http://kdvr.com/2014/06/27/watch-ma...dog-shot-you-guys-killed-my-best-friend/

I saw that a few minutes ago. The cop was wrong and needs to be fired IMO.

Just finished the article. Pretty pathetic. Law enforcement had better figure it out soon or the tables will turn and things will get very ugly.

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I agree. Screw the public. Let 'em look for their own kidnapped children. They should be more responsible.

Any LEO worth his Duncan Donuts would have searched the presumed lost childs'family home first before "screwing" the rest of the public and shooting a non involved private citizens' family dog.

"We were looking for a lost child,� one officer responded. A neighborhood parent had reported their 3-year-old child missing earlier in the day. The child was later found asleep in the basement of the family�s home.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/26/p...r-they-shot-his-dog-video/#ixzz35r2i0fkp

Didn't they teach you anything about doing research at "the academy"?

Police dept should have a standing order , you shoot someones dog you will be in the unemployment line .

Allot of cop bashing on this site but this prix's action was just plain wrong and you know it Lt.
I doubt you'd be so flip if it were your family pet that was killed while legally locked up in your own backyard on your own private property.

I've gone 2,000 miles across the western US on this trip and I haven't seen one cop shoot a dog.

With all the reports of dog shootings on here, I would have expected to see at least a half dozen.

Well see...the cops should have told the parents to search their house and call back later if they still can't find their baby.

Wow. I would expect this response from Dink, but not you.

why can't we just expect the police to do what we hired them to do, which INCLUDES looking for lost children, but does NOT include shooting dogs?

Maybe. Or maybe the dog owner is the neighborhood child molester and the kids mother was in the street screaming that she knew he had the kid and as raping it in the back yard. Or maybe the Utah State Police are morons. The only thing for sure is that people that draw absolute conclusions without absolute knowledge are absolute idiots.

I bet the cop was a Texan.
He saw a high fence and a bowl of food........poor SOB thought be was "hunting".

It was Dink who probably shot the dog

For the record it's Dunkin' Donuts. Just wanted to clear that up.

Y'all carry on.

Blueberry cake donuts from Dunkin' are the chit.

Haven't had one in probably 20 years.

Sure Itp, shoulda coulda. Fact is they didn't. The SLC cop decided to go all ricky recon and trash the private property rights of the very people who pay his salary. He shot a dog that was doing its job by protecting his master's property(inside a fenced enclosure no less ie. no threat to anyone outside the fence) and paid the ultimate price for it.

If you don't like the heat from the "civilian" population then start policing your own or get the hell out of the copshop kitchen.

All the times my Grandpa took me as a little kid probably subconsciously effected my career choice as an adult.

1-People complaining on the Fire ain't "heat", lol.

2-If I'm ever unfortunate enough to drive through Utah, I'll be sure to make a pitstop and straighten all those cops out.

I also agree

There seems no way any longer to assure the safety of your dog from being shot by a cop. If they wanted to search the property, they should have first contacted the property owner. This wasn't farm land. It was the fenced-in curtilage of a man's home.

Or maybe the dog had the kid in its' mouth.

Well you got that one right.
The cops at the scene seemed to agree w/ the owner though.
They knew the shooter cop was in the wrong, so did the shooter cop.Why else would he leave?

There seems no way any longer to guarantee the safety of your Dunkin' Donuts break from people who forgot what their children looked like or that they had a basement.

We can all agree that the cop shouldn't have shot the dog. Can we also all agree that the parents are idiots and shouldn't have called the police to begin with?

Not as much difference between the two as you may have thought. He's really been showing his true colors lately.

Time to look for a lost kid in that cops neighborhood and shoot anything of his that threatens the searchers (dog, cat, kids, wife, him, whatever).

Bluedreaux, you and Itp can joke all you want but there is going to come a time when homeowners shoot back and good people are going to die all because dumba$$es like the SLC cop above weren't vetted properly by their "brothers in blue".

Sooner or later some Cops are going to get killed over something like this.

People are funny sometimes. Some people love their dogs more than their own relatives and would consider it murder for this to happened to their dog.

