Higher prices, layoffs, lower hours, and more part-time workers are going to be the order of the day. Companies are not going to allow a hit on the bottom line, nor should they be expected to.

As an ancient Persian once said, "There ain't no free lunches (or health care)".



From FOX News.

Just the TIP of the major iceberg headin' straight for the USATitanic...

If he's imposing a surcharge to cover his additional expense AND cutting hours for his employee's AND laying off employee's then he's [bleep] the schit out of everybody {cutomers and employee's} and I hope he dies a long, agonozing death and rots in hell for eternity.

Gee, Blackheart, dont hold back, tell us how you really feel about it.

Yep, trying to maintain profit margin is just plain evil. May the devil take him....

Yep, it's just the start.

Chit's gonna knock the blades off the fan after Jan 1.

Gunner

Been there a few times, the wings are excellent.

I guaran-damn tee you he's got it figured so he's passing ALL the extra expense on to his customers and employee's with a good bit EXTRA left over for him. Any excuse to [bleep] people over for bigger profit is a good excuse.

Maybe he should run the restaurants at a loss and let Obama bail him out. Then the government could control the menu. Maybe they could rename them Reginald Denny's because when making omelets they would take the yolks out and beat only the whites.

Bb

Exactly right.

Never thought I'd say this but I have to agree with Blackheart on this.

Not surprised.

WWAAAAAHHHAAAAAAA, RD omelettes, TFF BB.

Gunner

Do you and Blackheart even have a passing clue as to WHY businesses are in business?

Yes.

Anybody that did not expect the common everyday worker to be the one that pays for all of this, had his head in the sand. miles

And the other one in his butt.

Gunner

Just reading some of the ignorant comments on this thread reminds me of how Rush was making this exact point today. The majority of voters are clueless of how the great American Free Enterprise System works. Most people trade hours for dollars (job) as their means of income, while only a small percentage are investors (capitalists) and business owners (entrepreneurs) who must deal with government taxes and regulations, all of which affect their ability to not only make a profit, but to actually stay in business. He went on to say this is an education failure of our public school system, as well as a Republican Party failure to educate the masses on the ins and outs of business ownership, and how only successful and profitable businesses can offer jobs to the masses.

When Reagan said that "government is the problem," there were more voters who understood that concept than there are today.

What is the old saying? . . . If you are ignorant (ie. of the basics of capitalism and free-enterprise) it is better to hide that fact from the public by keeping your mouth shut than to speak up and remove all doubt (or words to that effect)

BS.. EVERYONE knew you'd agree...

AND they've been taught, by the liberal public education system, to HATE that very idea..

A couple posters above are prime examples..

Never agreed with Blackheart before.

He's likely not happy to have my agreement with him.

That you'd agree with the particular sentiment he expressed in this thread, however, is no surprise to anyone who's had you figured out.

Oh! Come on! We all knew that both of you are union ball washers.

Congratulations???

Snork!

Don't know about Blackheart but I'm a union Ironworker.

Never washed a ball but I'm sure you can easily tell me what that tastes like.

What I hate is somebody blowing smoke up my ass. Just coincidentally, my wife is a restaurant manager with a staff of about 30 people. When she gets home later I'll ask her how much business they do per year and figure what a 5% "Obamacare surcharge" on that would add up to. I know she's told me on a busy night they'll serve upwards of 200 plated dinners and they also serve breakfast and lunch 364 days per year, so I'm pretty sure I'm right that this guy has it figured to come out a bunch richer on this whole surcharge deal. Probably has his eye on a new yacht or private resort or something but hey, if you don't mind paying for that, stuff yourself to the gills at his restaurants.

I don't have anything against you man. I've seen you post a bunch of stuff I've agreed with and a bunch I didn't. I know I've gone at you kind of hard a couple times on different issues but that's just how I am and doesn't mean I think you're all bad or anything.

I hope he labels the surcharge on the receipt clearly for what it is. People are already forgetting what a shake down this is. He's obviously not an Obama donor and didn't pay for his 'exemption'.

Many companies are planning to drop the number of employees or drop the hours employees work to avoid/deal with the charge.

This guy says he's going to do both and basically tax the people who frequent his business. To me, the guy seems to be playing an "oh poor me" tune, but is doing all he can to build in an extra 5% profit...since he's cutting hours and workers at the same time. I don't think a business should have to carry the extra burden, but I don't think they should make a profit by adding an extra tax for something they have already made changes (hours and employees) to cover.

My point exactly. Thank you !!!!

When that last shot of Cuervo starts talking after the bars close, and Denny's is the only hope between just having the oncoming headache or a serious talk with the porcelain gods, Denny's will prevail.

Yep, don't let the spelling fool ya', these days profit is a 4 letter word.

Wow, just wow!

If he is [bleep] the schitt out of his customers than he won't have as many customers, right? It is his choice.

Yeah, I know. I can't believe so many are too stupid/naieve to see this for the scam it is.

That all depends on whether his competitors are forced to do exactly the same.

Some provinces in Canada are spending 87.7% of available budget on healthcare and rising.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Suspend+Canada+Health+save+system+study/4632483/story.html

Imagine in a few years 7% of GDP spent on Health care. Maybe Obama won,t be there by then but the damage will be done.

I can't believe you have labeled this guy without seeing his books, or hearing the details of what his plans are. Do you know he won't pay the medical for some full-time employees, but cut the hours of some? It's nuts to try to judge this guy, but I think your anger stems from him not willing to buckle to the will of the majority, he won't go along with the plan as intended by democrats. I have just one question for you.. Who is John Gault?

He said he was going to cut employees/ hours to avoid the fines. Geesus can't you read ?

Ridiculous I say. Obama called this the affordable health care act and i believe the lying pos.

Did he say all employees?

The changes will force some front-of-the-house employees to look for second jobs, Metz said, but he simply cannot afford the penalties associated with ObamaCare.

How incredibly ironic of you.
�People are trying to find ways to avoid the penalties and to avoid having to pay for ObamaCare,� John Metz told FoxNews.com. �Everyone�s looking for a way to not have to provide insurance for their employees. It�s essentially a huge tax on all us business people.�[/b]
People who rant the most against business and for Obamacare have no earthly idea how either one works.
He has 1,200 employees and pays insurance benefits for 250. Unless he cuts his full time staff to less than 50, he's paying additional costs (for insurance or penalties) for all employees over 30 !

That ain't the relevant part Einstein. This is.

"Metz said he will slash MOST of the staffs time to fewer than 30 hrs. per week."

I'm not ranting for Obamacare dunce.

He'll still be paying penalties dipshitt

Nowhere near 5% of total sales dipschitt.

As long as he can still compete more power to him.

You are ranting that "the man" is taking advantage of "the little people". He's doing no such thing. He's trying to cover the incremental costs of this obamination that socialist inflicted on him as a private business owner.

