I posted this in the thread, "US military sniper ammunition", not to divert it, but to continue a previous post about the .30-06 ammunition and how the .30-06 diameter machine gun ammunition as the original "sniper" ammunition for the 1903A3 rifles, and later, how the M-60 machine gun ammunition became the first long-range match and sniper ammunition for the .308 bolt action rifles used in Vietnam.
------------ Remington built some heavy barrel bolt action rifles for the Army in the late 1960s, but most of the sniper rifles in Vietnam were the heavy M-14 or M-21. The Army used bolt action rifles for match shooting all during this time, and some of these configuration were used in combat. Remington did not catalog a varmint model back then.
The Marine Corps asked Remington to build them a bolt action rifle in 1965 to replace the Winchester Model 70 target rifles with Unertl scopes they were using in combat, chambered in .30-06. In 1966, Remington began delivering the M40, a short action Model 700 in 7.62x51mm NATO, with a 24-inch chrome moly barrel, 1:10 twist, Parkerized, with a heavy walnut stock similar to the Bishop stock being used on the 1903A3 target rifles. Empty weight was 9 pounds 5 ounces. It had no provision for iron sights, had Redfield JR one-piece base with dual dovetail rings, and Redfield scope.
These rifles had trued, squared actions and lapped bolt lugs. I guess these were produced in the Custom Shop, but never asked. Today, there is a separate Military Shop, but I do not know how long it has been separate.
After Vietnam, the USMC began buying the actions from Remington and building their own M40s.
The Army did not create a model until 1988, ordering a similar rifle to the M40, but using a long action and walnut stock. They used the long action in order to accomodate the .30-06 and .300 Win Mag cartridges. Most were drilled and tapped for Redfield target sight mounting dovetail blocks, just like the other target rifles at the AMU. Shortly thereafter, they switched from a glass-bedded walnut stock to a synthetic stock, like their varmint, target, PSS, and Sendero stocks are today. Some stocks later had an adjustable buttplate and cheekpiece (like the McMillan fiberglass ones).
Remington built a few replicas of the walnut-stocked M40 and M24 for sale to the public in 2008, for about $1,695.00, about $1,200.00 wholesale very reasonable.
I have some photos of all these. Some are not mine, and are not of me, but of US Army and USMC snipers, many in black and white. I would have to scan them, but I can probably get permission to post them, maybe this weekend. Have to work now.
----- 1903A4 rifles -----------------
At the early part of the Vietnam War, 1903A4 Springfield sniper rifles with the M84
telescopic sights were used, same as in the Korean War. There were not enough of
these, which is why you see photos of snipers and sharpshooters with Model 70
Winchester and Remington 700 ADL sporting rifles, usually in .30-06. The 1903A4 rifle
continued to be used into the 1970s.
The training manual is FM 23-10. The technical manual is TM 9-270, dated September 1943. The last revision of the TM 9-270 is Tm 9-1270, dated December 1970.
----- photos added -------------------
Chu Lai 1967 1966 Model 70 Winchester. Many used were .30-06. SPC4 Harry M. Mellett Company A 1st Battalion 327th Infantry US Army
photo by Army Combat Photographer SPC1 Ben Croxton, courtesy of The Army Times.
My 1903A3 in .30-06 with Bishop stock, receiver milled and tapped for Redfield one-piece base, built 1965. Black anodized aluminum buttplate.
The same Bishop stock (or copied from the Bishop stock above) on a Remington Model 700 with heavy match barrel, as built in 1966 for the US Marine Corps and US Army snipers in Vietnam, short action in 7.62x51mm NATO.
2008 Remington Model 700 short action reproduction of 1968 Vietnam sniper rifles with wood stock.
2009 Remington US Army M-24 built on 700 long action in 7.62x51mm NATO with Leupold Mk4 10X LRT. All the current M-24s have been on long actions to accommodate the .300 Winchester Magnum, which is now being currently ordered, both rifle from Remington and ammunition from Federal. See my post in the other thread for details of the orders.
That bottom photo doesn't look like a short action. Look at the gap between the rings, it's a dead giveaway. I carried an M24 for too long not to know the difference. Here's a short action that I own.
After reading your above post.. I have come to the conculsion that you are the Googel master and don't really know SCHIT about US sniper rifles other than what you glean from an online search...
Even then, your powers of observation and comprehension are that of a blind two year old.
The orgional M40 USMC stock were NOTHING more than a walnut, oil finished version of the Remington BDL monte carlo sporter. They were cut for soon the very soon to called "varmint weight" Remington heavy barrel. They had no checkering ,grip cap or forend tip had a checkered aluminum buttplate. It was not "copied" from ANY Bishop stock..
In short, your restocked 1903 stock HAS NOTHING in common with the M40 stock except is a bolt rifle stock, with a pistol grip and monte carlo..Big deal.
I don't know why you would even include it. It has NOTHING to do with the m40 or any variant of 03 springfield based sniper rifles..
If you would LOOK at the middle photo of the poorly design "replica" m40 it has an ebony grip cap. That is because it is a version made by Accurate inovations for this inaccurate "replica"- http://www.snipercentral.com/scm40.htm
That stock is not even close to the Remington style stock when you view them side by side..
Also, the rifle in the last pics is NOT a short action but a long action. The m24s era built that way so they could shoot both .308 and by using a spare, pre fitted bolt,the .300 win mag.
I thought the m24 was built on a long action because it was supposed to be chambered in the 30/06 springfield but due to the lack of match grade bullets they went with the 308 but still build on a long action in case they want to go to the 30/06. I read that same thing just this month in a magazine does anybody know if this true or not? Thanks Dink
After reading your above post.. I have come to the conculsion that you are the Googel master and don't really know SCHIT about US sniper rifles other than what you glean from an online search...
When I was in Viet Nam, 68-69, my platoon sniper (Recon) had the M 14, except it wasn't called that. As I recall, it had an X prefix since it wasn't official. Later, when I went to the Army Sniper School as a civilian, we and the Army guys in the school, had the M 21 or whatever it was called, an accurized M 14 with a Redfield 3 x 9 ART scope. The instructors preferred the Leatherwood ART scopes, but they weren't being made when I went to the school. This was the same rifle as my Sniper had in Nam, but he had the Leatherwood scope.
The Marine Corps used a Model 70 in 30-06 early on, 66-67. This is what Carlos Haithcock used on his first tour. With a Unertl 12 X scope, which I recall from reading the book about him and the article mentioned on down the page. It was a 2 MOA rifle, according to what his C.O. later wrote in The American Rifleman in an article, I think titled "Marine Snipers." The bore was pitted but it was consistent at 2 MOA. Pictures of era rifles show a heavy barrel and what looks like a floated forend. The scope fogged up and had to be dried out between missions. I believe this, as it was before all the modern stuff we have now.
The Corps later went to Remingtons by 68, I guess, the Army stuck with the M 21s (or whatever) throughout the war, until they also went with the Remingtons.
In 69, my sniper used National Match ammo from Lake City. It was 68 manufacture, the white box with the stars on it. We used the same stuff when I was in sniper instructor school at Ft. Benning. This was about 84 or so.
My "knowledge" is mostly rememberances, and may not be totally accurate. I think I read the Marines used 03A4s in Korea and possibly early in Viet Nam, with the scant stock.
Did the Army and Marine Corps use M-1 Garands, M1C and M1D verisons in Korea or did they also use them in the early days of Viet Nam. I was just wondering about the history of those rifles.
Our arms room had three XM-21s in it, this was '77-'81, 82nd Abn Div., and prior to the adoption of the M24. The scopes were old Redfields. I was our unit armorer for awhile.
I began shooting the M-14 and other rifles at FT Benning in 1968.
Lee, may I ask what your age is?
Surely it's not an intrusive question.
Given Lee has also claimed to be a ROTC student in 1968 and to be assigned to an MTU at the same time. I would suggest that anything he claims is a figment of his imagination so don't hold your breath for an answer.
Ratsmacker, I was a spotter on a sniper team in Grenada, October 25, 1983. Our M-21's were equipped with the Leatherwood ART II scope.
Our rifles were pretty old, but IIRC, they had Redfields on them, or NOT, it WAS thirty years ago, and memory fades. Besides, we didn't see them much, they were locked away in a separate locker, and never saw the light of day.
I don't think they were ever out of the arms room the whole four years I was at Bragg. Even when we sent some guys to the "new" Sniper School MTU had set up, they used their issue M16A1s for that class, which had just got started, at that time.
The Army didn't want to admit anything about snipers at that time, it was a sideshow at best (remember, this was the Carter era).
I'm pretty sure that other arms rooms around the Army had other stuff, too. Our five shotguns were 1200 Winchesters, while other units had Remingtons or Ithacas, or................ We probably just passed by when it was time to get a batch of shotguns, or Winchester had the bid when it was time to buy them. Whatever the case, we had, what we had.
TAF photo from years past with one of the M24's I've carried.
Rgrx1276..
What is your take on the reason for the long action on the m-24?
I took a tour of the AMU at Ft Benning in the spring of 1991. They told me it was so the action could be easily converted to a .300 Win mag for 1,000 yard match use..The loading room at the AMU unit had 55 gal drums FULL of new Winchester .300WM brass. They favored the round for long range mathes at the time and they told me so.
The contract package provided by Remington included a set of match iron sites so I assume the Army wanted the rifles to be mulit purpose rigs once in the system.
Hey Bro, Not trying to give you a hard time on remembering, hell I have enough probs myself. I first paid attention to the M21 at SOTC, Mott Lake, Ft Bragg.
Interesting point here; I was talking with Hart Rifle Barrels last week, and was told that they supply Remington with their barrels for sniper rifle builds. FWIW
My take is they sold the Army on the long action because Remington probably had a ton of them lying around, and saw a good marketing ploy to sell the damn things. They probably mentioned that they could change the M24 over to 300 winmag, and the Army bought into it. It's doubtful the US Army will re chamber and re bolt the M24 as it's being replaced with SR25's from Knight.
The AMU had so much brass because they only used LR match brass once. If they didn't give it away, it has to go somewhere.
I began shooting the M-14 and other rifles at FT Benning in 1968.
Lee, may I ask what your age is?
Surely it's not an intrusive question.
Given Lee has also claimed to be a ROTC student in 1968 and to be assigned to an MTU at the same time. I would suggest that anything he claims is a figment of his imagination so don't hold your breath for an answer.
I will respond to the serious posts and even some of the uninformed ones who think they are capable of playing "gotcha", but aren't.
jim-62, My 1903A3, which I posted to show the same Bishop stock worn by the initial Remington 700s of the Vietnam ( and the .30-06 match rifles used stateside), was "restocked" (from 1903A4 sniper stock). I don't need to use Google, but if you want to believe the postings of some wannabe who was not even born in the 1960s, vs the direct knowledge of myself, go ahead. I can often use Google, NEXIS, or some photo service on the Internet to point you to the original words of others.
I'm glad someone else caught Lee in another lie cause when he first started this thread I noticed the long action rifle too he said was a short.....I felt like if I said anything about it someone would call me an ankle biter.
Since some have not gone back to read my previous posts, I added this to the first one, to hopefully make it more clear about the transition from .30-06 to 7.62x51mm NATO.
----- 1903A4 rifles in Vietnam ----------------------
At the early part of the Vietnam War, 1903A4 Springfield sniper rifles with the M84
telescopic sights were used, same as in the Korean War. There were not enough of
these, which is why you see photos of snipers and sharpshooters with Model 70
Winchester and Remington 700 ADL sporting rifles, usually in .30-06. The 1903A4 rifle
continued to be used into the 1970s.
The training manual is FM 23-10. The technical manual is TM 9-270, dated September 1943. The last revision of the TM 9-270 is Tm 9-1270, dated December 1970.
Most snipers and sharpshooters used an M-14 (if it was really accurate, and some are sub .5 MOA out of the box), but usually the heavy barrel M-21. Some of those later used a wood stock with a high buttlplate, like the FN-FAL, and a pistol grip.
The bolt actions mostly used the Redfield 3-9x40 sight, with the Accu-Trak range-finding reticle. Most of the M-21s used the Leatherwood 3-9x40 ART range-finding scope. But there were M-21s with Redfield scopes, and bolt action rifles with Leatherwood scopes. I still own one of these M-21s, and will take some photos of it up close. I have photos of the scoped M-14 and M-21s in action, and can post those. Some I need to scan.
The M-21 snipers usually worked in 2-man teams in the Army or Marine Corps. The second man, who was doing spotting with a high-power glass and binoculars, carried a bolt action rifle. A lighter rifle is better when carrying that other gear.
The M-21 barrel was stout enough to support the Sionics suppressor, supplied by CIA operator Mitch Werbel.
The M-14 could not shoot the high pressure (65,000 PSI) M-60 ammunition which was most accurate and had the greatest reach, which is another reason for the bolt-action rifles. (See my previous post on the history of the 172/173/175 grain ammunition for both the .30-06 and .308 Winchester).
I still have some of the white box 7.62x51mm NATO ammunition, as well as the machine gun ammunition issued to snipers. Will snap some photos of that stuff, too, and probably put it in the ammunition thread.
You stupid SOB.. if really does not matter WHEN you were born..
You could be the world's oldest man, and you'd still be the liar/dumbass you truly are..
Like I said, liar, niether the Springield pic you posted OR the Accurate Innovations stocked "replica" rifle in the middle pic are even close to the real Remmington supplied M40s. Period.
If you have posted a pick of an Early 1960s m700 short action BDL you would have been a lot closer. E./C Bishop did not have a [bleep] thing to do with designing any USMC sniper stock.
But then, you have had to actually KNOW something about the rifles to realise that, azzhat. You are a without a doubt the BIGGEST loser I have ever seen on any forum..
Tom264, ankle biting is all you can do here. Let this post cover all the other ankle-biters, as well.
Your inability to understand a discussion does not mean the rest of us "lack credibility". You are simply too ignorant to keep up, much less judge us.
If I missed any serious questions by serious posters, I will read back through here and answer those later, with photos and other documentation, if I have time. Some have probably been already covered in other threads. Gotta go Christmas shopping.
jim62, I see you don't have the brains to crawl off when faced with genuine knowledge. You don't know anything about the Bishop stocks used on the 1903A3 and Model 700 long action military rifles in 1966.
If I take a photo of a real rifle in my hands or my shop, you will make some stupid remark about it. If I take a photo at a military museum, you will dismiss that. If I post a photo of a real M-40 or M-24 or M-21 in action, you will dismiss that as "googling". If I scan my photos or manuals, you will claim I "plagarized" them. Stupid insults are all your ilk can "contribute".
This comment applies to a lot of you internet wannabes, current and future posts.
You might want to stay away, because the next set of photos I take and post will be painful to you.
jim62, If I take a photo of a real rifle in my hands or my shop, you will make some stupid remark about it. If I take a photo at a military museum, you will dismiss that. If I post a photo of a real M-40 or M-24 or M-21 in action, you will dismiss that as "googling".
Moron! thats because with all your Lying around here you have ZERO CREDIBILITY!
Most snipers and sharpshooters used an M-14 (if it was really accurate, and some are sub .5 MOA out of the box), but usually the heavy barrel M-21. Some of those later used a wood stock with a high buttlplate, like the FN-FAL, and a pistol grip.
The bolt actions mostly used the Redfield 3-9x40 sight, with the Accu-Trak range-finding reticle. Most of the M-21s used the Leatherwood 3-9x40 ART range-finding scope. But there were M-21s with Redfield scopes, and bolt action rifles with Leatherwood scopes. I still own one of these M-21s, and will take some photos of it up close. I have photos of the scoped M-14 and M-21s in action, and can post those. Some I need to scan.
The M-21 snipers usually worked in 2-man teams in the Army or Marine Corps. The second man, who was doing spotting with a high-power glass and binoculars, carried a bolt action rifle. A lighter rifle is better when carrying that other gear.
The M-21 barrel was stout enough to support the Sionics suppressor, supplied by CIA operator Mitch Werbel.
The M-14 could not shoot the high pressure (65,000 PSI) M-60 ammunition which was most accurate and had the greatest reach, which is another reason for the bolt-action rifles. (See my previous post on the history of the 172/173/175 grain ammunition for both the .30-06 and .308 Winchester).
I still have some of the white box 7.62x51mm NATO ammunition, as well as the machine gun ammunition issued to snipers. Will snap some photos of that stuff, too, and probably put it in the ammunition thread.
Most snipers and sharpshooters used an M-14 (if it was really accurate, and some are sub .5 MOA out of the box), but usually the heavy barrel M-21. Some of those later used a wood stock with a high buttlplate, like the FN-FAL, and a pistol grip.The bolt actions mostly used the Redfield 3-9x40 sight, with the Accu-Trak range-finding reticle. Most of the M-21s used the Leatherwood 3-9x40 ART range-finding scope. But there were M-21s with Redfield scopes, and bolt action rifles with Leatherwood scopes. I still own one of these M-21s, and will take some photos of it up close. I have photos of the scoped M-14 and M-21s in action, and can post those. Some I need to scan.
The M-21 snipers usually worked in 2-man teams in the Army or Marine Corps. The second man, who was doing spotting with a high-power glass and binoculars, carried a bolt action rifle. A lighter rifle is better when carrying that other gear.
The M-21 barrel was stout enough to support the Sionics suppressor, supplied by CIA operator Mitch Werbel.
The M-14 could not shoot the high pressure (65,000 PSI) M-60 ammunition which was most accurate and had the greatest reach, which is another reason for the bolt-action rifles. (See my previous post on the history of the 172/173/175 grain ammunition for both the .30-06 and .308 Winchester).
I still have some of the white box 7.62x51mm NATO ammunition, as well as the machine gun ammunition issued to snipers. Will snap some photos of that stuff, too, and probably put it in the ammunition thread.
1. The M21 did not have a heavy barrel. 2. The high buttplate stock with the pistol grip was used to abate the recoil somewhat so the platform could be used as a squad automatic rifle, not because it was more accurate. 3. M60 ammo is M80 Ball that has been linked, the same stuff used to qualify with when the M14 was first issued.
I know the 2 gentlemen that worked on the project XM21 in Vietnam. Where you got your info, I don't know, but it's mostly wrong. Sorry.
1. The XM21 was a heavy barrel match M-14 rifle built by Rock Island Arsenal for the military. They originally build about 1,400 of them for use in Vietnam. In 1971, it became the M21, and was the primary US Army sniper rifle until 1988.
2. The M14E2 and XM21E2 rifle had the E2 walnut stock with a high butt, dropped comb and pistol grip. It was originally developed to give better recoil control in fully automatic fire, either without the heavy bipod of with one.
3. The ammunition loaded for the M60 machine gun was a larger diameter, .3086, to give good accuracy as the barrel heated and the bore diameter increased during sustained firing. It operates at 65,000 PSI, and was found to give excellent long range accuracy in the match bolt rifles of the 1960s, so it was issued to snipers for their bolt actions.
This is essentially the same 9-degree boattail FMJ bullet developed for the 1919 Browning machine gun in 1926, and used in the 1903A3 and 1903A4 sniper rifles of World War II.
You may be confused about the M80 ball ammunition because the standard M60 proof load for 7.62 NATO ammo had 41 grains of IMR-4475 behind a 172-gr. match-grade bullet producing 67,500 PSI. The same load was used in the M80 ball ammo but had the 148-gr. standard service bullet which produced 50,000 PSI.
3. The ammunition loaded for the M60 machine gun was a larger diameter, .3086, to give good accuracy as the barrel heated and the bore diameter increased during sustained firing. It operates at 65,000 PSI, and was found to give excellent long range accuracy in the match bolt rifles of the 1960s, so it was issued to snipers for their bolt actions.
Oh yeah.
I forgot about the match grade machine gun ammo....
Those machine guns are designed for pinpoint accuracy, and require some highly accurate, mass produced by the millions, bullets...
Don't worry, rgrx1276, I am going to post photos of real XM-21s, M-21s, and my M-21, later this weekend.
I don't know where you got your erroneous information about items 1,2,3 above, but I got mine personally by handling all these weapons, and talking with other officers who used various things, as well as three close friends who were armorers and snipers from 1936, through USMC Pacific Theater, Korea, and Vietnam. Two of them (US Army) are still around, so they can fill in a lot little details for me.
I also visit the military museums, and use the official papers of the various branches, to learn more, and to back up what I say to uninformed skeptics. As I found with my very first posts here, even the direct quotes and citations from USMC sniper development documents would not raise an apology from the web trolls who had called me names.
---- .30 caliber machine gun bullets and ammunition -----------
REPOST from other thread:
The military began using the Sierra 168-grain HPBT Matchking in target competition in 1959, but did not authorize the use of it or the 175-grain HPBT Match bullets for military deployment in peace time or war, until 1980.
Military match shooters had been using the 172-gr FMJ-BT bullets in the 1903 Springfield since 1926. It was used in World War II and Korea. This carried over from the .30-06 to the 7.52x51mm sniper rounds with the use of the M-60 machine gun ammunition.
The 172-gr FMJ BT ammunition for the M-60 machine gun is larger diameter than the standard 145 to 148-gr M80 ball bullets. It was loaded with IMR-4475 behind a 172-gr match-grade FMJ-BT bullet and produced 67,500 psi in a bolt action M-24 or M-40 rifle, or a match M-14 or M-21, which have a tighter bore than the machine gun. This is really way too hot for an M-14 or a .308 Garand. Accuracy is as good as any 168-gr Match ammunition, has more reach, and it was shot in matches from 200 to 1,000 yards, as well as in combat.
Well number 1, I have used a REAL M21. My guess is you haven't. How is that for starters? But whatever.
# 2 Machine gun ammo the most accurate? Damn I didn't know that, it must not have been available to me or any team members. I've shot enough Match, Special Ball, and regular ball to fill several decent sized bins, but I guess you having been to all these, events, where all this knowledge was dispensed puts me in awe of all you know to be fact, and my EXPERIENCE must be flawed.
I actually had the misfortune of carrying the M14 SAW back in ranger school. I didn't realize that I had a match grade sniper rifle in my hands at the time. Oh well, good luck.
It was all 168 gr. LC Match for us. It wasn't hollow point, was boat tail, and ten or twelve years before Lee24's claimed date of 1980.
I don't see why linked MG ammo couldn't be used in an emergency. I thought it was the same 150 gr. bullets regular ball, just linked. It would probably not be match accurate. If you look at an ordnance table for 7.62 NATO ammo, I don't think you'll find any difference in the rounds themselves.
It was pretty easy to bend an operating rod with hot ammo in a M 14, or an M1 for that matter. Which makes me believe it all had the same pressure. The idea of stronger and longer machine gun ammo came out of WW I because of the tactics used there to put plunging fire on an enemy you could see 2000 yards away. AFter WW II, the concept was pretty much dropped.
Rgrx, by the M 14 SAW, I assume you were toting that heavy bastard "Automatic Rifle" with the pistol grip and the bipod. An M 14 that looked like it had "went tactical." I humped one for a while, but not in Ranger school. I shot one in a live fire exercize, and it was accurate, or I was lucky. I was hitting the aperature of a bunker at 700 yards with it, using tracer ammo.
Ive shot out of an M14 Match rifle and an M1A lots of different ammo. 173gr FMJBT Match white box ammo, 168 SMK White box match, 173gr FMJBT Brown Box Special Ball, 175gr SMK M118 LR and M80 Ball. The best Ive seen was 168 white box match, but the occasional lot of Special ball would do close to 1 MOA. M80 Ball would do about 3 MOA. At 700 yards that would equate to approximately a 21" group as far as mechanical accuracy is concerned. Plenty good enough for a bunker, meybe not so good for pinpoint accuracy.
I've shot my personal M1A at 1000 yards at Ft Gordon and won a couple matches with it, but don't consider them to be good 1000 yard guns. I have also heard that you could bend the op rod, but I've never seen it, even when you would hear of some knucklehead using 4350 and 190's or some such foolishness.
Yes, the M14E2 with pistol grip and long sling for waist-level carry was a "bastard", for sure. Not an FN MAG, not a BAR.
I looked up the official US Army records. The orginal XM-21 order to Rock Island Arsenal in 1969 was for 1,435 match grade M-14s. Weight was 11.3 to 11.6 lbs.
An M-14 or M1-A with a heavy barrel and oversized stock weighs 11.25 lbs.
A standard match grade M-14 or M1-A with walnut stock weighs 9.8 lbs.
An M-14 or M1-A with standard USGI walnut stock and barrel weighs 9.3 lbs. All of mine, Winchester and Harrington-Richardson, weighed 9.25 empty, with the magazine.
Standard ammunition is a lot less powerful than the 172-gr M60 ammunition at 65,000 CUP.
3. The ammunition loaded for the M60 machine gun was a larger diameter, .3086, to give good accuracy as the barrel heated and the bore diameter increased during sustained firing. It operates at 65,000 PSI, and was found to give excellent long range accuracy in the match bolt rifles of the 1960s, so it was issued to snipers for their bolt actions.
This is essentially the same 9-degree boattail FMJ bullet developed for the 1919 Browning machine gun in 1926, and used in the 1903A3 and 1903A4 sniper rifles of World War II....
Standard ammunition is a lot less powerful than the 172-gr M60 ammunition at 65,000 CUP.
Now I'm curious...what is the nomenclature of this round? ie. what does the DoD call it?
M 60 ammo I'm familiar with used 150 gr. bullets. Actually, 146 gr. bullets.
The M 118 ammo was for snipers. The designation "M 60" for ammo is a pressure round and not to be used in the M 60 machine gun. Or any gun, except a pressure chamber. Hey, I can google, too.
Most M60 machine gun ammunition was 146-gr M80 ball, 146-gr M62 tracer, or 150.5-gr M61 AP. There was originally the M60 HPT 172-gr ammunition for the machine gun.
The 172-gr M1 ball was developed for the Browning 1919 machinegun in .30-06. When the M60 was originally developed, it was in .30-06. I will post of a photo of one, the TE-162, linked up with this 172-gr ammunition.
The 172-gr carried over to the M60 in 7.62x51mm as the 171.5-gr M60 HPT (HP = high pressure, not "hollow point"), charged with IMR-4475 powder at 67,500 PSI proof pressure. Since the original .30-06 M1 172-gr ball was minimum 2,640 FPS from a bolt action rifle, that was the spec for the combat issue M60 equivalent. Since that is too much pressure for the Garand, it was also too much pressure for the M-14.
The 172-gr M118 Special Ball was the boxed match ammunition loaded with WC-846 or IMR-4895 at 50,000 PSI and 2,640 FPS.
The Lake City M118 7.62mm NATO Match that I have says 173 grs., Velocity 2550.[white box] The powder was changed out and the bullets to the 168 sierra hpbt. These were given to Me by a friend, Who used to shoot High Power. He called them "Mexican Match".
M60 HPT ammo is "High Pressure Test". I've not seen or heard of it issued to the fleet or leg army ever. Google's getting you in trouble.
Btw, since this is the rifle thread, do you think you could post a pic or source of the Wood stocked, M24 Commemorative that you said Remington released recently. I'd like to get one.
I posted a photo of the Remington M40 Commemorative on page 1. If you were serious about owning a replica or commemorative M40, M24, M21 or M14, why don't you contact Remington or Springfield and get up to speed?
Lee24, I'm well aware of the M40 Commemorative. I'm more interested in your claimed Wood Stocked M24 commemorative. I have spoken to Remington. They say it doesn't exist. Why don't you stop posting what you're skimming from Google?
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Lake City M118 7.62mm NATO Match is post 1980, using the 173-gr Sierra bullet.
M118 Special Ball is from the mid 1960s, using the 172-gr FMJBT.
Wrong and wrong.
...and don't forget to explain how M60 HPT (High Presure Test) was used on the battlefield.
1972 Lake City Match ammunition is just what it says: target ammunition, not approved for combat in 1972.
The U.S. military shooting teams were using ammunition with the 168-gr Sierra .308 HPBT match bullets as soon as they came out in 1959, but they were not authorized for military deployment until 1980.
Remington had some civilian sales of the M24 in the late 1970s and to law enforcement and some civilian sales in 1995-1996. If you find one for sale, the first thing to do is check the serial numbers for that date range, then call Remington to verify.
I already explained this in other threads you did not read, or comprehend, wmeek.
Again, you only know a very little, not even enough to be dangerous, just confused. The same applies to ChrisF. You guys are ignorant enough to think that everyone who does know something is "uniformed", because they know more than you do.
...that's funny, I was just thinking the same about you.
wmeek's probably taking you to task for your claim that his ammo should be loaded with a sierra bullet.
I'm taking you to task for your contradictory, disjointed and obviously outsiders uninformed information.
So again, tell us about the Commemorative M24 that Remington tells me is not existent, and how M60 HPT (High Pressure Test) was used in machine guns, then delinked for sniper use?
re-read both your posts and you'll see that you are contradicting yourself......
why so hostile, i'm just looking for clariity - you stated that m118 lc match was post 1980, i have a can made in '72. 'splain it to me, don't get huffy.
I didn't say that 1972 Lake City was loaded with a 168-gr Sierra, you dope. Read it again.
lee24,
there ya go name calling again!
neither did i or chrisf: you said sierra, now you're saying not 168, which is correct, but i'm saying the 173 isn't sierra (i kinda spent time in the sierra factory back then and we would get and test 190's & 200's straight off the machines, and i know who loaded the match ammo with 168's for the amu high power team in the early '70s - care to guess? (hint: it weren't lake city))
Again, you only know a very little, not even enough to be dangerous, just confused. The same applies to ChrisF. You guys are ignorant enough to think that everyone who does know something is "uniformed", because they know more than you do.
Uh, ChrisF holds an NRA High Master card I believe.
Meaning he spends a fair amount of time on the trigger, mingling with others that do, and staying engaged in the real world of shooting.
I'd have to give his word on guns and ammo just a taaaaddddd more credibility than yours Lee.
Let's see, pictures, outfits, creditability. You have it, Lee doesn't. I don't know squat about military rifles but I know how to tell an internet ranger and you're the real thing and Lee isn't. Be safe downrange.
As usual, those of you who know nothing to very little about the thread topic begin posting bogus photos and links, claiming they are me. The only persons impressed by your childish lies are the other childish liars posting similar bogus photos and links.
None of you will be posting any photos or knowledge of your own about this topic; you made that obvious. I'll check back sometime to see if any of the adults come back after your stink leaves.
See my previous post about the evolution of M118 Special BALL ammunition from the 1926 M72 ammunition for the .30-06, using the same M1 bullet, nominally 172 grains, 9-degree boattail FMJ.
As usual, those of you who know nothing to very little about the thread topic begin posting bogus photos and links, claiming they are me. The only persons impressed by your childish lies are the other childish liars posting similar bogus photos and links.
None of you will be posting any photos or knowledge of your own about this topic; you made that obvious. I'll check back sometime to see if any of the adults come back after your stink leaves.
I know owners of tow truck businesses who earn more money than most cardiac surgeons, so maybe some of you should look into that, when you get old enough to drive.
Yes, there are some civilian M-14s out here. CMP, (then DCM) had some checked out and ready to be picked up by those of us on the waiting list when President Clinton ordered their destruction. Some were sold to police and sheriff's departments. Some survived, and may yet be sold through CMP. Most of the M-14s were not selective fire, anyway.
And here is some feedback about Lee's towing business.
"Loud and obnoxious by edrockster at Citysearch
I have no idea if Lee's Towing is good at what they are supposed to do. What I do know is that I was awakened from a deep sleep in the middle of the night by two obnoxious, thuggy acting, loud, drunken sounding tow truck drivers doing something--I'm still not sure what--in the parking lot of my townhouse. When I got the name and number off the side of the tow truck, I called to suggest whatever they are doing should be done more quietly, and the rude person answering the phone suggested I call the Police. I did so, and the disturbers of the peace scampered as fast as they could. I still don't know what they were up to, and I probably would have had no problem with it, if they had only done it more quietly and with respect for people who would be sleeping in the middle of the night. I will never use them.
* Pros: None * Cons: Loud, Obnoxious, Rude
AND THIS IS CLASSIC!
" AVOID LEES!! by mike62 at Citysearch
I Had Lee's Tow my car the other day and it took forever for the drive to get here and when he did he was really dirty and smelled really bad. It also seemed like he didn't know what he was doing and it took him forever to hook my car up. They should really think about washing their trucks and theirself. Very Very bad service!!! I would NEVER use them again!!