Some guy who's lost a job, went thru a divorce, no health insurance, has nothing left to lose, etc, etc, will come home and find his house busted into and the one thing that's been with him thru it all, has been shot and killed by a cop.

It's only a matter of time till somebody flips out and goes postal because some LEO killed his pet.

It'll happen sooner or later...

If that happened, I'd find it very hard to shed a tear for any cops involved.

Some cop retard in Utah ain't my brother any more than any other retard in Utah. And I've got no more knowledge of what he does everyday or influence over him to change his behavior than you do.

The guys I have contact with every day aren't shooting dogs, or doing body cavity searches, or whatever else behavior of strangers you want to hold me responsible for.

I've turned in subordinates and testified against superiors who are now in prison and encouraged folks to complain against jackass officers that I couldn't change. So try again, oh Painter With A Wide Brush. I've done my part and will again.

Yes. ^

What I won't agree with though is LEO's defending this kind of chit with wisecracks and innuendo simply because it was another LEO that did the deed.

The a-hole that shot the dog shouldn't have a the job to start with. Period.

What did I defend?

I think he's referring to;

Wasn't necessarily referring to you.
Sux when you all get lumped togeather, huh.

I wish we could get them to shoot dogs more often. Perhaps there would be fewer loose ones running around, biting (our) my kids, killing our (my son's) dogs, and scattering trash all over the place. Admittedly, they all are cute as puppies. But, they don't want us killing loose dogs ourselves; it's their job.

This one wasn't loose. He was in a fenced yard.

No where in any of my posts did I "hold" you responsible for the actions of the SLC cop, so get off your self proclaimed pedestal of self righteousness. I responded to your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling at anyone who has critical remarks of LEO.

If your dept. is walking the moral high road then great, keep up the good work, but there are too many cases around the rest of the country that in the least, show basic disregard for constitutional rights of the general populous and at its worst represent abject criminal activities committed by the very people who are paid to prevent those crimes.

LEO, across the board, need to reassess it's mindset of "us vs them" and realize they are in fact, civilians just like the rest of us. If they want support from the people who pay their salaries then they better start exercising their oath or there really will be a future of "us vs them".... and LEO is totally out numbered by many magnitudes.

Yep, anyone that can defend what this cop did is a first class douche. No sense in it happening. Even the cops left on scene knew it was a screw up...you can tell by their reactions.

I respect law enforcement and have many friends and family that are but this kind of crap has to end.

Thanks. I've always thought I was pretty adept with my flippancy, but it's nice to know other people notice too.

Nice red herring. Make the argument about whether or not the cops should be out looking for lost children, that action is much easier to defend and makes anyone attacking that action the bad guy.

The issue is not that an officer was out looking for a child. That's well and good and one of the things we expect the police to do. The issue is that the officer went into a man's private back yard and shot a dog that was doing what a dog is supposed to do - defend its owner's property against strangers coming into its territory. Going into random back yards an officer would have reasonable expectation of encountering a dog or other family pet.

What people get upset about is that the officer took the recourse of using deadly force as his first choice. If he felt threatened he had non-lethal means at his disposal to mitigate the threat but chose to do otherwise.

Ahh, a legend in his own.
Says a lot.

You said it, not me.....

For those of us with a sense of humor they are actually quite funny.

Of course understanding the quality of you personal work in this field makes it much easier to see the humor.

Regardless of how humorous, it's context that matters. And Blu hasn't figured that out yet.

Actually, he has and to a degree that most of the rest have not. He and the Lt comment only on these types of threads in order to derail the thread and move the focus from the egregious actions of the cops in question to their own actions. Distraction is a very effective tactic in controlling the conversation and diverting focus from the problems at hand.

The City of San Jose, CA lost a $900k+ lawsuit after cops killed three dogs in a drug raid - and found no drugs, wrong house. That amount is excessive, but the police should have a damn good reason for destroying property during a search, even if it is for a lost child. Were I the dog's owner I'd sue the crap out of the city in question.

I'm just giving you goofballs what you're looking for. You should be thanking me for humoring your thoughts. I'll take my chances with the "heat" that kids on the internet provide.