Partial list of companies granted exemptions from this great program. Compare them to donors to Obama's campaign for fun and/or note the union houses.
Not listed but exempt... both houses of Congress.

24 Hour Fitness
Allied Building Inspectors IUOE Local 211 Welfare Fund
Alpha Omega Home Health, LLC
Andersen Corporation
Bowman Sheet Metal Heating & Air-conditioning
Bricklayers Insurance & Welfare Fund
Bridge, Structural, Ornamental & Reinforcing Ironworkers Local Union No. 60*
Carey Johnson Oil Co, Inc
Catholic Charities of the Diocese of Albany*
Cement Masons' Local No. 502 Welfare Fund
City of Bloomington VEBA Health Savings Plan*
City of Burnsville*
City of Olathe*
Clausen Miller PC
Crystal Run Village, Inc*
Delta Apparel
Discovery Benefits*
Dr. Trailer Repair, Inc.
Employer-Teamsters Local Nos. 175 & 505 Health and Welfare Fund
Entrust
Fabri-Quilt
GC Harvesting, Inc.
Glen Curtis, Inc. #2143
Heritage Christian Services
IBEW Local 3 NYC Electrical Division Health & Welfare Fund
Indiana Area UFCW Union Locals and Retail Food Employers' Health and Welfare Plan
Ingham County
Innovative Driver Services Company
Integrity Data*
Inter-County Hospitalization Plan, Inc.
Jakov P. Dulcich & Sons
Jefferson Rehabilitation Center
JLG Harvesting, Inc.
Johnson Machine Works
Kent County
Laborers' District Council of Virginia Health and Welfare Trust Fund
Laborers National Health and Welfare Fund
Local 1245 Health Fund
Local 237 Teamsters Suffolk Regional Off-Track Betting Corp. Health and Welfare Trust Fund
Local 295 Welfare Fund
Local 381 Group Insurance Fund
Local 805 Welfare Fund
Marble Industry Trust Fund
McGregor Schools ISD #4*
MJ Soffe
MO-Kan Teamsters and Welfare Fund
Mounds View Public Schools*
MVP
North State Bank
North States Industries Inc*
Pathways Inc.
Pavers and Road Builders District Council Welfare Fund
Phoenix Children's Academy
Roofers Local 8 Insurance & Trust Fund
San Bernardino IHSS Public Authority
SCC Healthcare Group, LLP
Schenectady ARC*
Schoharie County ARC*
Sieben Polk Law Firm
Sitel, Inc.
Southern Graphic Communication Health Fund
Springbrook Standalone HRA*
St. Lawrence NYSARC*
Sunview Vineyards of California, Inc.
Tandem Eastern Inc. / Consolidated Transport Systems, Inc.
Taylor Farms
Teamsters Union Local # 35
The Day Care Council/Council of Supervisors and Administrators Welfare Fund
The Public Authority of San Luis Obispo County
The University Financing Foundation, Inc.
The Village of Newark Non-Union Employee Plan*
Theatrical Stage Employees Local One
Tuff Shed, Inc.
U.A. Local 13 & Employers Group Insurance Plan*
UFCW & Participating Food Industry Employers Tri-State Health & Welfare Fund
UFCW Local 1500 Welfare Fund
UFCW Local One Health Care Fund
Ulster Greene ARC*
Westminster-Canterbury of Lynchburg
Wine and Liquor Salesmen of NJ
A-1 Transport
AIDS Council of Northeastern New York
Avon Central School District
Azeros Health Plans, Inc.*
Benton County*
Bessey Tools, Inc.
Canandaigua City Schools*
City of Eagan*
City of Shakopee Post-Employment Health Care Savings Account Plan *
Community Work and Independence Inc.
Continuing Developmental Services
Crystal Cabinet Works, Inc.
CU*Answers, Inc.
Euromarket Designs, Inc., d/b/a Crate and Barrel
First National Bank of Dietrerich
Franziska Racker Centers*
Fridley Public Schools Health Savings Plan*
FSA/SUNYAB-Campus Dining and Shops
Genesee County ARC*
Genesee County Economic Development Corp Health Reimbursement Account*
Grand Island Central School District*
Hammondsport Central School District
Imperial Wholesale, Inc.
Learning Disabilities Association of Western New York
Minnesota State Retirement System Post-Employment Health Care Savings Plan - City of Roseville*
Naples Central School District
Naples Central School District Support Staff
Newark Central School District
Niagara-Wheatfield CSD Self Funded
Panama Central School District
People 1st Health Strategies, Inc.
Pipe Fitters' Welfare Fund, Local 597*
Ron Clark Construction Health reimbursement Arrangement*
Sherman Central School District
Silver Creek Central School District*
Sodus Central School District
Telco Construction
Town of Albion
Town of Chenango
Town of Lockport
Twin City Die Casting*
Western Area Volunteer Emergency Services *
Westfield Academy*
Williamson Central School District
American Radio Association Plan
Carpenters Health and Security Trust of Western Washington
Communicare Health Benefits Trust
District Council 1707 Local 389 Home Care Employees Health & Welfare Fund
Health and Welfare Plan of the Laundry, Dry Cleaning Workers & Allied Industry Health Fund, Workers United
Northern Illinois and Iowa Laborers Health and Welfare Fund
Prell Services
United Food and Commercial Workers Retail Employees and Employers Health and Welfare Plan
A-1 Realty*
AABR*
ABCO Diecasters*
Alfred P. Sloan*
Alizio & Galfunt*
All American Heating and AC*
Allied Pilots Association
Amherst Central School District*
AristaCare at Meadow Springs*
Arthur Sanderson& Sons*
Associated General Contractors of ND Employees*
Autistic Service, Inc.*
Bartech Group
Basf Fuel Cell, Inc.*
Battery Park City Authority*
Battery Park City Conservancy*
Benefit Analysis Inc.*
Blaze SSI*
Blue Beacon
Board of Trustees for the Operating Engineers Local 101 Health and Welfare Fund
Business Wire*
Cargo Ventures*
Carnegie Corporation of NY*
Carpenters Local No. 491 Health & Welfare Plan
Central Laborers' Welfare Fund
Central States, Southeast and Southwest Areas Health and Welfare Fund
City of Cottage Grove*
City of Inver Grove Heights*
City Of Roseville MN*
Clinton Management*
Cloquet Area Fire Department*
Cohen Partners*
Community Bank of Bergen County*
Community Mainstreaming*
Contract Cleaners Service Employees Benefit Trust
Cornerstone Search Group*
D & D Ag Supply and Construction, Inc.*
Dial Senior Management, Inc
Douglaston Development*
Dr. Margaret Andrin, MD FACOG LLC*
Dynasil Corporation*
Echo Molding*
Eighth District Electrical Benefit Fund
Electrical Workers Health and Welfare Fund
Enterprise Concrete Products, LLC Texas
Epilepsy Foundation*
Epilepsy Foundation Northeastern New York*
Evans Chemetics*
Excellus Health Plan
Fairport Central School District*
Goodwill Industries of Central Indiana
Gregory Packaging*
Gulf Coast Health Care
Handcraft Manufacturing Corporation*
Haver Analytics Health Waiver*
Health Care Employees Dental and Medical Trust
Hiawatha Medical, Inc.*
Highfield Gardens Care Center*
Hirsch International*
Hotel, Restaurant & Bar Employees Health and Welfare Fund
Hypex Inc.*
IBEW Local Union No. 126 Health and Welfare Fund
International Union of Operating Engineers, Supplemental Benefit Fund Local 409*
Interstate Connecting Components*
Jacobson Family Investments*
J-B Wholesale Pet Supplies*
JKL International*
Jump, Scutellaro, and Co., LLP*
KC International dba Ekman Recycling*
Kerwin Communications*
Kingstown Capital Management*
Koellman Gear Corporation*
Kramer Electronics*
Lakeview Subacute Care Center*
Langan Engineering and Financial Services, Inc.*
LBDD*
League of Minnesota Cities*
Leisure Properties LLC d/b/a/ Crownline Boats*
Liberty House Nursing Home*
Lifetime Assistance, Inc*
Lincoln Hall*
