Last night I walked into the kitchen, flipped on the light and there was this spider. Big, black and ugly. On the floor between me and the dining room. For a moment I just stared at it.
"Holy cow, that's a big spider" one of the voices said. The voice that tells me bad things.
"Kill it"! said the voice that tells me what to do with bad things.
"Bug spray is under the kitchen cabinet, fly swatter is in the pantry, shotgun is in the bedroom, recommend stomp", said the voice I call General Staff.
"But you are barefoot and it will bite you and you will be the first person to be killed by the Black Manticore Spider" said the voice that runs around the back doors of my mind.
So I grabbed a box of Reynold Wrap�, trusted since 1947, and smashed it with quite a bit more force than necessary.
All the voices agreed, "yuck".

Hate them bastids. I killed a blackwidow last week, she just looked deadly.

Tin foil was replaced by aluminum foil after WWII, though the diminished density factor may equate to an inferior result, modern foil saved the day!
Good post

Then said the Spider Master:

"Curses! Foiled again."

I strongly dislike spiders, so i applaud your action. However, I am curious...just how many voices do you hear in a given day? Might be you have a slight problem!

I feel the same about spiders and kill them all, they creep me out, make my hair stand up and occasionally scream like a girl.

Last week a damn spider dropped from the visor down to my bare leg while I was driving down the road. Instinctively I swatted with my left hand and hung two tires off the road. I looked at my hand and saw spider guts and shook my hand to get it off and damn near went into oncoming traffic.

I know, I am a puss.

Saw one the size of a toddler's hand crawling around on my ceiling last week in my bedroom. Freaked me out. Went for the fly swat, but he was positioned just above a tall piece of furniture, so it was hard to get at him. Swatted at him, but he dodged it and dashed into the central air/heat vent. Haven't seen him since, but didn't sleep soundly for a few nights.

"there was this spider. Big, black and ugly" ..is there another kind ...I hate them sobs stompfest time.

Anything crawling across our floor doesn't survive with a Lab around. He loves eating bugs.

My wife "Jackson get it!" ..... It's gone.

Your lucky you live where you do and have to worry about such little spiders, you should try spending some time here and have to deal with these scary f'ers.

Just try Saran Wrap on one of these.

LOL!

All my voices say:

"Catch it in a jar!"

Just enough voices to conspire to kill a spider.

We had a Chihuahua when I was growing up who did that, too. I also once had a German Shepherd who literally hunted honey bees. She'd snatch one out of the air, or off a flower, and chomp it up real fast before it could sting her. That was back when honey bees were a common sight. I think I've seen one or two in the last seven or eight years.

A bunch of us were going fishing for lake trout years ago on Lake Michigan. I went with my dad who was police officer and all of his cop buddies.

Anyway, we stopped the Chevy Blazer on the way there so everyone could pizz in an Indiana cornfield and while we were whizzing we heard several shots. It was one dad's buddies who was terrified of spiders and emptied a full cylinder of .357s from a S&W Mdl 66 at a garden spider. He never even hit the damn thing.

All the voices I hear are in agreement...

SHRECK IS A WUSS




Mike

Ours are Red backs, they are pretty much everywhere here and are no bother, just feels like a sliver of glass going through the skin and leaves the area white for a day.

Bloody funnel webs are the bad bastards, and white tails for that long lasting rotten septic wound.

A squirt with Solfac Pro or a smack with a thong (flipflop) stuffs them.

I have no compassion...kill'em all!

it is just waiting for the right time...



as are the rest.............

Damn looks like a recluse bite !

Any in my house get killed, if I can. Outside, unless they've made a web across where I walk, I generally leave them alone. They catch and kill skeeters and gnats.

I predict that this post may live in infamy......... forever.

MRSA ?

One morning...recovering from a hangover....I hear the Girlfriend screaming. I went back to sleep.