Didn't we vow to not do this? Pretend we were above it or something. Got no date tonight (maybe I should be out trolling for desperate chicks), why not f with Lee?
None of you will be posting any photos or knowledge of your own about this topic; you made that obvious. I'll check back sometime to see if any of the adults come back after your stink leaves.
Interesting statement. I've seen personal photo's from these folk that weren't skimmed from public sources. On this thread I count at least two career military snipers, at least three Distinguished Riflemen (and one International Distinguished Shooter) any of which have shot more M72/M118/M852/M118SB/M118LR (but not M60HPT ) than Lee24's probably ever seen in his life. I know there is one collector of Military Match ammo on this thread. ...too bad the unknowing can't man up and admit what he doesn't know, and try to actually learn something from folk that have actually been there and done that (vice just reading about it on the internet.)
With all that alleged experience, none of them contradicted any of the facts I posted. It was all childish, "It ain't so", personal insults, and conjecture to convince yourself that I couldn't possibly be right, even though I can cite official sources for all of it.
Merely shooting a rifle, or handling a rifle, does not suddenly make you knowledgeable about the history of how they evolved. That is obvious from your posts. My wife is a good driver, but she knows better than to argue with automotive engineers who worked on her car. You need to learn that.
Intelligent people, when confronted with new facts in a subject that interests them, are motivated to research and learn more. The less intelligent merely become defensive and sullen. I hope you are motivated to learn more about your hobby.
People on this forum correct your posts because MOST of them are so full of lies and incorrect "facts".
Just because they actually CALL you on your lies(lot's of which are on this very thread ),it sure as hell does not make them less intelligent than you.
What a pathetic, delusional and ignorant wanker you are.
Also, you have a hell of a lot of nerve posting such drivel as this thread on the "ask the gunwriters" forum.
You are neither asking any writer a question, NOR are you contributing any real facts to this forum. It's just more of your lame "googlerama" along with your usual delusional defense of your terribly inaccurate posts.
It's right up there with your claim to have a SC stamped .375 m70 Winchester..Ha, Ha, ha.
Score another one for our very own "Barron Von Munchhausen"- Lee24
---- M-14 and M-21 rifles -------------------- The M-21 snipers usually worked in 2-man teams in the Army or Marine Corps. The second man, who was doing spotting with a high-power glass and binoculars, carried a bolt action rifle. A lighter rifle is better when carrying that other gear.
I was not born till the 70s but can only recall what I have read about snipers in the Vietnam era and this is the first time I have ever heard that the spotter carried a bolt gun. I thought I recalled in 93 confirmed kills Carlos choose the bolt gun and specifically said the spotter and backup man carried an open sight M-14 for the increased firepower if they bumped into something at closer ranges.
Sean has a pic of the REAL Lee24. He showed up at Caryonah as an uninvited guest last week, and Sean managed to get a pic before he was laughed out of camp.
Sean has a pic of the REAL Lee24. He showed up at Caryonah as an uninvited guest last week, and Sean managed to get a pic before he was laughed out of camp.
WAIT A MINUTE!!!I missed this! Lee showed up at Caryonah? Presumably without the mythical .375 (which Winchester will be making soon).... And we have a picture of who this character actually is? Don't hold out on us man.
We used to have a guy at work like Lee24. You could bring up virtually any subject, but military/"special ops" topics were best; he would immediately start on a long detailed story about his adventures. He was apparently in every branch of the military, as well as every alphabet soup intelligence organization. He did all of this before putting in nearly 40 years with our company! Our nickname for him was "Columbus' Cabin Boy", as he had to have been around since 1492 in order to have done all that he claimed!
He reminds me of that character from the Red Green show.Can't remember his name but everytime Red visits, he goes on a rampage of bs that'll make you laugh till it hurts.
We used to have a guy like Lee in our town who would stop by the PD from time to time to chat with the Chief. On his last visit he told the boss that he was in fact the illegitimate son of King David. We started the commitment papers and he now is a resident of the Mid Hudson Psychiatric Hospital in NYS.
Yes, there are some civilian M-14s out here. CMP, (then DCM) had some checked out and ready to be picked up by those of us on the waiting list when President Clinton ordered their destruction. Some were sold to police and sheriff's departments. Some survived, and may yet be sold through CMP. Most of the M-14s were not selective fire, anyway.
M 14s are Class III firearms and will never be sold to the public. Nor have they been destroyed. They were warehoused and are now being sent to Iraq and Afghanistan.
M 14s ae capable of fully auto fire by use of a selector key, (this fact means they can't be sold to civilians) which the squad leader was supposed to carry. They are either full or semi, but not select fire by the rifleman. The E2 version may have had a select switch, can't remember. It was a poor automatic rifle, even with the hand grip attached to the sling attached to the bipod to try to hold it down.
He reminds me of that character from the Red Green show.Can't remember his name but everytime Red visits, he goes on a rampage of bs that'll make you laugh till it hurts.
That would be Hap Shaughnessy, although I may have mispelled the name......d:^)
The M-14 was designed to be primarily a semi-automatic battle rifle like the M-1 Garand. It had a selector switch to provide the option of fully automatic fire, but most of those issued were semi-automatic only. The M-21 rifles had the selector welded to disable automatic fire, as did those moved through the DCM for civilian and law enforcement sales. Those which were permanently disabled to semi-automatic fire only are Class I weapons, but since there were manufactured in the 1960s and 1970s, they do not fall under the restriction on civilian ownership of post 1986 Class III weapons.
I had already received a post card from the DCM to pick up my M-14 when President Clinton ordered them destroyed. 479,367 M-14 rifles were destroyed by his executive order, according to the DCM, according to the record I saved at the time. It may have been more before it ended. The NRA could tell you, if someone wants to ask them for their number. 480,000 destroyed would still leave at least that many in good working condition somewhere.
With you folks being so ignorant in so many subjects, it is handy for you to have generic insults and visual props that you can use over and over in many threads, and other web sites, attacking many different people.
While we are discussing military sniper rifles, I have a question for the gallery. After my first deer hunting trip to North Carolina, I came home wanting a long range hunting rifle. I met a young gunsmith from Finland that suggesed a Wimbledon Cup rifle. I was 19 and impressed with the project and said to go for it. I used a pre-64 (modern run) action, a Winchester Marksman stock and a heavy Shilen barrel chambered for .30-.338. I've had the opportunity to shoot deer with it for 18 years and I've always been impressed with it. It weighs about 14 pounds, which most folks can't get past.
I've got to wonder what the Marines have used for rifles, because it would make sense to train with what you take to the field. All the rifles I've seen have been shorter stocked, shorter barreled. I never see American soldiers with rifles having big McMillan A5 style stocks like you see on the .338 Lapua rifles. Does it sound like I have a typical Wimbledon Cup rifle? Do soldiers compete with rifles similar to what they carry?
who do you think gave the nascar boys the idea of doin' their burnouts (maybe someone should check the patent/copyright [as in invention] records?????)
I had already received a post card from the DCM to pick up my M-14 when President Clinton ordered them destroyed.
Lee, this is your big chance. I'm sure that you have kept that very important document somewhere safe.
Just go get it, take a photo, and post the photo on this thread to prove all your disbelievers wrong.
If you have time during your current project (probably the redesign of the universe, because (according to your posts on this site) you have done everything else), post a pic of the your .375 as well.
There are a lot of mistakes on a History channel show about snipers tonight. So far they have show some sort of Savage rifle that was described as a Remington M40, then they used a Red Dot scope as the target when duplicating the famous through the scope antisniper shot of Carlos Hathcock.
Lee, I've never attacked you personally, always felt your approach to the truth was something you couldn't help. However, I've more than a passing familiarity with the M 14, having qualified on it several times, even the E2 model. I think you need to google more on the weapon, and perhaps on Class III weapons.
I didn't say that 1972 Lake City was loaded with a 168-gr Sierra, you dope. Read it again.
ODCMP was recently selling some of this. Buy some before posting about it.
I never said you claimed "1972 Lake City was loaded with a 168-gr Sierra".But you did say in post 3588669;
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Lake City M118 7.62mm NATO Match is post 1980, using the 173-gr Sierra bullet.
...which is incorrect. It's a 173 FMJ made by LC not Sierra. and in the same post you also said;
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M118 Special Ball is from the mid 1960s, using the 172-gr FMJBT.
...which is also incorrect. M118 Match was produced during the 1960's and 70's. M118 Special Ball is from the 90's.
Don't worry all is not lost...you did offer some advice of value...
While I won't hitting up the CMP for their surplus ammo, I've decided I really don't have enough, and I'm appealing to Santa to draw some from the magazine and deliver it when he stops by this week.
Yes, I made a typo error with "173-gr Sierra". If you had read my earlier posts, about the evolution of the M118 round from the M72 .30-06 round, you would know that I had already posted the correct bullets, case and powder load for all those rounds.
And you would know better than try to play "gotcha". You obviously don't have the direct knowledge of much of the subject matter, only about a few loads you have seen or shot. Most people don't, either, which is why I have described many more that you do not even know existed. I have shot all those rounds, and others I have not mentioned (neither have any of you armchair "experts"), and still have samples, boxes, cans and linked belts of most of them.
When replying to your posts, GOTCHA is required.. They are so RIDDLED with made up facts(lies) and B.S .we all have to.You are so [bleep] ignorant, you can even google up the right pics!
You seriously NEED to go an play in the street with the OTHER children because you sure as hell cannot hang with the adults on this forum ,chief.
Just look at that first post of yours- pics of inaccurate configured "replica" rifles like the Sniper Central "maketing excercise" being passed of as "origionals' and MADE UP "facts" on your part about Bishop designing Remingon Stocks..
You are a WORLD CLASS DIPSCHIT ,Lee24. And a lying jackass to boot.
jim62, you have not brought one bit of factual information to this discussion, so you are at the bottom of the totem pole, below ground level. Your comments are generic.
I believe that Lee24 is a chimera. I believe that either his sense of humor(?)or something else about him causes him to either enjoy or need getting everyone's hackles up. I believe that what he posts is specifically intended to have exactly the effect seen on this thread, and others. I believe that our skeptical and often angry posts are his thrills.
jim62, you have not brought one bit of factual information to this discussion, so you are at the bottom of the totem pole, below ground level. Your comments are generic.
Really?
Go back and look at my first reply to this pathetic thread....
Your middle picture is one of an historically INNACCURATE "replica" of a m40.
Your asserion that EC BISHOP EVER had ANYHTING to do with the design of a factory made Remington stock is a pure LIE- it's fantasy.
Lee, you are gutless jerkoff and a moron. Your mother MUST have done drugs when she carried you during pregnancy, because you are ONE brain dead idiot.
I believe that Lee24 is a chimera. I believe that either his sense of humor(?)or something else about him causes him to either enjoy or need getting everyone's hackles up. I believe that what he posts is specifically intended to have exactly the effect seen on this thread, and others. I believe that our skeptical and often angry posts are his thrills.
W,
You are giving the moron TOO much credit. He puts TOO much work into his "informative posts" made up of googled up "facts" trying to hide his lack of real knowledge on any subject...
He is just an intellectually insecure internet JERKOFF.
EC Bishop stocks were used on 1903A3 Springfield rifles used in competition and training by the US Army and the USMC. I posted a photo of one of them, which I now own. It orginally had an M84 telescopic sight mounted on it, in a Redfield base and ring set.
The stocks on the early 7.62x51mm Model 700 rifles supplied to the military for training, match shooting, and combat use in Vietnam, employed a walnut stock of the same design, weight, length of pull, pitch, drop at heel, drop and comb, aluminum buttplate, and grip as the Bishop stock on those 1903A3 Springfield .30-06 rifles of the same era.
Some of the uninformed may choose to believe that is a coincidence, but I do not think it is.
I just kind of skimmed through but if I may paraphrase:
Lee is actually arguing with an active duty US military sniper currently deployed to Afghanistan about what rifles/ammunition said serviceman may have utilized in his duties (?)
I haven't decided is Lee is an alter-ego of someone here or a supertroll but, either way, the lack of respect shown a deployed serviceman is disturbing to me*.
* sure,it might be providing some much needed comic relieve for the guy but still...
[quote=Lee24] My wife is a good driver, but she knows better than to argue with automotive engineers who worked on her car.
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If I wanted to get involved with this, I'd say something about "opposites attract" but I don't so I won't...
Same automotive engineers that designed a vette motor that has to be lifted off the motor mounts to change 2 spark plugs??
Anyway talking of "catching" ya... yep you posted about powder charges on loads when ANYONE that knows anything about military ammo knows its loaded by pressure specs and to quote a specific powder charge is ignorant since each lot will vary in the amount of powder in the case....
The stocks on the early 7.62x51mm Model 700 rifles supplied to the military for training, match shooting, and combat use in Vietnam, employed a walnut stock of the same design, weight, length of pull, pitch, drop at heel, drop and comb, aluminum buttplate, and grip as the Bishop stock on those 1903A3 Springfield .30-06 rifles of the same era.
THAT IS BULLSHIT.
Beside being STUPID you are BLIND.
Like I said in my first post here- that EC Bishop stock is NOTHING like the early Remignton made m40 stocks. Period.
The only thing they have in common is they are right handed monte carlos.
You truly are ONE STUPID MF'er. And a Lying POS to boot.
With all that alleged experience, none of them contradicted any of the facts I posted. It was all childish, "It ain't so", personal insults, and conjecture to convince yourself that I couldn't possibly be right, even though I can cite official sources for all of it.
Merely shooting a rifle, or handling a rifle, does not suddenly make you knowledgeable about the history of how they evolved. That is obvious from your posts. My wife is a good driver, but she knows better than to argue with automotive engineers who worked on her car. You need to learn that.
Intelligent people, when confronted with new facts in a subject that interests them, are motivated to research and learn more. The less intelligent merely become defensive and sullen. I hope you are motivated to learn more about your hobby.
"Intelligent people, when confronted with new facts in a subject that interests them, are motivated to research and learn more. The less intelligent merely become defensive and sullen. I hope you are motivated to learn more about your hobby. '
Yeah, Liar24, and folks SMARTER THAN YOU call you on you LIES and BULLSCHIT.
Nothing defensive about it. They don't like a lying ,arrogant POS like YOU taking up space here.
Why are you so angry and frustrated over new facts put in front of you? If that upsets you, don't read it. Certainly don't fly into a childish fit or insults and name-calling.
I feel sorry for some of you that are so ignorant that you think you "contradicted" my posts with your inaccurate web rumors.
I back up all my direct experience with references to military part numbers, NSN numbers, official documents, and military officers and historians.
Some of you seem to think that the more I substantiate a fact, the less "believable" it becomes to you. I don't operate on beliefs, but on reality. When I state my opinion or some expert's opinions, I let it be known that it is opinion, for those of you who struggle with the differences among undisputable facts, expert opinion, and your beliefs.
My wife is a good driver, but she knows better than to argue with automotive engineers who worked on her car.
my wife aint a mechanic but ive watched her school mechanics that were supposed to know what they were doing....had them tell us for 4 months the transmission wasnt going out on our truck....my wife said it was, they thought she was a stupid girl that didnt know what the [bleep] she was talking about....shoulda seen the look on their faces when she insisted they take the transmission off and look and broken parts started falling off the transmission they kept telling her was perfectly fine....they dont argue with her anymore
Lee you have argued with me over how i run my papers, you have argued with all kinds of others over how they do their job and on details they deal with day to day....in every case you have been schooled and sit and pout and whine that we are idiots.....now your arguing with ppl who been there done that on sniper rifles when you claim you know better cause you read it somewhere....Lee your a [bleep] moron but apparently you are the only one that cant see it....
What's your "theory" or "belief" on why the early 1966 Remington 700s supplied to the military for Vietnam sniper use have the same stock design as the Bishop stocks on the military 1903A3 Springfield rifles of the same era?
Coincidence?
I am dying to hear the explanation from someone like yourself, who was totally unaware of the stocks similarities until I posted the photos. But I know how quickly you web jockeys become experts on everything you hate.
rattler, I never argued with you about how you run your papers. I don't know anything about your business, and you know nothing about mine.
I did explain the law of libel to you, as I remember it from making an 'A' in Torts in law school. But your misunderstanding of that subject has no bearing on your misunderstanding of this subject, nor of automotive engineering. Please refrain from clogging up the thread with your wounded ego.
I am not arguing with anyone. I am discussing this topic with those who actually have some direct knowledge or are interested, correcting those who have misunderstandings and maybe a some limited experience, and dismissing the trolls like yourself who only bring insults and bunk to the hijack the discussion.
do seem to remember you telling me ive got some sort of stash of cash to fight said libel lawsuits.....would really like to know where that money is cause i could really use a new 10x14 press....you told me in bout 5 separate posts that ive got this lump of cash somewhere and ill be damned if i can find it....
You will have to wait for lee to come back in a bit. He is out doing his iron man work out and 100 dumbell rows to loosen up for his next marathon google secession.
Seriously Rick has to be in on this to let it continue to 50 pages of crap everytime he starts a post. I believe CAS said it best years ago. "Lee is there anything your not an expert on?"
You will have to wait for lee to come back in a bit. He is out doing his iron man work out and 100 dumbell rows to loosen up for his next marathon google secession.
More like the nurse gave him his meds and put him down for a noon time nap. After that is group therapy...
UTL, I have a guess that L24 is an alter-ego/s**t stirrer for someone that posts a lot. Don't know this for a fact, but I've never met someone in real life that seems to know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING, but has so many mistakes that are obvious.
I've been around a bit, including have met certifiable crazy people with papers to prove it. But I have never met someone like the 24 dude.
Have to disagree on Rick (but not on the rest of your post). Just because he doesn't pull the plug on someone for being an idiot doesn't mean he's in on it. You have to go a long ways to get tossed from here. It's actually something I like about this place. I think he's happy to let people do what they like here as long as they don't cross certain abusive lines. He's simply learned to ignore folks he may not want to listen to. Not a bad skill to have
Folks like Lee24 at least provide some entertainment if taken in context. I just hope some of the "newbies" here and in the shooting world can discern who to listen to and who to ignore.
You don't get it, do you Steve? The 24 hour tow truck gig is just a way to ensure that he's always first on the scene of an accident. Look at the property damage and personal injury potential.
Almost any normal person would be an expert on any subject, compared to you trolls who post only insults.
I agree completely with the first part but not on every subject that has ever been mentioned with so little proof to back anything up. I consider myself a fair shot but it is easy enough to look at my score cards from a match to see how Im doing (good or bad). I never served in any of the armed forces but I think if I had been on the AMU I would be very proud of it and more than happy to have someone confirm it. Heck even if it is you running a 24hour tow service and your making good money and running a good business I would be proud of that.
I posted the military part numbers, NSN numbers, manual numbers, and other military documentation, as well as current links to active military units and training which the know-nothings said did not exist. I posted photos with dates, locations, and credits that can be verified.
Anyone still in denial of what the U.S. military has published must have mental problems.
Steve, why don't you start a General Topics thread about libel and slander?
Who would bother to read it? Only your same troll buddies. What would you do, insult each other?
You get more attention by posting any nonsense on the tail end of my high-content threads. All you want is attention.
you really dont get it do you, you are the ONLY one on this site that thinks you posts are worth a chit.....you are this sites village idiot.....i have yet to see a single person come to your defense....why dont you do everyone a favor and go find some other sandbox to play in.....
.....you are this sites village idiot.....i have yet to see a single person come to your defense....why dont you do everyone a favor and go find some other sandbox to play in.....
Don't run him off!
His stuff is SO ridiculous (and predictable) that it's fun to watch.
Some posters get my blood pressure up. This guy is just plain amusing to watch!
Heck I was being kind and offering him a chance to let someone confirm he was on the AMU. I know I would be damn proud of that and have at least one photo of me in a team picture someplace. Im sure not everyone associated to the unit in 1968 was killed on a secret mission in an unnamed country.
By the way Lee I finally did the 100lb dumbell rows (I usually use 54lb kettlebell for stuff like that)and only managed 5 reps before my form became worthless, the gym did not even have the 120lb you use on your heavy days. If your 25 years older, 30 pounds lighter than me and use the 100lbs on your light days you are an animal. I will take my mere 335lb bench press and go hide if you actually show up someplace.
Kettlebells...hmmm..tempting threadjack. They have made a comeback in the last few years. Don't need as many different weights of them as you do dumbells to get a good, and different workout. Worked for George Hackenschmidt and Eugene Sandow, but they had genes going for them, too.
I just refuse to believe anyone as smart as Lee would have to be, to know as much as he knows, would be here arguing on the internet instead of building nuclear reactors.
I'm not sure anyone knows. I'm guessing though, that Lee and God were childhood buddies. Lee would give tips and pointers to little God and they would play games together. No matter how many points Lee would spot God, God always came in second. Frustrating times for God.
I'm guessing though, that Lee and God were childhood buddies. Lee would give tips and pointers to little God and they would play games together. No matter how many points Lee would spot God, God always came in second. Frustrating times for God.
The Military Channel just had a promo for a special on Sapper School. Seeing how Lee is an engineer and tougher than John J. Rambo he probibly trained the Sapper School instructors during his lunch breaks while training the Sniper School instructors. Luckiely neither of these additional duties took away from his ROTC field trip to the AMU before they promoted him to TAG of the SC National Guard. Unfortunately the Congress (being full of cowards) would not give him his Fed Req so he was demoted to E4 for the past 41 years. Luckily he has the number one PT score for his age in the US Military.
Greatfully to the creator (lee?) I am smart enough to understand his brillance, so complete admoration is a given.
My 1903A3, which I posted to show the same Bishop stock worn by the initial Remington 700s of the Vietnam ( and the .30-06 match rifles used stateside), was "restocked" (from 1903A4 sniper stock). I don't need to use Google, but if you want to believe the postings of some wannabe who was not even born in the 1960s, vs the direct knowledge of myself, go ahead. I can often use Google, NEXIS, or some photo service on the Internet to point you to the original words of others.
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EC Bishop stocks were used on 1903A3 Springfield rifles used in competition and training by the US Army and the USMC. I posted a photo of one of them, which I now own. It orginally had an M84 telescopic sight mounted on it, in a Redfield base and ring set.
Let me understand this correctly. That Springfield on the first first page was an A3 that was stocked as an A4 AND scoped with an M84, which was then restocked with a Bishop Sporter stock?
That Bishop stock looks like any number of Monte Carlo stocks that were being produced back in the 1960's. The standard Remington Monte Carlo stocks are a closer match to the M40 pattern (sans checkering, grip and fore end caps, and shiny finish).
Here's what Senich said about the Remington records of the M40 stocks;
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The walnut stock, a sporter-type with an integral cheek rest (Monte Carlo style with cheekpiece), was described by Remington as a "ADL type for 5-round BDL-type magazine, no fore end tip or grip cap, 13-3/8 inch length of pull (factory standard), no checkering, non-detachable swivels, oil finish"
My 1903A3, which I posted to show the same Bishop stock worn by the initial Remington 700s of the Vietnam ( and the .30-06 match rifles used stateside), was "restocked" (from 1903A4 sniper stock). I don't need to use Google, but if you want to believe the postings of some wannabe who was not even born in the 1960s, vs the direct knowledge of myself, go ahead. I can often use Google, NEXIS, or some photo service on the Internet to point you to the original words of others.
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EC Bishop stocks were used on 1903A3 Springfield rifles used in competition and training by the US Army and the USMC. I posted a photo of one of them, which I now own. It orginally had an M84 telescopic sight mounted on it, in a Redfield base and ring set.
Let me understand this correctly. That Springfield on the first first page was an A3 that was stocked as an A4 AND scoped with an M84, which was then restocked with a Bishop Sporter stock?
That Bishop stock looks like any number of Monte Carlo stocks that were being produced back in the 1960's. The standard Remington Monte Carlo stocks are a closer match to the M40 pattern (sans checkering, grip and fore end caps, and shiny finish).
Chris, you are exactly right. And anyone who has actually examined and handled an early m40 and 1960s BDL/ADL rifles knows that..Or, a person with reasoanably good eyesight could even see it from pics..
But in the "Bizzaro world" of the blind, brazzen liars like Lee24-these two stocks are IDENTICAL.. Just like Black and White are the same color..
Wow those are identical in every way, well at least they both appear to be made of walnut so of course they are identical.
And he is all pissy with me because I brought up a kettlebell but a few weeks ago he did not know what they were but Im sure he is now an expert on them as well as other unconventional workouts.
well you know good and well there would be team photos as you've said. Heck wife and I have team photos of every state team/local team we ever shot on.... and would damn sure have em if on AMU...
jim62, you are down to just making bunk up. You know nothing about this subject.
My 1903A3 with the Bishop stock belonged to the USMC, and is not drilled an tapped for iron sights. The comb is too high for the stardard military iron sights. It is drilled and tapped for a one-piece Redfield base and ring set, and had an M84 scope sight mounted on it.
Were you given any provenance that this rifle came from the USMC? It looks like any other sporterized Springfield of a past era, and if it were sold, would probably be priced as such without documentation.
jim62, you are down to just making bunk up. You know nothing about this subject.
My 1903A3 with the Bishop stock belonged to the USMC, and is not drilled an tapped for iron sights. The comb is too high for the stardard military iron sights. It is drilled and tapped for a one-piece Redfield base and ring set, and had an M84 scope sight mounted on it.
Coming from a KNOWN Liar such as yourself.. gee ,that really hurts my feelings.
I'm not sure anyone knows. I'm guessing though, that Lee and God were childhood buddies. Lee would give tips and pointers to little God and they would play games together. No matter how many points Lee would spot God, God always came in second. Frustrating times for God.
1flier
Poor God, having to stand in the shadow of the "Great One".
Gentlemen Liar24 obviously has some serious mental health issues by any measure. Anybody who has been caught so many times lying by so many people has the reputation of a Village Idiot, obviously ZERO self-respect, yet keeps coming back for more, has GOT to be three fries short of a Happy Meal. On the other hand if his posts are crafted to incite this level of trolling then he is a sociopath. Somebody needs to find where this guy lives and notify either his family or the nut-house where he resides to him some help. Until then we'll continue launching insults at his pathetic internet persona. jorge
Were you given any provenance that this rifle came from the USMC? It looks like any other sporterized Springfield of a past era, and if it were sold, would probably be priced as such without documentation.
it is obviously just that....a plain jane sporterized Springfield, but in the fertile imagination of Our Lee it becomes a gin-you-wine USMC sniper rifle. That's how his life works....
Well as entertaining as it is I hope lee is at least using all of these desinigrating threads as the basis of a self help book or a good novel. His ability to throw out a red flag and disappear like it never happened is amazing. I truely believe he thinks he has the jedi mind trick mastered.
"ChrisF you are seeing an original rifle from the USMC, do not defy the power of the dark side".
Also, I admit ingnorance on it but with the inservice rivalry of USMC and the army is it a little odd that an army guy would know so much about or collect USMC equipment? If I was on the AMU Im sure I would probably have a matching copy of my issued/competition rifle stashed away someplace. Heck I think I even have a picture of me merely setting steel at a local match, let alone some evidence of being one of the better shooters in the land.
I just refuse to believe anyone as smart as Lee would have to be, to know as much as he knows, would be here arguing on the internet instead of building nuclear reactors.
It's just that he has designed/engineered/built/supervised the construction of so many of them, that he now delegates those sorts of menial tasks to his flock of understudies.
Kettlebells...hmmm..tempting threadjack. They have made a comeback in the last few years. Don't need as many different weights of them as you do dumbells to get a good, and different workout. Worked for George Hackenschmidt and Eugene Sandow, but they had genes going for them, too.
"Still not convinced? Let me throw a little proof at you in the form of a couple of classic physiques that the vast majority of the population would gladly trade for if they could, George Hackenschmidt and Eugene Sandow, both built using kettlebells and a lot of hard work"
The quote I provided is from a google hit for kettlebells, an exercise circuit called "Kettlebell fat loss unleased". Weird how Lee managed to mention the two best known names and the advantages they provide, pretty impressive google-fu Lee, I think you might be a match for my six year old. Even better that the master of the threadjack would toss that back onto me. I just did not want to repollute the thread in the backpacking section.
From Senich: The walnut stock, a sporter-type with an integral cheek rest (Monte Carlo style with cheekpiece), was described by Remington as a "ADL type for 5-round BDL-type magazine, no fore end tip or grip cap, 13-3/8 inch length of pull (factory standard), no checkering, non-detachable swivels, oil finish"
Lee24, since you've posted after I've shared the above, and haven't commented, I'll assume that you're accepting that your "theory" that Bishop stocks was the source of the M40 pattern stock as very likely wrong. I'll point out the obvious differences if you promise not to pout.
No Chris that is just what he does. He will scream and cry that what he presents are the facts and as soon as someone drops something contrary right in his lap he will ignore it and either leave the thread of complain that nobody else on the planet has the correct information but him.
Notice how he got all wound up on kettlebell without ever addressing the issue of the photos he was going to post last weekend, the issue of what ranges he shot at Ft. Benning or photos of him being associated to the AMU? It is his typical cut and run strategy. Look for him to just pop up on another thread and pretend this one never existed.
Why don't you post a photo of a 1999 military Model 700 with a plastic McMillan stock, as more of your demented "proof" that the Vietnam era M700 sniper rifles in 7.62x51mm did not evolve from the 1903A3 rifles with commercial heavy walnut target stocks, and from the Model 700 ADL sporter rifles in .30-06 and .308 being used in the mid 1960s in Vietnam?
By the way, I have owned kettlebells since 1970.
I don't doubt that any search engine looking for "kettlebells" would find them associated with the old time strong men who used them. I think Hackenschmidt even wrote a book on kettlebell exercises. Maher, too. Anyone who lifted much serious weight prior to the 1970s would know who Hackenschmidt, Sandow, Arnold Strong, Maher and others were. You youngsters and couch potatoes have to read up on the Internet.
What is the Difference Between a Pathological, a Compulsive, a Chronic, and a Habitual Liar? Pathological Liar
A pathological liar is usually defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little concern for others. Pathological lying is often viewed as coping mechanism developed in early childhood and it is often associated with some other type of mental health disorder. A pathological liar is often goal-oriented (i.e., lying is focused - it is done to get one's way). Pathological liars have little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others. A pathological liar often comes across as being manipulative, cunning and self-centered.
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A compulsive liar is defined as someone who lies out of habit. Lying is their normal and reflexive way of responding to questions. Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small. For a compulsive liar, telling the truth is very awkward and uncomfortable while lying feels right. Compulsive lying is usually thought to develop in early childhood, due to being placed in an environment where lying was necessary. For the most part, compulsive liars are not overly manipulative and cunning (see, Pathological Liar), rather they simply lie out of habit - an automatic response which is hard to break and one that takes its toll on a relationship (see, how to cope with a compulsive liar).
...did not evolve from the 1903A3 rifles with commercial heavy walnut target stocks, and from the Model 700 ADL sporter rifles in .30-06 and .308 being used in the mid 1960s in Vietnam?
so are you now agreeing with us that the M40 was just a product extension by Remington of the M700 ADL/BDL stock pattern?
Why don't you post a photo of a 1999 military Model 700 with a plastic McMillan stock, as more of your demented "proof" that the Vietnam era M700 sniper rifles in 7.62x51mm did not evolve from the 1903A3 rifles with commercial heavy walnut target stocks, and from the Model 700 ADL sporter rifles in .30-06 and .308 being used in the mid 1960s in Vietnam?
fluff,
why don't you post a photo of your south carolina .375h&h?? or answer questions re your amu experience??? hmmmmm??
From 12/23/09: I'll get around to it when I feel like it, kid. I am not posting them for punks, anyway, just for those with a serious interest.
Originally Posted by Lee24
From 12/20/09: Intelligent people, when confronted with new facts in a subject that interests them, are motivated to research and learn more. The less intelligent merely become defensive and sullen.
ChrisF, you haven't posted any of substance for anyone to "agree with", so stop the childish rhetorical games. If you want to post something you really think is real history, go ahead and maybe it will be worthy of discussion... maybe not.
This is my thread, and I should be keeping it on track by not responding to disrupters.
ChrisF, you haven't posted any of substance for anyone to "agree with", so stop the childish rhetorical games. If you want to post something you really think is real history, go ahead and maybe it will be worthy of discussion... maybe not.