Local 888 UFCW
Maharishi University of Management
Mamiya America Corporation*
Mandt Reiss & Associates PLLC
Margaret P. Muscarelle Child Dev. Center*
Merrill Farms LLC
Micelli Motors, Inc.*
Midwest Asphalt Corporation *
Midwest Teamsters
Monroe County*
Nassau County Chapter, NYSARC, Inc*
NCHC, Inc.*
New York State Assn. for Retarded Children Erie Co. Chapter dba/Heritage Centers*
NJ Society of CPAs*
North Greece Fire District*
Northern Minnesota-Wisconsin Area Retail Food Health & Welfare Fund
Ogontz Avenue Revitalization Corporation*
Parkview Care and Rehab*
PCB Machining Solutions*
PCB Piezotronics*
Philadelphia Macaroni Company*
Phoenix Partners Group, LP*
Privilege Underwriters, Inc.*
Progressive AE*
Quadrant Capital Advisors, Inc.*
Regency Management Group, LLC*
Rhoads Industries*
Roofers Local #96 Health & Welfare Fund
Rowe and Company, Inc.*
Rush-Henrietta Central School District HRA*
Security Benefit Fund of the Uniformed Firefighters Association of New York City
SEIU Health and Welfare fund, 2000
Seneca Cayuga ARC*
Service Employees 32BJ North Health Benefit Fund*
Sierra Video Systems*
SMEG*
Strategic Industries*
Superior Officers Council Health and Welfare Fund
Teamsters Local Union 966 Health Fund
Techno Source USA*
The Alternative Living Group, Inc.*
The Arc of Otsego (Otsego County Chapter NYSARC, Inc.)*
The Arc of Rensselaer County*
The City of Cloquet*
The Henry Luce Foundation*
The Maritime Aquarium of Norwalk, Inc.*
The Pew Charitable Trusts*
The Rehabilitation Center*
The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation*
Topco*
Totino Grace High School*
Urstadt Biddle Properties*
W.H. Reaves & Co., Inc.*
Walder, Hayden & Brogan, PA*
Walters-Morgan Construction, Inc.
Wellspring Advisors*
West Bergen Mental Healthcare*
Westchester ARC*
Westchester JCS*
Western Beef*
Hollow Metal Trust Fund
Theatrical Teamsters Local 817 IBT Welfare Fund
Vestal Manufacturing Enterprises, Inc.
AccessAbility, Inc.
Ackerman Oil Employee Benefit Trust
Albany County Chapter, NYSARC Inc., DBA New Visions of Albany*
American Eagle Outfitters
Basin Disposal
Bengard Ranch, Inc.
Bestway Rental, Inc
Big Lots, Inc.
Byrd Harvest, Inc.
Cardinal Hayes Home for Children HRA plan*
CDS Administrative Services, LLC
Center for Energy and Environment*
City of Brooklyn Park*
D'Arrigo Bros. Co. of California
Defender Services, Inc.
DineEquity, Inc
Green Leaf Distributors, Inc.
IBEW Local Union No. 728 Family Healthcare Plan
Joseph Gallo Farms
Life Benefit Plan
Luther Automotive Group HRA*
Metrics Inc.
Nueces County Appraisal District
Ocean Properties Ltd
P-R Farms, Inc.
SEIU Health & Welfare Fund
Sports Arena Employees' Local 137 Welfare Fund
Staywell Saipan Basic Plan
Truck Drivers and Helpers Local 355 Health and Welfare Fund
Communications Workers of America, Local 1180 Security Benefits Fund
Health and Welfare Fund of the Detectives' Endowment Association, Inc. Police Department City of New York
Man-U Service Contract Health and Welfare Fund
Paschall Truck Lines, Inc.
SEIU Local 300, Civil Service Forum Employees Welfare Fund
Electrical Welfare Trust Fund
Highmark West Virginia Inc. d/b/a Mountain State Blue Cross Blue Shield
Advocacy and Resource Center*
Amalgamated, Industrial and Toy & Novelty Workers of America, Local 223 Sick Benefit Fund
Atlanta Plumbers & Steamfitters Fringe Benefit Funds
Aurora Consulting Group, Inc.*
Brock Enterprises, Inc.
Central Texas Health and Benefit Trust Fund Locals 520, 60 & 72
Electricians Health, Welfare & Pension Plans I.B.E.W. Local Union No. 995
Essex County Chapter NYSARC, Inc. dba Mountain Lake Services*
Executive Management Services, Inc.
Florida Laborers Health Fund
Fulton County Chapter NYSARC, Inc.*
General Parts, LLC*
Greystone program, Inc*
Hacienda Harvesting, Inc.
IBEW Local No. 640 and Arizona Chapter NECA Health & Welfare Trust Fund
Lone Star Park at Grand Prairie
Louisiana Electrical Health Fund
Maverick, Inc. Employee Health Care Benefits Plan
Memphis Construction Benefit Fund
Mid-South Carpenters Regional Council Health and Welfare Fund
Mountain Lake Services
NECA-IBEW Local 480 Health and Welfare Plan
Plumbers and Pipefitters Welfare Fund of Local Union No. 719
Retiree Plan of the Central States, Southeast and Southwest Areas Health and Welfare Fund
Richmond Community Services*
Sheet Metal Workers Local No. 177 Health and Welfare, Pension and Vacation Funds
Sheet Metal Workers' National Health Fund
South Central Laborers' Health & Welfare Fund
Southeastern Pipetrades Health & Welfare Fund
Telamon Corporation Health Reimbursement Arrangement*
The ARC of Delaware County*
UFCW Local 1262 and Employers Health & Welfare Fund
United Cerebral Palsy of Ulster County, Inc*
Vincent B Zaninovich & Sons, Inc.
Wayne ARC Standalone HRA Section 105 Plan*
Wildwood Program*
Allied Welfare Fund
Becker County Post-Retirement Health Care Savings Plan*
Becker County VEBA*
FIDUCIA*
Triple-S Salud, Inc.
B. R. Company
Britz Companies, ET AL
Century Health and Wellness Benefit Plan and Trust
EBSA Foundation
Encore Enterprises
Faurecia USA Holdings
Goodwill Industries of Kentucky, Inc.
Minnesota Cement Masons Health and Welfare Fund
Plumbers Local Union No. 690 of Philadelphia and Vicinity Health Plan
Robert Heath Trucking Inc
Securitas Security Services USA, Inc.
Sunwest Fruit Company, Inc
The Louis Berger Group, Inc.
United Food & Commercial Workers Unions and Employers Midwest Health Benefits Fund
WD Young& Sons, Inc.
Atlantis Casino Resort Spa
United Food and Commercial Workers and Employers Arizona
Act Trust Mini-Med Plan
Allen's Family Food
Anderson Media Corporation
Blasters, Drillers & Miners Union Local No. 29 Welfare Fund
Care Initiatives, Inc.
Cement and Concrete Workers District Council Welfare Fund Plan
COARC*
Construction Workers Local 147 Welfare Fund
Crystal Run Healthcare
Diamondback Management Services, LTD
Freeman Metal Products
Hardwick Clothes, Inc.
Hronis, Inc.
International Union of Bricklayers & Allied Craftworkers
Isaacson Isaacson Seridan & Fountain, LLP
Katy Industries, Inc.
Landscape, Irrigation and Lawn Sprinkler Industry Health and Welfare Plan and Trust
Local 298 Health Benefit Fund Plan
Local 803 Health and Welfare Fund
Louisiana Laborers Health and Welfare Fund
M.A. Mortenson
Maple Knoll Communities
Marshall Durbin Food Corporation
Minnesota Teamsters Construction Division
Name Brand, Inc.
Oklahoma Goodwill Industries
PepsiCo, Inc
Plumbers & Pipefitters Local Union 823 Health & Welfare Fund
Plumbers & Steamfitters Local No. 6 Health and Welfare Fund
Regent Care Center
Rice Food Markets, Inc.
Rice Food Markets, Inc.
Ricker Oil Company
Skilled Health Care
Southwestern Teamsters Security Fund
Teamsters Local 445 Welfare Plan
Teamsters Local 210 Affiliated Health and Insurance Fund
Teamsters Welfare Fund of Northern New Jersey Local 1723
The Durango Herald
The Talbots, Inc
Town of Frisco Medical Plan
Tudor Ranch
UNITE HERE Local 74 Welfare and Dental Trust
United Employees Health Plans
United Food and Commercial Workers Union Local 1000 and Kroger Dallas Health and Welfare Plan
United Service Employees Union, Local 377, RWDSU, UFCW
WageWorks, Inc
IBEW Local 613 and Contributing Employers Family Health Plan (Union)