It just so happens, i had cut my hand severely the week before...She called me....called me again....Then grabbed my hand. I's AWAKE.

She hands me a flyswatter and directs me to the bathroom....Says "There it is, Kill it"

Well, I got big hands....This critter was darn near half the size of one of my paws. I figured I needed a little more ammunition for this beast so I took the hat off my head and clobbered it. Then clobbered it again. I think i hit that thing like 6 or 7 times.

The crisis finally ended, I went out into the tool shed and brought in the Entrenching tool....Scooped up the remains and tossed it out the back door. I swear I heard a "Thud" when it hit the ground.

Wolf spiders.............Gotta love 'em.

That's what I figure, too. They just rot the living flesh away, and keep doing so for years after the bite.

A veterinarian discovered a way to prevent that, though. He discovered that if you inject the bite site with cortisone steroid all around it, multiple injections, that it will heal it right up with little to no damage, so long as you do it within the first few hours after the bite.

spider bite expert now too huh?

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Arti...isher-recommended.htm?EdNo=001&From=

Shot went over your head............I am sure it is true...but trh is the world's eggspurt on every subject...just wait and watch

Believe me, I've read enough here to know what you're saying.

I just posted the link for the benefit of the campfire forum members. A recluse bite is a biitch, and this treatment saved a friend's arm.

no, its brown recluse venom, causes the body to have an autoimmune response and the body starts destroying healthy tissue....

i would rather take a hit from a copperhead than a brown recluse....

Not according to this.


http://www.australianmuseum.net.au/Brown-Recluse-Spider-email-hoax/

you believe that, which is just talking about Australia, ill believe the scientists studying the spiders, specifically their venom....and keep in mind that page you just linked has no peer reviewed medical papers attached to it....has a couple of news stories on the bottom....

do like the one story saying a house is loaded with recluse and no bites.....i lived on a property loaded with black widows and never got bit...doesnt mean they arent venomous....

Hello Rattler, I was under the impression that the Recluse spider carried a bacterium in it's saliva/venom that causes the necrosis?

no, its not a bacterium, its a protien in the venom setting off a localized autoimmune response which is why as noted above, the application of steroids seems to help....the body is turning on itself like it does in rheumatoid arthritis or lupus.......

Good sized spider can bring out the Edwin Kemper in me.

I'm glad to know there are other spider haters. I figured it was just a thing with guys named Les (I'm a Les too). I friggen hate the bastids everyone of them I don't care what type of where they are. I do enjoy hunting them with my S&W model 63, 22lr ratshot is perfect for the bastids, ewww gives me chills thinking about them...

You do realize the one you whacked was just a scout, right?

It's the smaller ones that seem dangerous in these parts - ain't had the full spider experience until a BR hits you in a bad place.

Not according to the medical literature. Like I said, it's mostly likely something else, probably MRSA.

The spider bite/necrotizing fasciitis myth was dispelled years ago.

http://www.amednews.com/article/20020805/health/308059999/4/

I would have had a good stomp just last night while on an evening stroll.

A 65 pound spider charged me from the bushes, fur up, lots more signs of real aggression than displayed by the Spider in Lord of the Rings. I turned toward it and faced it down, causing it to back up. When I then proceeded to walk away, it waited till I was about ten yards distant (with my back to him), then silently charged from behind, most likely thinking that I wouldn't be able to see or respond to the charge from that direction. I turned, while simultaneously drawing a very nice set of custom made cocobolo nunchucks from my right front pocket, causing the spider to instantly rethink his decision. I stomped towards him while shouting, and he backed off further, letting me proceed on my way. Of course, I had a sidearm too, but didn't think it necessary. Held to the same standard as a cop, though, I'd have been perfectly justified. Naturally, not being a cop, I'd also have likely been arrested.

Rattler specialises in crawly nasty bitey things, and is fairly well versed in the subject.

Was it a colored spider? Did he have a crazed look on his face?

