy sold me a damaged bolt body. The damage was not as described with only damaged feed rails, but it was also twisted so badly that a bolt could not even be hammered into it. His post count was less than stellar. It was a small loss, wasnt happy about it but it did not sting too much.
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Campfire Kahuna
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�hearing about �I won�t deal with low-post members�How many posts has he done? I always use this as an indicator�it�ll be OK because he has lots of posts here�has been a member for a while with several thousand posts.�
Those are the weakest and most baseless arguments I have ever heard and frankly have grown tired of it. I had heard good things about this site but and joined for that very reason. But this hovering paranoia in the classifieds leaves much to be desired. In fact, of the deals I have seen go bad on here, the majority involve members with LOTS of posts. WTF  with two months on the board, you are 'getting tired of'........ Suggestion, take your azz somewhere else, where you will feel more comfy, eh
Sam......
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Mannlicher wrote: "take your azz somewhere else" Hmmm...I didn't realize YOU were in charge here. Thanks anyway for your suggestion, boss, but I'm afraid I'm afraid I am allergic to advice laced with attitude and lacking in respect. 
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Knock on wood I have been lucky and only have been ripped off once. Since that time I have made 2 and 3 thousand dollor purchases with no future problem.
My steps on items over $1,000
Are they on the good guy list?
Are there other members that are friends with or live in the same area as the seller. I have had members go and look and inspect the item I am going to purchase.
Spot check a handfull of their earlier post counts to see if anything steps out that seems odd.
Post count. Sorry if this offends someone but I am going to take every step that brings my confidence level before giving a complete stranger over a $1,000.
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Campfire 'Bwana
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I have you on ignore due to your low post count.
GFY.
Travis Bobby is good people... yeah, I know Tommy from over on AR....for years! can't find a better guy...down to earth and straight forward honest... ( well, okay, maybe, Ingwe deFlave, and of course everyone's hero Schtick...  might be considered as good...) but Tommy is a darn good man! ( By the way Tommy, how did those health problems you were having work out? Hope all turned out real well in the long run...can't appreciate good health until it isn't there one day..)
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
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Welcome to the rougher side of life, BobbyT, as you become a better judge of character, a wiser human being and (I hope) a reliable oracle of outdoorsmanship, shooting, fishing, hunting and commercial transactions. I trust that your future trades are fair and beneficial to all, but don't bet the bank on deals that matter.
This is the internet. Lots of lookers, lurkers and a few circle jerk__s, too. And this Campfire thingy is the playground for a bunch of REALLY nice people, some that are tolerable in most circumstances, and a tiny percentage that are just %@&*# jerks. Think of it as the Bell Curve of Life.
I have been mindful to treat others as I would like to be treated, but the classifieds are the School of Hard Knocks on this site. Make sure you verify the "shared nomenclature". The difference between "cosmetic blemish" and "total reject" depends on which side of the bargain you happen to occupy. Be fair, but don't expect perfection this side of the Great Divide.
The "hit-and-run" specialists who are here today and gone tomorrow (to another forum? with a new handle?) will always be with us somewhere. The same thing happens in most restaurants, where the manager will not accept checks with numbers less than 300 or 500, or without photo ID. The hurt is still fresh.
Stick around while we get to know you, and vice versa. Share your knowledge, amuse us, have fun and see if the 'Fire is a good use of your time. Report back as needed. Your low post count may indicate that the readers here have not yet had enough of the benefits of your experience.
Cheers.
“You must endeavour to enjoy the pleasure of doing good. That is all that makes life valuable.”
Robert E. Lee, in a letter to his invalid wife.
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I put no value on post counts. High counts can sometimes indicate that one simply does not have a life.
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I have you on ignore due to your low post count.
GFY.
Travis Bobby is good people... yeah, I know Tommy from over on AR....for years! can't find a better guy...down to earth and straight forward honest... ( well, okay, maybe, Ingwe deFlave, and of course everyone's hero Schtick... might be considered as good...) but Tommy is a darn good man! ( By the way Tommy, how did those health problems you were having work out? Hope all turned out real well in the long run...can't appreciate good health until it isn't there one day..) Seafire, I prefer to be placed in the "best" category. Not "good". Thanks, Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Campfire Kahuna
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Mannlicher wrote: "take your azz somewhere else" Hmmm...I didn't realize YOU were in charge here. Thanks anyway for your suggestion, boss, but I'm afraid I'm afraid I am allergic to advice laced with attitude and lacking in respect. just a suggestion. Looked to me that YOU were the dude with the 'tude. Nothing you have said so far engendered any respect.