Advantage Benefits Company, LLC
Aerospace Contractors' Trust**
AJFC Community Action Plan**
Altisource Portfolio Solutions
American Heritage Life Insurance Company
Americare Properties, Inc.
AMN Healthcare
Andrews Transport L.P.**
Anoka Hennepin Credit Union* **
APWU Health Plan Conversion Plan
Aspen Snowmass**
ATCO Rubber Products, Inc
Baylor County Hospital District
Belk Farms**
Bricklayers Local 1 of MD, VA and DC
Cardon & Associates, Inc**
Catholic Charities of the Diocese of Ogdensburg
Central Mills**
Civil Service Bar Association Security Benefit Fund**
Cotton Belt Inc.**
CPC Logistics Health & Welfare Plan**
Delmarva United Food and Commercial Workers**
Dole Food Company**
EchoStar**
First Acceptance Corporation
Fontanese Folts Aubrecht Ernst Architects, PC**
Forest Products Inc. Group Health Plan**
Fruhauf Uniform Direct Labor
Golden State Bulb Growers, Inc.**
Greater Kansas City Laborers Welfare Fund**
Grower's Transport LLC
Heartland Automotive**
Helfman Enterprises, Inc.**
Hoosier Stamping and Manufacturing Corp.
Horizon Bay Realty LLC**
I.B.E.W. Local 1249 Insurance Fund**
Ingomar Packing Company, LLC
Integra Healthcare, Inc. (Integrity Home Care)**
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers**
International Brotherhood of Trade Unions Health and Welfare Fund - Local 713
International Union of Operating Engineers Local 295-295C Welfare Trust Fund**
International union of Operating Engineers, Local Union Number 137**
Iron Workers Local Union #28 Health and Welfare Fund**
Lamanuzzi & Pantaleo**
Living Resources**
Local 1102 Amalgamated Welfare Fund
Local 1102 Health & Benefit Fund
Local 1102 Welfare Fund-- Lerner Employees
Local 272 Welfare Fund**
Local 338 Affiliated Benefit Funds
Madelia Community Hospital**
Max Homes, Loc**
Medical Development Corporation**
Mesa Air Group**
Mesa Packing**
Michigan Conference of Teamsters Welfare Fund**
Minnesota and North Dakota Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers**
Mission Linen Supply
NFI Industries
Operating Engineers Local 835 Health and Welfare Fund
Opportunity Resources, Inc. Health and Welfare Plan
Orange County AHRC* **
Orscheln Industries
Pacific Risk Management**
Pearson Candy Company
Pinnacle PRM**
Plumbers and Pipefitters Local 430 Health and Welfare Fund**
Progressive Logistics Services**
Pure Air Filter Sales & Service**
Rancho Maria PRM**
Reiter Affiliated Companies**
Retail, Wholesale & Dept. Store Union Local 1034 Welfare Fund
Rio Farms PRM**
Sensient Technologies Corp.
Service Employees International Union Local 1 Cleveland Welfare Fund
SFN Group
Sheet Metal Workers Funds of Local Union 38**
SMWIA 28**
Southeast OBGYN, PC* **
Southern CA Pipe Trades Trust Fund
Southern Operators Health Fund**
Stonebridge Hospitality Associates**
Sun Healthcare Group, Inc.
Teamsters Local 522 Welfare Fund Roofers Division
Teamsters Local Union 72 Welfare Fund**
Telesis Management Corporation
Texas Carpenters and Millwrights Health and Welfare Fund
The Mentor Network
The Wada Farms, Inc.
The Wilks Group, Inc. dba Ashley Furniture Homestore
The Wright Travel Agency**
Town of Grand Island* **
Trans-System, Inc.
True Leaf Farms**
UFCW Local 371 Amalgamated Welfare Fund**
United Crafts Benefits Fund**
United Food & Commercial Workers Unions and Employers Local No. 348 Health & Welfare Fund**
United Food and Commercial Workers Local 1445 New Hampshire
United Food and Commercial Workers Local 1459 and Contributing Employers Health and Welfare Fund**
United Food and Commercial Workers Local 464a**
United Food and Commercial Workers Local 911**
Varsity Contractors, Inc.
Waffle House
Weckworth Manufacturing**
Western Express, Inc.
Western Harvesting PRM Health Plan**
WG Yates and Sons Construction Company**
World Class Automotive**
Yukon-Kuskokwim Health Corporation**
Alaska Pipe Trade U.A. Local 367 Health and Security Trust**
Amalgamated National Health Fund
American Farms, PRM Health Plan**
American Growers Cooling, PRM Health Plan**
AUTO, LP, dba AutoInc. Health Benefit Plan**
Better Way Partners, LLC**
Big Valley Labor, PRM Health Plan**
CB Harvesting, PRM Health Plan**
City of Rockwall**
Cocopah Nurseries, Inc.
Express Harvesting, PRM Health Plan**
Fallen Oak Packing, PRM Health Plan**
FirstCarolinaCare Insurance Company on behalf of Longworth Industries
Foot Locker, Inc.**
Fresh Express
G&H Farms, PRM Health Plan**
Gill Ranch, PRM Health Plan**
Gill Transport, PRM Health Plan**
Gills Onions, PRM Health Plan**
Green Valley Farm Supply, PRM Health Plan**
Greencroft Communities
Growers Express, PRM Health Plan**
Hall Management Group, Inc.**
IH Services**
Independent Group Home Living Program, Inc.
King City Nursery, PRM Health Plan**
Meijer Health Benefits Plan/Primary Care Option
Mission Ranches, PRM Health Plan**
Moore's Retread & Tire of the Ark-La-Tex, Inc.
NOITU Insurance Trust Fund**
Payroll Solutions
Plumbers and Pipefitters Local No. 630 Welfare Fund
Seco Packing
Transcorr
United Food and Commercial Workers Union Local 1000
United Wire, Metal & Machine Health & Welfare Fund**
Western Growers Assurance Trust
Wisconsin United Food & Commercial Workers Unions and Employers Health Plan**
1199SEIU Greater New York Benefit Fund
A. Duda & Sons, Inc.
Adecco Group, Inc.
Biomedic Corporation
Buffets, Inc.
Carington Health System
Cleveland Bakers Teamsters
Club Chef LLC
Columbia Sussex Mgmt, LLC
CRST International Inc.
Darr Equipment, Co.
DC Cement Masons Welfare Fund
Deaconess Long Term Care
Diamond Comic Distributors, Inc.
ECOM Atlantic, Inc.
FW Walton, Inc.
G4S Secure Solutions
GC Services, L.P. & First Community Bancshares, Inc.
Guardsmark, LLC
Indiana Teamsters Health Benefits Fund
Knox County Association for Retarded Citizens
Laundry and Dry Cleaning Workers Local No. 52
Mars Super Markets, Inc.
MPS Group, Inc.
Nexion Health
Noodles & Company
Pharmaca Integrative Pharmacy
Quality Integrated Services, Inc.
RE Rabalais Constructors, LTD
RREMC LLC
Security Forces Inc.
Shirkey Nursing
Social Service Employees Union Local 371
Spindle, Cooling, & Warehouse
Strauss Discount Auto
Sunburst Hospitality
Susser Holding Corp
Telescope Casual Furniture
Teletech Holdings, Inc.
The Brinkman Corporation
The LDF Companies
United Food and Commercial Workers Union (Mount Laurel, NJ)
United Food and Commercial Workers Union Local 1459
Universal Orlando
Valley Services, Inc.
United Food and Commercial Workers and Participating Employers Interstate Health and Welfare Fund
Protocol Marketing Group
Sasnak
Star Tek
Adventist Care Centers
B.E.S.T of NY
Boskovich Farms, Inc
Caf� Enterprises, Inc.
Capital District Physicians
FleetPride, Inc.
Gallegos Corp
Hensley Industries, Inc.
Jeffords Steel and Engineering
Laborers' International Union of North America Local Union No. 616 Health and Welfare Plan
O.K. Industries
Service Employees Benefit Fund
Sun Pacific Farming Coop
SunWorld International, LLC
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It's amazing what you know about this man's operating revenues and profit margins.
Here's a tidbit for you, operating profits at restaurants nationwide are less than 5%, in many cases, significantly less.