You can bet if lawsuit payouts such as this were tied to LEO's salaries and pension plans, including the chief, changes would be made post haste to prevent morons such as the SLC dumba$$ laying boot leather inside any precinct. But as it stands now we the loyal tax payer get bent over on all counts.

My responses to these type of posts are TIC, as the pejudice of the posters precludes any serious consideration.

Is anybody else craving Dunkin' Donuts now?

Nostradamus you are not. 4ager is right, you and your buddy don't have the mental presence to back your argument with any substance so you lay out smoke and mirrors to cover you ineptitude.

Yuck...I've got 5# of jumbo shrimp in the truck though.

Nope. We just don't argue with idiots...too much like work.

Since you have nearly 30k posts at the 24CF and are still engaged in this thread I suppose the above should be considered a compliment. But then, you knew that.

Blue, G12, and Lt. Pat are all in favor of you going to prison for 25 years if you shoot one of their police dogs though.

Two things that most idiots have in common is that they believe they know what other people think and they are smarter than they really are.

Ok then, what would be your appropriate penalty for killing a police dog?

You mean like this?

"I'm just giving you goofballs what you're looking for. You should be thanking me for humoring your thoughts." quote by Ltppowell.

well, as long as were at it, could someone go ahead and outline their solution to these issues.

Of all the "f*cking cop" type threads, I have yet to see anyone post a viable solution to resolution, other than someone stating some blather about the need to keep posting so people can stay informed.

Consider us informed.

What's the solution, and who's taking what steps towards fruition?

I don't care, that dog knew it was a dangerous job when he volunteered for it.

I'd prefer that we use monkeys anyway.

The monkeys are already holding the leash.

I totally agree. From the dark years of my life, I can understand that. My dog, Bo (in my avatar <<<< ), was the only thing that I lived for then.

Nowadays, I'd find the most cutthroat, persistent lawyer, cut him in for 40%, and go for the throats of the city, the P.D. and the shooter.

I wish I was a monkey. Or a gorilla maybe. I dunno.

It's really hot here sometimes so I'd want to be a monkey with short hair. Although I think most monkeys live in tropical climates, so that doesn't narrow it down much. Is it hot where you live?

I was at a county fair one time and saw a monkey that rode on the back of a dog to herd sheep. I wouldn't want to be a monkey that small because people would always want to pet you, which would get old fast I bet.

Did you watch that Planet Of The Apes movie from a few years ago? That really smart monkey that started all the trouble got all pissed off when folks treated him like a pet. But nobody messed with the gorilla when he got some brains in him, not even a friggin helicopter was safe. So maybe I'd want to be a gorilla.

I rode in a helicopter once when I was a kid. It was pretty cool. Have you ever ridden in a helicopter? If I had a helicopter I'd paint it like Magnum P.I.'s helicopter. Did you know that Tom Selleck was almost cast as Indiana Jones but passed on it because he got the gig as Magnum P.I.? That's what I heard.

I like Tom Selleck's westerns. Have you ever seen Quigley Down Under? It's a "western" set in Australia, but I don't know if it's actually the western part of Australia or not.

Did you know that the guy who wrote the music for Quigley also wrote the music for Lonesome Dove? I bought the soundtrack for Lonesome Dove at the Quarter Horse Museum in Amarillo one time. I really like it. You can borrow it if you'd like.

Free association day, Blue? That actually elicited an out-loud chuckle... thanks.

The correct answer is Japanese Macaques.!

Temperate Summer and get to chill all Winter in the hot tub..

ROTFLMFAO!!!!

Anytime. I adeptly sling flippant remarks for the benefit of others.

I'm a giver.

Now THAT was uncalled for... A bowl of food does not automatically equate to corn or protein feed...

I'd def be a monkey with fangs. I'd jump down off the top of by corn feeder and bite a deer's neck right off.

Monkey like in wizard of Oz. Frightens me still.

Piblix fresh donuts are actually much better.

Touche.

I've never heard of those. But if you ever come to visit I'll buy you a Round Rock Donut. They're using the same recipe from the 40s and sell nearly 1,000,000 donuts a year.

http://www.roundrockdonuts.com/about.html

It's very simple and old fashioned. A man's home (and its curtilage) is his castle. Without going through the intentionally egregious process of obtaining a proper warrant or getting the owner's permission, do not enter, period. The only exception permitted by immemorial legal tradition is an actual confirmed emergency requiring trespass onto that property in particular. The Founders intentionally placed a very high barrier around fundamental rights as against state intrusion. It wasn't an oversight on their part that state agents need to find ways around.