This is my thread, and I should be keeping it on track by not responding to disrupters.
Its my party and I'll cry if I want to . . . . . .
Instead of attacking people for not liking your thread why don't you send the pictures to me like I asked. i am trying to learn something here and would really like the pictures you speak of.
You are complaining about people not taking your thread seriously but, when someone wants to engage in a conversation with you directly related to the topic you dodge them.
Okay Lee24...I'll play for a little bit. Do you care to comment on Senich's quote from Remington on the origin's of the M40 stock? This seems to refute your claim of the Bishop MonteCarlo Sporter pattern as the basis.
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The walnut stock, a sporter-type with an integral cheek rest (Monte Carlo style with cheekpiece), was described by Remington as a "ADL type for 5-round BDL-type magazine, no fore end tip or grip cap, 13-3/8 inch length of pull (factory standard), no checkering, non-detachable swivels, oil finish"
I'll get around to it when I feel like it, kid. I am not posting them for punks, anyway, just for those with a serious interest.
whatsamatta? your google broken?
If I recall wasnt that the same excuse for the infamous .375 thread? First it was not owning a digital camera and then we were deemed not worth and therefore he successfully deflected the issue. Shoot all I was doing was trying to see the AMU pictures and brought up the kettlebells cause I was getting bored. Im glad to see he has gotten "his thread" under control.
I'll get around to it when I feel like it, kid. I am not posting them for punks, anyway, just for those with a serious interest.
whatsamatta? your google broken?
If I recall wasnt that the same excuse for the infamous .375 thread? First it was not owning a digital camera and then we were deemed not worth and therefore he successfully deflected the issue. Shoot all I was doing was trying to see the AMU pictures and brought up the kettlebells cause I was getting bored. Im glad to see he has gotten "his thread" under control.
Gentlemen Liar24 obviously has some serious mental health issues by any measure. Anybody who has been caught so many times lying by so many people has the reputation of a Village Idiot, obviously ZERO self-respect, yet keeps coming back for more, has GOT to be three fries short of a Happy Meal. On the other hand if his posts are crafted to incite this level of trolling then he is a sociopath. Somebody needs to find where this guy lives and notify either his family or the nut-house where he resides to him some help. Until then we'll continue launching insults at his pathetic internet persona. jorge
This is probably the best summation of Lee24 that we've had so far (Jorge must be a psychologist as well as airplane driver!).
Jorge - I can't figure out for the life of me why he keeps coming back for more, but you've got to admit that he is a glutton for punishment (and he gives us much enjoyment)!
Come on Lee your getting slow. I will make you a deal. Give me one easy photo of your kettlebells with a note reading something like "varmintsinc can kiss my azz" and I will never interrupt your thread again.
1. The XM21 was a heavy barrel match M-14 rifle built by Rock Island Arsenal for the military. They originally build about 1,400 of them for use in Vietnam. In 1971, it became the M21, and was the primary US Army sniper rifle until 1988.
The M-21 did not have a heavy barrel. It was only an M-14 that exhibited better than usual accuracy over other M-14's and was then selected to become an M-21. The selector was removed and a scope mounted. A cammed Redfield scope was mounted on the one I had. If I recall correctly the cammed scope permited accurate fire between 300 and 600 meters.
1. The XM21 was a heavy barrel match M-14 rifle built by Rock Island Arsenal for the military. They originally build about 1,400 of them for use in Vietnam. In 1971, it became the M21, and was the primary US Army sniper rifle until 1988.
The M-21 did not have a heavy barrel. It was only an M-14 that exhibited better than usual accuracy over other M-14's and was then selected to become an M-21. The selector was removed and a scope mounted. A cammed Redfield scope was mounted on the one I had. If I recall correctly the cammed scope permited accurate fire between 300 and 600 meters.
The m21's that were our issue in the late 80's were manufactured at the rock island arsenal. They had the same barrel profile as a my national match M1A (I think that it was the same weight as an issue m14 barrel, but I only held a issue m14 for a day or two in ranger school) the rifles were glass bedded and easily MOA or better rifles.
The scopes were Leatherwood ART-2 scopes, which adjusted trajectory from 300-900 yds.
Scan back a few pages and read my post of the published weights of the M-21 and the M-14, M1-A Super Match and National Match.
Gee, whaddya know, the M-21 weighed the same as the heavy barrel M-14/M1-A Super Match, at 9 lbs 5 oz. What a coincidence. Must have been the heavier wood in the M-21.
The original M-21s just had match-grade barrels, but that barrel was too light for the MAC Sionics suppressor, so the heavy barrel had to be put into place.
Now Lee be nice. I expect a nasty name like that being thrown at someone like me that you try to ignore but why would noknees deserve it for simply recalling what he was issued? Maybe he had one of the originals with a match grade barrel before the suppressor was issued.
Im sorry your starting to break down trying to keep track of everything you post but there is no need to be nasty.
I don't know what Steve_NO is talking about, but neither does Steve_NO.
"Arnold Strong" was a stage name, used by several circus strong men. This was from the era of P.T. Barnum and all these men used kettle bells for work outs and for exhibitions.
I can reword the sentence by using some new names, and those of you who don't know much about heavy weights will be just as baffled.
Any one who had lifted heavy weights would know who George Hackenschmidt, Eugene Sandow, Arthur Saxon, Louis Cyr and others were.
Than I had to invent the steam engine, so's we could get the Elephants on shore and PT could cruise ( Chrysler plug)
Lee,.....as much as I appreciate your help with the minor details of inventing the Steam Engine,.......and your well intentioned advice about the original elephant design ( 4 tusks?!).....you're really starting to pizz me off.
These fellows sound like they've got their chit together.
You need to remember that it's not everybody gets to live 4-5 lifetimes, and be "inner Circle" on alla' the latest evolutions.
I forgave you that"Bubonic Plague" stunt,........and remain somewhat underwhelmed at your latest "Tsunami Research" activities in the Indian Ocean / China Sea.
Fair warning,........DON'T pizz off these "Campfire types" any further.
there's more than a few look like suitable replacements for your sorry azz, and Imn have no doubt they just might do better work.
Now,....Lee, get back to work on this "Global Warming Horsechit, and try and get this Gore weirdo in line. Gotta' say, I'm really pizzed that you called out "trust him"
Lee24, I want to thank you for inventing Christmas....and for bringing so much joy and hilarity into the lives of so many people here at the Fire with your antics.
Don't ever change, man. And Merry Christmas to you.
And I was hoping to get pictures for Christmas, maybe something with a .375 or a "real" sniper rifle. Maybe even a sniper rifle in .375 but thats probably still classified.
Problem is Lee is right about strong men. You sure we're not in some bandwidth warp into As Real As It Gets?
And what is all this hoopla about some 375? Reminds me of the NOBODY from Alaska who says all my gun pics are stolen off the net but can't seem to find any.
In the Air America gunroom back in day in Thailand, those boys had a M-70 Std weight target model in 270 WCF carrying an 8X Unertl Vulture. "sniper rifle"? Guess that a lot of NVA paymasters in Laos and Cambodia might agree......"dead is dead."
Problem is Lee is right about strong men. You sure we're not in some bandwidth warp into As Real As It Gets?
And what is all this hoopla about some 375? Reminds me of the NOBODY from Alaska who says all my gun pics are stolen off the net but can't seem to find any.
In the Air America gunroom back in day in Thailand, those boys had a M-70 Std weight target model in 270 WCF carrying an 8X Unertl Vulture. "sniper rifle"? Guess that a lot of NVA paymasters in Laos and Cambodia might agree......"dead is dead."
Ahhh! Lees lover is back to defending him......you 2 get back in the sack now ya hear.
quite simply Lee claims he owns a factory rifle from Winchesters SC plant that Winchester claims they hadnt made nor had even tooled up to start building though they planned on getting around to it in the future....Lee made a claim, a member fact checked his statement and basically got it straight from the horses mouth that such a rifle doesnt exist and Lee wont produce a pic to prove us wrong....
Lee, forget whether or not you have this rifle, friends have the rifle, you had the rifle, we didn't ask in a gentlemanly fashion enough to meet your high standards etc..... Can you provide proof that the rifle was even made where you said it was made. Is that an unreasonable request? Please don't offer any silly excuses as to why no records exist.....fires, mud slides, lightening strikes, or any other form of natural disasters.
And yes, I hope you had a Merry Christmas or Happy Holiday.
You mean, "VAnimrod and Triggerguard CLAIM that Winchester never made the rifles in South Carolina."
They CLAIMED to have been told such by someone at Winchester, whom they have been unable to name. They made it all up.
i trust VA a hell of alot farther than i trust you....he hasnt done a thing he to earn any mistrust.....you have yet to provide hard proof on any of your claims.....you couldnt provide a single pic to back up your claim and im willing to take VA's word on the phone call.....
After more than 2 years of VAnimrod and Triggerguard claiming to have secret, unidentified sources at Winchester who said I and others do not own the rifles we own, anyone who believes them is rather naive.
Steve_NO demonstrates how country lawyers, when they lack the facts, attack the witness without facts. It works on you gullible dummies.
quite simply Lee claims he owns a factory rifle from Winchesters SC plant that Winchester claims they hadnt made nor had even tooled up to start building though they planned on getting around to it in the future....Lee made a claim, a member fact checked his statement and basically got it straight from the horses mouth that such a rifle doesnt exist and Lee wont produce a pic to prove us wrong....
After more than 2 years of VAnimrod and Triggerguard claiming to have secret, unidentified sources at Winchester who said I and others do not own the rifles we own, anyone who believes them is rather naive.
Steve_NO demonstrates how country lawyers, when they lack the facts, attack the witness without facts. It works on you gullible dummies.
once again dumb arse, if you would post a picture damn near this whole site would have to eat crow and apologize but you havent dont that so the only conclusion we can come to is your a liar....
After more than 2 years of VAnimrod and Triggerguard claiming to have secret, unidentified sources at Winchester who said I and others do not own the rifles we own, anyone who believes them is rather naive.
Steve_NO demonstrates how country lawyers, when they lack the facts, attack the witness without facts. It works on you gullible dummies.
once again dumb arse, if you would post a picture damn near this whole site would have to eat crow and apologize but you havent dont that so the only conclusion we can come to is your a liar....
So how come nobody else can get a photo of these rifles either?
not really......had offers from VA to send me his personal firearms to try out before buying my own just on my word i would send it back.....all you had to do to gain any trust from ANYONE here was post a picture and couldnt even handle that.....
Steve_NO demonstrates how country lawyers, when they lack the facts, attack the witness without facts. It works on you gullible dummies.
no, since you've demonstrated countless times that you are a pathological liar, and been the subject of long threads documenting your lies, and have become a forum joke, I'd say you have been completely impeached as a witness.....you have zero credibility here except with your sock puppet buddy oldman. The other 15,000 members know you're a lying sack of [bleep]. That's not attacking the witness without facts, that's impeaching the witness with his own lies. Savvy?
After more than 2 years of VAnimrod and Triggerguard claiming to have secret, unidentified sources at Winchester who said I and others do not own the rifles we own, anyone who believes them is rather naive.
fluff,
yet you want us to believe you on your word alone??? provide proof with a photo....
Im glad he has his thread back under control. Probably out searching garage sales for a kettlebell.
Me personally I always thought it was easier for someone to prove they have something (via photo or other means) than it is for someone to prove that something does not exist...kind of hard to take a picture of that.
Me personally I always thought it was easier for someone to prove they have something (via photo or other means) than it is for someone to prove that something does not exist...kind of hard to take a picture of that.
roger clemens hgh/ped defense was 'how do you prove a negative?'
Wow, I really hate to see this site slide down to the level of Big Stick's private hell hole of foul mouthed wannabes. Is the picture of ANY rifle so important as to produce all this invective? Seems to me that neither side has any proof so lets move on. Would you guys act this way if you were sitting around the table down at the VFW? There are enough "keyboard thugs" on other gun sites, lets not turn this one into a bunch or grade school kids fighting over the last cookie in the jar.
In any case all Model 70s are good barreled actions hampered by a club of a stock. Yeah I got one in 30-06 and it's a ton of fun with cast bullets and a good backup rifle or loaner.
Pretty sure that the confusion on the machine gun ammo comes from the fact that MG "overhead" fire ammo was always the first runs of any lot and inherently more uniform in tolerances. It was always marked as overhead fire ammo also AND THAT is what was normally delinked and used in lieu of match ammo early on. At least that is my 24 years experience in SF and match shooting.
Wow, I really hate to see this site slide down to the level of Big Stick's private hell hole of foul mouthed wannabes. Is the picture of ANY rifle so important as to produce all this invective? Seems to me that neither side has any proof so lets move on. Would you guys act this way if you were sitting around the table down at the VFW? There are enough "keyboard thugs" on other gun sites, lets not turn this one into a bunch or grade school kids fighting over the last cookie in the jar.
In any case all Model 70s are good barreled actions hampered by a club of a stock. Yeah I got one in 30-06 and it's a ton of fun with cast bullets and a good backup rifle or loaner.
You can claim only so much for so long and continue to refuse any attempt to back it up before everyone calls BS. He could have ended that thread on the second page with a simple photo but got called on it. Even then he refused to back down and implied everyone else was wrong including someone who was working inside the plant.
You mean, "VAnimrod and Triggerguard CLAIM that Winchester never made the rifles in South Carolina."
They CLAIMED to have been told such by someone at Winchester, whom they have been unable to name. They made it all up.
And then I provided you with the name and phone number of someone at Winchester who also verified that no such rifles existed, even as limited production, non-cataloged items.
I provided the name and number, VA then said it was the same person he spoke to. Or did you conveniently forget this?
Hmm.. somebody who registered on 9/15/09 is referencing Big Stick? Since Big Stick's been gone quite a bit longer than that, makes you wonder who's double registered as oldman?
Hmm.. somebody who registered on 9/15/09 is referencing Big Stick? Since Big Stick's been gone quite a bit longer than that, makes you wonder who's double registered as oldman?
Yeah it seems hes got an axe to grind with Stick too....whataputz!
Hmm.. somebody who registered on 9/15/09 is referencing Big Stick? Since Big Stick's been gone quite a bit longer than that, makes you wonder who's double registered as oldman?
oldman is Lee's sock puppet, created to help him out. VA Nimrod will be tracing that URL too.....bet it's the same as Lee's. Sock puppetrs are like imaginary friends for grownups....that way Lee has somebody who'll play with him.
I think you're mistaken. Lee has the patent on Thorazine. However, you won't be able to find any record on that because in the interest of national security access to that information is blocked.
I'm just watching and waiting for Lee to declare " This is my last post..."
Again....
The last "last" post was good for about 20 more pages of huaranging.....
Ingwe
You'll never see it, he likes the attention he gets here too much.
Heck that is usually the best part and my weakest moment. I cannot resist countering something in his "last post on this thread" just to watch him post another post.
Originally Posted By: Lee24 You mean, "VAnimrod and Triggerguard CLAIM that Winchester never made the rifles in South Carolina."
They CLAIMED to have been told such by someone at Winchester, whom they have been unable to name. They made it all up.
---- Then is yarn in response ----------- And then I provided you with the name and phone number of someone at Winchester who also verified that no such rifles existed, even as limited production, non-cataloged items.
I provided the name and number, VA then said it was the same person he spoke to. Or did you conveniently forget this?
- exbiologist
------- The FACT is ----------------- 1. I never saw any such name provided. No one ever sent it to me in a PM, either. Sounds like yet more BS from the hate crowd of know-nothing bluffers.
2. If someone had, that doesn't mean VAnimrod or Triggerguard actually had any such source at Winchester, and anyone who believes they did, is a gullible idiot.
3. Why would any of you take 2 years to come up with the name of this alleged source? Smells like more or your typical BS.
4. Post the name and contact information again, so I can call them.
5. This topic is about US Military Sniper Rifles, another subject to which the usual trolls have nothing to add, so they try to dredge up some other old phony issues they concocted.
MERRY CHRISTMAS! You trolls play with each other, while the lurkers begin to ask themselves why none of you can ever come up with any real information.
Lee24 is the most intersting person I've ever encountered, I mean you hear about people being "negative attention seekers" and probably most of us if we think about it know aomeone who can get that way from time to time (often times a child), but in Lee's case its an abosulute pathological condidtion. Even if Lee24 held a position that everyone AGREED WITH he would post the opposite, just to gain that attention. I would love to see him locked away and studied by a team of Dr.'s- I would definately make sure to take a field trip to his padded cell to see the legend in person. Lee is the reason Walter Freeman invented the Transorbital Lobotomy, a procedure so simple anyone of us could perform it on our friend here, and send him on his way a couple hours post-op and save oursleves so much hassle here on the 'Fire!
So what are you saying ? Lees that special kind of girl who had a bad relationship with her dad, and now she's gonna bone everything she can get her legs around? sounds about right. In a addition to being the posterchild for lobotomy he is the poster child for
and of course (this is the most clinical and least disturbing image I could find) for once in my life out of good taste I posted the link rathe than the picture (though its really just a drawing) http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/images/abortion1.jpg
Originally Posted By: Lee24 You mean, "VAnimrod and Triggerguard CLAIM that Winchester never made the rifles in South Carolina."
They CLAIMED to have been told such by someone at Winchester, whom they have been unable to name. They made it all up.
---- Then is yarn in response ----------- And then I provided you with the name and phone number of someone at Winchester who also verified that no such rifles existed, even as limited production, non-cataloged items.
I provided the name and number, VA then said it was the same person he spoke to. Or did you conveniently forget this?
- exbiologist
------- The FACT is ----------------- 1. I never saw any such name provided. No one ever sent it to me in a PM, either. Sounds like yet more BS from the hate crowd of know-nothing bluffers.
2. If someone had, that doesn't mean VAnimrod or Triggerguard actually had any such source at Winchester, and anyone who believes they did, is a gullible idiot.
3. Why would any of you take 2 years to come up with the name of this alleged source? Smells like more or your typical BS.
4. Post the name and contact information again, so I can call them.
5. This topic is about US Military Sniper Rifles, another subject to which the usual trolls have nothing to add, so they try to dredge up some other old phony issues they concocted.
MERRY CHRISTMAS! You trolls play with each other, while the lurkers begin to ask themselves why none of you can ever come up with any real information.
------- The FACT is ----------------- 1. I never saw any such name provided. No one ever sent it to me in a PM, either.
Lee - your lying knows no bounds.
From the link exbiologist provided:
Originally Posted by exbiologist
OK, I just talked with Rick Taylor with Winchester's customer service. Phone number is 800-333-3288. I specifically asked, "has there ever been a .375 H&H Super Grade produced in the South Carolina factory? Either as a non-cataloged limited run for a single distributor or as a cataloged model?" He said, "no sir, the largest caliber to date has been the .338, and they just began making those. But I suspect they will make those larger calibers in the future." So there you go, someday soon one might exist, but they currently do not (which no one here ever really doubted) Ingwe, if you could get cracking on the time machine poster for Lee, I would much appreciate it.
Originally Posted by Lee24
Well, exbiologist came up with a name of someone at Winchester Customer Service, 2.5 years after VAnimrod and triggerguard were unable to name their contacts. Of course, it's right off the new Winchester web site. Thanks for nothing, exbiologist.
What makes you think this CS rep is the secret contact of VAnimrod or triggerguard whom they cannot name? How dumb can you be?
So it's obvious you did in fact see and acknowledge the name provided to you.
My favorite thing going on that thread is the misdirection Lee utilizes, totally disreagrding the fact that exbiologist just put the smack down- Lee now wants to argue over whether or not that guy is in fact the "top secret source" I love it.
Here is a composite sketch of the highly touted top secret source. It pains me to be the one to step forward with this information, but in the interst of integrity I feel compelled. While it is possible to ascertain through customer service reps like he ones listed on the winchester website that the 375 H&H supergrade doesn't exist- VAnimrod used another method. You'll never get him to name his source because his source was no commonplace Winchester employee, wasn't in fact internal to the company at all. In fact the reason VAnimrod will not site his source is because he is concerned about the possibilty of being prosecuted for INDUSTRIAL ESPIONAGE- because he used the SUPERSPY yuo can see in the composite sketch above to gain this intelligence.
Here is a composite sketch of the severet agent I uilized to sleuthe this whole thing out
I love it when Lee is posting, I'm glad he stands up and fights back against the truth. Beats the heck out of asking whether or not a .308 will kill an elk.
So all this hoopla is whether or no a model 70 in a certain caliber was made at a certain factory? Have I got it right? This has what to do with sniper rifles?
As for Big Stick (ex NOBODY), the ONLY place to talk with him is at ARAIG as he has been banned off every other, well anyway, 12 sites. I really enjoy communicating with him as he has more BS than most and anyone who snags little trout and put gel coat on the stocks of 54 Winchesters is obviously a real expert outdoorsman. He's an excellent example of "rig pig americanus" of which we have had our fill of in WY. Happily most have left our area and poaching is way down as are incidents of guys trying to pick up middle school girls with offers of meth.
Here's an idea for y'all. Offer Lee to come see him and observe the rifle in question, photograph it and post said photos on the site. I've extended that offer to the trash on ARAIG who claim all my pohotos are stolen off the net (although thay can't seem to find any anywhere). Thus far no one has shown up (subject, of course to my security requirements), as given the unbalanced state of many there, I would not wish them in my home, nor with them w/o at least two LEOs present. (Friends & members of our gun club). I've even thrown in a FREE plane ticket home for them can I not produce the guns on the list (yet to be supplied, of course), they send me. Try that out rather than all this posturing and keyboard blather....might work.
Anyway, I only own one "sniper rifle" (replica) and it still kills as well as it did when Sharpe was popping Frogs out at 300 yards two centuries ago. Once I did own a WW I USMC sniper 03' but the guy just throwing Franklins on the table and at 60, I gave in.
Lee's had more offers than all the internet handles you have (HAD) to make-up to stay in one place for more than a month. He, much like yourself, prefers the comfort of seclusion.
So, more than 2 years of inability to come up with any "expert sources" at Winchester, Mr. "exbiologist" claims to talk to "Rick Taylor with Winchester's customer service. Phone number is 800-333-3288."
Then he claims that VAnimrod and Triggerguard told him that, "Yeah, that's our secret source, too."
Baloney. If they had a source, they would have posted it. We don't even know if this alleged source is real, much less knows anything.
I'll get someone who really knows Winchesters to call him and check this out.
Does any of that really matter.......who someone knows, talked to, worked for, didn't work for..............
The only thing that I recall from all that nonsense was someone claiming that Winchester never made a 375 H&H Safari that was "roll stamped made in SC". You said otherwise and no one on either side has offered any proof of their claims other than just yelling louder and longer. Far as I'm concerned, nobody has proven anything other than what is obvious to anyone reading this garbage.
Does any of that really matter.......who someone knows, talked to, worked for, didn't work for..............
The only thing that I recall from all that nonsense was someone claiming that Winchester never made a 375 H&H Safari that was "roll stamped made in SC". You said otherwise and no one on either side has offered any proof of their claims other than just yelling louder and longer. Far as I'm concerned, nobody has proven anything other than what is obvious to anyone reading this garbage.
And you have your MD from where that provides you the expertise to diagnose such disorders? You have had how many consults with Lee, or that matter anyone? I am getting so bored with all this attribution of mental illness to anyone, anyone happens to disagree with. It adds NOTHING to the debate and only makes the poster appear the fool. Do you also diagnose cancer over the internet? Cure by playing with rattlesnakes? Howl at the moon to make rain?
Look, boys, no one has produced any hard proof that would stand up in a deposition. Until someone does it's all like a bunch of playground brats fighting over the last seat on the merry-go-round.
Lee claims to have something......all he has to do is post a photo and the lot of us would have to eat crow and apologize but he has stated that "we are not worthy" to see the photos....so he dug the hole himself.......were it just the rifle we could prolly let it go but there is a laundry list of crap he has been wrong on so we just dont believe a damn thing he posts cause the majority of it turns out to be wrong upon fact checking....
I'll get someone who really knows Winchesters to call him and check this out.
another bullshit promise that will never be followed up on, while Lee moves on to yet another lie.
how's the part time night med school class going? You do realize there is no such thing, don't you? you don't just get to, like, drop in and play with cadavers as a hobby.
it is really amazing how this douchebag dances around with irrelevant crap about who is who at Winchester/FN when the crux if the matter is that he's a liar unless he puts up the picture he says he has. if it existed, that picture would have been up months ago.....maybe the guy just enjoys being a laughing stock, I don't know.
And you have your MD from where that provides you the expertise to diagnose such disorders? You have had how many consults with Lee, or that matter anyone? I am getting so bored with all this attribution of mental illness to anyone, anyone happens to disagree with. It adds NOTHING to the debate and only makes the poster appear the fool. Do you also diagnose cancer over the internet? Cure by playing with rattlesnakes? Howl at the moon to make rain?
Look, boys, no one has produced any hard proof that would stand up in a deposition. Until someone does it's all like a bunch of playground brats fighting over the last seat on the merry-go-round.
DIE THREAD DIE!!!!!!
How does it feel with Lee24's hand up your ass, puppet?
You really are an immature ass. A regular internet question ducker and subject changer. Obviously Debate 101 was NOT covered in your GED. You gonna answer the question or not?
You get a pass living in Obama land. Your ex Senator, Chicago mayor and ex Governor couldn't get elected roadkill pickup officer in WY!
Must be wonderful to NOT be able to buy a gun w/o some state card and HAVE to visit the super safe town of Chicago unarmed. LMAO!
I had forgotten this priceless gem....not only does Engineer Lee design some kind of medical monitoring gear, he can tread water in very cold water for several hours.....apparently those hypothermia time charts do not appply to our Lee. He really could kick Chuck Norris's ass, if he thought he was worthy of it.
"I also know it from being an engineer who helped develop vital signs monitors, and from participating in one of the early tests myself, which involved treading water in cold water for several hours."
I should have entered that one in the Lee's Biggest Lies contest, but I'd plum forgotten it.
You have Lee's employment records, job descriptions and annual reviews at your disposal? Of course you do!
Lets see water temp not specified, clothing worn not specified, age, health and activity level not specified but YOU have charts? Here's a hint..... You can die of Hypothermia in the Gulf Stream and the Arctic ocean.....takes a trifle longer in the former.
Can we see a copy of your DD 214 as a Navy SEAL or at least professional diver?
Please don't publish any of your reloading data....LOL
A 747 with 500 attorneys in it hitting a mountain.... a good start. What do you call an attorney skydiver?.....Skeet
thats the best arguement you can come up with.....the dumb SOB tried arguing libel laws with me, a newspaper publisher and a bunch of lawyers and thinks he came out on top.....he is a pathological liar, nothing more......i know a few ppl with employment records along the same lines of what Lee claims so i dont doubt someone could hold multiple doctorates and the like but the thing those ppl have in common and Lee lacks is that they have no problem producing proof if asked, hell most of them are proud as hell to do it because of the work they put towards it.....
Lee is just a blow hard idiot that hasnt produced ANY proof of anything he has claimed to do....hell he cant post a simple picture of a rifle so i think he is far more like an idiot reporter we employed for all of 10 days, his resume and stories he told us didnt match up and put the SOB bout 5 years ahead of the rest of us cause what he claimed was not possible in the time he claimed it happened and was easy enough to check out cause we had the info to do so....just a internet commando claiming to do a bunch of chit he never did and gets called on it when he regularly [bleep] up the details.....
And you have your MD from where that provides you the expertise to diagnose such disorders? You have had how many consults with Lee, or that matter anyone? I am getting so bored with all this attribution of mental illness to anyone, anyone happens to disagree with. It adds NOTHING to the debate and only makes the poster appear the fool. Do you also diagnose cancer over the internet? Cure by playing with rattlesnakes? Howl at the moon to make rain?
Look, boys, no one has produced any hard proof that would stand up in a deposition. Until someone does it's all like a bunch of playground brats fighting over the last seat on the merry-go-round.
DIE THREAD DIE!!!!!!
How does it feel with Lee24's hand up your ass, puppet?
....hell he cant post a simple picture of a rifle....
That really is at the heart of his never-ending pile of bullshit.
I'm certain he was lying on a regular basis before that, but I think that is his masterpiece of duplicity. I wonder if his fellow wrecker drivers have to listen to his tripe on a daily basis?
And you have your MD from where that provides you the expertise to diagnose such disorders? You have had how many consults with Lee, or that matter anyone? I am getting so bored with all this attribution of mental illness to anyone, anyone happens to disagree with. It adds NOTHING to the debate and only makes the poster appear the fool. Do you also diagnose cancer over the internet? Cure by playing with rattlesnakes? Howl at the moon to make rain?
Look, boys, no one has produced any hard proof that would stand up in a deposition. Until someone does it's all like a bunch of playground brats fighting over the last seat on the merry-go-round.
DIE THREAD DIE!!!!!!
This is scary; Lee24's sock puppet is talking back to him, being disrespectful, and not taking his side. Time for a new, new persona Lee24.
I don't know why I bother replying to a sock puppet but attached is a fairly standard chart, which demonstrates that by any definition of cold....Liar's own word to describe the water...Our Lee would have been unconscious long before his "several hours"...again Liar's own words....had passed. He wouldn't have been breathing, much less treading water.
But of course, like most incidents in Lee's made up fantasy life, it never happened.
what now....the hand up your ass is going to tell you he was wearing a wet suit? we've seen Lee's fat ass with his catfish, and I don't think he could tread water in a hot tub for ten minutes without going into cardiac arrest.
Omg. I cant believe i just sat here and read the entire 43 pages of this thread. I feel i have read myself retarded...
Having said that, as a new member of this forum i will be disregarding any information posted by Lee24 or oldfart1942 and will soon been searching this forum for an "Ignore" feature.
In the beginning I thought oldman 1942 was just someone who had not followed the Lee24 saga and didn't realize just how faked the whole guy is. What he has proven in his defense of Lee in this thread, and with his similar posting characteristics, is that he's either a Lee sock puppet or a prodigy.
It'll be interesting to see if he follows Lee's path of posting absurd stuff that is easily verified as BS or if he'll decide to become useful for something more than an amusing distraction.
I've read the proceedure for posting my pictures and I think I may open a photobucket account. In the mean time, could someone tell me how to post internet pictures here. I've seen pictures of some very nice guns on the internet, and although I can't afford them, I could vicariously "own" them and post a picture here as if they were mine.
P.S. Disregard the above! By asking the above question, it would be too easy to determine that the pictures are faked. I should follow the example of Lee and Oldman and be more devious.
rattler, you continue to try to aggrandize yourself by claiming that I "argued with you about libel laws". I merely saw you posting some innaccurate information, and being much better informed and educated (in law school) on the subject, corrected some of your misconceptions. You need to hire a good lawyer, if you are in the "news" business and in the habit of attacking people for a living. Also, the protections a newspaper gets for lying do not apply to your personal attacks and fabrications, such as here on the Internet.
As for VAnimrod practicing law, he doesn't. I asked him straight up, and he said he is not a lawyer.
Pugs, your merely claiming that someone is this or that doesn't make it so, especially when you are unable to offer any contradicting facts.
there yah go again dumb arse, a newspaper doesnt get any more protection from libel laws than an individual, both are covered under the same First Amendment rights.....as for personal attacks you have provided zero proof on your end so you have yet to prove that i am wrong....a simple picture proves i am wrong.....but you cant do it.....so since you cant prove that i am wrong there is no harm done......dumb arse....
rattler, you continue to try to aggrandize yourself by claiming that I "argued with you about libel laws". I merely saw you posting some innaccurate information, and being much better informed and educated (in law school) on the subject, corrected some of your misconceptions. You need to hire a good lawyer, if you are in the "news" business and in the habit of attacking people for a living. Also, the protections a newspaper gets for lying do not apply to your personal attacks and fabrications, such as here on the Internet.
As for VAnimrod practicing law, he doesn't. I asked him straight up, and he said he is not a lawyer.
Pugs, your merely claiming that someone is this or that doesn't make it so, especially when you are unable to offer any contradicting facts.
The same applies to you..
I see now that besides engineering school you've also been to Law School, is ther any School that you have not attended?
Why don't you just post the pictures of the .375 H&H Winchester M 70 with "Made in Columbia,SC" and quit making an a** of yourself. Oh,I forgot YOU DON'T HAVE ONE!