John

for something dispelled years ago there is sure a hell of alot of money being spent in the study of recluse venom from all over the world coupled with the development of an antivenin...pharmaceutical companies aint known for throwing money away on antivenin which is notoriously a bad investment which is why we currently have no coral snake antivenin in the US....

My GSP does the same thing. Spiders, wasps, bees, moths, etc, Stomps them with his front paws & eats them & somehow manages not to get stung.

My cocker spaniel will get them too.

She's not the brightest dog, though.

Remember getting food at petsmart once, with some 680 year old lady behind me in line.

"what kind of dog you have?"

"cocker spaniel"

"oh, those are such beautiful dogs. I've had a few. Dumb as a rock though. No offense, but I've seen house plants with more intelligence. I got a German Shepherd now. He's mean but I like him that way...."

That's what my wifes looked like when she was bitten 20+ years ago by a recluse. Still has a bad scar on her leg...

Gordon "Pegleg" Blohm was one of the founders of NRA BPCR in the Desert Southwest, and is long gone to his reward.

I wish he was still around. Were the two of you able to discuss the Brown Recluse bites to which he LOST his leg, I think you might be inclined to re-think your position.

GTC

in the 11 years ive been with my wife ive run into 3 doctors that claimed there is no such thing as migraines and that my wife was just a drug addict looking for a fix.....just cause you can find someone with letters behind there name that says something doesnt mean what they say is true or what is accepted by a hell of alot of people with letters behind their names....you dont have to be a genius to get a PhD or an MD, infact some with them are [bleep] retards....

That article is the most phony. ridiculous POS I've ever seen.

....and goddam irresponsible drivel.

GTC

That's what I figure, too. They just rot the living flesh away, and keep doing so for years after the bite.

A veterinarian discovered a way to prevent that, though. He discovered that if you inject the bite site with cortisone steroid all around it, multiple injections, that it will heal it right up with little to no damage, so long as you do it within the first few hours after the bite.

actually i was bit by a brown recluse many years ago, and that is what the doctor did for me, along with a dose of antibiotics.

Interesting - except maybe for Rattler, the folks here who seem to have the most accurate and specific info on Brown Recluse bites/effects/treatments - are those who have actually been hit and treated. How could that be - this is the internet?

Paul,
it was Dr. Duncan by the way, sure you knew him.

I had a grandson hit a few years ago on the hand by a spider, specific type i don't remember, but pretty gross mite. It was treatable however, probably see him in prescott this weekend and he can refresh my memory on what they did for him.

Well, i can tell you what happened to me. The assumption of a recluse is all it was, but this is what did happen. I remember being in bed in prescott, and feeling a bite. didn't think much of it at the time. Drove to phx on business, and late afternoon checked into a Motel. I really wasn't feeling good, leg was acting up, cold sweats, felt delerious if that is the right word. I thought i was going to die, so i hobbled out to the car to get back to yavapai country where if it was to be thats where i wanted to go out. Drove back to prescott with my rt leg propped up on the seat, on cruise control. Can't really state aedequately how out of it i was. Next morning i had a big circle around the bite, as I remember it now years later, it was blue, yellow, all kinds of interesting colors. But it sure as heck wasn't no flea bite. Took quite a while to go away. Remember in the grandsons case it did rot some of the flesh around the bite. I don't know for certainly if recluse's are in arizona, but i have been led to believe they are.

I had a good looken brown spider on me last night while I was preppen brass.

Kinda tickled...