Remove sovereign immunity for cops convicted of wrong doing or for those that settle in lieu of prosecution. That goes for the chief and supervisors in the department. Make them all personally, financially responsible for the illegal actions of subordinates. If their union wants to cover those penalties, fine, but hit them where it hurts.

If that doesn't work, it won't be long until it's time to shoot back...or first.

All cops should face mandatory jail time if he or she shoots a dog on someones property without a warrant to be on the said property.
This would fix it ASAP

Good point, but I bet even if that became Federal law, they'd set up special police "prisons" which amount to little more than beach resorts. You'd have to add that the cop could never again work in law enforcement, not even a desk job.

That would work.

Personally, I think that commission of any crime by a cop should be considered an aggravating offense (ditto politician). If commission of a crime while under the influence of a drug or with a weapon is an aggravating and compounding offense for anyone else, then under the influence of authoritative power and while armed should be considered the same for those responsible for passing and those responsible for enforcing laws.

Yep. Been saying that for years.

You should have come with us, we shot hundreds and the landowner thanked us...

Policing is simply not as dangerous as police egos demand that they believe and scream to any uninformed enough to listen. Most police most of the time have no need to be lethally armed. As long as we allow all on duty police to be lethally armed we invite these police shootings of dogs in their own yards, old men with canes, old men in their beds, and the lobbing of grenades in cribs with babies.

Likewise, dogs just are not as dangerous as police egos demand. In a lifetime of owning dogs and nearly one of volunteer rescuing dogs, I've been bitten by everything from Pekinese to Malamutes and have never needed to harm a dog nor ever needed more than some stitches at a Doc-In-A-Box myself. The bulk of volunteers of every domestic animal rescue organization with which I've been acquainted have been little college age girls and old ladies and they've managed many thousands of dogs from the tamest to those made vicious by abuse without harming a single dog or any serious injury to volunteers. Police kill our dogs because they can kill them, not because they need to kill them. If we made it felony animal cruelty for LEO to kill or maim a dog unless an officer was actually bitten, I bet that the police could find ways to manage dogs without shooting them or slitting their throats.

I've heard there's secret video of you going for double lattes and 8-grain rolls...

The dog's owner was a lot calmer than I would have been. There might have been a dead cop and my carcass splattered in a pool of blood.

WTF is wrong with modern LEO!?!? Those still on scene appeared to care less, too.

LEO here, don't even try to justify the dog's killing.

Clint Smith and every other LEO training facility in this country is wasting money with their ill-conceived programs for training when all they would need to do is come to the Campfire and find out how simple it really is...

a weimeraner? what a douche! being a cop is secondary. primarily the guy is a douche!

^^A great idea.^^

Your idea has strong supporting precedents both those you cite and those in civil rights laws where 'under color of law' is an established additional or aggravating offense. Hoist them on their own petard.

How many dogs in fenced back yards, without a warrant or probable cause, has Clint Smith shot?

Betcha I know the answer.

LIAR!!!!!

That conclusion puts you into the same category. I used to respect you, but I was not a good judge of character, I guess.

Yep. Especially when the article and the reports specifically put the guy AT WORK, when to cops did not notify him at all regarding the warrantless intrusion onto his property (at any time), and when the dog involved was a [bleep] Weimaraner.

You're just a damn cop hater and you know his fellow officers know where he lives and would never do that.

Not seeing a problem here. I think the educate the public part should be a policy where any dogs get shot before entering the fenced in area so the officer will be in even less danger. Anyone opposed to that just hates cops.

Why would you say that? They have to support each other no matter what.

Bluedreaux, Lt.P, I feel your pain...

Nobody likes Soccer either...

Yeah, the officer talking to him should have defended his brother officer and claimed a furtive movement by the child molesting dog owner. I know it helps you guys to deeply imagine scenarios like that so you can be more convincing.