Why don't you just post the pictures of the .375 H&H Winchester M 70 with "Made in Columbia,SC" and quit making an a** of yourself.
he has stated that we are not worthy to see them....we dont deserve to see them cause we aint special enough....guessing you have to be on whatever drugs he is to see them...
rattler, You last post shows that you know way too little about libel laws to be posting on the Internet, much less publishing a newspaper. It is a good thing newspapers have the extra protection of the NY Times v Sullivan decision. Libel and slander are torts, most of which have no protection under the First Amendmendment. The First Amendment applies to political speech, for individuals and the press, but has been extended by liberal judges to protect pornography, music, lousy art, tatoos, clothing, other things. You need to hire a lawyer and listen to him.
I am not a lawyer, but from what some of the professed lawyers posting here tell me, I had a lot more education in libel than they did in my law classes.
rattler, You last post shows that you know way too little about libel laws to be posting on the Internet, much less publishing a newspaper. It is a good thing newspapers have the extra protection of the NY Times v Sullivan decision. You need to hire a lawyer and listen to him.
shows what you know....all NY Times v Sullivan decision did was say if a publisher knew the info to be false they could not publish it and seek protection behind the 1st Amendment.....if to their knowledge it was true they got 1st Amendment protection.....that ruling didnt do jack chit to give newspapers more protection than an individual.....if you print something you know to be false you can be held accountable under libel laws....all it did was establish an actual malice standard....
jwp475, your ignorant school yard taunts like, "The same applies to you", are quite impotent, coming from someone who posts no facts.
Everything I posted about the sniper rifles and ammunition, I backed up with references to official US Army and USMC documents and public statements by officers. Don't let expertise and facts sway you, though.
As for VAnimrod practicing law, he doesn't. I asked him straight up, and he said he is not a lawyer.
IIRC he is in fact a lawyer, just not one currently practicing law. That means he is still a lawyer with a degree from law school, something you don't have.
Originally Posted by Lee24
Pugs, your merely claiming that someone is this or that doesn't make it so, especially when you are unable to offer any contradicting facts.
You've been offered many documented facts that contradict many of your claims and you offer nothing acurate or verifiable in return but merely resort to the "you're not worthy" line.
As far as someone claiming to be someone or something they are not, there are many here who have offered verifiable proof over the years. I suspect I have met face-to-face on the order of 40 Campfire members between the Raton get together, the DC Grill and Chills, and the TN pig hunt over the last four years. To a man (and woman Sassy!) they have proven to be enjoyable, trustworthy, honest and down to earth people. Based on this track record I assume the best of a person until proven otherwise. I read an awful lot of your posts before I decided to call you out on some of your lies about topics I am well versed in and make sure other people see your "facts" for what they are, suspect until verified by independent sources.
My opinion on Oldman is still out but he certainly seems to have tendencies that are similar to your and if I were an administrator with access to some simple data the results might be interesting.
Now, back to reviewing some Wireshark data to finish up the first draft of a report so I can deer hunt on Wed with another campfire member.
NY Times v Sullivan......all it did was establish an actual malice standard....
That's right, the plaintiff who has been lied about by a newspaper or broadcast must prove malice on the part of the media. Ordinary citizens are guilty of slander by spreading falsehoods, without malice, and in many cases without knowledge of it being false or any intent to do harm.
Big difference. If you don't think so, as Dan Rather.
NY Times v Sullivan......all it did was establish an actual malice standard....
That's right, the plaintiff who has been lied about by a newspaper or broadcast must prove malice on the part of the media. Ordinary citizens are guilty of slander by spreading falsehoods, without malice, and in many cases without knowledge of it being false or any intent to do harm.
Big difference. If you don't think so, as Dan Rather.
i think your missing the point, in either case the individual or newspaper thought it to be true, unless you can prove otherwise libel or slander hasnt really taken place....kinda like here, you could prove me guilty of it by posting a picture of it, since you refuse to do so you cant prove me guilty....by refusing to post a picture you refuse to hold up your end of holding me guilty of libel so libel has not occurred...
I am not a lawyer, but from what some of the professed lawyers posting here tell me, I had a lot more education in libel than they did in my law classes.
Gee, I thought you were a lawyer. Of course that was before you became a rocket scientist working under cover as a tow truck driver.
Thanks guys, I woke up after having a bad night and laughing has made me feel better.
I did not look to far back but im guessing ChrisF never had to cry because of real photos posted of the rifles? Also it stinks that our board member in Afgan had to drop out of the conversation due to lees constant drivel, wish you a safe day in the dirt sir.
I am not a lawyer, but from what some of the professed lawyers posting here tell me, I had a lot more education in libel than they did in my law classes.
Liar.....the real lawyers on here told you how ridiculously, sophomorically wrong you were. were these your secret PM friends?
I was a rocket and missile ENGINEER, years ago, not a scientist. I would have to be licensed practice law to be a lawyer, just like VAnimrod would need to have a law license to call himself a lawyer.
VAnimrod is the source of the latest lie, that I am a tow truck driver. My name isn't even "Lee".
I do know a couple of owners of towing firm entrepreneurs who earn over a million dollars a year. You non-achievers shouldn't sneer at hard work.
As usual, dumbass, you miss the point of NYT v. Sullivan....the critical factor is not that it's a newspaper making the questioned statement. In fact, the allegedly false and defamatory statement in Sullivan wasn't even a news story or editorial, it was in a paid advertisement.
the key holding of Sullivan is that a public official must prove actual malice....which means publishing statements known to be false or with reckless disregard of whether they're true or not....in order to recover general damages for defamatory statements related to his official duties.
Yeah weird how a towing company, photobucket account and forum name in basicly the same geographical area would all come together. Heck for lee that would be absolute proof of something. I even said it before and I will say it again, if that is your company and it does well why not take pride in it an admit ownership? I know a couple guys in (Garbes Towing, Milpitas, CA) that have made an excellent living in the tow business and have worked their butts off to do it.
remember, you need to have an engineering license to be an engineer too.
Not just a good imagination.
No engineering license is required (mandatory) for many engineering occupations. In some, such as road design (civil engineering) a state license is required to certify that the design meets requirements. In other cases ((e.g., auto, electronic and aircraft design, no license is required since a testing program validates the safety of the design.
he was born in 24 or 42... or he is 42 and when he typed Lee24 his dyslexia kicked in and he just ran with it, recognizing its potential future usefulness
Please never stop posting on this forum. It's comedy gold, and I love every minute of it.
You guys trying to run him off- don't do it! Take it for what it is. Every campfire needs a Lee24.
I *hope*, Lee, that you are smarter than we give you credit for, and we've all taken the bait, hook, line, and sinker. If so, props to you. Keep blurring the line between reality and make believe just enough to keep the forum members attacking their keyboards in anger and frustration.
If not, and you are posting this stuff in all seriousness, it is still hilarious, but I feel bad for you. Don't you know that you could silence the critics with a few simple pictures and documents? Then YOU would be the one laughing, and we'd all eat crow.
How about a pic of your engineering degrees? Or your mystical guns? Or any pics, for that matter, that back up any of your tales? Or any shred of evidence, or web links, that lend credence to your stories? With all of your many accomplishments, I'm sure you've got links all over the web to show of your greatness. What is your real name, for example? You know how epic it would be if you actually did all the stuff you claim to have done, and everyone on here was wrong about you? I would laugh for a very, very long time, either way.
I suspect the 24 is for the 24hourcampfire. - RIGHT
Lee goes by "LeeinSC" on other forums. - WRONG
Robert E. Lee is a general and person I admire.
dryflyelk, you probably are so far behind the curve in discussing anything technical, that you are unable to recognize just how much more some of us know about engineering than you do.
Well I guess the "boys" on the playground will continue on this thread carrying on about whomever Lee may be and what he owns or does not. Anyone who knows ISP tracing 101 could determine we are hardly related nor am I his puppet.
You guys are almost as easy as the a-holes on ARAIG, he just keeps playing you like little sunfishes on a cane pole and you keep coming back for more.
He doesn't HAVE to prove a thing to any of you but probably enjoys your frantic efforts to flush him out for their entertainment value.
BTW there is NO site requirement to have a handle that in anyway resembles your real name, nor is the same as used on other sites. Perhaps when wing nuts appoints an internet Czar, that will change.
Following this is, at best boring, at worst revealing of the ease with which one can wind up a bunch of keyboard boys over something of no import, considering the REAL problems we face.
I hope you are all as worried about what the idiots in DC are doing to you, your children and grand-children as you are about the GD 375.
BTW anyone with the Photoshop ability to make a cover like my latest publication (shown below) would find it very easy to whip up a M-70 375 stamped with "Made on Mars by Little Green Men", so don't count too much on what you think you are seeing.
Keep snapping up those worms and ending up in the frying pan...LOL
He doesn't HAVE to prove a thing to any of you but probably enjoys your frantic efforts to flush him out for their entertainment value.
your right he doesnt have to but if he wants anyone to believe him he needs to offer something other than the lot of us are to stupid to know.....to much chit he has posted has been fact checked and turned out to be bullchit....
No engineering license is required (mandatory) for many engineering occupations.
True and I'm an example of a trained engineer working in a field that doesn't require a license. Lee24 has, on the other hand, claimed numerous times to have a PE license and has certainly claimed to work in fields such as structural engineering that would require a license. Of course, he has not able to provide proof of it.
As far as oldman 1942, he seems to be very lee-like in his claims. Certainly his contention that tracking by ISP is easy is true however doing so from the data available to a basic user on an html based message board is not simple without doing some cracking on Rick's computer that none of us are going to do. Rick on the other hand could easily do so.
I do find it interesting that an anagram of leeoldman is enema doll. Just saying.
dryflyelk, you probably are so far behind the curve in discussing anything technical, that you are unable to recognize just how much more some of us know about engineering than you do.
By "some of us", I hope you mean, "everyone but me".
I don't know jack about engineering, and never claimed to. I have a feeling we have the former in common; the later, not so much.
dryflyelk, you probably are so far behind the curve in discussing anything technical, that you are unable to recognize just how much more some of us know about engineering than you do.
By "some of us", I hope you mean, "everyone but me".
I don't know jack about engineering, and never claimed to. I have a feeling we have the former in common; the later, not so much.
( <<<<< Dryfly elk, that would be the power curve AS SEEN THROUGH BINOs !!!! You sir, are so very far behind it. This is killing me, man- I would hang out here for no other reason than Lee24 if that's what it came down too, I mean this is the finest free entertainment available.
Lee, I myself am suomewhat ignorant in the field of engineering, and in fact , <<<< that is what the power curve looks like from my position, when viwed through 15x bino's. This bein gthe case could please expound on the subject for me please? Just a little info, IE where exactly is the powercurve located? How fast is it moving? Can it be graphed? thanks, G
I was wrong when I called this some of the finest free entertainment available, this is some of the finestr free Education available. I'm hoping Lee will get me an MD here if I hanf out long enough!
1) I never claimed Liar24 was a tow-truck driver. He's getting his stupid ass confused again.
2) I have claimed that he's a lying POS, res ipsa loquitur.
3) I have, and as has been verified, a law degree and am not currently practicing law. A lawyer is a term for some one who has graduated from an accredited law school, whether they practice currently or not.
4) Liar24's photobucket account lists him as "Lee", and supposition that such is his name, and his NOW claim that such is false points rather strongly toward a possibility that folks are getting REALLY close to figuring out who and what he is (hint: it is not an engineer).
5) No current or former living P.E. in either NC or SC (both states Liar24 claims to have worked in, and both that would and do require a P.E. license for work Liar24 claims to have done) matches the description, age, or expertise Liar24 claims to possess.
Aside from all that, you do have to wonder when enough will be enough............
It will never be enough VA. Most people would have quit along time ago after some of the beatings he has taken. They would have pronounded us as uninformed or misquided and gone on to another forum. The fact that he stays and has turned most of the threads into "victory" shows how bad it really is.
I guess I wonder if Lee is the rocket/structural engineer, google fu grandmaster, woodworker extrordinare, AMU marksman, inventor, consultant, lawyer and now possibly medical something (missed most of that one) why would he bother to hang out with us? Im sure with his superior intelligence he would be of a better service to the world sharing his knowledge on forums catering to those professions.
I feel like I'm watching Scooby Doo and at any moment Lee24 is going to be unmasked! this is so exciting!
Who will the villain/village idiot turn out to be? DON'T TOUCH THAT DIAL!!!! We'll be right back with Liar24's REAL identity!! If that ever came about the thread would get to be 300 pages long possibly the most viewed/ commented on post in the history of Algore's (excesior!) internet. (Lee's probably flipping out that I just gave Algore (excelsior!) credit for HIS invention...)
1) I never claimed Liar24 was a tow-truck driver. He's getting his stupid ass confused again.
2) I have claimed that he's a lying POS, res ipsa loquitur.
3) I have, and as has been verified, a law degree and am not currently practicing law. A lawyer is a term for some one who has graduated from an accredited law school, whether they practice currently or not.
4) Liar24's photobucket account lists him as "Lee", and supposition that such is his name, and his NOW claim that such is false points rather strongly toward a possibility that folks are getting REALLY close to figuring out who and what he is (hint: it is not an engineer).
5) No current or former living P.E. in either NC or SC (both states Liar24 claims to have worked in, and both that would and do require a P.E. license for work Liar24 claims to have done) matches the description, age, or expertise Liar24 claims to possess.
Aside from all that, you do have to wonder when enough will be enough............
VA has him nailed down. Lee or Liar, or his AKA: Oldman42 the enema doll. All could be put to rest with a picture.
I agree with 175, this is like 'The Mole'. Who can flush out the creator of L24 and now oldman. Whoever it is purposely has left tells and is laughing double that no one has figured it out. I haven't been here long enough to have any idea.
"If you own the rifle in question why would you have to "get someone who really knows Winchesters" to check this out?"
ANSWER:
I don't need to check out the rifle I own.
I want to check out this alleged person at Winchester, which someone came up with, after VAnimrod and Triggerguard claimed for 2 years to have an inside authority there, but were suspiciously unable to name them.
"If you own the rifle in question why would you have to "get someone who really knows Winchesters" to check this out?"
ANSWER:
I don't need to check out the rifle I own.
I want to check out this alleged person at Winchester, which someone came up with, after VAnimrod and Triggerguard claimed for 2 years to have an inside authority there, but were suspiciously unable to name them.
"If you own the rifle in question why would you have to "get someone who really knows Winchesters" to check this out?"
ANSWER:
I don't need to check out the rifle I own.
I want to check out this alleged person at Winchester, which someone came up with, after VAnimrod and Triggerguard claimed for 2 years to have an inside authority there, but were suspiciously unable to name them.
to me the obvious thing to do is just post a picture and prove us wrong......but maybe that answer is to obvious and simple....
I am sorry, this is a Lee24 thread. So I need an online source for my posts:
Mariam Webster:
Main Entry: piti�able Pronunciation: pit-EE-uh-bul Function: adjective Date: 15th century
1 : deserving or exciting pity : lamentable <pitiable victims> 2 : of a kind to evoke mingled pity and contempt especially because of inadequacy <a pitiable excuse> synonyms see contemptible
gotta love the logic....Liar24 wants the name of the person VA talked to at Winchester so that Liar24 can prove that VA is full of chit.....HOWEVER the easiest way to prove VA full of chit is not to get the name of the person VA talked to, it is to just post a damn picture of said rifle.....starting to wonder if Liar24 is just dragging this out until Winchester does produce the rifle so he can than actually buy one and than post a picture.....
I sold one of them already. I had 2. I sold my two pre-64 .375s when I bought the newer ones. A friend also had one in .375 H&H. Another friend has one in .30-06.
gotta love the logic....Liar24 wants the name of the person VA talked to at Winchester so that Liar24 can prove that VA is full of chit.....HOWEVER the easiest way to prove VA full of chit is not to get the name of the person VA talked to, it is to just post a damn picture of said rifle.....starting to wonder if Liar24 is just dragging this out until Winchester does produce the rifle so he can than actually buy one and than post a picture.....
Yeah, but VA and TG asked for an independent verification of the serial number to check date of manufacture.
At this point, anything Lee types is digital diarrhea...
damn if there are that many out there, google should have some pictures of them somewhere.... or at least ONE Of your friends should have a digital camera and the ABILITY to post a photo on this thread....
gotta love the logic....Liar24 wants the name of the person VA talked to at Winchester so that Liar24 can prove that VA is full of chit.....HOWEVER the easiest way to prove VA full of chit is not to get the name of the person VA talked to, it is to just post a damn picture of said rifle.....starting to wonder if Liar24 is just dragging this out until Winchester does produce the rifle so he can than actually buy one and than post a picture.....
Even when FN starts making them again, they will not be, and HAVE NEVER BEEN, rollstamped "Made in Columbia, S.C."
Simple [bleep] fact, and one that Liar24 could refute (if he had the rifle he claims, the one that Winchester flatly states that they have never made) with a couple pics and a serial number.
Liar24 won't, because he can't, just like he won't back up anything else he's ever claimed, because he can't.
The earlier question (when is enough going to finally be enough) still stands, and stands as directed (hint: which ain't to Liar24).
Simply put, Rick has asked many of us to stop responding to and encouraging Liar24. Many, have. More, need to. Though, I doubt simply ignoring Liar24 will be enough. Proving him a pathological liar hasn't been; debunking damned near every one of his mythical claims hasn't been. So, what does that leave?
Tell you what, if I ever get in over my head, please don't let Oldman1942 come to my defense! Kinda like Chuck Liddell hiring Maser for a bodyguard....
Simply put, Rick has asked many of us to stop responding to and encouraging Liar24. Many, have. More, need to. Though, I doubt simply ignoring Liar24 will be enough. Proving him a pathological liar hasn't been; debunking damned near every one of his mythical claims hasn't been. So, what does that leave?
Well if it screws up his bandwidth or whatever I can see that, if not, screw it we'll keep messing with him. He doesn't quit, I won't, hell its fun. There sure isn't any truth to the postings and its all hilarious...
I sold one of them already. I had 2. I sold my two pre-64 .375s when I bought the newer ones. A friend also had one in .375 H&H. Another friend has one in .30-06.
Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental disorder that is characterized by holding one or more non-bizarre delusions[1] in the absence of any other significant psychopathology. Non-bizarre delusions are fixed beliefs that are certainly and definitely false, but that could possibly be plausible, for example, someone who thinks he or she is under police surveillance. In order for the diagnosis to be made auditory and visual hallucinations cannot be prominent, although olfactory or tactile hallucinations related to the content of the delusion may be present.[2] To be diagnosed with delusional disorder, the delusion or delusions cannot be due to the effects of a drug, medication, or general medical condition, and delusional disorder cannot be diagnosed in an individual previously diagnosed with schizophrenia. A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) defines six subtypes of the disorder characterized as erotomanic, grandiose, jealous, persecutory, somatic, and mixed, i.e., having features of more than one subtypes.[2] Delusions also occur as symptoms of many other mental disorders, especially the other psychotic disorders.
The same punks fill up a lot of subjects they cannot discuss, with personal insults, crude jokes, and bragging about themselves. US sniper rifles, military ammunition, kettle bells, hiking 50 miles, ... lots of subjects outside the knowledge of you nimrods.
The same punks fill up a lot of subjects they cannot discuss, with personal insults, crude jokes, and bragging about themselves. US sniper rifles, military ammunition, kettle bells, hiking 50 miles, ... lots of subjects outside the knowledge of you nimrods.
Merriam Webster:
Main Entry: iro�ny
Pronunciation: EYE-ruh-knee Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural iro�nies Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirōnia, from eirōn dissembler Date: 1502
1 : a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning �called also Socratic irony 2 a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c : an ironic expression or utterance 3 a (1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity b : incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play �called also dramatic irony, tragic irony
I sold one of them already. I had 2. I sold my two pre-64 .375s when I bought the newer ones. A friend also had one in .375 H&H. Another friend has one in .30-06.
Ok I missed this from before. Not only does Lee have the rifles roll stamped with Made in Columbia SC, but his friends have the only other ones made?
Also lee it is kettlebells, not kettle bells, but Im sure you invented the later and introduced it to the language as an alternative to kettlebells as the rest of the world knows them.
"A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) defines six subtypes of the disorder characterized as erotomanic, grandiose, jealous, persecutory, somatic, and mixed, i.e., having features of more than one subtypes.[2] Delusions also occur as symptoms of many other mental disorders, especially the other psychotic disorders."
So,.....no difficulty , say,.....driving a tow truck ?
BMT, My law school never has had a night school, nor anything but full-time courses. There are good law schools that have part-time and night school classes - much better schools than some of the full-time 3rd-rate law schools. Likewise, there are good MBA programs which are part-time, because they want students who have experience and are climbing the corporate ladder. Many very good engineering schools have part-time degree programs. In fact, about 200 of them combined forces 20 years ago into a satellite program of remote instruction, enabling me to sit in my home classroom and take courses from JPL and Georgia Tech.
RWE, I already asserted that I owned several Winchesters claimed by fools to not exist. But their physical existence is real proof.
varmintsinc, I was introduced to kettlebells in 1967. Have YOU ever used them? What kind? What exercises? While you were Googling, did you look up any of the old time strong men whom I recommended?
Remember when you fools scoffed at anyone doing dumbell rows with 80, 90, and 100 lbs? Remember when I posted links to MANY men who regularly used these weights in their training?
Face it, you move in a much lower orbit of physical (and mental) capabilities than many other people operate.
Lee, stop wasting your time. These fools think they are doctors, 1000 yard shooters, legal experts and gun history experts. I have children older and far, far better educated than any of them. "If I were king" they would all be sent over to Big Stick's private hell where insults, lies and staying OFF topic is the norm. Just a bunch of the punk brat entitled set, that had life handed to them on a platter and don't know a 98K from a GEW98.
As with the Big Stick crowd, they love to DEMAND that you do this and that to satisfy their sophomoric power trip desires. Keyboard tough guys who would never act this way if they couldn't hide under their desks. I had one a-hole from that site threaten to come down from SD to WY and "kick my drooling old butt" etc. After I posted a link to Wyoming castle law....well he never made it.
Blah, blah, blah...most probably never served or heard a shot fired in anger. They'll be among the first to go when the food wars come.
Just give em a (GRIN) and stick to talking to the adults.
What really worries them is not who we are, but that they cannot discuss any adult topics. They haven't figured out they have to get outside and actually do something first.
You can sit in your living room and imagine all kinds of things, Tom, that just ain't so.
I have actually SEEN deer and bears hear an arrow leaving the bow, see it in the air, and duck it.
"Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental disorder that is characterized by holding one or more non-bizarre delusions[1] in the absence of any other significant psychopathology. Non-bizarre delusions are fixed beliefs that are certainly and definitely false, but that could possibly be plausible, for example, someone who thinks he or she is under police surveillance. In order for the diagnosis to be made auditory and visual hallucinations cannot be prominent, although olfactory or tactile hallucinations related to the content of the delusion may be present.[2] To be diagnosed with delusional disorder, the delusion or delusions cannot be due to the effects of a drug, medication, or general medical condition, and delusional disorder cannot be diagnosed in an individual previously diagnosed with schizophrenia. A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) defines six subtypes of the disorder characterized as erotomanic, grandiose, jealous, persecutory, somatic, and mixed, i.e., having features of more than one subtypes.[2] Delusions also occur as symptoms of many other mental disorders, especially the other psychotic disorders."
Rancho, I'll bet you don't understand what your copy-and-paste says, much less what it means.
But, since you can't discuss the topics, what else can you do...?
"Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental disorder that is characterized by holding one or more non-bizarre delusions[1] in the absence of any other significant psychopathology. Non-bizarre delusions are fixed beliefs that are certainly and definitely false, but that could possibly be plausible, for example, someone who thinks he or she is under police surveillance. In order for the diagnosis to be made auditory and visual hallucinations cannot be prominent, although olfactory or tactile hallucinations related to the content of the delusion may be present.[2] To be diagnosed with delusional disorder, the delusion or delusions cannot be due to the effects of a drug, medication, or general medical condition, and delusional disorder cannot be diagnosed in an individual previously diagnosed with schizophrenia. A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) defines six subtypes of the disorder characterized as erotomanic, grandiose, jealous, persecutory, somatic, and mixed, i.e., having features of more than one subtypes.[2] Delusions also occur as symptoms of many other mental disorders, especially the other psychotic disorders."
Of course, EVERY deer doesn't jump the string and get away. That's why your photo of a dead deer is irrelevant to the ones that did dodge the arrow.
Don't try to make a living with logic, Tom.
"Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental disorder that is characterized by holding one or more non-bizarre delusions[1] in the absence of any other significant psychopathology. Non-bizarre delusions are fixed beliefs that are certainly and definitely false, but that could possibly be plausible, for example, someone who thinks he or she is under police surveillance. In order for the diagnosis to be made auditory and visual hallucinations cannot be prominent, although olfactory or tactile hallucinations related to the content of the delusion may be present.[2] To be diagnosed with delusional disorder, the delusion or delusions cannot be due to the effects of a drug, medication, or general medical condition, and delusional disorder cannot be diagnosed in an individual previously diagnosed with schizophrenia. A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) defines six subtypes of the disorder characterized as erotomanic, grandiose, jealous, persecutory, somatic, and mixed, i.e., having features of more than one subtypes.[2] Delusions also occur as symptoms of many other mental disorders, especially the other psychotic disorders."
The less experience you have, Rancho, the more those who do have experience appear delusional to you, Rancho.
"Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental disorder that is characterized by holding one or more non-bizarre delusions[1] in the absence of any other significant psychopathology. Non-bizarre delusions are fixed beliefs that are certainly and definitely false, but that could possibly be plausible, for example, someone who thinks he or she is under police surveillance. In order for the diagnosis to be made auditory and visual hallucinations cannot be prominent, although olfactory or tactile hallucinations related to the content of the delusion may be present.[2] To be diagnosed with delusional disorder, the delusion or delusions cannot be due to the effects of a drug, medication, or general medical condition, and delusional disorder cannot be diagnosed in an individual previously diagnosed with schizophrenia. A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) defines six subtypes of the disorder characterized as erotomanic, grandiose, jealous, persecutory, somatic, and mixed, i.e., having features of more than one subtypes.[2] Delusions also occur as symptoms of many other mental disorders, especially the other psychotic disorders."
maybe Lee could make a new years resolution to post that cotton pickin' model 70 picture of a rifle he says he still owns....his continuing failure to do so brands him a lying buffoon. except of course, to his manlover.
Simply put, Rick has asked many of us to stop responding to and encouraging Liar24. Many, have.
Well there is a danger to that. To a newbie to the sport (as myself) Lee24's posts seem educational and rational, it is only the reaction of the masses that has given me pause and doubt. To a green horn the guy is totally believable..I know.
If the guy is as unreliable as the mass reaction would indicate, well imagine the guy who takes him at his word and hears no different?
Simply put, Rick has asked many of us to stop responding to and encouraging Liar24. Many, have.
Well there is a danger to that. To a newbie to the sport (as myself) Lee24's posts seem educational and rational, it is only the reaction of the masses that has given me pause and doubt. To a green horn the guy is totally believable..I know.
If the guy is as unreliable as the mass reaction would indicate, well imagine the guy who takes him at his word and hears no different?
Simply put, Rick has asked many of us to stop responding to and encouraging Liar24. Many, have.
Well there is a danger to that. To a newbie to the sport (as myself) Lee24's posts seem educational and rational, it is only the reaction of the masses that has given me pause and doubt. To a green horn the guy is totally believable..I know.
If the guy is as unreliable as the mass reaction would indicate, well imagine the guy who takes him at his word and hears no different?
Exactly!
Had similar thoughts earlier.
Really getting close to the "why give a [bleep]" thoughts now.
[quote=VAnimrod]Simply put, Rick has asked many of us to stop responding to and encouraging Liar24. Many, have.
Well there is a danger to that. To a newbie to the sport (as myself) Lee24's posts seem educational and rational, it is only the reaction of the masses that has given me pause and doubt. To a green horn the guy is totally believable..I know.
If the guy is as unreliable as the mass reaction would indicate, well imagine the guy who takes him at his word and hears no different?
Exactly!
You mean I can't believe everything I read on the internet?
[quote=VAnimrod]Simply put, Rick has asked many of us to stop responding to and encouraging Liar24. Many, have.
Well there is a danger to that. To a newbie to the sport (as myself) Lee24's posts seem educational and rational, it is only the reaction of the masses that has given me pause and doubt. To a green horn the guy is totally believable..I know.
If the guy is as unreliable as the mass reaction would indicate, well imagine the guy who takes him at his word and hears no different?
Exactly!
You mean I can't believe everything I read on the internet?
You can believe anything you want, but you should check with Lee. He knows everything.
Lee, give it up. You are talking to a bunch of young punks who have neither been there or done that. When you find people who ADMIRE that Alaskan rig pig fish snagging a-hole Bigstick aka Nobody, you know you are wasting your time. Of course some of them are ARRIG trolls just coming here because there is NOTHING going on @ ARRIG except threats and name calling.
Let this thread die. We need an "ignore" function as is found on the Hide. Very useful when dealing with the keyboard commandos.
Most of them would be right at home in Lt. Col. Peter's new book which I finished last night.
Barkuff, if you think I gave anyone bad advice on any subject, start a thread about it, and I will explain it or retract it.
Until then, you are just insulting me without any examples to back it up - which is worthless slander.
no, douchebag amateur lawyer, it's worthless libel.....written vs. oral....surely you remember your own attempted lesson on the subject. been sleeping through those night classes?
Newbies may be new, but that does not mean they are dumb. I was a newbie once and I figured out several chronic posters BS pretty quickly. I also am likely no smarter than the average new user of the 24 HR Campfire. So the rationalization of pointing the troll to the newbie is not too valid IMHO.
It amazes me no end that some sailboat fuel salesman can tie up at the dock and set up shop and we can set back and watch how many sailboats pull into the marina for a fill up, many pull up many times.
Like any troll this one does what he does on purpose because he knows just whose button he can push, when to push it, and how to push it to get a desired reaction. The reason he keeps pushing the buttons is because it works and it gives him a sense of gratification and control. So how much happiness do you want to give the troll in the New Year and how much control over your actions are you willing to continue to grant to the troll in the New Year? We didn't see the Model 70 375 picture last year and we won't see this year either. Or next for that matter.
Ignore the troll, let him die, let this thread die. Its entertainment value is long since over.
Steve NO, you should get help about your homophobia. Do you walk around NO carrying a sign that says "God hates [bleep]!"???????? Isn't that a "hate crime"? I'm just LAFFIN at you punk-ass wannabes.
Wait till the next big blow....you'll be disarmed and sent to "reeducation camp" by wing nut's thug army.(GRIN)
Can you put an arrow on this photo to show where you bunked with Bubba? LMAO!!!
Wait till the next big blow....you'll be disarmed and sent to "reeducation camp" by wing nut's thug army.(GRIN)
Steve did pretty well for himself during that little storm that rolled through Nawlins a few years back. I'm thinking he'll do fine when the "next wave" hits. Of course that's based on actually meeting the man.
This thread has served as great entertainment and I will go back to enjoying it now!
Steve_NO, I was waiting for some armchair lawyer to come back with, "You dope, it's libel, not slander."
Libel is the written form of slander. When a 24hourPunk makes up lies and posts them on this website, it is slander, in the form of libel.
Have you ever prosecuted or defended a slander or libel suit in court? It doesn't sound like it. But you probably know the difference, and were just trying to confuse the wannabees here in order to deceive them into thinking I don't know the law. You failed, again.
I don't believe VAnimrod has communicated with Rick Bin or with Winchester.
But it would be smart for all of you to stop your childish posting when you are unable to discuss the topics with adults.
"Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental disorder that is characterized by holding one or more non-bizarre delusions[1] in the absence of any other significant psychopathology. Non-bizarre delusions are fixed beliefs that are certainly and definitely false, but that could possibly be plausible, for example, someone who thinks he or she is under police surveillance. In order for the diagnosis to be made auditory and visual hallucinations cannot be prominent, although olfactory or tactile hallucinations related to the content of the delusion may be present.[2] To be diagnosed with delusional disorder, the delusion or delusions cannot be due to the effects of a drug, medication, or general medical condition, and delusional disorder cannot be diagnosed in an individual previously diagnosed with schizophrenia. A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) defines six subtypes of the disorder characterized as erotomanic, grandiose, jealous, persecutory, somatic, and mixed, i.e., having features of more than one subtypes.[2] Delusions also occur as symptoms of many other mental disorders, especially the other psychotic disorders."