The relevant part is that you have this guy making a profit on Obamacare laws, when in reality you have no idea whether he is or not, you just want to believe he is...that is what's relevant.

Total sales? Total profit. How much profit do you think they make in a year on 40 restaurants? How much will the penalty be?

Denny's made $538 million for 1600+ locations. You can do the math for 40 locations. The penalties will likely be in the $500,000-$1million dollar range.


Get your wife cracking on those numbers.

same as any lawsuit...you think McDonalds paid for that hot cup of coffee that lady spilled and sued over? They just passed it onto the consumer. stupid jurors don't get it when they think they are stickin it to big business!

Businesses are in business to make a profit!

Yes... Local guy down the street's been tellin' me about all the costs of running his bar/grill.. The TAXES are unreal - even taxed on the tables/chairs because "you make money off them items, therefore you will be taxed.."

He has to be under 24 employees to escape Zero-care (not 50 in this case) so he's forming a new, separate LLC for just the pizza business - allowed legally because it is not part of the kitchen's normal operations.. His lawyer looked into it and sez he can do it..

Otherwise he'd have to lay off a bunch and cut hours to survive..

Business cannot run at a loss and stay open. Half of America voted for this now let them pay for it. Just wait till the dogs find out taxes will go up for everyone and no more returns if you are low income. Now it will not be a free ride for anyone. Sure the rich will be taxed but so will everyone else. As far as making citizens out of illegals, it will only happen if they will work and pay taxes. Otherwise they will get the boot. Thanks a lot 51% of America. How about the American dream now. I will lay odds in a few years no one will went to come to America.

Yet another Campfire member succumbs to the BOWSINGER disease.

Yet another woe is me drone with no clue about the issue at hand yet compelled to snark.

Obama Care is one time where we will all do push-ups. No free rides there. Oh almost for got Congress will get a free ride since America pays for them.

,...that must be it.

They made 538 million PROFIT you dumb [bleep]. The 5% surcharge is on TOTAL SALES. He claims his cost in fines AS THINGS STAND would total 70,000.oo per restaurant. That's AS THINGS STAND. After he cuts "most of the staff's time to fewer than 30 hours per week" to avoid the fines, It'll be alot less.