LOL

Sounds like you are a coward who would turn on your friends. Police don't do that no matter what.

And when that happens Bluedreaux and Itp will light you up no matter what their fellow officers have done.

Can we get a cop to shoot sherp? It'd be true public service.

If one officer supports the actions of another officer then I support those actions too. Why would the police shoot me for that? They don't shoot each other over supporting their own actions that I am aware of.

Sherp, TRH and their fellow weak swimmers would do 2 things if a criminal freak entered their property and proceeded to shoot their dog;
1. crap their pants
2. call the police for help.

Carry on tough guys.

mike r

Wearing a Badge does't give you the power over the citizens that Obama seems to have over the Senate and Congress

Don't lump me in with the cop hater TRH. Of course I would call the police as would you since you and I both support the police without reservation.

Yes it does.

The senate and house aren't against Obama, it isn't that he has any power over them.

It's clearly evident that NO 3-year old could scale that tall of a fence and get into that backyard. FTP.....

I only call the police for insurance accident reports.

Don't be too hard on him. He is probably a middle ged virgin who backs himself onto a doorknob for pleasure

I wonder if anyone here might think that Pat might just be tired of all of the LEO bashing that goes on here at the Campfire? Ever think of that? Or is he not allowed to be fed up because he's a Peace Officer?
And I know that he's going to lose seconds of sleep because someone here,that's probably never shaken his hand,has lost respect for him.
Being a Cop is a crappy way to make a living in my opinion and those who do it ain't as perfect as some think they should be.
This story looks bad but we don't know all of the facts.
Shooting a dog in it's own backyard is bad and the cop that did it should probably be selling shoes but... We still don't have all of the facts and I can't blame Pat one single bit of being fed up with the constant bashing.
Now all of you sinless can carry on with your stone throwing.

According to LTP, the child molesting home and dog owner could have thrown the child over the fence or even a gust of wind could have blown the child over.

Well of course he is fed up. Most people do not understand what it is like to have to come to the aid of their co-workers no matter what has occurred like police do.

Cops are not even good for that anymore, unless you are willing to let them kill your dog then too.



Remember that Candy's owner's calling for a report on a burglary got him nothing but her shot in front of his very eyes.

I wonder... Have you ever met Pat in person? Do you know him other than what you've read here on the Campfire?
I'd say no.
I'd also say that talking out of your ass lets everyone know how truly bad your breath is.

As you suggest, there are countless professions with more regular contact with dogs, and their practitioners somehow find a way to go through an entire career of it without shooting a single dog. Pretty cowardly to shoot a dog just because you can, and far worse than cowardly to do it while you yourself are trespassing within its fenced in yard.

In vino veritas.

Frustration like drink can only block inhibitions and reveal one's real character, not create something not already present.

Never heard that before and I disagree with it,I think.
I do have a first rate BS detector though,and it's pegged.

I don't really know how good a cop Pat is but he can sure make some dam good Pork Bar'B'Q

I taught him well then.

If you had as good of a logic infuser as you think you do a BS detector, you'd realize that you just wrote that a drink or being frustrated excuses one of their actions and words.

YES YOU DID

Still the biggest blow hard on the campfire....

Can you tell us again how much money you put down on things until your "stock broker" sends you a check? ......laffin.

Dink

So you are a co-worker of Pat's?

He isn't cooking BBQ in his duties as an officer. If he failed to assist a fellow officer he would quickly become a former officer or start wanting to become one.

The blonde chick in the video - she's hot.

I'm not surprised that a cop(or anyone) enters a yard and the dog goes on the offensive, that's why we have dogs.
No contact with the home owner before letting himself in.

Help yourself to my front door and I might go on the offensive too.

You are the biggest cock suckin' douchebag on the Fire.

I'm not sure about that.....you're well into the top ten, but even you're no sherp

You might get four votes on that from You, Dink, Blue and Pat, but that's about it and I'm proud to have those four votes.

Look at it from the cops perspective. He finally got to shoot that gat he's been carrying around everyday and then gets a paid vacation while the incident is "under investigation". Its a win-win situation.

Not With all the time you have spent at truck stops.