Pretty much useless but brings a great big smile to your face when you push it down the stairs. Same for Lee - pretty useless but the idea of pushing him down the stairs makes people giggle...
[quote=VAnimrod]Simply put, Rick has asked many of us to stop responding to and encouraging Liar24. Many, have.
Well there is a danger to that. To a newbie to the sport (as myself) Lee24's posts seem educational and rational, it is only the reaction of the masses that has given me pause and doubt. To a green horn the guy is totally believable..I know.
If the guy is as unreliable as the mass reaction would indicate, well imagine the guy who takes him at his word and hears no different?
Exactly!
You mean I can't believe everything I read on the internet?
Well what is the point of the internet if not to learn? When JB hands out advice I listen hard, not because I know JB, but because it is not hard to see he is held in high opinion around here. Well Lee's posts can be just as concise to the untrained ear. Without the anti-Lee mantra, just as believable.
Believe everything you read on the net? Of course not, but I have learned a ton and getting the feel for an advice givers cred is part of the deal..
Barkuff, if you think I gave anyone bad advice on any subject, start a thread about it, and I will explain it or retract it.
Until then, you are just insulting me without any examples to back it up - which is worthless slander.
Well that is not for me to say, I don't know jack compared to those on this site. However maybe you can explain why the reaction you illicit should not concern me or give me pause?
I can see how you could read this as an insult and I do apologize for that, but slander? How can one's opinion on the validity of advice given possibly be slander? Opinion is just that, never said you were lying, only showed doubt over the reaction you draw to yourself.
Steve_NO, I was waiting for some armchair lawyer to come back with, "You dope, it's libel, not slander."
Libel is the written form of slander. When a 24hourPunk makes up lies and posts them on this website, it is slander, in the form of libel.
....just trying to confuse the wannabees here in order to deceive them into thinking I don't know the law. You failed, again.
no, you moron, it is the written form of defamation, not slander. Defamation has two forms, libel and slander. Libel and slander aren't forms of each other, they're different things.
nobody has to be deceived into thinking you don't know any law beyond what you google up....it's pretty obvious
Barkuff, if you think I gave anyone bad advice on any subject, start a thread about it, and I will explain it or retract it.
Until then, you are just insulting me without any examples to back it up - which is worthless slander.
Well that is not for me to say, I don't know jack compared to those on this site. However maybe you can explain why the reaction you illicit should not concern me or give me pause?
I can see how you could read this as an insult and I do apologize for that, but slander? How can one's opinion on the validity of advice given possibly be slander? Opinion is just that, never said you were lying, only showed doubt over the reaction you draw to yourself.
I was just joking. There is plenty to learn here if your waders are high enough to wade through the bullshit. It doesn't take long to figure out who knows what they are talking about on most forums.
Now back on track, why did M40's come with clip slots? Its not like you can use a stripper clip with a scope in place?
Lee, stop wasting your time. These fools think they are doctors, 1000 yard shooters, legal experts and gun history experts. I have children older and far, far better educated than any of them. "If I were king" they would all be sent over to Big Stick's private hell where insults, lies and staying OFF topic is the norm. Just a bunch of the punk brat entitled set, that had life handed to them on a platter and don't know a 98K from a GEW98.
As with the Big Stick crowd, they love to DEMAND that you do this and that to satisfy their sophomoric power trip desires. Keyboard tough guys who would never act this way if they couldn't hide under their desks. I had one a-hole from that site threaten to come down from SD to WY and "kick my drooling old butt" etc. After I posted a link to Wyoming castle law....well he never made it.
Blah, blah, blah...most probably never served or heard a shot fired in anger. They'll be among the first to go when the food wars come.
Just give em a (GRIN) and stick to talking to the adults.
You seem to know Lee, can you give these guys any rational reason for not posting a picture of the infamous rifle in question?
Why spend ten times the amount of time arguing the fact, when a simple picture could end the argument and put all these damned wannabees in their rightful places?
He's your friend, talk to him, post the damned picture and shut these armchair hunters up!
Barkuff, if you think I gave anyone bad advice on any subject, start a thread about it, and I will explain it or retract it.
Until then, you are just insulting me without any examples to back it up - which is worthless slander.
Well that is not for me to say, I don't know jack compared to those on this site. However maybe you can explain why the reaction you illicit should not concern me or give me pause?
I can see how you could read this as an insult and I do apologize for that, but slander? How can one's opinion on the validity of advice given possibly be slander? Opinion is just that, never said you were lying, only showed doubt over the reaction you draw to yourself.
I was just joking. There is plenty to learn here if your waders are high enough to wade through the bullshit. It doesn't take long to figure out who knows what they are talking about on most forums.
Now back on track, why did M40's come with clip slots? Its not like you can use a stripper clip with a scope in place?
Probably because someone, somewhere, thought someone, somewhere, might someday, possibly, use iron sights on the thing. Then a stripper clip might be useful, possibly......
Or maybe because they do that on some 40X over-the-course match rifles, IIRC, all the M40s/M24s are supposed to be iron sight ready.
29 pages and Lee24-Oldman whoever or whatever it is keeps coming back for more. The fact that no .375 has yet been made by FN in SC has been established by several sources as a fact, thus Lee24 posted a lie. I believe Rick is right in that we should ignore any post by Lee-Oldman or whatever he calls himself these days. Of course it sure will get dull here without our resident Lee-Oldman nut case.
....the growing dialogue between the World's leading Ex-Spurt, and his enema bag, and the spun off interlocution is certainly worth the 29 page lead in.
Oh, wait, it's enema doll, right,.......I'm just picturing a full blown loonie running from one podium to another, conducting a conversation with himself, and an audience.
Pure Vaudeville.
GTC
Long's it doesn't get creepy, I'd say let this run.
Waded through all 50+ pages and generally feel the need for a shower.........
There are too many quirks, inconsistencies and plain ole BS to counter from our buddy Lee.
I'll play Holiday Inn Express counselor to evaluate Lee. I'm guessing Lee is 50 something, fairly intelligent but has an inferiority complex the size of Alaska. He knows a bit about alot of things - enough to get him crawling out on some pretty skinny limbs. His inferiority complex keeps him trying to prove his intellectual acumen - which then becomes one big spiraling pile of BS.
The fact that he won't/can't post a pic of the SC made M70 is a testiment to the fact that it doesn't exist, Even if it did, at this point, he's played the game long enough that no one would believe him.
In the end, its all about our boy Lee. He does love the attention - feeds his complex - which is why he posted this latest round of trash. He knows he has a bullseye on his chest but relishes the fact that he can generate a 50 page thread.
I genuinely feel bad for the guy and quit trying to get him to prove his postulations. He is certainly entertainment on the 'Fire but cetainly lives a pitiful life - unless of course you ask him.
I get a laugh out of the way the 24hourPunks all vouch for how each other have "all this experience", but none them dare talk about what it is they have.
Your reading magazines at the barber shop isn't experience, kids.
The difference between you and the rest of us - we don't pontificate without being able to back up what we say. Your classic stand of "not posting to prove anything to the punks/idiots/whatever" has worn out long ago. It is not a morally higher position - it is a reprehensible position. One you can never "lose" on - and not have to back-up anything you say. Classic...............
Might also add that folks who pontificate w/o proof garner a pretty short grace period. You be the king of that group.
I get a laugh out of the way the 24hourPunks all vouch for how each other have "all this experience", but none them dare talk about what it is they have.
Your reading magazines at the barber shop isn't experience, kids.
And neither is using GOOGLE to gather up the inaccurate mix of Horschit you put on the FIRST post of this thread..
You are a running joke here, Lee..
This is the best definition I have seen for your condition-
"Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental disorder that is characterized by holding one or more non-bizarre delusions[1] in the absence of any other significant psychopathology. Non-bizarre delusions are fixed beliefs that are certainly and definitely false, but that could possibly be plausible, for example, someone who thinks he or she is under police surveillance. In order for the diagnosis to be made auditory and visual hallucinations cannot be prominent, although olfactory or tactile hallucinations related to the content of the delusion may be present.[2] To be diagnosed with delusional disorder, the delusion or delusions cannot be due to the effects of a drug, medication, or general medical condition, and delusional disorder cannot be diagnosed in an individual previously diagnosed with schizophrenia. A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) defines six subtypes of the disorder characterized as erotomanic, grandiose, jealous, persecutory, somatic, and mixed, i.e., having features of more than one subtypes.[2] Delusions also occur as symptoms of many other mental disorders, especially the other psychotic disorders."
bwinters, I realize your ilk doesn't recognize my sources - like official U.S. military documents, officers, and web sites - to be valid. But you will accept any BS fed to you by the 24hourTrolls.
Doesn't sound like you have any direct knowledge either. Riding the coattails of others is what you do best. Remember, Google and Wiki are your friends.
Originally Posted by Lee24
bwinters, I realize your ilk doesn't recognize my sources - like official U.S. military documents, officers, and web sites..........
Originally Posted by Lee24
Is it because you have no direct knowledge of the subjects?
There is a rather simple principle at work here � is it possible that all of us a wrong about you and you alone are correct? There is a certain amount of piling on that occurs with you but you do nothing to dispel or reconcile the numerous �facts� you get called on.
The reason you don�t make yourself known � and I�d maintain that position BTW � is that you�ve provoked enough folks to obtain a first class ass-kicking. Before you spout off a few holier than though remarks, I�m willing to bet a large sum of money that most men treat folks the way they want to be treated. If you act like an ass, you get treated like an ass. More than a few folks in this world need their ass kicked � you�d be among that group.
bwinters, I realize your ilk doesn't recognize my sources - like official U.S. military documents, officers, and web sites - to be valid. But you will accept any BS fed to you by the 24hourTrolls.
Actually, "everbody" doesn't disagree with me, just a handful of the same ignorant few posters who refuse to accept the documented facts I post, and the original sources of the U.S. military.
My opinions are based on those documented facts and my personal experience. Their opinions are based ontheir ignorance and feelings of frustration at their inability to join adult topics.
If you have to ask, "What sources?", then you haven't read this thread, much less the others.
Calhoun, do you not understand that .3086 inch diameter bullets designed for the 1919 Browning machine gun are different than .3080 inch diameter bullets designed for the infantry rifles?
I have zero sources of information but would be willing to bet the tolerances on these bullets are larger than the 6/10,000 th's your claiming to be the difference.
Thickness of a human hair is ~ 4/1000 th's. So your claiming 6/10,000 is the difference - an order of magnitude smaller than the thickness of a human hair. Wonder what the tolerance is on the machining? And this was in what year?
Don't know a thing about that.. unlike you, I wasn't around back in 1919 to design it for them.
But it's totally inaccurate to ever refer to it that way. You could have stated that it was ".3086" diameter bullets for the 30-06 machineguns", or any of a dozen different ways than saying 30-06 diameter.
Kind of like referring to old Savage ammunition as "303 Savage diameter ammunition". Inaccurate, misleading, and totally confusing..
bwinters, I just saw your childish fantasy post about you or one of your big brothers here "kicking my ass". You really should try to stay anonymous if you threaten people in public.
How would you like me to forward all your insulting posts like that to your family and employer? They might be reading your stuff right now. That's the way you should think before you start trying to outdo some of the trolls here.
I have zero sources of information but would be willing to bet ....
I posted the sources in this thread and in the other one. Start your education there, then broaden it to other historians of the .30-03 and .30-06 cartridge.
Steve when wing nut's "federalized NG" kicks down your door to take away you and your guns, you'll be "hands up" or dead. I love you keyboard warriors.... I don't recall a single NO resident fighting it out with the NG, they were disarmed and herded around like the Jews in Berlin. Of course people who choose to live below sea level......well we can't expect much. (GRIN)
Apparently you read more into my posts than was intended. At the end of day Lee, this is an internet forum, complete with anonymity and associated bravery. You take offense when folks call you out but keep coming back. Before I went too far down the defamation of character road, I'd also investigate the Rules of Evidence and associated burden of proof. Then please review the past 2-3 years of your posts and the "defamation of character" claims.
As simple as can be put: if you claim something rather unusual, unique, abnormal, please provide proof - and don't take offense when someone else takes offense when you play creative topical dodge ball.
BTW: I don't have a brother, nor did I ever even insinuate bodily harm to you.
Lee, that book validates Steve's definition of libel.
Originally Posted by Lee24
Libel is the written form of slander.
It book goes on about the law of "defamation", not the law of "slander"..
Better practice that google stuff.. you're slipping.
Here's my 30 seconds of googling, from www.expertlaw.com.. Seems pretty straightforward that any first semester law student would be able to remember it and not make a total fool out of himself by saying that libel is the written form of slander.
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What Are Defamation, Libel and Slander?
Generally speaking, defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Slander involves the making of defamatory statements by a transitory (non-fixed) representation, usually an oral (spoken) representation. Libel involves the making of defamatory statements in a printed or fixed medium, such as a magazine or newspaper.
I don't recall a single NO resident fighting it out with the NG, they were disarmed and herded around like the Jews in Berlin.
you are ignorant of the facts, as well as a douchebag. I'm pretty convinced now that oldman really is Lee in another persona, rather than just his manlover.
Calhoun, do you not understand that .3086 inch diameter bullets designed for the 1919 Browning machine gun are different than .3080 inch diameter bullets designed for the infantry rifles?
fluff(er),
i believe he was referencing your words:
Originally Posted by Lee24
I posted this in the thread, "US military sniper ammunition", not to divert it, but to continue a previous post about the .30-06 ammunition and how the .30-06 diameter machine gun ammunition as the original "sniper" ammunition for the 1903A3 rifles, and later, how the M-60 machine gun ammunition became the first long-range match and sniper ammunition for the .308 bolt action rifles used in Vietnam.
(bold for emphasis)
you could just clarify rather than attacking, huh?
Calhoun, that was pretty quick for you to buy a law book off the Internet, have it delivered, read it, and the critique my knowledge of tort law... all in 20 minutes. You are amazing!
To think that I spent two entire semesters in Torts class.
I suspect that whenever some of these Campfire Trolls get together in person, they supplement the libel they post here with verbally committing slander against many people here.
Steve_NO is the one alleging that I went to law school at night. I don't see anything wrong with that, if the school is a good one. I actually went full time, during the day. But I did take engineering graduate courses from JPL, USC and GA Tech at night. Another engineering company let me take PhD courses during the day, while being paid, because it benefited their research, and the campus building was across the street from their parking lot.
A ranking of law schools offering part-time and night classes: Most of these also rank in the top full-time law schools.
Steve, I am not "threatening" to send your childish posts to your family, friends, clients, and employers. I am just asking you insulters to think how you would feel if they were looking over your shoulder and saw you behaving this way.
I suspect that whenever some of these Campfire Trolls get together in person, they supplement the libel they post here with verbal slander about many people here.
a) "verbal slander" is redundant
b) it's only slander if its false
c) you're half right...we laughed ourselves sick on the pig hunt at your ridiculous douchebaggery....just you, not "many people here"
[quote=Lee24]Steve_NO is the one alleging that I went to law school at night.
no, Lee, you said you attended both law school and medical school part time at night. I'm sure it was a lie, like everything you post....but it's your lie.....you need to work on keeping you garbage at least internally consistent.
I never claimed to live in SC or even have the name "Lee". That's another reason you should not try to be a lawyer, VAnimrod. Or a policeman, private detective, or newspaper reporter.
PS: If you examine the courses of a real law school, you will find that Torts is two semesters in the freshman year.
I never claimed to live in SC or even have the name "Lee". That's another reason you should not try to be a lawyer, VAnimrod.
Yeah. Right.
And your photobucket account is labeled "LeeinSC" for no reason? You've referred to your location as being in SC several times, for no reason? You've claimed to have worked in "neighboring NC" several times, for no reason?
Just another reason not to lie about everything; you eventually lose track of your lies, and someone finds you out. Ergo, what's happened here.
Steve, why don't you start a thread where you can give legal advice to some of the trolls here who might take it all in? You might start with slander and libel.
I set up the Photobucket account just to post some photos for the 24hour crowd. "Lee24" was taken at the time, so I kept trying variations and Photobucket suggested one.
Someone from an ISP in N VA tried to hack my Photobucket account, VAnimrod, and then tried to tell them I wanted to close the account. You wouldn't know anything about that, would you? That is now a violation of your state law and federal law. Be careful. If any of your campfire buddies suggest doing something like that, advise them to not try it.
You accusing me of trying to hack an account, Liar? That'd be a federal offense, and something I haven't a clue how to do. Computers, ain't my thing.
If you've got the balls, press that case. Try me, b!tch, try me. Link that to the "libel/slander" case you've been threatening, and the threat you've made toward my employment. Try me, b!tch, try me.
While you're at it, why not just drive your fat ass up I-85 and we'll discuss this in person....................
I haven't accused anyone of anything. Photobucket accused someone, and they are trying to find out who it is. Just a heads up for all those who post photos here in 24HourTroll forums. There are some nasty folks here.
VAnimrod, you admit again that you have been stalking me, and are now blustering and challenging me to settle this "in person". That looks bad.
I haven't threatened anyone with a lawsuit. I just asked all of you how you would feel if your family, friends and clients saw the hateful posts some of you put on the Internet, like posters using photos of real people with Downs Syndrome. I'll bet no one got written permission to use their images for the purposes of hatred, ridicule and contempt. Their families might not appreciate that.
I set up the Photobucket account just to post some photos for the 24hour crowd. "Lee24" was taken at the time, so I kept trying variations and Photobucket suggested one.
Someone from your ISP tried to hack my Photobucket account, VAnimrod, and then tried to tell them I wanted to close the account. You wouldn't know anything about that, would you? That is now a violation of your state law and federal law. Be careful.
I haven't accused anyone of anything. Photobucket accused someone, and they are trying to find out who it is. Just a heads up for all those who post photos here in 24HourTroll forums.
VAnimrod, you admit again that you have been stalking me, and are now blustering and challenging me to settle this "in person". That looks bad.
I haven't threatened anyone with a lawsuit. I just asked all of you how you would feel if your family, friends and clients saw the hateful posts some of you put on the Internet, like posters using photos of real people with Downs Syndrome. I'll bet no one got written permission to use their images for the purposes of hatred, ridicule and contempt. Their families might not appreciate that.
I suspect that whenever some of these Campfire Trolls get together in person, they supplement the libel they post here with verbal slander about many people here.
a) "verbal slander" is redundant
b) it's only slander if its false
c) you're half right...we laughed ourselves sick on the pig hunt at your ridiculous douchebaggery....just you, not "many people here"
Steve,
You answered my question. I'm not a lawyer but I always thought that truth is an affimative defense to slander or libel.
I haven't accused anyone of anything. Photobucket accused someone, and they are trying to find out who it is. Just a heads up for all those who post photos here in 24HourTroll forums.
VAnimrod, you admit again that you have been stalking me, and are now blustering and challenging me to settle this "in person". That looks bad.
I haven't threatened anyone with a lawsuit. I just asked all of you how you would feel if your family, friends and clients saw the hateful posts some of you put on the Internet, like posters using photos of real people with Downs Syndrome. I'll bet no one got written permission to use their images for the purposes of hatred, ridicule and contempt. Their families might not appreciate that.
"Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental disorder that is characterized by holding one or more non-bizarre delusions[1] in the absence of any other significant psychopathology. Non-bizarre delusions are fixed beliefs that are certainly and definitely false, but that could possibly be plausible, for example, someone who thinks he or she is under police surveillance. In order for the diagnosis to be made auditory and visual hallucinations cannot be prominent, although olfactory or tactile hallucinations related to the content of the delusion may be present.[2] To be diagnosed with delusional disorder, the delusion or delusions cannot be due to the effects of a drug, medication, or general medical condition, and delusional disorder cannot be diagnosed in an individual previously diagnosed with schizophrenia. A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) defines six subtypes of the disorder characterized as erotomanic, grandiose, jealous, persecutory, somatic, and mixed, i.e., having features of more than one subtypes.[2] Delusions also occur as symptoms of many other mental disorders, especially the other psychotic disorders."
It would be useful for a tow truck driver to have a law degree and be an engineer. When towing a wreck from an accident you could add legal advice and accident reconstruction to the tow bill.
The burden of proof that the alleged libel or slander is the truth is placed upon the person making the defamatory publication to prove. The target of the defamation is not required to prove the truth about accusations.
Someone from your ISP tried to hack my Photobucket account, VAnimrod, and then tried to tell them I wanted to close the account. You wouldn't know anything about that, would you? That is now a violation of your state law and federal law. Be careful.
that sounds potentially defamatory to a legal layman like myself.
I'd suspect the onus of proof, should VA bring suit, would be on you and not on him......
Defamation laws are actually much stronger in the UK than the US, especially for the press.
I find the posters there to have much better manners, anyway.
Their football fans are more like the trolls and wannabees we find in these gun forums.
"Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental disorder that is characterized by holding one or more non-bizarre delusions[1] in the absence of any other significant psychopathology. Non-bizarre delusions are fixed beliefs that are certainly and definitely false, but that could possibly be plausible, for example, someone who thinks he or she is under police surveillance. In order for the diagnosis to be made auditory and visual hallucinations cannot be prominent, although olfactory or tactile hallucinations related to the content of the delusion may be present.[2] To be diagnosed with delusional disorder, the delusion or delusions cannot be due to the effects of a drug, medication, or general medical condition, and delusional disorder cannot be diagnosed in an individual previously diagnosed with schizophrenia. A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) defines six subtypes of the disorder characterized as erotomanic, grandiose, jealous, persecutory, somatic, and mixed, i.e., having features of more than one subtypes.[2] Delusions also occur as symptoms of many other mental disorders, especially the other psychotic disorders."
I don't know who did it, UtahLefty, but I know someone tried to hack my Photobucket account several times.
VAnimrod and others have grabbed photos off there before and posted them here, and posted photos of people he claimed were me, when they were not. Here is VAnimrod tonight, talking about his attempts to learn my identity and contact the engineering licensing boards. I think it is reasonable to ask him, and all of you, to stop those sorts of silly efforts to stalk and harm me.
And if any of you think it is fine to use photos of real children with disabilities in a hateful attempt and crude humor, explain that to Rick Bin.
I don't know who did it, UtahLefty, but I know someone tried to hack my Photobucket account several times.
VAnimrod and others have grabbed photos off there before and posted them here, and posted photos of people he claimed were me, when they were not. Here is VAnimrod tonight, talking about his attempts to learn my identity and contact the engineering licensing boards. I think it is reasonable to ask him, and all of you, to stop those sorts of silly efforts to stalk and harm me.
And if any of you think it is fine to use photos of real children with disabilities in a hateful attempt and crude humor, explain that to Rick Bin.
"Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental disorder that is characterized by holding one or more non-bizarre delusions[1] in the absence of any other significant psychopathology. Non-bizarre delusions are fixed beliefs that are certainly and definitely false, but that could possibly be plausible, for example, someone who thinks he or she is under police surveillance. In order for the diagnosis to be made auditory and visual hallucinations cannot be prominent, although olfactory or tactile hallucinations related to the content of the delusion may be present.[2] To be diagnosed with delusional disorder, the delusion or delusions cannot be due to the effects of a drug, medication, or general medical condition, and delusional disorder cannot be diagnosed in an individual previously diagnosed with schizophrenia. A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) defines six subtypes of the disorder characterized as erotomanic, grandiose, jealous, persecutory, somatic, and mixed, i.e., having features of more than one subtypes.[2] Delusions also occur as symptoms of many other mental disorders, especially the other psychotic disorders."
I don't know who did it, UtahLefty, but I know someone tried to hack my Photobucket account several times.
VAnimrod and others have grabbed photos off there before and posted them here, and posted photos of people he claimed were me, when they were not. Here is VAnimrod tonight, talking about his attempts to learn my identity and contact the engineering licensing boards. I think it is reasonable to ask him, and all of you, to stop those sorts of silly efforts to stalk and harm me.
And if any of you think it is fine to use photos of real children with disabilities in a hateful attempt and crude humor, explain that to Rick Bin.
Never contacted any licensing boards, you fuggin' idiot. I did a search of the records listed on the public websites, and then did a public website search of those listed.
As I stated in those threads.
Another accusation made by you, that's patently false.
Jusu Christie.... it really is getting like ARRIG. Now we have threats of ass kickings just like that [bleep] breath over there from SD who was gonna come and settle me as for good.
Lee, you should just back it down and talk to adults.
One of these punkasses may be pschyo enough to actually try and follow up on their threats.
As I told you before we are dealing with the Boomers' brats. They have never done anything but take, I doubt any wore the uniform and certainly none ever heard a shot fired in anger.
You waste your time trying to explain 30-03 vs 30-06 to THEM? Hell they couldn't even tell you what a 30-03 is, why it was replaced, what was done to the rifles and who decided that the US Army would not convert to 7mm. They don't even know what the 7mm cartridge was, who invented it and what his greatest claim to fame was.
I mean when 60% of GRADUATING High School seniors in Chicago think we fought WWII WITH the Germans AGAINST the Russians....well here's what you get.
They couldn't even explain this bumper sticker: "It may be 1788, it may be 1938 but it sure as heck a'int 1958" because they are uneducated dolts whose parents were too busy lost in the 60s to have a clue and passed along the same idiocy through their drug corrupted genes to this lot.
Musta felt like this in Rome in 475AD....if you doubt it just look at the barbarians running D.C..
Just waiting for the "loyal" American Muslims to get the word, then it will get exciting......(GRIN)
I was a rocket and missile ENGINEER, years ago, not a scientist. I would have to be licensed practice law to be a lawyer, just like VAnimrod would need to have a law license to call himself a lawyer.
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My law school never has had a night school, nor anything but full-time courses.
So you took full-time law classes but are not a licensed lawyer, but argue law with those who are?
You were instead a missile engineer?
Can I ask why you never became a lawyer even though you were educated as such?
Oh yes: Steve if I am so unaware of the "facts" in NO, why don't you post a few verified published news stories of the heroic resistance fighters battling it out with the NG street by street...you know like Stalingrad (you can look that one up).
Even your mayor was so dumb that he let all the school & city busses go under rather than evacuate the mass of idiots who ended up having to be rescued and financially bailed out by all the rest of who: A) work and have insurance B) are not dumb enough to live below sea level C) are not 5th generation welfare bums D) don't spend our lives with a crack pipe stuck in our face
Nature will take it back, just a question of when. Probably when the home grown terrorists take out the major cities and infrastructure, the food wars start and there is no power for those ancient pumps.
We got the guns and the cattle...you have Ray (Laffin)
Lee is the gift that keeps on giving isn't he? Just like a communicable social disease. I can't wait to tune in tomorrow to find out what his latest threat/delusion/career/expertise or whatever is. The only thing for sure is it'll involve him claiming that no one else knows anything and that everyone else is a troll.
Oldman 1942 is either a buddy or a sockpuppet. Certainly no one of any character who has viewed the lies that Lee has posted would be hard pressed to defend him in any way. Shame really. Looks like he may have something to add despite his insulting manner.
You waste your time trying to explain 30-03 vs 30-06 to THEM? Hell they couldn't even tell you what a 30-03 is...
Hey, I just had to come back and tell you that is one of the original posts which set some of these 24hourTrolls off their rockers.
I mentioned that the .270 Winchester was developed from the .30-03, not the .30-06, as a bunch of them keep saying. They went nuts! Of course, most of the web sites where they run to become Instant Experts were also full of erroneous information copied from each other. Finally, someone like John Barsness posted a link to some indisputable reference that, yes indeed, the .270 Winchester was based on the .30-03 cartridge.
That, and dozens of other such learning experiences, are what brings out the hatred here.
Amazing how when the heat gets turned up, and he claims to have asked Rick to step it with the end result being someone (or several) likely gets flushed, Liar24 hauls ass?
Well, maybe it isn't really that amazing..............
This whole thing is pretty screwed up but very entertaining.
Join us for the next thread "Hiking 50 miles while toting a US military sniper rifle"
Initial posting by Lee24, except he hiked 100 miles in one day while carring his kit PLUS his spotter on his back! He was tired the last 3 miles, but he made it!
The burden of proof that the alleged libel or slander is the truth is placed upon the person making the defamatory publication to prove. The target of the defamation is not required to prove the truth about accusations.
Wrong again,Lee. My God, you can't even do Wikipedia law competently. The target of the statement (i.e. the plaintiff)must prove the statement is false to have a case at all...it is one of the five elements of a cause of action for defamation.
"Under United States law, libel generally requires five key elements. The plaintiff must prove that the information was published, the plaintiff was directly or indirectly identified, the remarks were defamatory towards the plaintiff's reputation, the published information is false, and that the defendant is at fault."
like your blow buddy Lee says, I don't talk to children.
NOPD confiscated guns for a few days until NRA enjoined them, NG did not, although they wouldn't carry people in boats, vehicles or choppers who were packing. All covered in many contemporaneous threads. And certainly not worth my time to rehash for you, whose opinion means less than nothing to me.
now get back to your snuggums...he's getting upset.
Guess you never sat in a 109's cockpit. If the sun WERE bright enough to light that up like a Lionel toy train, the rest of picture would be bright and the cockpit would look clear not yellow. Here for your eddication is a real 109 taken in sunshine. Note a lack of a yellow interior (LAFFIN)
Damn miss a day or two and I lost ten pages...please dont make me go back and read them all. Can someone just point me to the photos of real sniper rifles that were going to make Chris cry or was that photo of the .375 posted, you know with the special roll markings that only lee and a select few of his friends were able to purchase. You would think something that rare would be worth a ton of money or at least be worth showing off....
By the way lee your reading comprehension still sucks. Nobody ever said (at least I did not see it) people cannot do dumbell rows with heavy weights and nobody cares if you can find a you tube video of some old guy doing the same thing. You got called out when you described yourself as 6'0", 170lbs and doing 100 pound dumbells rows on your "light days". Then when you got called out again for not understanding the light and heavy day concept your light days suddenly became some other number (sorry dont recall) and your heavies were 120lbs. But by then you had being using Kettlebells since the 1970s (now 1967 in this thread) so the whole thing kind of died because people dont like you to dirty up threads in the backpacking section.
Funny you claim this band of trolls just love to gang up on you and other posters but the only threads in the backpacking section that ever degenerated were all heavily participated in by you.
PS good luck in that "last post" being your last. Im sure you will have to fire back for being caught again. You would think you would at least take notes to remember what you had already posted.
My father-in-law was Dean of Engineering at a univeristy in the mid-1940's and also an Army Air Force (AAF) primary flight instructor. Following WW2, he headed up a test program of modified Luftwaffe aircraft for the NACA and AAF. The regular pilots were AAF test pilots who did most of the flying. One of the planes was an Me109G that had been fitted with expermental flaps to reduce landing speed.
The AAF pilots goated him into flying the Me109; once he got it started and opened the throttle, he knew he was out of his league. He took off, never retracted the landing gear, circled the field and landed. (Many pilots have been killed when flying at slow speed and opening the throttle; the massive torque coupled with low aerodyanmic pressure on the flight surfaces, causes the plane to roll over with fatal results at low altitude!).
On landing, he saw the test pilots handing over money to others; it seemed that they had bet on him killing himself.
Guess you never sat in a 109's cockpit. If the sun WERE bright enough to light that up like a Lionel toy train, the rest of picture would be bright and the cockpit would look clear not yellow. Here for your eddication is a real 109 taken in sunshine. Note a lack of a yellow interior (LAFFIN)
You know, the original posting was a painting of a Me109, not a photo. I assume the artist took liberities to better illustrate the plane and add interest.
Where is the "East Bay"? Sounds like Pelosi country, plenty a Varmints there but no doubt the rare and endangered methmouse.
I gotta give this a rest. It's just too much to even try and keep up with.
Give you a parting shot of an 03' you can only dream about as there is but one like it.....
You must think folks here fell off a bloody potato truck,.......An '03 fitted with its original irons, and one of those TOTALLY PATHETIC Chinese "Short Malcolm" scopes that have Muffler Hardware for mounts,.......No slide stop, a BIZARRE 5" Eye Relief, no Recoil spring.......
and check the cobbled up front mount for laughs
Dream my Azz,....that thing would be my nightmare.