,...don't piss off Denny.

except he will also have to hire more people to make up for his staff being cut to part time....smae number of hours need to be worked, just less hours per person and it costs me alot more than your salary to employ you....

You're just eat up with it aren't you? This guy is not "Denny's". He's ONE franchisee that only operates 40 restaurants.
538m divided by 1600 (and there are more than that many restaurants) is only $33k per store. He'd have to cut his full time staff by over 95% to avoid any penalites or costs. But maybe that's what he meant by 'most'? Good grief, reading comprehension really is a thing of the past.

I'm starting to think 'common sense' is not relevant in such discussions.

Boy your math skills suck schit. And yet you feel justified in berating my reading comprehension skills ?

actually i own and run a business.....X number of hours are needed for my business to run every week....X gets divided by the employees me being one of themwhich is why past a certain point every position i cut means more hours worked by me cause someone has to do it in order for the business to run.....running a restaurant is no different, you can only cut so many positions and if you cut most your current full time staff down to part time to sneak under the exemption than you actually have to hire MORE people to get the job done and it costs an employer more than what they are out in your paycheck to employ you...

Yes, I do.
Do you understand profit margins? If the average store makes $330k should he just 'eat' (no pun intended) the $70k in aditional costs? Well?

I understand alot more than you think. Try applying your 5% profit margin to 330K and tell me what a 5% surcharge on total sales would amount to per store. Then get back to me on this poor bastard being able to cover his additional 70,000.00 per year Obamacare expenses.

The owner could always raise prices by 5% and not publicize it.

except i dont think he can.....franchises like Denny's rarely get to set their own prices, they have to go with the prices corporate sets.....a surcharge would prolly be the only way for him to raise prices at his franchises...

As is he's looking to boost profits by a schitload while simultaneously bending over his customers {and employee's} and expecting them to feel sorry for him as just an innocent victim of Obamacare's huge burden. I sure as hell won't ever be darkening the door of any of his restaurants.

I sure as hell won't ever be darkening the door of any of his restaurants.
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Maybe that's why he's doing it.

Do you play the dickhead role to cover your ignorance or are you simply a ignorant dickhead?

I've wondered the same about you many times dickhead.

It's his business. His responsibility is too himself and his business. By making a public statement about what he is doing he is using his business to make political statement, which as long as it doesn't violate the franchise agreement is his business.

His employees and customers are free to make there own statements with their feet and pocketbooks.

If his motivation is just to make more money--good for him. He is the one who ponyed up the cash and time to build a business.

No, like many of the juvenile delinquents here he's stomping his feet and throwing a little temper tantrum because his dufus GOP candidate didn't get elected and Obamacare overturned. Now he's determined to take advantage of and punish his cutomers and employee's because he didn't get his way. For that he deserves nothing but contempt.

Yes, but you are the one stomping his feet throwing the temper tantrum because he won't go along with the program. Did you really expect that business would just swallow this with out passing it down to the consumer, because it sounds like you sure did. I mean you are either OK with him eating the loss, or passing the costs on to his customers so long as he doesn't make a profit from it. To either of those I say FU, I don't want to pay.

whatever, its his business he can do as he likes.

Man you've gotta be one of the densest here and that takes some doing. I can't blame a guy covering his costs and would expect that from anyone. What I do mind is smarmy kocksuckers who'll take advantage of a situation to screw both customers and employee's out of money.

Blackheart your hatred of free enterprise is not surprising...everyone that voted for Obama does just that, vote for a living!

I didn't vote for obama and in fact have never voted for a Democrat in my life you stupid [bleep].

You are the dense one, you just said it again, you aren't angry with him passing the cost along to the consumer, so long as he doesn't make a profit, I'm pissed either way that he has to. Again, you haven't a clue to what he is doing becasue you don't know the numbers, you have got your panties in a bunch over what you suspect he might be doing.

The decisions he makes are his, whether or not they meet with your approval, but you have already attributed motives to his actions, and you just don't know.

Five percent is alot, especially when he plans on cutting "most" of his employee's to less than 30 hrs. per week to avoid the fines. If you don't like the idea of covering his extra costs, I really fail to see why you'd be fine with tacking on some extra profit for him besides.

Fine...if he were. Just wait for a carbon taxes next.

You're just not getting it: Blackheart the Magnificent sees all, knows all. He'd divined the fact that this owner is not expecting to see direct and indirect costs due to Obamacare to the tune of $$30-70K or so per restaurant, even with personnel changes. Because this black hearted (pun intended) scoundrel, is making changes to personnel and implementing the surcharge, he is destined to spend an eternity freezing next to Satan's nuts.

Blackheart has spoken, thus shall it be.

Not to mention we should all be thankful that somebody in business is willing to put into terms what every Obama voter needs to learn.

How did you figure out 70K idiot?

It was in the article idiot. Damn, not only are you uglier than a hatfull of asswholes, you're dumber than dogschit !

You don't AVOID them, you lesson them.

Every 120 hours of part time employee hours count as one employee.

You're the only one that enjoyed Sandusky Summer Football camp.

The way I see it...which most certainly could be wrong.....

538,000,000 divided by 1600 (should be more) = ~$336,250 profit per store

At 5% profit margin, that means the total income for per store would be ~$6,725,000

Calculating the new 5% surcharge would be ~$336,250 extra per store.

If the estimated cost per store for the healthcare is going to be ~$70,000 he's making an extra profit of ~$266,250 more per store than he was before.

The extra profit of ~$266,250 by the 40 stores he operates = ~$10,650,000 more per year he is making AFTER the extimated extra costs are removed!

I only looked at this quickly and don't know that I have all the right numbers, but from the numbers listed (which could be wrong) in the thread it looks like the guy is crying about how hard he has it while he fleeces everyone (customers, workers, goverment) on the deal.

He ain't charging the extra just for Obama voters. He's charging it to 100% of his customers when only 30% of them were in favor of Obamacare in the first place.

Yep, you came up with the same figures I did.

I think you meant to say "lessen" when you should have said "reduce". Right retard ?

I guess you will need to bring in your voter card with you when you go there to eat.

If you voted for o then you get the increase,if not you are golden.

How many hours did those employee's start with?

Were these minimum wage jobs or something higher?

How much money does that equate to?

Does it cover the expense of the fines completely, or was more needed to do that?

I can't see his books, so I have no idea.

$538M is a red herring. From Denny's third quarter report, 2012:

http://ir.dennys.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=113027&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1751812&highlight=



So in other words, all speculation based on the $538M figure is unadulterated horse crap. I have no idea where it came from, but it obviously is not Denny's annual corporate profit, and obviously has nothing to do with an individual franchisee's profits. My cite proves this, but by all means please attempt to refute.