Gonna miss it

Snake

I looked it up, I thought so, but they call it a desert recluse in arizona, i also look up on this link the symtoms, pretty much matched what i said earlier, almost word for word:
http://www.desertusa.com/desert-animals/brown_spider.html

ive never been hit, i dont live within their range though a handful have shown up in lumber and such from areas within their range....even had a Brazilian wandering spider show up in a box of bananas at the grocery store.....

the wife says im a walking encyclopedia of useless information and one area that takes up lots of room is creepy crawly critters(hence the handle) especially snakes and those things that are venomous....read a hell of alot of scientific papers......

as to the mrsa, i can tell you about that too, shocked the snot out of me when the doc said i had it last fall. He gave me some real horsepills, and I went elkhunting, which was probably not the smartest thing to do. Didn't think i could affect the elk i shot.
I asked him at the time where i picked it up at, and he said it could have been anywhere. I don't laugh anymore at wiping off the handles on those shopping carts. And to carry it forward, people have no idea of the things coming into the country from down south with the arrival of all those illegals, it's true and it's serious.

Ron, that would be Dave Duncan? Quite a good doc, for lots of things. You were determined to get to your own doc, and did. Best stuff.

Being 250 miles from home when the BR effects locked in, I had to grab the nearest Urgent Care place available. Fortunately, the lady doc on duty knew exactly what it was and what to do, even though it was in a very difficult location. She was great - made sure the effects and damage were held to a minimum - but, still, the discomfort is not easy to describe and not fun to recall.

I was thinking about those snakes a couple of days ago when i was up a canyon in the southern bradshaws, real prime rattler country. I had a gun with me, but not the proper one. A belt fed semiauto shotgun. I don't know why i haven't got hit, setting down next to them, walking over them, chasing them in high brush in shorts, but i got to tell you, you have one buzzing at you at your feet, even an old fat man learns to jump. I have a vacquero .45colt i handloaded snake shot for this particular issue.

It was Dave Duncan, I trusted him. Doctors don't always pick this stuff up. Few years ago I had two goldies out on table mesa road, just south of new river. They had just got through playing in the aqua fria, which was running. I had made the mistake of having them off leash. They were running a head of me, and were under the shade of some mesquite where i figure they both got bit, but didn't know it at the time. Both started to go down, and we got lucky with some a.t.v.'s that went by, getting them down to my truck and to an emergency vet. He said it was heat prostration, which I didn't really understand as they were wet from the river. Few days later this was over the memoril day weekend, transfered the one dog to regular vet and he died. We were really upset and took the other dog up to prescott. On the way back she was laying in my wife's lap and we noticed some blood on her back. Shaving the hair off, we found the two puncture marks from a snake bite. I think the first dog got the big dose, she got a lessor amount. She recovered but the hair turned white around where bit. Vet still swore up and down heat prostration, couldn't answer the friggin puncture wounds. I switched vets, but probably should have sued him.

most bites come from people actually trying to mess with them.....venom is expensive and snakes often make the decision not to strike if they think they can avoid it......some species are more aggressive than others though, cottonmouths seem to be in a constant state of pissed the [bleep] off, but the prairie rattlers round here 9 times out of 10 i notice them after they have started to make their exit from my vicinity....

and this is the other half of the story. That dog weighed about 100 pounds. I figure when I blow to eternity about 100 pounds of snake we will be somewhat equal. I am still working on it, but there are less snakes around than before.

Anyone that dares to claim such a thing is full of it.

Dexamethasone (in tobradex) did nothing to the brown recluse bite I got on a leg. The area eventually started turning black and dying.

try running into one when your wife is in pain and he is the only doc in 50 miles on a weekend.....the one its prolly a damn good thing my brother happened to be with us cause he drug me out of the ER when the [bleep] got in my face bout getting my wife to quit being a junkie.....i was gonna haul his arse down to my shop, put his head in a vice crank it good and tight and ask him if it hurt.....

i said tends to, not will......problem with autoimmune responses its your own body doing the real damage....the reason it didnt work for you is the reason there isnt a magic bullet for other autoimmune diseases like celiac disease, eczema, rheumatoid arthritis and any other of the 100 plus such diseases....each person is different so you wont find a magic bullet that works for everyone......steriods tend to shut down the immune system to a degree so they help with autoimmune response most of the time, but not always....