Where is the "East Bay"? Sounds like Pelosi country, plenty a Varmints there but no doubt the rare and endangered methmouse.
I gotta give this a rest. It's just too much to even try and keep up with.
Give you a parting shot of an 03' you can only dream about as there is but one like it.....
You must think folks here fell off a bloody potato truck,.......An '03 fitted with its original irons, and one of those TOTALLY PATHETIC Chinese "Short Malcolm" scopes that have Muffler Hardware for mounts,.......No slide stop, a BIZARRE 5" Eye Relief, no Recoil spring.......
and check the cobbled up front mount for laughs
Dream my Azz,....that thing would be my nightmare.
Guess you never sat in a 109's cockpit. If the sun WERE bright enough to light that up like a Lionel toy train, the rest of picture would be bright and the cockpit would look clear not yellow. Here for your eddication is a real 109 taken in sunshine. Note a lack of a yellow interior (LAFFIN)
I think you just out did Lee. I have to tell you though it is always funny when somebody spells a word such as "education" wrong, while ripping into others about being uneducated.
Where is the "East Bay"? Sounds like Pelosi country, plenty a Varmints there but no doubt the rare and endangered methmouse.
I gotta give this a rest. It's just too much to even try and keep up with.
Give you a parting shot of an 03' you can only dream about as there is but one like it.....
You must think folks here fell off a bloody potato truck,.......An '03 fitted with its original irons, and one of those TOTALLY PATHETIC Chinese "Short Malcolm" scopes that have Muffler Hardware for mounts,.......No slide stop, a BIZARRE 5" Eye Relief, no Recoil spring.......
and check the cobbled up front mount for laughs
Dream my Azz,....that thing would be my nightmare.
Basil Haydens in one glass, water chaser in the other. Then some AH that used to be a friend said I may as well drink turpentine. I don't speak to that person any longer.
Basil Haydens in one glass, water chaser in the other. Then some AH that used to be a friend said I may as well drink turpentine. I don't speak to that person any longer.
And here I sit down with a fresh glass of Woodford Reserve, expecting another round of folks hunting over a bait pile and the quarry hasn't shown up yet (again). I'll be back to check in in a little bit. Do you think there is a blood trail somewhere? Or do we just keep watching the quarry circle back around like a cottontail, taking hit after hit?
Thanks for the show! Beats the heck out of anything on TV!
I beleive the Bf109's portrayed are the "G" model. There is no diagonal brace for the horizontal tail section.
And rounded wingtips and tails makes them an F or a G but the telltale on the Gustav is the bumps on the cowl. Galland hoods could be fitted on either. Back in the day I could have likely told you the mark too.
Yeah, oldman42 once in a while puts up an entertaining or rationally informative post.
But he's kind of a like my first mother-in-law: She could be really sweet for a day (or less) but then she'd insist that beef had to be cooked well-done because cows have trichinosis, or she'd splat one of her grandkid's birthday cakes all over the table with a half-full whiskey bottle (and you can guess where the other half was).
I remember spending time with Carlos Hathcock in the early 60's teaching him the finer points of turrets. To his credit he was a fast learner and seemed to do pretty well from what I hear.
I remember spending time with Carlos Hathcock in the early 60's teaching him the finer points of turrets. To his credit he was a fast learner and seemed to do pretty well from what I hear.
I'm thinking an "I can Lie Better than Lee" thread might be a decent venture,......
I've got a solid Historical imperative for suggesting this,
When I was training Nelson in the finer points of Sea Warfare, just after he got his wing blown off, I oftimes had to resort to that form of "Spoof" to keep him cheered up.
I relied on the experience that I'd picked up campaigning with Bonaparte......another one of those "Deep Cover" ops that I'm revered for,....
Just as an aside, let me assure you that all of the failings of the French Charlleville musket were rectified on my return to England, and working in the Tower of London Armory was pivotal in my early years engineering / training phase. My final design of the Brown Bess is well known, .......and I still recieve regular royalties from the Queen, .....who I haven't lunched with, this year, yet,.......
If you had read the post ( I know, none of you do that before shooting off at the mouth ), you would see where I said I do not use the 25-yard system. I can sight in any decent rifle at any shootable range with 3 shots:
First to see where it is hitting, like at 100 meters. Second to move the windage and elevation to center Third to check it at a farther range.
The question was about how to sight in at 25 yards. You have to be able to estimate range within 10 yards at 300 and be able to hold 1 MOA without a bench to do it in 3 shots.
If your parents ever let you buy a real rifle, start with the 25-yard method.
If you had read the post ( I know, none of you do that before shooting off at the mouth ), you would see where I said I do not use the 25-yard system. I can sight in any decent rifle at any shootable range with 3 shots:
First to see where it is hitting, like at 100 meters. Second to move the windage and elevation to center Third to check it at a farther range.
The question was about how to sight in at 25 yards. You have to be able to estimate range within 10 yards at 300 and be able to hold 1 MOA without a bench to do it in 3 shots.
If your parents ever let you buy a real rifle, start with the 25-yard method.
This best explains your problem...
"Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental disorder that is characterized by holding one or more non-bizarre delusions[1] in the absence of any other significant psychopathology. Non-bizarre delusions are fixed beliefs that are certainly and definitely false, but that could possibly be plausible, for example, someone who thinks he or she is under police surveillance. In order for the diagnosis to be made auditory and visual hallucinations cannot be prominent, although olfactory or tactile hallucinations related to the content of the delusion may be present.[2] To be diagnosed with delusional disorder, the delusion or delusions cannot be due to the effects of a drug, medication, or general medical condition, and delusional disorder cannot be diagnosed in an individual previously diagnosed with schizophrenia. A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) defines six subtypes of the disorder characterized as erotomanic, grandiose, jealous, persecutory, somatic, and mixed, i.e., having features of more than one subtypes.[2] Delusions also occur as symptoms of many other mental disorders, especially the other psychotic disorders."
No, but I remember Lee telling folks to do something very similar, like " on your way to work each day and from"........man O man has he ever said an original thought?
Nimrod, why don't you e-mail Rick Bin and ask him to read all your nasty, obnoxious posts? Just in case he missed my e-mail, remind him to look at you and your clown class poking fun at mentally retarded children.
You obviously don't know what a psychologist is, or does. You are repeating back at me the line I used on you and Rancho Loco for your cut-and-paste diagnosis.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Thank you, nimrod.
If you had read the post ( I know, none of you do that before shooting off at the mouth ), you would see where I said I do not use the 25-yard system. I can sight in any decent rifle at any shootable range with 3 shots:
First to see where it is hitting, like at 100 meters. Second to move the windage and elevation to center Third to check it at a farther range.
The question was about how to sight in at 25 yards. You have to be able to estimate range within 10 yards at 300 and be able to hold 1 MOA without a bench to do it in 3 shots.
If your parents ever let you buy a real rifle, start with the 25-yard method.
Are you serious? You must really think we were all born yesterday.............
Next time I mount a new scope, I'm calling you to come sight it in with your 3 shots at 100 yards. You must be shooting at a helluva big piece of paper.
BTW: How do you know the group size if you only shoot 3 shots? How do you know if you ain't luckin' the 3rd shot in? Or if you have a load capable of a 6" group. You are friggin amazing.
Zeroing your Garand, M-14 or M-16 in 3 shots is also taught to all the US Marine Corps in basic training. Not for everyone, though.
were you a Marine, too, Lee?
that reminds me of one of your more obvious lies....to which you still refuse to respond..your claim to have shot on the AMU team in 1968....and your offhand reference to going to drill on a recent weekend. Are you claiming you are in the reserves or NG now? Are you claiming you were in the service in 1968?
Good Lord. This thing is still here? The Thread That Will Not Die?
Everybody take a deep breath. FN announced production of big bore M70's on, I think, 12/31/2009. At least, I was so informed in an email from a gun dealer, which like an idiot I deleted. Odd thing: I can't find the announcement on the Winchester Web site. Could Lee24, with his breathtaking IT background, have hacked in and deleted it? Inquiring minds want to know.
Good Lord. This thing is still here? The Thread That Will Not Die?
Everybody take a deep breath. FN announced production of big bore M70's on, I think, 12/31/2009. At least, I was so informed in an email from a gun dealer, which like an idiot I deleted. Odd thing: I can't find the announcement on the Winchester Web site. Could Lee24, with his breathtaking IT background, have hacked in and deleted it? Inquiring minds want to know.
Well so far the "experts" are 100% wrong on the 03' Give you a hint, it came from the USMA @ West Point in the 1920s and NOTHING on it predates that. LMAO at the "experts"
As for the 7mm08, look up 276 Pedersen. Interesting story.
Lots of DNSers here who confirm Lincoln's famous warning.
BTW: How do you know the group size if you only shoot 3 shots? How do you know if you ain't luckin' the 3rd shot in? Or if you have a load capable of a 6" group. You are friggin amazing.
You failed to read my post thoroughly before commenting on it. I say to shoot 3 shots to find the point of impact. Then I say, once you have the POI where you want it at the hunting range you want it, shoot at least 5 shots at 100 yards for a group, to check the accuracy or you, your rifle, and your ammunition.
Maybe you need someone to sight in your rifle for you.
Hey lee not that your here who was your CO when you were on the AMU in 1968? Surely that is not to classified and on record someplace, because as of now there are two people that were on that team that have no recollection of someone even close to you being on it.
I didn't have a CO at Fort Benning when I shot there the first time in 1968. And I don't believe "varmintsinc" knows anyone who was there. But he is welcomed to search the web and try to find some names as if he does.
BTW: How do you know the group size if you only shoot 3 shots? How do you know if you ain't luckin' the 3rd shot in? Or if you have a load capable of a 6" group. You are friggin amazing.
You failed to read my post thoroughly before commenting on it. I say to shoot 3 shots to find the point of impact. Then I say, once you have the POI where you want it at the hunting range you want it, shoot at least 5 shots at 100 yards for a group, to check the accuracy or you, your rifle, and your ammunition.
Maybe you need someone to sight in your rifle for you.
Got it. You available?
I'd still like to see getting a rifle on 100 yard paper with 3 shots. Of course I am assuming you bore sight the rifle at least. Or do you just lay your hands on it and proclaim it done?
I didn't have a CO at Fort Benning when I shot there the first time in 1968. And I don't believe "varmintsinc" knows anyone who was there. But he is welcomed to search the web and try to find some names as if he does.
"Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental disorder that is characterized by holding one or more non-bizarre delusions[1] in the absence of any other significant psychopathology. Non-bizarre delusions are fixed beliefs that are certainly and definitely false, but that could possibly be plausible, for example, someone who thinks he or she is under police surveillance. In order for the diagnosis to be made auditory and visual hallucinations cannot be prominent, although olfactory or tactile hallucinations related to the content of the delusion may be present.[2] To be diagnosed with delusional disorder, the delusion or delusions cannot be due to the effects of a drug, medication, or general medical condition, and delusional disorder cannot be diagnosed in an individual previously diagnosed with schizophrenia. A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) defines six subtypes of the disorder characterized as erotomanic, grandiose, jealous, persecutory, somatic, and mixed, i.e., having features of more than one subtypes.[2] Delusions also occur as symptoms of many other mental disorders, especially the other psychotic disorders."
Amazing Lee, you are so far in denial I am almost at lost for words. Try hanging out someplace like Snipershide, there are plenty of former AMU people over there that are more than happy to share what they know about who was there and when. I quite specifically have a forum member over there that is well recognized says he can remember everyone that was on the AMU anywhere around that time period.
I explained to him that you typically play virtual dodgeball and he said if you cannot at least provide some information you should be dismissed as an imposter. He also said asking for a DD214 is way to much due to concern for identity theft but you first two letters and next four digits of your service number or even your MOS would be enough. Will you even come out and say you were in the service or will it now become some type of civilian consultant job you had that allowed you to shoot at Ft. Benning?
And yes I have a name and he has given me permission to post it as a means of shutting you up.
varmint, are you playing the same game as VAnimrod and others who claimed to "know someone big", then not ever post it for 2 years?
The only reason you folks try to make things personal is because you want to be argumentative, but you cannot argue with the facts. That's your game. I am not playing your game. I am posting reality.
I didn't have a CO at Fort Benning when I shot there the first time in 1968. And I don't believe "varmintsinc" knows anyone who was there. But he is welcomed to search the web and try to find some names as if he does.
Lee didn't have a CO...he was the C.O.
He's tip-toeing around the edge of falsely claiming military service and trying not to step over the line. Of course, we all know he was never anywhere near AMU....but now he's caught up in his lie.
He also said he had drill recently. Another lie. Unless he's a 65 year old reservist. Well, 165 by his resume.
When a U.S.M.C. sniper visits Fort Benning, who is his CO? When a U.S.M.C. sniper trains at Fort Benning, who is his CO? When a ROTC team shoots at Fort Benning, who is their CO?
Just like libel and slander, its a bit more complex than you think it is.
When a U.S.M.C. sniper visits Fort Benning, who is his CO? When a U.S.M.C. sniper trains at Fort Benning, who is his CO? When a ROTC team shoots at Fort Benning, who is their CO?
Just like libel and slander, its a bit more complex than you think it is.
Some how this is germane to verifying your claims on attendance?
varmint, are you playing the same game as VAnimrod and others who claimed to "know someone big", then not ever post it for 2 years?
The only reason you folks try to make things personal is because you want to be argumentative, but you cannot argue with the facts. That's your game. I am not playing your game. I am posting reality.
No lee just just trying to confirm one thing you have claimed multiple times. Just like everything else as soon as someone starts to pin you down you will try to reestablish what you said or somehow try to pass it off.
And it was not real tough, I just posted a simple question on another forum and they were more than happy to point me in the right direction of what questions to ask. The fact that you are backing away from the simpliest of questions only serves to reinforce you are a fraud.
Lee knows the answer to his 3 questions he postulated. A not so clever dodge. I could call my cousin - a 20 year E8 enlisted marine. I'm guessing I could know the answer as well........
Why don't you just post the names you claim to have? If you want to be personal, be personal about yourself, while I continue to discuss facts about real topics with the adults.
Boy, hillbillybear, that must be the highlight of your day, acting tough on the Internet for some trolls.
C'mon you lying SOB I dare you to do something. Sue me, threaten to sue me or do something besides be a psychotic little peckerwood who hides behind a computer screen.
I have seen enough of your insane horseshit. Put up or shut up.
Well Lee since I have never claimed to be on the AMU I dont really see what there is to say. If you want to prove I have a .243 that is a 1/2moa rifle your free to come up to Sac and watch the matches every month.
The issue at hand is you have claimed in other post to have shot on the AMU at Ft. Benning in 1968. Now you seem to be retracting that and even implicating you were there as a Marine Sniper. Now only minutes lateer you seem to be retracting that as well. If you were either one I would give you the utmost respect, but since you skirt the issue I am left with the suggestion of others that were on the AMU and that is to ignore anything else that comes from you.
" A rifle that does not shoot near the calculated trajectory needs tuning, or it will likely be limited to only one load, because it will throw other loads to another point."
And why the heck would I freely give out the information your desperately trying to find? It really was not that difficult to find by asking the right people.
"Desperately trying to find" secret information from varmintsinc and a dozen other Campfire trolls who claim to have secret sources. LOL!!
The posts I made here on the thread topic credit the military photographers, the soldiers with their weapons, the military manuals cited, and officers quoted. That's the facts you folks cannot dispute. You just want to argue, but you are firing blanks.
Boy, hillbillybear, that must be the highlight of your day, acting tough on the Internet for some trolls.
C'mon you lying SOB I dare you to do something. Sue me, threaten to sue me or do something besides be a psychotic little peckerwood who hides behind a computer screen.
I have seen enough of your insane horseshit. Put up or shut up.
Welcome to the "club" of those who tire of the internet troll. It would be easier to ignore him but he has a habit of getting under your skin with his artful dodging and claims. I think its much harder for those of us who give people the benefit of the doubt when they state things. I was on the fence with Lee for a long time but after enough observation - much of which is on display in this particular thread - I became a memeber of the "picking on Lee club". The guy just plain ole pisses me off with his dodging. It is somewhat entertaining to see him bob and weave questions and his claims.
And why the heck would I freely give out the information your desperately trying to find? It really was not that difficult to find by asking the right people.
Well, there are lots of 'whys' that could be asked about ole Lee24 and the spewing, slobbering assoicated with him....but, here's my why. Why not give the man credit where due? He plays y'all like chumps!!
Dude nobody is even on that anymore. This is focused on a simple question. Did you serve in the armed forces, if so what branch? Your the one making all of the claims not me, I lead a pretty simple life and its easy to keep track of.
And as I posted above it was not a secret, all I did was go on another forum heavily participated on by military people and they gave plenty of information on how to weasle you out. The fact that you have done everything they said you would do only futher secures that your a fraud.
I have never shot there or even been there, but I never claimed I have either....and yes I do think it becomes pertinent when the thread is about US military sniper rifles and their ammunition.
Since you are claiming all of the expertise it kind of falls on you to provide some credibility. Like I said the more you waffle on this the worse it gets. And yes it has been a great help, having never been in the service it has been quite educating to have service memebers telling me how to sniff out a fraud and it looks like it worked pretty well.
Rule #1 they offered is that if they are proud of their service they should happily offer their branch, unit and years of service, all of which you have sidestepped completely.
I really don't care about the personal lives of those who can't discuss the subject matter.
the alleged personal life of those who claim hands on experience, who have implied military service, and who have explicitly claimed to have shot on the AMU team forty years ago is extremely relevant.....and your failure to provide it further brands you as a liar and a laughingstock
What was so childish? No foul language and I have given you multiple opportunities to admit with pride what your service record was. I even said I would give your responses significantly more credibiity if you could confirm some sort of service record, in particular as related to this thread.
Im not imagining anything, Im just trying to figure out everything you post and sort through it.
Rule #1 they offered is that if they are proud of their service they should happily offer their branch, unit and years of service, all of which you have sidestepped completely.
Got me there, I guess I like to stay with topics I can offer personal experince with. Like in the .357 thread I brought up what I have seen in the field regarding frangible ammo or birshot.
Still trying to figure out why you will not admit with any pride if you served in the service.
The trolls always play the game of denying the facts, then demanding credentials from those who post the facts.
But they don't really care about credentials, which is obvious from the way they dismiss military manuals, studies, documents, first-hand accounts, official histories, and opinions of combatants and officers.
No one has enough credentials to satisfy the trolls who are just playing rhetorical games to smoke screen their lack of subject matter knowledge. Whenever experts are presented to back up the facts they don't like, they will shift to another line of personal attack.
Whats bluffing? Your the one that has offered up many times that you were AMU but when asked about it you declined to give answers once you realized they could be confirmed or denied.
The trolls always play the game of denying the facts, then demanding credentials from those who post the facts.
But they don't really care about credentials, which is obvious from the way they dismiss military manuals, studies, documents, first-hand accounts, official histories, and opinions of combatants and officers.
You JUST described your own behavior..
YOU are the biggest troll on this website. And a truly disrespectfull P.O.S. to even start such a bogus thread on the "ask the gunwriters forum".
Because TROLL, you are NEITHER a gunwriter NOR asking a question of one.
Now you sink low enough to pose as a former serviceman..
When a ROTC team shoots at Fort Benning, who is their CO?
Varmintsinc,
You forgot the third option. Lee24 was probably an LT in an ROTC unit that happened to spend a weekend outing at Ft. Benning either on the same range with, or getting a shooting demonstration from, the AMU.
Most here who actually have served are willing to tell about it, and poseurs like Lee24 are found out in short order to have had no service experience at all, except maybe in the ROTC. If Lee24 was ever in the service, it's a sure bet that he was a bonafide Section 8, and bounced out most rikki tik.
The trolls always play the game of denying the facts, then demanding credentials from those who post the facts.
But they don't really care about credentials, which is obvious from the way they dismiss military manuals, studies, documents, first-hand accounts, official histories, and opinions of combatants and officers.
No one has enough credentials to satisfy the trolls who are just playing rhetorical games to smoke screen their lack of subject matter knowledge. Whenever experts are presented to back up the facts they don't like, they will shift to another line of personal attack.
Sooo...everybody here is a troll??? Except YOU right? Dude.... you are either seriously [bleep] up in the head or you're collecting data for your doctoral thesis. OH WAIT!!! I REALLY meant your third or fourth...
There is still the claim of doing Chemical Engineering work on the PSA test... And the fact the people that actually did the work say no one remotely resembling Lee did any such work. No one from Lee's part of the country did any work on it. No private consultants were involved with any part claimed by Lee...
They seem to resent someone else claiming their work...
Ya gotta love all the draft dodgers and other service avoiders crappin on someone they have no facts on.
I am curious why you have a Navy Commendation medal on your ribbon bar and why you would think it would rank below anything else on the bar.
Pugs, that's not a Navy commendation medal. That's an Air Force marksman ribbon. A very common ribbon just requiring a marksman score on any smal arms qualification.
Pugs which one do you think has anything to do with the Navy? All are USAF. L>R DUC, ND, SEA and USAF expert marksman.
PSA test is REQUIRED for all men over 40 (IMO) as it's an way to observe and track the absence of or development of prostate cancer. PSA of 4 or over, it's time for a biopsy. Mine hovered in the low 3s for years and then started up. First three biopsies came back clean. 4th (2006) said cancer. On 11/06 out it came (radical open field method)(most foolproof). PSA @ 0 since then as it should be. Yes there are side effects but death from this cancer is one of the worst ways to go and kills more men than breast cancer does women.
Pugs which one do you think has anything to do with the Navy? All are USAF. L>R DUC, ND, SEA and USAF expert marksman.
PSA test is REQUIRED for all men over 40 (IMO) as it's an way to observe and track the absence of or development of prostate cancer. PSA of 4 or over, it's time for a biopsy. Mine hovered in the low 3s for years and then started up. First three biopsies came back clean. 4th (2006) said cancer. On 11/06 out it came (radical open field method)(most foolproof). PSA @ 0 since then as it should be. Yes there are side effects but death from this cancer is one of the worst ways to go and kills more men than breast cancer does women.
we should all thank God that Lee, with his medical, legal, and engineering skills was uniquely qualified to invent such a test.
Steve Except there is a little problem... There is a local guy that did some work on the actual test... And knows all of the principals involved. He says no one like Lee was involved in any way.
Another little problem is the guy with his name on the study is now not convinced it is a truly worthy test. art
Steve Except there is a little problem... There is a local guy that did some work on the actual test... And knows all of the principals involved. He says no one like Lee was involved in any way.
Another little problem is the guy with his name on the study is now not convinced it is a truly worthy test. art
I go away to work out (yes with kettlebells and a run) and all of a sudden were on prostrate screening. Oldman Im glad it worked out for you regardless of who designed the test.
Except there is a little problem... There is a local guy that did some work on the actual test... And knows all of the principals involved. He says no one like Lee was involved in any way.
Who is dumb enough to believe such baloney? All trolls, shout, "Aye!"
Except there is a little problem... There is a local guy that did some work on the actual test... And knows all of the principals involved. He says no one like Lee was involved in any way.
Who is dumb enough to believe such baloney? All trolls, shout, "Aye!"
For all us unenlightened adults, it comes down to hearsay versus hearsay.
In such circumstances, the credibility of the source is paramount.
As such, trivial things like belittling people as not being worthy of the privilege of proof renders you quite low, sir.
Except there is a little problem... There is a local guy that did some work on the actual test... And knows all of the principals involved. He says no one like Lee was involved in any way.
Who is dumb enough to believe such baloney? All trolls, shout, "Aye!"
Exactly what I was thinking as I read your very first post on this thread..
Except there is a little problem... There is a local guy that did some work on the actual test... And knows all of the principals involved. He says no one like Lee was involved in any way.
Who is dumb enough to believe such baloney? All trolls, shout, "Aye!"
Lee, I have to give you credit. You have developed dodging the question into an artform. But you have missed your calling. You should have become a politician. Your ability to dodge and weave and disseminate lies must have our members of Congress green with envy.
Looks like all those who claim to have secret sources who can refute me are the ones dodging. The information is so secret, they cannot even post it.
I post facts, and the idiots cry, "It can't be!", but they can't explain why, because they don't know.
Originally Posted by RWE
...the credibility of the source is paramount
So you are willing to accept the word of someone posting under the pseudonym of "sitka_deer" that he doesn't understand the subject, but he has a secret source who says I didn't do such and such engineering project.
Boy, that's a real hot source there. LOL!! I can see why he doesn't use his real name. But don't call him or his secret pal "credible sources".
How can you critisize someone for posting under a pseudonym when you do the same thing. You seem more concerned with hiding your identity and your location than anyone else.
Good. See if you can get the others who are unable to discuss gun topics in an adult manner to also not respond to me and the others who are posting real knowledge. Thanks in advance.
Lee if you cannot answer something as simple as a yes or no if you served in the US military there is no hope for ever getting anything out of you.
Just imagine the credibility you could have had when the entire world called you full of crap regarding the Model 70. All you had to do was post a simple photo and make many members of the fire eat crow. Instead you choose to throw any credibility you had into a giant bonfire with every post you made giving a reason why you could not post it.
This has pretty much gone down the same road and you walk away will less credibility than when you started.
Good. See if you can get the others who are unable to discuss gun topics in an adult manner to also not respond to me and the others who are posting real knowledge. Thanks in advance.
...Dude...WTF DON'T you understand??? If THAT were to happen you'd be posting & talking to yourself...
Well, you guys are running through the usual cycle of content-free posts:
"It ain't so!" "No one can do that!" "Well, YOU can't do it." I dare you to ______ threats crying to Rick Bin to get rid of the mean old posters recycling of previous dares, lies, and threats irrelevant brag photos
COMING UP NEXT .... Posters using photos of Special Olympics children cheesecake photos appealing to 15-year-old boys
I'm wondering, how many more posts we'll have to endure before you guys become the Campfire Bwana's of Bullschit? Come on guys, I posted about a rifle that needed serious peer review INCLUDING PHOTOS, How about either putting up or Shutting The [bleep] Up. Grow some stones and post the [bleep] picture
OK, I really try to be fair. I will post to you one last time, so I'm full of crap too, I guess. Anyway, I've just posted long enough to see one simple matter. This 25 yd. thing is just wrong. Works OK with Garand sights, not so much with a high scope where you have to keep your head up. Pretty well known in the sillouhette game. Yet, you post crap about barrel vibrations. You know that 1/30" (2 inches at 100 yards, or 2 MOA) is less than 0.010" at 25 yards. How do you measure that precisely? Sorry, but, I'm now done.
Hi. Where is it? I would love to see it, but obviously I've missed it. I may not be able to help, but I'll try. Btw, I ain't no Bwana by any stretch, but I do enjoy honest coversations about guns and hunting.
Well, you guys are running through the usual cycle of content-free posts:
"It ain't so!" "No one can do that!" "Well, YOU can't do it." I dare you to ______ threats crying to Rick Bin to get rid of the mean old posters recycling of previous dares, lies, and threats irrelevant brag photos
Well feel free to offer us something about your military or AMU experience and then we will have some content to discuss.
Had it here on the ask the gunwriter forum but I screwed up and deleted the photos on my photobucket acct. not realizing they would be deleted on the thread also. I'm willing to admit that I'm still crawling with some of this internet schit. I wont live long enough to be a google-fu master like whatever those two yaahoos want to call themselves and their expertise of the day is.
Greenville, SC is where the receivers for the new Model 70s are made, and the receivers for the FN tactical rifles, so I guess it is okay to mention them in this thread, even though they are used in Europe.
Except there is a little problem... There is a local guy that did some work on the actual test... And knows all of the principals involved. He says no one like Lee was involved in any way.
Who is dumb enough to believe such baloney? All trolls, shout, "Aye!"
Lee Anyone can Google the PSA test and get a list of contributors to start with. I did not have to go that far. I offered you the opportunity to name my source because IF you had worked on the PSA test you WOULD know his name from the hint I gave.
There is no reason to list names here in the open and give you something to latch on to. Fact is he has proof of what he did and you have offered nothing. He says you were not involved and no one coming close to your description was involved.
For some reason I have difficulty disbelieving him... You, not so much... They would like to know who you are so they can send you a little legal notice about making claims on their research. art
Greenville, SC is where the receivers for the new Model 70s are made, and the receivers for the FN tactical rifles, so I guess it is okay to mention them in this thread, even though they are used in Europe.
If I remember correctly lee did not claim to be Infanrty. Most all the AMU shooters are a particular MOS which I do not recall he was. I have a few friend that shot for the AMU past and present. As with all small units they are defined as "small".
Either Lee is the most f'ed up individual in the world or the funniest only time will tell. I have never seen someone stand behind so much BS in my life. Lee you are the baddest MF'er on the planet. I will be totally honest I don't know that much and I come on here to learn about guns and custom rifles but it only takes reading a couple of your post to figure out you are full of shcit dude give it up you making a complete jack a55 of your self and taking down some poor old man with you. Gobble
Still waiting for you EXPERTS to ID those 03s'. So busy whining that Lee won't roll over to your demands for this or that, that you so far off topic, you're gonna fall off your flat earth.
And NOBODY, least of all some bunch of wet behind the ear brats are gonna "take me down".
BTW, your dumb Krauts are not flying a finger four, so they'll never see the other three Spits coming to cut up the 109s and then, at their leisure, splash the hapless Ju 87s.
Still waiting for you EXPERTS to ID those 03s'. So busy whining that Lee won't roll over to your demands for this or that, that you so far off topic, you're gonna fall off your flat earth.
And NOBODY, least of all some bunch of wet behind the ear brats are gonna "take me down".
BTW, your dumb Krauts are not flying a finger four, so they'll never see the other three Spits coming to cut up the 109s and then, at their leisure, splash the hapless Ju 87s.
Lee, you do know that "Arnold Strong" isn't a real name, right? Just a test? Show me one bodybuilding contest that was won by "Arnold Strong".
R.
Originally Posted by Lee24
"Arnold Strong" was a stage name, used by several circus strong men. This was from the era of P.T. Barnum and all these men used kettle bells for work outs and for exhibitions.
Wow Lee,you missed that one by a mile."Arnold Strong" was the screen name for Arnold Schwarzenegger when he first came to America,specificly when he made the film "Hercules in New York".The producers felt that his name was too long,and stuck him with the "Strong" name,which didn't stick.
Your Google-fu seriously failed you on that one.The fact that I didn't even need Google to answer that,just goes to show how much useless information I have on tap. (grin)
Looks like all those who claim to have secret sources who can refute me are the ones dodging. The information is so secret, they cannot even post it.
I post facts, and the idiots cry, "It can't be!", but they can't explain why, because they don't know.
Originally Posted by RWE
...the credibility of the source is paramount
So you are willing to accept the word of someone posting under the pseudonym of "sitka_deer" that he doesn't understand the subject, but he has a secret source who says I didn't do such and such engineering project.
Boy, that's a real hot source there. LOL!! I can see why he doesn't use his real name. But don't call him or his secret pal "credible sources".
Lee - ah..... one huge difference - many of us have actually talked to and met "Sitka_Deer". SK is a credible source on the 'Fire. A novel concept - he has backed up all of his claims on things he has stated. For example, we got into a discussion on the use of epoxy for re-finishing gunstocks. I asked alot of questions, had some back and forth because I was a bit skeptical of his claims. Turns out he provided facts, pictures - and sound guidance on the topic. I learned much from the man.
You on the other hand make outlandish claims, fail to back anything up, then proceed to call the rest of us doubters idtios, trolls, etc.
Like I've said before to you - you get treated in the manner in which you deserve. The whole 24 hour campfire is against you - YOU apparently think you are the sole onwer of all that is correct in this world. You are a Troll of the first order.
sitka_deer isn't disputing anything in this thread about the topic. He is trying to gin up something personal, loosely based on the subject. He has done the same thing in other threads where he did not have much knowledge of, or interest in, the subject matter.
As with the others, sitka_deer holds a grudge for disagreements with me in some other topic which was their pet subject. Rather than just having a difference of opinion, they all tried to dispute facts, which they could not do, because they are facts, and published in scientific and in industry journals.