Dink

Course we can...we lock him up in your backyard, wait for the next 3 year old to go "missing" in your neighborhood, and go to work...that's all I got ...

I'm [bleep] howling literally...and of course I'm guilty of my dawgs been'n family

If you are meaning a police officer letting themselves in then you would be in the wrong.

Huntsman,

Stirring the [bleep] up since 1903! Start a dog-shooting thread here is like dropping a SBD fart in Walmart and walking off to the next isle.

Seriously though, I avoid these threads just because of how contentious they are. I don't like to see good folks squaring off when in fact there are no winners at the cyber OK corral. I don't like to see dogs shot. And I don't like to see all PD maligned based on sad but statistically small number of incidents.

How about a music thread?

Back when I was a kid it was a small percentage of cops, now it is most of them, they are like politicians, corrupt as [bleep].

Good use of the word "all" Bob! Claiming the opposition is claiming absolutes like "all", the saying you don't like to see dogs shot(empathy), AND saying you don't post in threads like this(indifference)are very good tactics to use against them!!

Police are no different now than they were 10, 20, 30 even 100 years ago. The only difference is the little whiner having a camera so the officers can't just go tell him to pound sand. I bet they shove that camera up his whining ass someday.

I think if I'm gunna drink tonite, I'm gunna read and not post...let's see how I do.....

Put that POS in my yard, and I'll shoot it and whoever put it there myself.

well technically I'm not drinking yet...It's one 22 ozer ofgood IPA from dear ole' Gonyland, this does not prostitute a post...

You're a f'n IDIOT!

Ditto....just another cop.

Truth of the matter is dogs aren't being shot at any greater rate now vs 80 yrs ago. It's just being reported better. We dug up logs from the 30s and strays were shot as a matter of practice. I certain don't condone it but it isn't new.

No doubt.

The internet scatters this kind of news instantly now. That's not all bad, either.

Are there any exceptions?

Another horrible dog killing by police already:

Cops Shot at Retreating Arthritic Dog Toward House Filled with Children: Business as Usual

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...ps_Shot_at_Retreating_Arthri#Post8980507

That title is a bit misleading the old basset mix Willy Pete wasn't shot at he was shot and killed as he fled to his owners's feet.

That is a good idea! The department should claim the dog owner was a suspected child molester and the dog was a suspected stray at the same time! I hope you are the spokesofficer for your dpeartment with quick thinking like that. You could not only defuse the situation for the officer, but turn the public against the child molesting stray dog owner as well.

now he's pyschoanalizing folks on the internet.

I've said it before apparently you, sherp and others have all dodged it artfully in lieu of your incessant BS blather about the need to keep posting any cop videos and stories, so people can stay informed.

Consider us informed.

What's the solution, and who's taking what steps towards fruition?

It certainly can't be going the route of choosing proper elected leaders to reform the system, as the last person that suggested that, ol shemp went back to his "why do you hate the police" schtick on them.

Aside from fomenting a few more folks to go "Vegas" and shoot some cops eating lunch, what are your solutions to the issue.

Use your almighty brain to spell out - other than regurgitated bitch sessions, what you feel is the appropriate course of action?

Feel free to ignore this post if your just a whiney bitch who only intends on diverting the question.

Shemp as well. I'd be really interested in what he has to offer as a logical solution.

Not sure why you lumped me in with someone who opposes an officer walking in to someone's backyard and shooting their dog then their fellow officers claim the homeowner was a suspect and the dog was a stray because, like you, I fully support all of that.

What more needs to be asked when someone claims to be upset by such an incident than "why do you hate all police"? If they didn't hate police in the first place they wouldn't be taking issue with what happened so the only way to begin solving the problem is to find out why the person hates all police instead of pretending they are legitimately offended by the actions that occcurred. It is what police officers online point out and rather weak that the 2 in the video didn't ask the whiney ass why. It certainly cannot be due to a wrongful action by an officer.

Are you bi-polar?

No, he's just re-tarded

Nope. Why do you hate the officers in this incident?

That is not a nice thing to say considering I am supporting the officers' actions which means had you been an officer in that town I would be defending you for doing the exact same things they did.

I meant constitute not prostitute....ppphhhkkkggg IPad .... Other than that, I did pretty well last night...carry on

Yep.