Sam......
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Oh, and I have a perfect solution to your problem.
Don't use the classifieds.
Travis +1 I don't If your post count was higher you would know that -- 
That which does not kill us makes us stronger
Friedrich Nietzsche
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You can buy from me Snake.
I'm only out to [bleep] Mannlicher.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I don�t play on the classifieds much as a seller because it�s not worth it to even have my screen name, much less my real name, messed up over any transaction that ever has occurred on these classifieds. I have traded with people with low post counts, but I prefer to review posts to see if someone is the real deal or a whiny baby who obsesses over stuff I cannot even comprehend. When I am here as a seller, it is only because I have something that I believe could be a benefit to someone on my favorite website instead of just selling it locally. If I am here as a buyer, I don�t risk money I can�t afford to lose. Play the stock market or Vegas and try to do better.
"Don't believe everything you see on the Internet" - Abraham Lincoln
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I have you on ignore due to your low post count.
GFY.
Travis My posts are worth more than others, cause I be special. 
"The 375HH is the greatest level of power you can get for the investment in recoil." (JJHack)
79s and losttrail, biggest waste of air.
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I like to deal with someone who has a history of being involved in the campfire in areas other than the classified. After a while I can get a feel for the character of the person that way. I do sometimes deal with low post count sellers as well as those who only post in classified, but I would worry about a high dollar deal. That said, I've never really been burned, but one seller, a high post count guy, kinda forgot to mention something about a rifle I bought. He neglected to tell me that it wouldn't feed. I liked the rifle so I paid a smith $50 to fix it.
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nsagam wrote: "I can assure you that I've had a lot more dealings here than the OP has and I find it curious that he mentions DEALS (plural) gone bad when I haven't had a single one go bad."
Maybe you should re-read the post. I DO NOT HAVE ANY DEALS GONE BAD HERE and never said I did. This is a post about the paranoai in the classifieds and judging people by post count alone.
I've had two expensive hits in internet deals on forums. Both were with guys with low post counts and new memberships. These guys were simply internet thieves. I tend to shy away from new members with low counts now. It is my fuggin money, and I'll spend it the way I choose. I would bet dollars to dogturds that you are a great and honest guy...but not too many dollars. 
Hunt with Class and Classics
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Can you post a picture, or do have people email you for pictures?
Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."
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�hearing about �I won�t deal with low-post members�How many posts has he done? I always use this as an indicator�it�ll be OK because he has lots of posts here�has been a member for a while with several thousand posts.�
Those are the weakest and most baseless arguments I have ever heard and frankly have grown tired of it. I had heard good things about this site but and joined for that very reason. But this hovering paranoia in the classifieds leaves much to be desired. In fact, of the deals I have seen go bad on here, the majority involve members with LOTS of posts.
Heck, I am taking a loss on a pair of binoculars because a member who�s been here more than a decade and has 20,000+ posts couldn�t tell the difference between nicer binos and those on the absolute bottom of the company�s offerings. That member sold a pair of Nikon binoculars this past fall. He did not know what he had, so he googled, matched up a similar model and called them Monarchs � never mind the fact that they are Sporter 1s and significantly different in quality (they aren�t even waterproof and are so stamped).
Another member, who has been around for more than 8 years, bought them, briefly looked at them simply to assess condition and then put them away. They never came out of the box again until they changed possession.
I ended up buying these �Monarchs.� I am disabled, don�t often get to do things I plan to and let the package sit a few weeks before checking things out, so I do not hold either seller responsible. I should have checked them immediately, but I didn�t. That is entirely my fault.
The seller I bought them from did indeed offer either a full refund or monetary compensation if I kept the binos. I commend him for that. But I saw the original ad, and the mistaken description was not his fault as he also assumed he was buying Monarchs. Thus, there was no way I�d even consider taking his $$. (And I�d still deal with him at any time.)
I will also point out that the original seller is someone I consider to be a good guy and generally much more knowledgeable on the subject that this particular deal would indicate. And despite his oversight in this particular case, I would not hesitate to deal with him, either.
But my point is that the only low-post member involved in this transaction is the one that ended up on the short end of the stick.
The bottom line is that ANYONE is capable of screwing up, no matter if they have 2 posts or 20,000. Judging someone by post count alone is simply ludicrous.
Rant mode off...
In a real sense, I feel as slighted about all of this as you are. Let me know how I can make things 'right'.
Have an A1 Day!
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