Sitka_deer is sore because I made some recommendations on building and finishing gunstocks, based on my personal experiences growing walnut, buying and selling walnut, building gunstocks and furniture for 45 years, and designing and building custom CNC machines for woodworking. If he wants to post his opinions on stocks, fine. But when he starts calling someone a liar and a fraud, and then I show him the facts about woods and finishes from the U.S. Forestry Service and the finish manufacturers, he needs to at least stop, even if he cannot bring himself to admit he was wrong and apologize.
Sitka_deer is sore because I made some recommendations on building and finishing gunstocks, based on my personal experiences growing walnut, buying and selling walnut, building gunstocks and furniture for 45 years, and designing and building custom CNC machines for woodworking. If he wants to post his opinions on stocks, fine. But when he starts calling someone a liar and a fraud, and then I show him the facts about woods and finishes from the U.S. Forestry Service and the finish manufacturers, he needs to at least stop, even if he cannot bring himself to admit he was wrong and apologize.
"Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental disorder that is characterized by holding one or more non-bizarre delusions[1] in the absence of any other significant psychopathology. Non-bizarre delusions are fixed beliefs that are certainly and definitely false, but that could possibly be plausible, for example, someone who thinks he or she is under police surveillance. In order for the diagnosis to be made auditory and visual hallucinations cannot be prominent, although olfactory or tactile hallucinations related to the content of the delusion may be present.[2] To be diagnosed with delusional disorder, the delusion or delusions cannot be due to the effects of a drug, medication, or general medical condition, and delusional disorder cannot be diagnosed in an individual previously diagnosed with schizophrenia. A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) defines six subtypes of the disorder characterized as erotomanic, grandiose, jealous, persecutory, somatic, and mixed, i.e., having features of more than one subtypes.[2] Delusions also occur as symptoms of many other mental disorders, especially the other psychotic disorders."
Sitka_deer is sore because I made some recommendations on building and finishing gunstocks, based on my personal experiences growing walnut, buying and selling walnut, building gunstocks and furniture for 45 years, and designing and building custom CNC machines for woodworking. If he wants to post his opinions on stocks, fine. But when he starts calling someone a liar and a fraud, and then I show him the facts about woods and finishes from the U.S. Forestry Service and the finish manufacturers, he needs to at least stop, even if he cannot bring himself to admit he was wrong and apologize.
sitka_deer isn't disputing anything in this thread about the topic. He is trying to gin up something personal, loosely based on the subject. He has done the same thing in other threads where he did not have much knowledge of, or interest in, the subject matter.
As with the others, sitka_deer holds a grudge for disagreements with me in some other topic which was their pet subject. Rather than just having a difference of opinion, they all tried to dispute facts, which they could not do, because they are facts, and published in scientific and in industry journals.
Sitka_deer is sore because I made some recommendations on building and finishing gunstocks, based on my personal experiences growing walnut, buying and selling walnut, building gunstocks and furniture for 45 years, and designing and building custom CNC machines for woodworking. If he wants to post his opinions on stocks, fine. But when he starts calling someone a liar and a fraud, and then I show him the facts about woods and finishes from the U.S. Forestry Service and the finish manufacturers, he needs to at least stop, even if he cannot bring himself to admit he was wrong and apologize.
Can certainly say I'd trust someone that works with stocks a lot, over a federal entity... heck I have proven, if to no one else than myself(though a fair amount of competitors agree) that even things like moly tests by Sierra's Kevin Thomas are flawed....
Art has done stocks for some time, has good info, and has posted pictures of his work. I'd like to see what you've done Lee, thats better and works better, some input on finishes and photos of 45 years worth of work on wood stocks.
Lee you must have never slept in your life. You found time to build and design bridges, Expert Marksmen in the military, at least ten majors including a law degree of some sort, world class hiker, body builder, wood worker for 45 years, Gun designer and maker, gun collector "of guns no one has seen does not exist" , Military rifle expert, I cannot believe you have time to spend on the fire with us dumb a55's
.....based on my personal experiences growing walnut, buying and selling walnut, building gunstocks and furniture for 45 years....
LMAO. He not only does the woodwork, he grows walnut. How long does it take for a walnut tree to yield good wood for stocks?
Don't you guys get it, he's just laying one outlandish claim upon the other, waiting for someone to challenge him BECAUSE HE LOVES THIS STUFF!!! I won't try to tell you guys what to do, wouldn't do any good if I did, but.....
The majority of my soldiers qualify expert on their rifles every year. I promise it is not a big deal as much as an expectation. Qualifying expert in no way is an invitation to the AMU. But I'm sure most everyone already understands that. ;-)
smokepole, some walnut trees planted by my grandfather in 1910 are about ready to cut.
I have no quarrel with sitka_deer's personal preference for refinishing gunstocks. That is a matter of taste. There are 100 other ways to do it, and many just as good or better in many facets of durability, look, and ease.
Refinishing a few gunstocks has no bearing on how to grade, cure, saw, or use black walnut to make a gunstock from scratch.
sitka_deer isn't disputing anything in this thread about the topic. He is trying to gin up something personal, loosely based on the subject. He has done the same thing in other threads where he did not have much knowledge of, or interest in, the subject matter.
As with the others, sitka_deer holds a grudge for disagreements with me in some other topic which was their pet subject. Rather than just having a difference of opinion, they all tried to dispute facts, which they could not do, because they are facts, and published in scientific and in industry journals.
Sitka_deer is sore because I made some recommendations on building and finishing gunstocks, based on my personal experiences growing walnut, buying and selling walnut, building gunstocks and furniture for 45 years, and designing and building custom CNC machines for woodworking. If he wants to post his opinions on stocks, fine. But when he starts calling someone a liar and a fraud, and then I show him the facts about woods and finishes from the U.S. Forestry Service and the finish manufacturers, he needs to at least stop, even if he cannot bring himself to admit he was wrong and apologize.
You have once again played dodge to the essence of the discussion.
Your original point was to the credibility of some guy named "sitka_deer". I affirmatively demonstrated to you that "sitka_deer" is a known commodity - complete wth verifiable name, address, phone number, and persona. You on the other hand are an internet persona dreamed by someone adept at deception.
The sad part still remains - even if you have accomplished all/most/some of what you claim, you have still alienated yourself from the 'Fire members. But of course that means nothing to you.
Which is why you still keep posting...............
Sitka_deer is sore because I made some recommendations on building and finishing gunstocks, based on my personal experiences growing walnut, buying and selling walnut, building gunstocks and furniture for 45 years, and designing and building custom CNC machines for woodworking.
for those who are counting, I believe the "walnut grower" and "gunstock maker" careers are the eighth and ninth fantasy careers of our local jackass.
Sitka Deer has more knowledge about gunstocks in his little finger than you and your google fu ever will have, Liar.
I am a well known grower of osage orange. I make gunstocks from the osage orange that i grow. I am pretty sure that lee24's sc .375 model 70 is stocked with wood from a osage orange tree that i grew. The stock is roll stamped made in sc. I cant show the pictures because!!!!!!!!!!! Well you know. Gotta go I hear choppers coming I knew I shouldnt of brought this up.
bwinters, if you want to believe someone using a pseudonym "sitka_deer" that he has secret sources he cannot reveal, but who can refute my personal knowledge military sniper rifles and, in medical device research.... go ahead and kid yourself.
For those, like Steve, who don't know, walnut trees do not require you to watch them grow. They will grow while you do another job. And you can cut them and make them into furniture and gunstocks as a hobby, while you still keep that full time job going.
I assumed some of you had at least a minimum experience with work, trees, and guns as a hobby to figure all this out. My mistake.
Of course you and others here just may like this as your kind of entertainment. If so, that's fine.
Stress makes people do things they may regret.
But I can call Lee a dickweasel without any remorse, as he is not real. It does relieve stress, and is more effective than kicking dogs and beating children.
If I find out later that he is in fact real, I'll apologize.
RWE, my posts on the subjects are real enough that you cannot dispute them. That is why you and the other trolls avoid the subject and launch into personal attacks.
C'mon folks, we're about to trip 100 pages! Don't let up now! I planted some walnut trees at the beginning of this thread, sorry, have to go out and harvest them.
Even my Physics professors handed me CV's at the beginning of class.
As a lowly freshmen, I was entitled to their credentials before any facts were disseminated. Even the stuff that they "posted" from other "sources".
You have the expectation that people need to accept your personal achievements because you ride the coattails of other people's information, the validity of which is inconsequential to your assertions.
Your worthless as a point source.
Yeah yeah, avoid the topic, and personal attacks. Troll this, troll that.
It's laughable.
You are quite guilty of the same childishness and petty avoidance issues, so I have no problem with mindless banter.
reading one of your threads is like reading Shakespeare. Sometimes its a comedy, sometimes a tragedy. Sometimes both...
But I can't separate the wheat from the chaff, and in your case, don't know who the farmer is either.
Again, you can blindly point to all the outside sources you want, but if you're going to cite your walnut growing, condo engineering, proctology experience, than you need to pony up some verification. Otherwise, just type the links.
Originally Posted by Lee24
As always, if you could discuss the thread topic, you wouldn't be yammering about your college courses, your dog, etc.
And by the way, who does more yammerin about their college courses? Law school, med school, night school engineer?
As always, if you could discuss the thread topic, you wouldn't be yammering about your college courses, your dog, etc.
But you have! and yet have provided no evidence of your credentials, papers or articles submitted for peer review to earn those credentials,or anything to back up your claims of some uber inteligence you think you possess, You've managed to plagerize the internet and respin it as though you actualy wrote it or invented it yourself. Narcissistic, Self Grandizing behavior at best, you need real help.
bwinters, if you want to believe someone using a pseudonym "sitka_deer" that he has secret sources he cannot reveal, but who can refute my personal knowledge military sniper rifles and, in medical device research.... go ahead and kid yourself.
For those, like Steve, who don't know, walnut trees do not require you to watch them grow. They will grow while you do another job. And you can cut them and make them into furniture and gunstocks as a hobby, while you still keep that full time job going.
I assumed some of you had at least a minimum experience with work, trees, and guns as a hobby to figure all this out. My mistake.
Ah, but you think my sources are secret? There are many here that know exactly who I am referencing. I make no secret of the fact. If you had done what you claimed you would know my "secret" source, too. I even gave a huge fat clue to identify my "secret" so there would be no doubt. You clearly have no clue because you did not consult as a chemical engineer on any part of the PSA test.
As to walnut, you are the one unable to Google walnut information... Relying on your walnut delusions as fact is really pretty sad.
How about you PM a phone number and time to call and I will call on my dime and you can see I do indeed exist... art
BlackDog, I cited as references military histories, manuals, experts, and eyewitness accounts of the officers and soldiers.
My personal experience and knowledge from 40 years of collecting military arms, and some service, is just my entre' into those indisputable sources. I wasn't there in WWI or 1926, or WWII, but I know where to find the facts. If you can find other facts, go do it.
sitka, there is no nice way to say it. I think you are totally fabricating your tale about your secret friend who worked on some portion of some PSA test. Even if it were true, it is irrelevant, as are most of your attempts at self-aggrandizement.
Lee is that your picture with the big catfish? I am interested in dumbell rows. I can only do about 50 pounds each arm about 15 times x 3. 120 pound dumbbell rows are pretty impressive.
I don't mean anything by this, but expert on a military course of fire a right handed man could do left handed blindfolded almost.... Heck the first military match I ever shot and recieved a card from was expert. And I SUCKED at shooting.
sitka, there is no nice way to say it. I think you are totally fabricating your tale about your secret friend who worked on some portion of some PSA test. Even if it were true, it is irrelevant, as are most of your attempts at self-aggrandizement.
Can you imagine a reality (un-reality?) show starring Lee? You could run it 24/7 and people wouldn't be able to turn it off.
Actually, Lee, you said that fairly nicely. Completely baying at the moon, drooling, eyes rolling up into your head loony, but pretty nice considering.
sitka, there is no nice way to say it. I think you are totally fabricating your tale about your secret friend who worked on some portion of some PSA test. Even if it were true, it is irrelevant, as are most of your attempts at self-aggrandizement.
You need to call him because I know for a FACT that Art does indeed exist and know's his [bleep]. Why won't you do it? Are you scared or something? Honestly, why do you continue to make yourself look like a liar when all you have to do is offer up some proof like others have asked you to do?
For those, like Steve, who don't know, walnut trees do not require you to watch them grow. They will grow while you do another job. And you can cut them and make them into furniture and gunstocks as a hobby, while you still keep that full time job going.
so when you say you are a walnut grower and stock maker, what you really meant was that your grandpappy had some land with walnut trees on it. that about it? not that I even believe that.
SU...I've had him on ignore for months, on principle, but I have a sick need to see what lying idiocies he has put up, so I click on the post.....and then, I have to respond...and....yes, it is a sickness. If we could get a pact up that absolutely noone would respond, except Loco putting up the definition of delusion to warn newbies, that might be the way to go.
SU...I've had him on ignore for months, on principle, but I have a sick need to see what lying idiocies he has put up, so I click on the post.....and then, I have to respond...and....yes, it is a sickness. If we could get a pact up that absolutely noone would respond, except Loco putting up the definition of delusion to warn newbies, that might be the way to go.
, and some service, is just my entre' into those indisputable sources
So where you or were you not in the US military? Like I said before, I was advised the number one way of smelling out someone faking military service is to ask what branch, what unit and what time period. Anyone not proud enough to give the most basic information is a fraud and the reason they will not provide it is because it will be easy enough to dispute. Anyone who dodges the question completely simply has no pride in themselves or is a fraud plain and simple.
I even found a CO as recent as 2003-2006 over on snipershide that is willing to search by name or service number to confirm if Lee was on the AMU as he has claimed. I will not hold by breath on that to avoid hypoxia or hyperfusion (Yes lee I added the last bit just for you and your medical school).
BlackDog, I cited as references military histories, manuals, experts, and eyewitness accounts of the officers and soldiers.
My personal experience and knowledge from 40 years of collecting military arms, and some service, is just my entre' into those indisputable sources. I wasn't there in WWI or 1926, or WWII, but I know where to find the facts. If you can find other facts, go do it.
As I already pointed out, you are plagiarizing the works of others and spinning it. You offer no substantive material of your own to back up your claims,published or not.Instead of trying to be the forum search engine of questionability how about providing some documentation of your inimitable skill and intelligence. On another note, instead of threatening others on the forum by sending pm"s to Rick, how about petitioning Rick for your own "SPECIAL" Column instead of posting all your bullschit here. May I suggest in your petition to Rick that you call it "ASK MR. KNOWITALL", my apologies to Rocky and Bullwinkle forthwith.
how about petitioning Rick for your own "SPECIAL" Column instead of posting all your bullschit here. May I suggest in your petition to Rick that you call it "ASK MR. KNOWITALL", my apologies to Rocky and Bullwinkle forthwith.
how about petitioning Rick for your own "SPECIAL" Column instead of posting all your bullschit here. May I suggest in your petition to Rick that you call it "ASK MR. KNOWITALL", my apologies to Rocky and Bullwinkle forthwith.
Sheer genius. A quarrantine, as it were.
Thanks Rufus,I thought it might be better to contain the VIRUS than all of us having to stand in line to get shots
sitka_deer isn't disputing anything in this thread about the topic. He is trying to gin up something personal, loosely based on the subject. He has done the same thing in other threads where he did not have much knowledge of, or interest in, the subject matter.
As with the others, sitka_deer holds a grudge for disagreements with me in some other topic which was their pet subject. Rather than just having a difference of opinion, they all tried to dispute facts, which they could not do, because they are facts, and published in scientific and in industry journals.
Sitka_deer is sore because I made some recommendations on building and finishing gunstocks, based on my personal experiences growing walnut, buying and selling walnut, building gunstocks and furniture for 45 years, and designing and building custom CNC machines for woodworking. If he wants to post his opinions on stocks, fine. But when he starts calling someone a liar and a fraud, and then I show him the facts about woods and finishes from the U.S. Forestry Service and the finish manufacturers, he needs to at least stop, even if he cannot bring himself to admit he was wrong and apologize.
And, add woodworker and stockmaker to Lee's extensive resume. Man, what an accomplished individual!
BlackDog, (good name) I didn't ask Rick Bin to do anything. I merely sent him links to some of the posts by my attackers, so he can see for himself their unauthorized use of photos, which they altered, making fun of Special Olympics children, their homosexual chatter, and their stalking and fantastic yarns.
If none of you did those things, stop worrying. If some of those who did them are worried, maybe they do know right from wrong. The rest don't know and don't care.
By the way, I suggested long ago that the haters here at this website start their own threads just to libel other posters and brag about themselves. And they have been doing that. They always have at least one or two going, but since no adults come over there, they have to fan out and hijack other topics.
Lee you are the biggest lying SOB I have ever encountered and I used to collect money from world champion level lying welfare queens and homeboys in the projects.
OK Lee24, maybe you are telling the truth and we all are wrong. Let's go-back several months and see the pictures of the 375 H&H that is stamped "Made in Columbia, SC" and establish some credibility.
Then we can go slowly from there and see where else the 'fire members are wrong. Credibiltiy can be repaired.
You in fact threatened a few individuals and in the process you were also spewing forth your half-azz dissertation of slander and libel. As a matter of course you, and I quote, "Cite" references without giving credit to its source or authorship yet try to take some credit for it. That's plagiarism, plain and simple. I can only wonder what sort of half baked line of B.S. you have to answer that. You have an acute case of Diarrhea of the Mouth and a mental condition that requires professional help from a fully LICENSED Health Care Provider that practices above and beyond the scope of your self proclaimed abilities. You'll never 12 step your way past that. I might have to retract that last statement becuse you probably invented that too!!
You in fact threatened a few individuals and in the process you were also spewing forth your half-azz dissertation of slander and libel. As a matter of course you, and I quote, "Cite" references without giving credit to its source or authorship yet try to take some credit for it. That's plagiarism, plain and simple. I can only wonder what sort of half baked line of B.S. you have to answer that. You have an acute case of Diarrhea of the Mouth and a mental condition that requires professional help from a fully LICENSED Health Care Provider that practices above and beyond the scope of your self proclaimed abilities. You'll never 12 step your way past that. I might have to retract that last statement becuse you probably invented that too!!
I suggested long ago that the haters here at this website start their own threads just to libel other posters
nobody talkin' 'bout nobody but you, Lee
don't start your "we" bullshit....and don't pretend its about "other posters"......well, other than maybe your manlover oldman and y'all's adopted hijo Maser.
The trolls jumped right into insulting and threatening so fast, they forgot to read the original posts by some of us with actual experience, first-hand knowledge, and citations to official military documents. Start here for remediation:
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The trolls jumped right into insulting and threatening so fast, they forgot to read the original posts by some of us with actual experience, first-hand knowledge, and citations to official military documents. Start here for remediation:
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Really - maybe you could go back in time and tell me when I started "insulting and threatening so fast". Your BS is what got you in trouble with the 'Fire folks. I find it amazing that most of us on this thread have either met each other, emailed, talked or some other form of communication - long before you showed up on the scene. Obviously, we have "issues" and we're just picking on poor ole Lee.....................
Steve, I have a lot of respect for you and others here.
Why do you bring yourself down to his level by even communicating or commenting on this person?
If we all just put him on ignore he would not gain the attention he so desperately craves. He'll dry up and go away.
Of course you and others here just may like this as your kind of entertainment. If so, that's fine.
I have him on ignore.
SU - you are absolutely correct in your assessment. I find his posts and others reply mostly entertaining because it is so friggin obvious that he is playing a game - and continually gets caught. At other times, I get a bit miffed by his continual BS and dodge game. In the end, I'm always hoping he provides enough info that someone can get a line on his true identity. I'd like to know who is running this ruse.
The trolls jumped right into insulting and threatening so fast, they forgot to read the original posts by some of us with actual experience, first-hand knowledge, and citations to official military documents. Start here for remediation:
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Actual experience eh? Were you a Marine?
I'm sure you know more about that rifle than I do, eh? I just took the freaking picture, but I never read the "official military documents" you cite....
If you served, with who, when, and where? Put up or shut up. People don't look kindly upon those who fake military service.
Because this is a huge game of 'The L24 Mole'. There's alot of tell's/clues being given by Lee and now oldman. He wants to keep talking so he can give clues.
An obvious tell is, Rick calls for everyone to just ignore him. That would be ok for anyone but Rick, if Rick really believed he was that serious of an issue to be ignored, he would just ban him outright. So the fix is in.
Second is all his topics are extreemly obscure. Walking fifty miles in a marathon 45 years ago. Running down the Grand Canyon in July 40 years ago with no details. Having different childhoods including guiding when he was 12 or something. Military sniper rifles in '68. All obscure, only an expert can refute. But he is a constuct as someone else coined, a daffy duck so to speak. All you are arguing with is the imagination of the constructer who purposely leaves something just not right in his topics.
Who it is I don't know, but it is good entertainment as it was designed to be.
In the short time I've been here, I can't help but wonder if he's the alter ego of a well-published gunwriter. He does seem to write reasonably well and it is like watching a train wreck (or, an overweight woman mowing grass in a tube top--my eyes! my eyes!).
In the short time I've been here, I can't help but wonder if he's the alter ego of a well-published gunwriter. He does seem to write reasonably well and it is like watching a train wreck (or, an overweight woman mowing grass in a tube top--my eyes! my eyes!).
I would hope not. If the real identity was revealed somehow, a little "fun" would turn into a nightmare.
Crossfire: making threats to have someone killed CAN you get you canned off the site. Suggest you go over to ARRIG, if you want to make BS threats.
By my count, at least according to what they say, about 10 licensed psychiatrists on this thread. While you are busy DEMANDING this and that from Lee, could each of you post scans of your degrees and state licenses? (Why do I think there will be ZERO)
Still no right answers on the 03s'. BTW, dolt, the rifle shown was made years after the 30-03 was history. Do you know why? when, and who killed the 7mm project?.....I thought not. This is far, far too easy.(LAFFIN)
Crossfire: making threats to have someone killed CAN you get you canned off the site. Suggest you go over to ARRIG, if you want to make BS threats.
By my count, at least according to what they say, about 10 licensed psychiatrists on this thread. While you are busy DEMANDING this and that from Lee, could each of you post scans of your degrees and state licenses? (Why do I think there will be ZERO)
Still no right answers on the 03s'. BTW, dolt, the rifle shown was made years after the 30-03 was history. Do you know why? when, and who killed the 7mm project?.....I thought not. This is far, far too easy.(LAFFIN)
Dude . . . . . .
You may not be Lee24, but you write with the same style and smugness.
Because this is a huge game of 'The L24 Mole'. There's alot of tell's/clues being given by Lee and now oldman. He wants to keep talking so he can give clues.
An obvious tell is, Rick calls for everyone to just ignore him. That would be ok for anyone but Rick, if Rick really believed he was that serious of an issue to be ignored, he would just ban him outright. So the fix is in.
Second is all his topics are extreemly obscure. Walking fifty miles in a marathon 45 years ago. Running down the Grand Canyon in July 40 years ago with no details. Having different childhoods including guiding when he was 12 or something. Military sniper rifles in '68. All obscure, only an expert can refute. But he is a constuct as someone else coined, a daffy duck so to speak. All you are arguing with is the imagination of the constructer who purposely leaves something just not right in his topics.
Who it is I don't know, but it is good entertainment as it was designed to be.
I was born about ten thousand years ago There ain't nuthin' in this world that I don't know I saw Peter Paul and Moses playin' ring-around-the-roses And I'll whup the guy what says it isn't so Well, I'm just a lonesome traveler, a great historical bum Highly educated through history I have come I built the Rock of Ages, it was in the year oh one And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done I saw Adam and Eve driven from the door I'm the guy that picked the figleaves that they wore And from behind the bushes peepin' saw the apple they was eatin' And I swear that I'm the one that et the core Now I built the garden of Eden, it was in the year oh two Joined the apple-pickers union and I always paid my dues I'm the man that signed the contract to raise the risin' sun And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done I taught Samson how to use his mighty hand I showed Columbus to this happy land And for Pharaoh's little kiddies I built all the pyramiddies And to the Sahara carried all the sand Now I was strawboss on the pyramids and the tower of Babel too I opened up the ocean, let the mighty children through I fought a million battles and I never lost a one And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done I taught Solomon his little ABC's I'm the first one to eat Limburger cheese And while floating down the bay with Methuselah one day I saw his whiskers floating in the breeze Now I fought the revolution that set this country free It was me and a couple of Indians that dumped the Boston tea I won the battle of Valley Forge and the battle of Bully Run And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done Now Queen Elizabeth she fell in love with me We were married in Milwaukee secretly But I got tired and shook her and ran off with General Hooker To go shootin' skeeters down in Tennessee
Mommy where's daddy? He's been gone for so long. Do you think he'll ever come home?
I was gone for fourteen days I coulda been gone for more Held up in the intensive care ward lyin on the floor
I was gone for all those days but I, was not all alone I made friends with a lot of people in the danger zone
See my lonely life unfold I see it every day See my only mind explode Since I've gone away
I think I lost some weight there and I--- I'm sure I need some rest Sleepin don't come very easy in a straight white vest
Should like to see that little children She's only four years old--- old I'd give her back all of her play things even, even the ones I stole
See my lonely life unfold I see it everyday See my lonely mind explode when I've gone insane
I wanna get out of here I wanna, I wanna get out of here I gotta get out of here I gotta get out of here IgottagetoutahereIgottagetoutahereIgottagetoutahere Ya gotta let me out of here Let me outta here I gotta get outta here Let me outta here I gotta get outta here Let me outta here I gotta get outta here
See my lonely life unfold I see it everyday See my only mind explode Blow up in my face
I grabbed my hat and I got my coat and I, I ran into the street I saw a man that was choking there I guess he couldn't breathe Said to myself this is very strange I'm glad it wasn't me But now I hear those sirens callin' and so I am not free
I DIDN'T WANNA BE I DIDN'T WANNA BE I DIDN'T WANNA BE (See my lonely life unfold) I DIDN'T WANNA BE (I see it every day) LEAVE ME ALONE I DIDN'T WANNA BE DON'T TOUCH ME!!!! See my lonely mind explode when I've gone INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNE!
that continual post of laffin from old man...... sure says things about a banned poster here... though there are actually photos... but are they real?
You make a very good point. Some time ago, National Geographic moved the relationship of the Pyramids to each other to make a better cover shot for their magazine. An unsubstantiated picture by a suspect poster means nothing. That is the reason I've never asked to see the mysterious Mod 70, because I know it doesn't exist. However, someone with some skill with photo editing software could create that Mod 70.
Here's another. I made the stock and did all the metal work due to so many folks being called off to the big war. Made the scope too but you can't see that in the photo of course. This was back in '41 by the way, just after my 109th birthday. They didn't have post it notes back then but I had submitted for patent rights even back then. The War slowed the process down a lot.
The only reason that the winchesters 375 is not roll stamped in SC is because Lee invented SC and still has the rights to the name thus winchester cannot use it on there rollstamp.
Had you have spent more time in other pursuits instead of being a troll, you would have more than one feeling, and therefore I would not have hurt your only one.
You can't hold me responsible for your lack of ambition.
Lee
(whoops, another moment)
At least I'm not rubbing a winchester and calling it "my precious" yet.
I'm so old I'm talking to myself, what with having regained my composure. Now the thing I know about the internet is if you're gonna go out on a limb, you need to roll with the punches:
You gotta be cool and composed:
It helps if you have backup:
And keep a good eye on your surroundings:
Don't be intimidated by the presence of expert marksmen, they'll only shoot you once:
Finally, you always got to remember, only one person walks away from a duel and the court of public opinion is harsh.
Well, I hung out with Mr. Cody back in the day and never knew him to get his feathers ruffled about much of anything. Nobody ever accused him of being gay either. Not to his face anyway.
Rost....think my pics are faked? Trot you sad ass over to ARRIG and take me up on the free airline ticket offer. Then you come back to this thread and grovel, admitting you are FOS.
As for the Contract....nice duck & cover....but if you knew dick about the Russian Mafia, you would know they don't handle "relocation contracts" except to a hole in the woods. Too bad you are a gutless scumsucking punk who can't handle his own business, but what else is to be expected form "a child left behind"?
Time for another 03' faked picture: (GRIN)
None of you assswipers have yet been able to I.D. the 03s'. Idiots are idiots when then display their complete lack of knowledge.
Lee & I are having your sorry butts for a snack because we are older, better educated and have seen a lot more of the world and life than any of you brat punks.(LAFFIN MORE)
Lee & I are having your sorry butts for a snack because we are older, better educated and have seen a lot more of the world and life than any of you brat punks.(LAFFIN MORE)
RWE....seee....I hope you are taking notes....
Having our butts for a snack...and "brat punks"...
Lee & I are having your sorry butts for a snack because we are older, better educated and have seen a lot more of the world and life than any of you brat punks.(LAFFIN MORE)
RWE....seee....I hope you are taking notes....
Having our butts for a snack...and "brat punks"...
Now, THATS more like it!!
Dats the way you do it!!! Ingwe
Growing up in the midwest, brat punks were the kids that wouldn't eat the hot-dogs.
I would rather have a brat, or a hot dog for lunch than somebody's azz....
Especially a sorry azz.
I mean, if you are going to lower yourself to eating someone's azz as a snack, why get a sorry one?
I hear you though, there's some azz out there that may be snack worthy azz.
But to identify it as the sorry azz of a brat punk, and willingly admit to having it as a snack, well, I've lost all respect for the two of them now...
Dang! I gotta work harder at this...the worst I ever got on the fire was Lee calling me a "punk"
I feel so inadequate....
Ingwe
Ohh not to worry, he did it in his "I want a winchester forum rant" and he lumped a group of us into that category...hold into the wind...varmintqueen. I think it is all your fault for the "you'll smoke a turd for that" comments.
If I ate the "sorry azz" of "brat punks" who are "turdlikepeople" for snacks I don't think I would post it on the internet to prove I am somehow superior to them.
I don't know about that....I heard you went hunting last year with a guy driving a Subaru...
I'm just sayin....
Ingwe
Hey now... he just showed up in that thing. I made sure he parked it and camoflaged it so it wouldn't be seen by anybody. We hunted out of the F25,000!
I work at burger king I make flame broiled whoppers,I wear paper hat, would you like an apple pie with thaaa-at? Whould you like an apple pie with thaaa-at?
Ding fries are done! -ding fries are done!-ding fries are done!
Sorry..... it just pops into my head when i try reading this thread & I can't shake it!!
I work at burger king I make flame broiled whoppers,I wear paper hat, would you like an apple pie with thaaa-at? Whould you like an apple pie with thaaa-at?
Ding fries are done! -ding fries are done!-ding fries are done!
Sorry..... it just pops into my head when i try reading this thread & I can't shake it!!
Wow, I didn't know there where others that were inducted into the Turd People Possie.......I was inducted after teasing ol E about his beloved brand of scope and VarmintGal welcomed me as well.........I thought this was fitting for VarmintGAL......
Hey DigitalDan, I recognize your rock and tree photo. I see you have been through town.
I have indeed! Headed back in May or early June for a spell. Recognize that country where the speed goat was loafin'? To the northwest of town across the big gulch. That expert shooter feller showed me where it was. He's either there or somewhere close...
I gotta say I'm liking the direction this thread has taken. Not that I was ever much of a sniper in the military (trying desparately to not hijack the thread here.
Lot of it reminds me of the beach humor at Iwo. You guys think you're course? Hey you shoulda heard some of the ethnic jokes from those days! "Whaddya get when you use two flame throwers on one cave, hey?" Maybe you had to be there, ya know? Anyway, I prefer stand off area fire weapons myself, like Fat Boy and Little Man, can you dit it?
Well, Gotta catch a nap after all this comedy. Catch up later, OK?
VarmintGal used to be a Leupold retailer so that explains much...........It was funny when he was waving his (hers maybe) pom poms one day saying he's owned over 200 Leupy's, had like over 50 or something currently and bragged about zero problems. I asked him how much use do these 50 scopes get per year.................He got pissed...........and I was inducted into the nocturnal dirt people's club.
VarmintGal used to be a Leupold retailer so that explains much...........It was funny when he was waving his (hers maybe) pom poms one day saying he's owned over 200 Leupy's, had like over 50 or something currently and bragged about zero problems. I asked him how much use do these 50 scopes get per year.................He got pissed...........and I was inducted into the nocturnal dirt people's club.