What exactly will the incremental costs be due to the Obama healthcare regulations, over the next couple of years? Until that is known, for this owner's restaurants, all of this "he's ripping off everybody" ranting is nonsense.


Scott

Wow, a rare crybaby Obama supporter who posts here on the campfire, posts like yours belong on liberal sites like the Huffington post.

The FREE MARKET will decide.....

I was simply going with the numbers quoted in the thread and have no push one way or the other....right/wrong I'm said up front I didn't know.

After thinking about this a bit, I think if a company I owned was going to be hit with an extra government charge for this, I would add the surcharge to each purchase. I would do all I could to avoid reducing hours or letting people go. Simply pass the charge on to the customer...but do it so that the end result was as close as possible to what the actual government fine/cost was going to be.....in no way use it to profit.

One huge pro of this would result if every company did it and MADE SURE THE BUYER KNEW EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT WAS COSTING THEM with the surcharge listed on the reciept.

In the end, all Obamacare is going to be is a tax. The Supreme Court defined part of it as exactly that...this is just another way of them taxing companies. A company might as well implement it as a tax right from the start.

Wow, another of the typical campfire GOP faithful who can't read. What a surprise.

Apparently If you don't think a business owner should profit from Obamacare you're a liberal Obama supporter.

$538m is the annual REVENUE from the 2011 annual report for Denny's CORPORATE. To your point it couldn't be more apples and oranges when attempting to GUESS at what an individual franchisee makes or any group of restaurants. Just as well use Ford motor company's revenue. Some here apparently just choose to believe that the franchise owner is lyiing about his costs and is out to stick it to them personally. What are you going to do? Lots of people have persecution complexes.
(As a side note, Denny's corporate did manage a whopping 5.3% in income BEFORE income taxes. The horror of it all. I guess a few of the free market haters here got some bad chicken or something there once.)

You have the [bleep] right to [bleep] vote with your [bleep] feet, you [bleep] commie-lib.

5% isn't going to cover it.


Franchise owners meet and discuss Obamacare

Ya I got that, but I don't need to be shown the way, those who voted for Obama do. People who voted against Obama knew this was coming. I would rather see some drastic example set then to just raising prices and saying nothing, either way, me and you are paying more. At least this way they can't blame G Bush.

And I would you dishonest, unethical, stupid bastard. If you want to pay EXTRA over the restaurant's COST for Obamacare, I'm sure most would be willing to accept your charitable donations.

I find it incredible a franchisee of any size at all wouldn't have done that simple math but just read this thread, talk about head in the sand. And those attacking the franchisee in the OP won't read the very brief article (or understand it apparently).
What is funny though is what the guy is illustrating is EXACTLY what all the opponents said from day one but the left just kept talking about how 'magic' it was going to be. And people think they are stupid. They are not stupid. They are evil.

Don't know, I could answer to either.


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interesting bit from that article.....1.5% of total sale equals half of his profit.....someone smack me upside the head if i ever talk about buying a franchise.....i would hate to have 3% of total sales being my entire profit margin...

As I said earlier well less than 5% is not uncommon. The restaurant business is one of the least profitable businesses there is.

You must live on charitable donations. You're too [bleep] stupid to make it otherwise. I laugh at your gratuitous assumption that the owner is going to gouge extra. It makes no sense; you make no sense.

I guess you missed steelheads spelling "LESSON" not "LESSEN".

Our business is in the heavy industrial construction arena, we only make ANY profit on about 1 in 4 jobs. But you have to do the other 3 to keep the doors open AND to get the 4th one you make a killing on. Every so often someone gets into the business that tries to make a profit on every job. They don't last long.

In an entire year I might make 75% of our entire profit off of one job that takes 2 weeks give or take.

I don't know about the retail of restaurant business.

when you should have said "reduce". Right retard



No I caught that, but you were wrong when you indicated "lessen to be of improper use.

Boy I hope you don't decide to do that....Montana is a damn long drive for me.

I know human nature. The VAST majority are unethical scum like you.

Reduce sounds better to me.

Sounds retarded to me.

I'm happy for you.

LOL....

Blackheart, Wasting time on simpletons that don't understand how overcharging customers while reducing employee hours to escape paying for what he's "surcharging" for is an excercise in futility.

Many of us understand and agree with you.

Thanks, I'm beginning to see that.

I guess Obama was right about Romney.

Truly unbelievable. People get in a hole and when it's clear they are wrong, what do they do? Keep digging apparently.

That article Nathan linked couldn't have explained it better and there is absolutely NOTHING in the OP that implies the owner is doing anything other than attempting to cover his incremental costs. Well nothing but completely unfounded paranoia or envy. For crying out loud. Another reason to not be stunned how people voted for Obama. 2 minutes of education is apparently too much for some.

Many of us were right about Romney. You're a little late to the party sunshine.

I 'spose a MA. liberal that never stood for a gawdamed thing he didn't flipflop on at least half a dozen times sounded good to you?

Congrats?

I hope his loss lessens the guilt you are bound to feel.

Some of us can think for ourselves, can work out math above the 2nd grade level and don't need a link to tell us what to believe.

PS.....Geau----You do know that everything that's read to you from the interwebz isn't true, don't you?

No truer words spoken by a union drone! Pay attention to this moron folks, we are going to see more of these crawl out of the sewer.

Was there another candidate to choose from that I missed?

I don't see anything in that article that changes my mind. The business owner they interviewed said it would cost an amount equal to ONE AND A HALF percent of his total sales to cover all of his employee's with insurance. That's a far cry from the FIVE PERCENT of total sales the Denny's CEO plans to charge his customers to cover his expenses. FURTHERMORE, the CEO interviewed in Nathan L's link says he can pay the fines for not insuring his employee's for just a little more than his current cost of only insuring a small portion of his full time employee's. AcesnEights was certainly right about wasting my time on simpletons.

The dirty little secret with the fine is that it starts low, $95 and progresses very quickly upward.
I suggest people read this..... OBamacares 18 new taxes.

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/08/20/obamacares-18-new-tax-hikes

Right...they're not nice reasonable well-spoken folks like you.

It appears you've had a terrible upbringing, surrounded by mean-spirited role models, who turned you into one of them. It's too bad, too. You're reasonably intelligent.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

That's for the market to decide. If his new business model is inefficient, he will fail and need to alter it. Otherwise, not. Has nothing to do with anyone trying to cheat the public or employees.

Ace,
Corporate finance is my job. I read financial statements pretty much everyday. I read their annual report and have a basic understanding of the industry. If you choose to not believe the article from the franchisee conference for whatever reason that's fine, I guess. I also understand that the corporate revenue and proft numbers have exactly NOTHING to do, at all, in any way, with what a franchisee makes from his restaurants. It's not even the same revenue source. So, then what exactly are you basing your 'feelings' on that the franchisee in the OP is somehow 'profiting' by raising his profit?