I've taken a couple of long car rides with Pat, and he is a fine gentleman - as are all the others LEO's I've met from the Fire. And no, I am not a cop, I make stuff for a living.

The Trayvon Martin case looked real bad at the outset, but eventually we learned details that suggested the shooting was justified. That may be the case here, or not. If not, sue the chit out of those responsible.

My first post in the thread offered a three tiered solution.

1) Limit most police most of the time to less than lethal weapons.

2) Have domestic animal rescue organization's volunteer college girls and old ladies share their courage and techniques for managing dogs with police.

3) Make it an act of felony animal cruelty for any LEO to kill or maim a dog unless an officer was actually bitten.



Yours was a classic, tried and true deflection and suppression attempt; but even the classic 'stop whining if you don't have a solution' line falls fast and hard when solutions were offered from the start.

Rovering,

I could buy in on your itemized list....but I would strikethrough 1 and edit to read " citizens have same right to weaponize as police, and the definition a "rightous" cop shoot would be the same as a citizens"

Kinda simple really, just a thunk....

Actually...I'd stick with my edit to 1 and be done...2 and 3 are fluff, now that I deeply contemplate...

Actually police are citizens, so upon deeper contemplation...the next edit to 1 would be "all citizens have the right to self protections, with the same standards of legal review""

done contemplating, usually don't take much to fill me up...miniature golf and pizza with the grandsons...grins

yes , only if he misses the dog

Actually, police while performing the duties or exercising the privileges associated with their government employ are not citizens; but are what Solzhenitsyn so aptly referred to as organs of the state. The organs have only the rights, duties, and privileges that their state employer grants them, and in America we still claim that we the people control the state and its organs.

The wonderful benefit of threads such as these is they keep the handful of derelict sock-puppets like chirp,rover and lagina off the streets and contained.

These cop bashing threads are an indirect community service to those unfortunate enough to live near these loser's grandparents and parole officers.

What I want to know is why the cop was trespassing in the first place?
I don't get to jump my neighbors fence to look for a wounded deer that jumped the fence after i wounded it,until I obtain permission to be on his property. Yeh, I know it was a kid missing but the law is the same. Cops are just out of control. "We the po po, we do what we want cause we knows what's best for de public good."

Actually I don't buy anything on a credit , i pay cash for everything .

You mean well I am sure, but seem to not be very bright. I support the officer entering the yard of the suspected child molester and shooting the stray dog just like you do.

Yes, you and Isaac are quite close on many subjects. You and he are natural allies here at The Fire.

Yes, but Isaac is merely an azzhole, Sheepdip is an azzhole and a window-licker.

We are no different. All of the cop haters got him worked up beyond his capacity so he got tripped up and thinking I didn't support police without reservation just like he does.

Good question. At least you thought of it.

Thanks Cuz, but it's ok. I enjoy poking the fools on the internet. In person, they are the types that smile in your face. It's good for all of us. They can feel big and I don't have to pretend they are relevant.

Amusing.

The officer would have to be maimed before he could act in self-defense.

No onehas accused Rovering of being overly intelligent

I bet no one ever f*cked up and called you Einstein.

Yep, the only people police think are relevant are other police officers.

Really Hawk? I'm betting 90 plus % went to dictionary.com to look that one up... As for me, I had to look up "Duncan" doughnuts...

Right out of the "How to Argue Like a Liberal" handbook

Justice in this case would be for someone to kill the officer's pet while he was at work. Better yet just post his photo and personal information for everyone to see.

Hopefully he will live long enough to see senseless violence inflicted on someone he cares for and then in a brief moment of reflection see how it feels....

What would have happened if the home owner, hearing a gun shot in his back yard....shot back in self defense believing his life was jeopardy from a hostile invasion?

FTP

So if the cop has a child you would be cool if he/she got hurt just so the cop can feel pain?

Let's not expand the suffering to any animals or people not responsible.

The cop(s) that shot the dog deserve serious consequences, but directly harming their animals or family should never be an option. Any secondary harm to them from the responsible cop(s) being fired and jailed, as they should be, is the dog killers' doing not ours, just like with any criminal.

Don't You Dare Criticize Officers For Shooting Dogs, Whines SLC Top Cop

Perhaps feeling a bit besieged after dog owner Sean Kendall posted a video of his impassioned confrontation with Salt Lake City police after one of their fellow officers entered his yard and shot his dog, Geist, Police Chief Chris Burbank stepped in front of a camera�and acted pissy that anybody would dare criticize his officers.

"Evidence shows that the dog was extremely close, in fact within feet of the officer," he insisted, immediately after stating that he wouldn't insert himself into the review of the case.

Well, OK. Let's give him that one. After all, Officer Brett Olsen, the shooter in the incident, had barged into the dog's yard at the time, while searching for a missing child in the neighborhood. He hadn't sought permission, and he apparently made no effort to back out. But he was there.

Then Burbank went on to refer to Olsen as a "seasoned officer" and a "hero" of the Trolley Square mall shooting before getting pissy about the public's angry response to the shooting of Geist. He read infuriated letters suggesting that Olsen deserved the same as he'd inflicted on Geist, and then went on to berate the public at large.

"It is extremely disappointing. This police department has worked tirelessly to ensure that the process that exists within our city for people to protest, for people to bring forth issues, for people to address problems and concerns with the police department, that avenues exist that we can move together and resolve problems...

Individuals will be held accountable for their actions as they always are. Not held accountable to this ridiculousness."

He went on to demand, well, that people respect his officers' authoritah.

"I ask only one thing, and that is that this community continues to approach interactions with the police department in a respectful manner."

Maybe this world just isn't good enough for you and your officers, Chief Burbank.

Justice for Geist rallyJustice for GeistThe chief's resentment at public criticism didn't seem to to take with those outraged by Geist's shooting. Yesterday, organized by Justice for Geist, somewhere between hundreds and thousands of protesters rallied outside the Salt Lake City Police Department to demand that Olsen be fired.

The Salt Lake City council also, rather gently, urged the police department to work with the Humane Society and consider less-lethal means of dealing with family pets. Even implied criticism of that sort toward the state's enforcers is rare from politicians.

Burbank did get one thing right when he marveled, "after 23 years in law enforcement, I haven't seen this sort of public outcry when certain human beings have lost their lives."

Militarized, aggressive and abusive policing is not a new thing, and innocent humans are often the victims, not dogs. But maybe animals that can't speak for themselves more easily evoke sympathy than men, women, and children.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/29/dont-you-dare-criticize-officers-for-sho



Wow, they usually at least try to mask their arrogance and contempt for citizens during press conferences.

Nope. Police officers are almost invariably conservative and they almost always use that question when someone who hates them pipes up.

Yep, only police officers should harm the families and pets of others since they can then pin the rap on their initial target.

Firstly, you are claiming an equivalence between a dog bite that is almost always nothing but a Betadine and Bandaid event to a killing.

Secondly, citizens have been given no choice but to set standard for allowing police use lethal force against dogs quite high. Police have repeatedly demonstrated that they haven't the knowledge, courage, and judgement for us to allow them to make this call on their own.

Just a sample of the most egregious recent cases from here on the 'Campfire' alone:

Shot in the back of her head on her own ranch:


Texas Man Has To Put His Dog Down With Bare Hands After Deputy Shoots, Injures � But Refuses To Kill

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/8805373/1

Shot and killed in his own back yard:


Police shoot, kill puppy in backyard while chasing suspect

Should read losing suspect.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...lice_shoot_kill_puppy_in_bac#Post8864298

Had her throat slit by one cop while restrained by a catch pole and another cop knelling on her chest:


Shock Claim: Police Officer Slit Dog�s Throat [Update: Premeditated, Fiend ID'ed]

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Shot in his own backyard:


another one bites the dust.....trigger happy cop

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/8979240/1

Shot three times as he fled cops back to his owner:


Cops Shot at Retreating Arthritic Dog Toward House Filled with Children: Business as Usual

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/8982781/1

Rovering, it is our fault, we elected the people that employ these people, if you don't believe it ask Bluedreaux, he'll fill you right in.

Do your row house community a great service and go stand in the line of fire,sock-puppet.