Exactly...

Also, this business owner didn't gain his level of success by being stupid. Who here have been as successful as this man?

Blackhearts main premise was that this guy was cheating people and blaming it on Obamacare.

It was NOT about whether he had a good business model, what the market would allow or any other mental masturbation excerise.

When was Denny's CEO ever mentioned, anywhere? What in the world are you talking about? The article Nathan posted had a quote by a TacoBell/KFC franchisee. Did it ever occur to you his margins might not equal a Denny franchisee in another state? Unreal. The point was to help you understand how Obamacare costs work which apparently you don't. You keep mentioning reducing the full time employees will somehow magically reduce the number of hours he'll still have to pay which makes absolutely no sense at all. It still takes x hours to run the business. He'll use more part time people where he won't have to pay benefits vs fewer full time employees. PLEASE tell me I'm not attempting to discuss business economics with a union member...
I won't call you a simpleton. Your are just uninformed (or at this stage of the thread, willfully ignorant). Keep hating "the man" based on your 'feelings'. It's as good as anything I guess.
Obamacare will hardly have any additional costs to anyone. It's 'magic'.

Which is based on absolutely nothing.

WRONG AGAIN. It's based upon a surcharge of 5% to cover obamacare. Then it goes on to say he's reducing employee hours so he WON'T BE SUBJECT TO OBAMACARE rules. Why charge a surcharge for obamacare if you're avoiding it altogether?

I'm a successful business owner and I understand both sides. BUT I HATE LYING CHEATING SOBS!!!!!

Uhh, the Denny's CEO was interviewed in the OP. I suggest you go back and read that as well as the article linked by Nathan L. I can't believe your job is corporate finance. My god it's no wonder this country is in trouble. Lord have mercy, "Unreal" is right.

You apparently don't run a business with 50 fulltime employees because you don't understand it all. He's reducing the NUMBER of employees he'll be subject to fines for, not eliminating the COST of Obamacare for the remaining full time employees he has. Right now, he doesn't pay for all of his full times employees. Under Obamacare he'll have to (as will every other employer with 50 FT employees). For crying out loud....

From the article linked: http://washingtonexaminer.com/franc...lve-profits/article/2507920#.UKWU8IZ1u8B




So from the research those folks did, if they added a 1.5% surcharge they could stay in the clear and turn the same profit they did previously (if I understand correctly).

The restaurateur originally mentioned in this post stated his surcharge was going to be 5%...and he was going to cut hours for folks....and let folks go. It's his business, he can run it like he wants, but it does appear (if the numbers for profit/sales/employees/etc are close) that he's using the Obamacare as an excuse to turn a profit for himself, not on the product, but on the "idea" of Obamacare costs. I'm all for turning a profit and I'll all against the hungry-hungry-hippObomacare....but I think he may be trying to pad his pockets in an underhanded manner.

Uhh..... the CEO said NOTHING about raising his prices 5%?!? It's a franchisee in Florida. Or do you hate the CEO now too? It's getting hard to keep up with all the people you are mad at.

Yes, I guess if you want to assume a Denny's franchisee who said he's going to attempt to cover his increased cost with a 5% increase in prices is lyiing AND he just happens to make the same income after taxes percentage as a TacoBell/KFC franchisee in a different state, then yes.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

I understand just fine that he'll pay a penalty for not providing HC for the fulltime employees he has, I also understand he won't be paying for ANY of their HC. I also understand that his surcharge far exceeds the penalty in %'s.

Your batting average makes Alex Rodriquez look like a high 3 digit hitter.

Keep swinging...btw I HATE lying, cheating SOBs......

I don't know. I tried to cover it with: "(if the numbers for profit/sales/employees/etc are close)" It's all a guesstimate based on the numbers presented.

No, again you clearly don't understand. He will have to pay for HC for ALL of his remainging full time employees where right now he pays for a small percentage. He has to provide 100% coverage for ALL full time employees. He's trying to reduce that overall number he'll be subject to in the future. At the end of day he'll still have MORE employees he'll be paying HC coverage for. And he won't in any mix of FT or PT employees pay for less overall salary dollars. Get it?!?!
No apparently not.
You and blackheart just need to drive on down to Florida and NOT eat at his resturants. That'll show him. Stick it to the man! Power to the people!

Agreed, and if you assume he's lyiing. The number of employees per sales dollar swings the equation equally.

Have a good night Geaux. I'm done and need to read with my children before bed.

Hope you have a great day tomorrow. (I also hope you're not as wrong when you wake up) lol.

Kidding.

[quote=GeauxLSU

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Agreed, and if you assume he's lyiing. The number of employees per sales dollar swings the equation equally. [/quote]

As I said, "I think he may be trying to pad his pockets in an underhanded manner". Hopefully I am wrong.

Your figures are still wrong and mine are still right but I too am tired of wasting my time with this teaching a pig to sing scenario. Have a good night and kiss your boss/clients tomorrow for keeping you employed.

Seems to me if his intent was to be a profiteer off of Obamacare, most likely he wouldn't advertise his intentions...but maybe that's just me.

I think you're just missing the point Barkoff. The man signs the paychecks on the front, therefore he is a lyiing evil piece of dung. It's all very simple.

Awww... name calling? People are going to start to think you've painted yourself in a corner. Tell you what, let's try a word problem so you can teach the rest of the class. Note: This is magic Obamaland where increase in prices have no adverse affect on sales and you don't pay any taxes on your extra profit and the cost of insurance doesn't go up (in other words, feel free to ignore current reality in your answers.)

Problem 1: The lyiing evil business owner claims his cost will go up $3,150,000 ($70k x 45 stores). To break even he'd have to have $63,000,000 in revenue ($3.15m/.05). Since we all know he's a lyiing sack of dung and you have double top secret access to his books how much revenue does he REALLY have? Show your work.

Problem 2: The evil business owner currently pays $1,500,000 (250 x 6,000) in HC cost for 250 of his employees that he obviously hates. Under Obamacare he'll have to provide HC for all 1,200 of the thankless FT employees or an increase in costs of $5,700,000! What should he do?
We'll make it multiple to choice so the rest of the class can follow.
A) Eat the $5.7m
B) Change the status on 950 of his FT employees to PT so he doesn't have any change in cost.
C) Raise his prices to try and generate another $5.7m. (which again will have no impact on sales in magic Obamaland)
D) A combo, change the status on many (but not all) of his FT employees and implement a small price increase to help cover his increased costs.
E) Math doesn't matter he's a lyiing sack of dung and I just 'know' he's trying to make more money.
Please show your work.

Aces, feel free to jump in there as a successful business owner and help your buddy out with his answers since you both have come to same conclusion.