Wow, I didn't know there where others that were inducted into the Turd People Possie.......I was inducted after teasing ol E about his beloved brand of scope and VarmintGal welcomed me as well.........I thought this was fitting for VarmintGAL......
Cool. We are slow at work and I was needing something to do tomorrow. Does the .357 thread deal with 110 grain hollowpoints for deer as well? That might make it worth my time. Or should I just repeatedly hit myself in the forehead with a tack hammer and be done with it?
Boy you aren't kidding. One guy that posts there and an awful lot in the optics section was arguing about beating someone with a Glock in a different thread and that was his reason for never wanting to use one for "duty use" cause it could go off during the melon softening of some bad guy. Where do people come up with [bleep] like that. Turns out he read something somewhere by an unknown source (probably on a Colt 1911 forum) about a Glock accidental discharge...................Man-O-man, I'm usually not at a loss for words but I didn't even know where to begin. Turns out his "duty" career read something like Lee's would........zero.
Lee & I are having your sorry butts for a snack because we are older, better educated and have seen a lot more of the world and life than any of you brat punks.(LAFFIN MORE)
more likely you're guzzling ol Liar's man-chowder for a snack.
Basically you can Cliff note any of Lees posts by either reading his and seeing what a fool he is or skim the replies to catch some really good humor...
The stamps are in WY, I am in Fl until June (30 below is to be avoided when possible and this beats the H out of ice fishing)
As for the TROLLS, I suppose you have some obscure rule that says every handle that any person on the net has to be the same? Can you quote me the source? I know folks on ebay, gunbroker, gunsamerica and auction arms who have multiple accounts depending on the market segment they are targeting. (I realize Graduate level marketing course are not covered in getting a GED), so perhaps you would be wise to defer to those who have been educated past "see spot run". (GRIN)
He posted the same photo on another unrelated topic in the reloading section. Guy asked about a certain kind of bullet, and gets a picture of a fish. Go figure.
I was actually serious about being impressed and the stamps. Duh!
I hate it being relegated to the kids table by my betters. And also fishing in the small boat and catching small fish because of my GED.
It's horrible being able to drive down here anytime and fish right out of the house, there's no boat launch, or store or cantina, just solar power and hauling water, roughing it.
I know admitting that for some is almost like admitting to catching the gay, but different because its sounds so much better to say look at the Mahi Mahi I'm sporting, as opposed to.......
RWE, I would caution you that insulting members wives and/or children is not welcome conduct. Consider yourself advised that further comments like this will result in a complaint to the site moderator.
I won't even comment on killing those groupers......
RWE, I would caution you that insulting members wives and/or children is not welcome conduct. Consider yourself advised that further comments like this will result in a complaint to the site moderator.
I won't even comment on killing those groupers......
Point out specifically where I insulted a wife/children.
My previous reference was in regards to "Lee and the catfish". Another long standing joke.
Of course down here we call them Dorado and that's a nice bull dorado right there. When I worked in Hawaii I still had a hard time calling them Mahi Mahi, just a cultural thing. Dorado means 'fried' as in cooking anyway, just staying with the theme of irrelevant blather started here by the OPer.
I won't even comment on killing those groupers......
Those groupers fed that village of 50 people, they were requested and we supplied and you may have a grouper issue in FL, we could catch those all day long and quit targeting them after the first two though the big one we're holding up was caught because it hammered a red snapper that took a jig, took two anchors to get it back down to decompress and break the mono line we tied it to the anchors with. We toss all fish back that can make it, keep the others for the village and a few for us.
Talking out your A again.
Here's what happens to snappers and such when a grouper comes and hammers it while trying to real it in, seldom does the grouper hook themselves on the jig but it happens.
I don't apologize for hunting and killing or fishing and killing neither.
RWE, I would caution you that insulting members wives and/or children is not welcome conduct. Consider yourself advised that further comments like this will result in a complaint to the site moderator.
I won't even comment on killing those groupers......
I don't see where he insulted anyone. And what the heck is wrong with keeping a legal fish to eat?
Dolphin, ya I remember going out of San Diego my first time and they said we were going to be catching dolphin. I thought, heck no, I'm not going to catch flipper, that wasn't right, they're friendly.
His last post was a classic avoidance/redirect changing the issue with blame and shock strategy, curiously reminisent of L24 complete with perfect rythem.
He's googling groupers right now. How come he can't keep up with the rythem of posting like the rest of us. It's a pain waiting for someone to finish googling their answer. He's slowing the game down.
I figured that anyone with the moxy to call me out on my dasdardly and outrageous afoulment of women and children would at least have the gentlemanly courtesy to acknowledge my request.
I guess it's just lingo. I was in cabo and we brought some yellowtail back to the hotel. We decided to cook it up with some of the hotel crew that got off at 5:00 and make a big meal for everyone. talking about different ways to cook it they kept saying dorado and I thought they were talking about the yellowtail until they said it meant, fried. They don't really like their tacos dorado style either, the way I like to make them, they like soft tacos.
Of course there's nothing wrong with yellowtail on the barby.
Nice bull dolphin, oldman1942. Makes me want to go back to the Dominican Republic and fly fish for those things. Even as cold as it is, I would go fishing right now, and have the lakes to myself.
Nice bull dolphin, oldman1942. Makes me want to go back to the Dominican Republic and fly fish for those things. Even as cold as it is, I would go fishing right now, and have the lakes to myself.
lee24, i haven't been around the campfire for a little while, so i don't know of the history you share with others. i have read all 122 pages on this thread and all i can say is "WOW"! if i have it figured right, you have claimed to be a "rocket engineer", AMU shooter, USMC sniper, walnut tree grower, stockmaker, collector of military arms, lawyer, and some kind of a rep for computer software companies? WTF? what really baffles me is why if you have the evidence you claim you don't produce it? if i was you (God forbid!)i would relish the chance to stick it to those that have ripped me. i would produce all the photos and evidence requested and then rip them. when you continue to parade around saying you have this evidence, but don't produce it, you just look that more pathetic. why not rebutt those that have critized you and then start fresh? i have to say if you are lying about your military service then you are a real piece of schit! i have family and friends serving in the military and you are doing a great diservice if you are impersonating a soldier. it is my opinion, but i think rick should demand evidence of lee's personal military record and if he can't produce it, then he should be taken off the site. it's one thing for somebody to claim to be an expert, it's another thing to claim military service and desecrate the blood spilled by our fallen heroes. if you are in fact impersonating a soldier, then you deserve the very worst punishment.
by the way lee24, i forgot you exploits as a tow truck driver. maybe you should see if Operation Repo has any openings on the show! your brand of lunancy would make for some pretty funny entertainment! can you say "TRAIN WRECK"?
My goodness. What a bunch of grade school playground tough guys. Go on over to ARRIG where the normal discourse mirrors yours.
When are you children going to realize that NO ONE cares about your DEMANDS or BS? YOU ARE NOT RUNNING THE SITE! GET IT?
Any idiot with a small degree of computer smarts could figure out that Lee and I are not the same person...but that requires education beyond a GED.
You keep slaughtering the grouper to feed a bunch of overbred village idiots who can't feed themselves.... when all the fish are gone, they can come here an Obama will feed them Governmant cheese.
I'll keep doing catch & release except for Dolphin (no I don't know why there are called that here) and Yellowtail, neither of which are long lived nor close to endangered.
Now perhaps you sages could take a crack at identifying those 03s' pics I posted? After all the thread is not about fishing.
As for the family insults...... if you don't get get it, I'm not going to bother to explain it to an idiot. Do it again and I'll let the moderator explain it to you.
I'll keep doing catch & release except for Dolphin (no I don't know why there are called that here) and Yellowtail, neither of which are long lived nor close to endangered.
As for the family insults...... if you don't get get it, I'm not going to bother to explain it to an idiot. Do it again and I'll let the moderator explain it to you.
Well I went back several pages and missed the insults. You might need to explain it straight up because several of us are missing it. Anyone of us is fair game on anything we post but I think we all agree that a spouse or child is not a fair target.
My goodness. What a bunch of grade school playground tough guys. Go on over to ARRIG where the normal discourse mirrors yours.
When are you children going to realize that NO ONE cares about your DEMANDS or BS? YOU ARE NOT RUNNING THE SITE! GET IT?
Any idiot with a small degree of computer smarts could figure out that Lee and I are not the same person...but that requires education beyond a GED.
You keep slaughtering the grouper to feed a bunch of overbred village idiots who can't feed themselves.... when all the fish are gone, they can come here an Obama will feed them Governmant cheese.
I'll keep doing catch & release except for Dolphin (no I don't know why there are called that here) and Yellowtail, neither of which are long lived nor close to endangered.
Now perhaps you sages could take a crack at identifying those 03s' pics I posted? After all the thread is not about fishing.
As for the family insults...... if you don't get get it, I'm not going to bother to explain it to an idiot. Do it again and I'll let the moderator explain it to you.
Oldman you dialogue like a democrat.
You incite supposition and do not support it with facts.
You say the thread is not about fishing, yet post a picture of your wife with a fish? (maybe it's your daughter? Perhaps that's what your all in a tizzy about?)
You cite grade school antics, yet run off with the "I'm going to tell the mod on you" B.S.
As for the family insults, you explain it to me. Be a man, after all you are upholding the family limit in plain view.
if i have it figured right, you have claimed to be a "rocket engineer", AMU shooter, USMC sniper, walnut tree grower, stockmaker, collector of military arms, lawyer, and some kind of a rep for computer software companies?
Answer: NO, you do not have it right; not even close. That is because you have read a lot of lies written about me, by dopes here. Read what I wrote, not the yarns about my being a tow truck driver (Nothing wrong with that. I have a client who earns over $1,000,000 annually from his wrecker business.)
I am a collector of military arms, since age 12. You did figure that out.
This thread was started, not to ask a question to the gunwriters here but to incite by putting out incorrect info. Like the walking thread and the GC issues. It's fair game to question the motives and where the thread should lead. Hello! it's really not about military rifles.
You have a ways to go to prove you aren't connected to L24. I'm not giving up all my tells, but here's one. You come on with no profile, have 600 posts in a few months, know everything about Big Stick from the past here, yet proclaim, when no one asked, that you have no idea who L24 is and why is everyone picking on him. Right.
Your marine biology needs more googling, quit listening to your green peace friends. Maybe if you had an area that the trawlers weren't raping the reefs and bottoms you would have a ton of groupers also. What's the life expectancy of a grouper? Name that grouper in my above pic. Name this grouper. and is it possible going by size they are the same age? How many years do they have left, if the trawlers don't get them?
Dolphins are people too, why are you eating them?
So some of the most pleasant people on earth, your average Mexican national, is an overbred idiot. There are definately some social and govermental issues they have to deal with and I'm glad I don't. Doesn't stop them from being honestly friendly and family orientated, I find a lot of plusses they have above your average american at times.
if i have it figured right, you have claimed to be a "rocket engineer", AMU shooter, USMC sniper, walnut tree grower, stockmaker, collector of military arms, lawyer, and some kind of a rep for computer software companies?
Answer: NO, you do not have it right; not even close. That is because you have read a lot of lies written about me, by dopes here. Read what I wrote, not the yarns about my being a tow truck driver (Nothing wrong with that. I have a client who earns over $1,000,000 annually from his wrecker business.)
I am a collector of military arms, since age 12. You did figure that out.
So what do you do if you have a client that has a wrecker business? Insurance, Legal, sales, DOT etc???
There is actually a lot of elevation change in NC, TN, VA and SC. Many short, 10-mile hikes have ups and downs of 2,500 to 3,500 feet. Those who have never hunted or camped there might be surprised at trails rising 2,500 feet in 3 miles, waterfalls of 300 feet, and the many cliffs and escarpments to navigate.
By the way, I have lived in Colorado, Wyoming and Texas, and run all those mountains, as well as New Mexico, Montana, Idaho while working out there.
Mount Rogers, VA is not far from High Point, NC (which is pretty flat). Go hike it.
I am sure that you have never made that short trip from the border to the Baja to fish the saltwater. Next thing you know people from washington will know nothing about fishing for salmon.
elkhunter, I don't have you childish insecurity to post a fish picture in a thread that about military rifles. Maybe that's because I already posted some of what I know and did on the thread topic. Try it sometime.
You don't want every pisture I ever took, bandwidth and all. I could say the obvious about you and pics but I'm talking to a construct.
If you want to play the picture game, I'll play, and to win.
Heck the baja is an hour and a half closer than the GC is, 3 1/2 hrs to get there, because there is a sliver of Mexico seperating my state I guess it is landlocked. To bad you can't enjoy the benefits of Az like myself, sorry your jealous.
krp, no one is putting down Arizona. I just think it's funny for one land-locked Westerner to attack another one over salt water fishing.
Don't get so touchy and drag out every brag photo you ever took that is irrelevant to oldman1942's fishing, much less to this thread topic.
Don't worry about finding your GED. They will let you in TN, NC, SC and VA without one.
Funny though isn't it? krp can post actual pics of things he has done and you can't!
It is hard to find time to stop and take a picture when you have ran all the hill in Idaho, Montana, ect you get the picture.
Hell I have lived and hunted in washington all my life and I am not even close to having ran all the hills in my HOME TOWN. Lee has done it in multiple states while also making a living at his various trades.
Hell I have lived and hunted in washington all my life and I am not even close to having ran all the hills in my HOME TOWN. Lee has done it in multiple states while also making a living at his various trades.
elkhunter, I don't have you childish insecurity to post a fish picture in a thread that about military rifles. Maybe that's because I already posted some of what I know and did on the thread topic. Try it sometime.
You haven't posted anything of your own to date. You also need to have a grammatic structure checker installed on your computer. That sentence makes no sense putz!
Just calling you out for the bullschitt artist you are.
H-S Precision...the "aluminum bedding block" reinforces the stock so it can be used as a bludgeon when you are lucky enough to catch a fish like Lee's...
He has raised the bar, and made me set new goals...
Dang!! thanks for the nightmares. I once jumped in with a snorkel to try to speargun a dorado, the guys I went with had a 60 ft boat in San Carlos,Mex and mostly scuba/spear fished. It was a weird feeling having a 1000 ft of water under you, kinda like vertigo. I couldn't line up on those speed demaons as they flashed by and could only think of a shark like that attracted to the frenzey.
if i have it figured right, you have claimed to be a "rocket engineer", AMU shooter, USMC sniper, walnut tree grower, stockmaker, collector of military arms, lawyer, and some kind of a rep for computer software companies?
Answer: NO, you do not have it right; not even close. That is because you have read a lot of lies written about me, by dopes here. Read what I wrote, not the yarns about my being a tow truck driver (Nothing wrong with that. I have a client who earns over $1,000,000 annually from his wrecker business.)
I am a collector of military arms, since age 12. You did figure that out.
Now dats a good question...but whoever it is, bow to him, for he will be some incarnation of a Messiah... And will not need to furnish references or post pics... Ingwe
I haven't run the numbers, but it seems to me that many of the threads I reply to end soon after I post. Will it mercifully happen this time? I know a question could extend the post, but what the heck: When a thread reaches a certain (threshhold) number of posts, does someone win a prize or is the preceding tome a result of cabin fever? When I clicked the link to Lee's towing service (last week or, maybe a lifetime ago), my antivirus/spyware/firewall software "awoke", too, as someone noted earlier.
I haven't run the numbers, but it seems to me that many of the threads I reply to end soon after I post. Will it happen this time? I know a question could extend the post, but what the heck
If you can have that effect on Lee24, a bunch of us will get together and put you on retainer...
Just look at the OP, and that says it all, my man.
I don't know if there's a pot of gold at the end of this rainbow, but at 1300 posts and 17000+ hits, it may be a record setter.
We'll see how your curse as thread killer holds up. Sadly, I don't know if Lee or Oldman have any BS, conjecture, intimidation, hubris, or <shudder> any facts to post in this genre.
So is lee now claiming to not being all of the other things he has said before? So now we know he has been collecting military stuff since he was 12 and the rest is a bunch of fluff?
Earls1st, since I don't own a tow truck, you were suckered in by the team of Campfire Trolls. They probably manufactured that website for the alleged towing service.
Earls1st, since I don't own a tow truck, you were suckered in by the team of Campfire Trolls. They probably manufactured that website for the alleged towing service.
Hitler had the same problem with paranoia and grandeur.
Honestly I would like to meet Lee24 in person, perhaps watch him perform some Brain Surgery, fix a Nuclear Reactor, Fly an F16, do dumbbell rows with 130 pound kettle bells, turn water into wine, heal a leper, give sight back to a blind man!
I would certainly bring my camera!
Rick could not generate more interest in the Campfire if he was paying for it!
I guess we all understand what George Bernard Shaw said:
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it"!
if i have it figured right, you have claimed to be a "rocket engineer", AMU shooter, USMC sniper, walnut tree grower, stockmaker, collector of military arms, lawyer, and some kind of a rep for computer software companies?
Answer: NO, you do not have it right; not even close. That is because you have read a lot of lies written about me, by dopes here. Read what I wrote, not the yarns about my being a tow truck driver (Nothing wrong with that. I have a client who earns over $1,000,000 annually from his wrecker business.)
I am a collector of military arms, since age 12. You did figure that out.
So what do you do if you have a client that has a wrecker business? Insurance, Legal, sales, DOT etc???
Once again and what do you actually do for a living? I"m a building inspector.
hey oldman1942(or should i say lee24's dad), nobody cares about your fake 03's. try putting actual scopes on them instead of the walmart grade knockoffs you have. you defend lee like he's your "special" son!
If this were a real campfire I suspect that there would be quite a few kegs tapped. Hell I suspect that there has been the equivilant of a few kegs just the way it is now.
if i have it figured right, you have claimed to be a "rocket engineer", AMU shooter, USMC sniper, walnut tree grower, stockmaker, collector of military arms, lawyer, and some kind of a rep for computer software companies?
Answer: NO, you do not have it right; not even close. That is because you have read a lot of lies written about me, by dopes here. Read what I wrote, not the yarns about my being a tow truck driver (Nothing wrong with that. I have a client who earns over $1,000,000 annually from his wrecker business.)
I am a collector of military arms, since age 12. You did figure that out.
So what do you do if you have a client that has a wrecker business? Insurance, Legal, sales, DOT etc???
Once again and what do you actually do for a living? I"m a building inspector.
At least you guys aren't grouper murderers. I feel so ashamed since Ole'm told me all the info he hears while drinking lattes under the umbrella at the save the whale cabana.
The core of engineers missed the four corners monument, but only by 100 yards or so!
So all you doggystylers that thought you were banging in four states at the same time, were doing it wrong!
Acctually the location might be off of where it was intended to be but that is where it was originally set so it is right no matter what. The original monuments have know error unless they were set neglegently which it wasn't.
RWE
There is a saying up here that meetes and bounds surveyors might as well call themselves hopes and wishes surveyors.
Can we get BMT to post a picture of that female bodybuilder? I think it would add, especially if someone could photoshop her into a Trask River flyfishing for kings motif.
laffin..but no..it's a course fish thats quite a trout killer.It feeds on the trout eggs and really puts the ki-bosh on their population..A hint think of a native women.
They have taken over a couple of lakes I know of.One of the biggest freshwater fish I caught was one of those.It was like reeling in a log.No fight at all.
They look worthy of a .416 Remington. By the way, I invented that cartridge.
I thought I knew you, Dan Remington, right?
Lee's Understudy . . . . . .
Alas, you have been sniffin' the glue again.
Eliphalet Remington II...I was the Senior, before the Junior and # 1 and 2. Dan might be a stage name, you never know. Chills my bones to see what's become of the company. That's why I started up Cooper Arms by the way. Did I ever tell you about the times I spent drinkin' with John Browning?
They look worthy of a .416 Remington. By the way, I invented that cartridge.
I thought I knew you, Dan Remington, right?
Lee's Understudy . . . . . .
Alas, you have been sniffin' the glue again.
Eliphalet Remington II...I was the Senior, before the Junior and # 1 and 2. Dan might be a stage name, you never know. Chills my bones to see what's become of the company. That's why I started up Cooper Arms by the way. Did I ever tell you about the times I spent drinkin' with John Browning?
My mistake. . . . . . .
Is it true that Browning got the 1991 design from you?
I hear tell it was scratched out on the back of a cocktail napkin that JMB kept locked away . . . . .
They look worthy of a .416 Remington. By the way, I invented that cartridge.
I thought I knew you, Dan Remington, right?
Lee's Understudy . . . . . .
Alas, you have been sniffin' the glue again.
Eliphalet Remington II...I was the Senior, before the Junior and # 1 and 2. Dan might be a stage name, you never know. Chills my bones to see what's become of the company. That's why I started up Cooper Arms by the way. Did I ever tell you about the times I spent drinkin' with John Browning?
My mistake. . . . . . .
Is it true that Browning got the 1991 design from you?
I hear tell it was scratched out on the back of a cocktail napkin that JMB kept locked away . . . . .
BMT
I believe you're referring to the 1891 patent for a gas operated machine gun are you not? Well, it's true, he got it from me. I fell under the spell of a particularly fine cognac while playing cards with him one night and he asked me if I had any new ideas for a repeating weapon. The rest is history as you note. I do not take offense in any degree, for he was a good friend and had excellent tastes in liquor. Ideas are a dime a dozen my friend. Hell, I designed the B-29* in my sleep! In one night!
I would hate to take this thread off topic , but it looked like a good place to pose my question. I was thinking about buying an '03 but I think I may want a M1917 Enfield instead. Can any of the military gun gurus chime in with what to look for or avoid when buying an M1917?
Not exactly a military gun guru...but the guys seem to like Winchesters first and foremost in 1917s, and look for rifles that are as close to original as possible...any deviation, replaced parts, etc...is considered to be not a good thing...There were lots of makers for 1917s, some are more "collectable" than others....but they are all fun guns, if you are looking for a shooter..
I was thinking about buying an '03 but I think I may want a M1917 Enfield instead. Can any of the military gun gurus chime in with what to look for or avoid when buying an M1917?
Not exactly a military gun guru...but the guys seem to like Winchesters first and foremost in 1917s, and look for rifles that are as close to original as possible...any deviation, replaced parts, etc...is considered to be not a good thing...There were lots of makers for 1917s, some are more "collectable" than others....but they are all fun guns, if you are looking for a shooter..
Ingwe
I am just looking for something fun to shoot. Wouldn't mind a Enfield Jungle carbine either but I would rather have an '06.
Robert Frost's poem "The Road not Taken" seems very apppropriate here. We've tanken so many roads in this thread that we've lost sight of the original road. I guess Lee24 wins on this one.
I don't know if this link will work, I've been attempting to find a way to link right to my windows media format to share some family memorials to other family and friends. I hate youtube for this type of thing.
Can you see it if you have windows, can you not see it if you don't? Thanks.
This is the fishing video I made of last May and what I showed pics of here as a test. The crappy quality is in the sony point and shoot camera and not the media manufacture.
Eddystones are usually the best buy in a 1917...if you are looking for a shooter...
Ingwe
they were made by Remington, Winchester and Eddystone.....for a custom rifle the first two are what yah want.....for a shooter in original configuration(or atleast kept the original barrel) an Eddystone is fine with the other two bringing more money and the Winchesters generally considered the most accurate of the three.....only problem with Eddystones are when you go to remove the original barrel, they were screwed on EXTREMELY tight and quite often the receiver gets cracked trying to unscrew it.....but if yah leave the original barrel on its not an issue
Not exactly a military gun guru...but the guys seem to like Winchesters first and foremost in 1917s, and look for rifles that are as close to original as possible...any deviation, replaced parts, etc...is considered to be not a good thing...There were lots of makers for 1917s, some are more "collectable" than others....but they are all fun guns, if you are looking for a shooter..
Ingwe
I am just looking for something fun to shoot. Wouldn't mind a Enfield Jungle carbine either but I would rather have an '06.
Beer was legal at 18 when I was in college so bar time recollections are kinda hazy. Good, but hazy. Don't recall anything about light bulbs but can't rule it out either.
Envious! Can't get on the ice reliably here without a sled with our three feet of early snow. A guy could sit on a trail with everyone else and catch bottle bass I guess. A mess of perch (and the eggs, you save them, right?) would taste great right now but I'd settle for playing with the hammer handles.
Thats a couple of right nice fish fry's ya caught there Dave. Congrats! The fishing here on Saginaw Bay has been an adventure. The ice has blown out 3 times and now we are in a thaw. One drowned Friday after going thru and a bunch went thru today. I envy that 2 ft of ice you have...:)
Stick around...the thread may get to it sooner or later...
Ingwe
At the Lakeland gun show yesterday and there was what I recall as a 1903 Springfield with a very peculiar military optical sight onboard, offset a little left of centerline. Obvious sniper rifle. Sight resembled more of a small box than anything else and had a rubber eyepiece. Same appearance as the top rifle below, but different rifle.
There was also a WW2 Jap torpedo gyro for sale. Didn't invent that either but it raises a question. Are submarine skippers properly classified as snipers?
I invented that question for exclusive use by www.24hrcampfire.com forum members.
If you shoot with that rubber eyecup hoo yaw......
MAKE SURE THE TINY VENT HOLE IS NOT PLUGGED !
.......I've just finished pages 45 to 51 of an extremely rare Sniper's manual titled "Shoot fast, lift lots, and run far".
......Author : Framis Leoldenema, obviously a pseudonym.
I arranged for a deep cover KGB agent to lift it for me. It's one of those esoteric "Government" pubs. that are still highly classified. Luckily this Ivan is working "Both sides of the street, and to make ends meet , is working part time for the Russian Mafia. Negotiating with these guys is a riot,.....and with enough good potato liquor, educational to boot.
They're telling me that a rather unsavory, and notorious Molester of elderly woman, pedigree sheep, and Adolescent gay boys carved out a legend in the rubble of Stalingrad,.....and notably weird, in the land of the weird,....so to speak.
Leonsky 24,....appparently in some way involved with the initial design of the Moison Nagant, and it's ammuniton. Really LIKED to be addressed as "Old Sniper" and had a real thing going for Enemas, and all equipment associated therewith.
I think it might be worth studying,.......somewhen,.....
......long and intriguing yarn,.....epitomizing how close to insanity genius runs ( pun intended,....enaema, ...runs,...?)
anyhoo back ton Sniping with stolen Mauser designed clones. If you let that rubber eyecup's vent plug, and aweat sticks it to your face,.....the recoil may well pop your eyball right outta' it's socket.
If you haven't caught up to it,....LeeOldenema is pontificating over on the BPCR and Gunsmithing forums,..... as usual, drivel. Oldenema's dictating prices for common gunsmithing jobs,.....quite a riot,.....when compared to Brownell's average charges.
Watch out for Rubber eyepieces, and other such gear,.....until you know who designed it, and where it mighta' been.
If you shoot with that rubber eyecup hoo yaw......
MAKE SURE THE TINY VENT HOLE IS NOT PLUGGED !
.......I've just finished pages 45 to 51 of an extremely rare Sniper's manual titled "Shoot fast, lift lots, and run far".
......Author : Framis Leoldenema, obviously a pseudonym.
I arranged for a deep cover KGB agent to lift it for me. It's one of those esoteric "Government" pubs. that are still highly classified. Luckily this Ivan is working "Both sides of the street, and to make ends meet , is working part time for the Russian Mafia. Negotiating with these guys is a riot,.....and with enough good potato liquor, educational to boot.
They're telling me that a rather unsavory, and notorious Molester of elderly woman, pedigree sheep, and Adolescent gay boys carved out a legend in the rubble of Stalingrad,.....and notably weird, in the land of the weird,....so to speak.
Leonsky 24,....appparently in some way involved with the initial design of the Moison Nagant, and it's ammuniton. Really LIKED to be addressed as "Old Sniper" and had a real thing going for Enemas, and all equipment associated therewith.
I think it might be worth studying,.......somewhen,.....
......long and intriguing yarn,.....epitomizing how close to insanity genius runs ( pun intended,....enaema, ...runs,...?)
anyhoo back ton Sniping with stolen Mauser designed clones. If you let that rubber eyecup's vent plug, and aweat sticks it to your face,.....the recoil may well pop your eyball right outta' it's socket.
If you haven't caught up to it,....LeeOldenema is pontificating over on the BPCR and Gunsmithing forums,..... as usual, drivel. Oldenema's dictating prices for common gunsmithing jobs,.....quite a riot,.....when compared to Brownell's average charges.
Watch out for Rubber eyepieces, and other such gear,.....until you know who designed it, and where it mighta' been.
Here I was going to buy a J5 kit to build my LW tube gun... I seriously wondered how long it was going to take SOMEBODY to see how bad an ass-whoopin the tube guns were passing out on the tactical match rifle circuit. Sooner or later a Tubb2000 was going to have an illegitament love baby with a 700.
The switch barrel and side folder just makes it cooler
No problem, I was planning on posting fish pictures and revisiting crossfires's essay:
Originally Posted by crossfireoops
If you shoot with that rubber eyecup hoo yaw......
MAKE SURE THE TINY VENT HOLE IS NOT PLUGGED !
.......I've just finished pages 45 to 51 of an extremely rare Sniper's manual titled "Shoot fast, lift lots, and run far".
......Author : Framis Leoldenema, obviously a pseudonym.
I arranged for a deep cover KGB agent to lift it for me. It's one of those esoteric "Government" pubs. that are still highly classified. Luckily this Ivan is working "Both sides of the street, and to make ends meet , is working part time for the Russian Mafia. Negotiating with these guys is a riot,.....and with enough good potato liquor, educational to boot.
They're telling me that a rather unsavory, and notorious Molester of elderly woman, pedigree sheep, and Adolescent gay boys carved out a legend in the rubble of Stalingrad,.....and notably weird, in the land of the weird,....so to speak.
Leonsky 24,....appparently in some way involved with the initial design of the Moison Nagant, and it's ammuniton. Really LIKED to be addressed as "Old Sniper" and had a real thing going for Enemas, and all equipment associated therewith.
I think it might be worth studying,.......somewhen,.....
......long and intriguing yarn,.....epitomizing how close to insanity genius runs ( pun intended,....enaema, ...runs,...?)
anyhoo back ton Sniping with stolen Mauser designed clones. If you let that rubber eyecup's vent plug, and aweat sticks it to your face,.....the recoil may well pop your eyball right outta' it's socket.
If you haven't caught up to it,....LeeOldenema is pontificating over on the BPCR and Gunsmithing forums,..... as usual, drivel. Oldenema's dictating prices for common gunsmithing jobs,.....quite a riot,.....when compared to Brownell's average charges.
Watch out for Rubber eyepieces, and other such gear,.....until you know who designed it, and where it mighta' been.
An Eastern friend of mine once told me a story about going to an upscale fishing lodge here in Montana. One day he and his guide decided to take some time off from drifting the Big River and instead fished some beaver ponds that were absolutely chock-full of pan-sized brookies. Of course they kept a bunch and brought them back to the lodge, and the cook fried them up for dinner (well, along with some steaks).
When the cook put the platter full of brookies on the dinner table one of the other guests exploded. "You mean you actually KILLED TROUT?!"
A neighbor was complaining about hogs rooting up her yard and garden; my services were offered gratis. "What do you do with them?"
"Well, I'd be using a trap here and I'd need to put them down before donating them to the local charity."
"You can't get them out of the trap alive?"
"Uh, no."
"Well then, I'll just put up with them."
"I'll let you take them out of the trap alive if you want."
Harsh glare followed, discussion ended. Steelhead is right about people, at least some of them anyway.
BTW, there are trout in the mountain streams of Vietnam and grenades are really effective. Don't know if I invented that harvesting technique or not. Sorry, no pictures of that.
An Eastern friend of mine once told me a story about going to an upscale fishing lodge here in Montana. One day he and his guide decided to take some time off from drifting the Big River and instead fished some beaver ponds that were absolutely chock-full of pan-sized brookies. Of course they kept a bunch and brought them back to the lodge, and the cook fried them up for dinner (well, along with some steaks).
When the cook put the platter full of brookies on the dinner table one of the other guests exploded. "You mean you actually KILLED TROUT?!"
Somehow, when I sit down to a medium rare antelope steak with a side of fresh brook trout grilled in butter, I have a very difficult time staying sad over the lack of "fine dining" here in Montana (or worrying too much about the "hook 'em & cook 'em" philosophy).
We will do the Brookies Grilled in Butter thing, and usually a Kebob of Teriyaki marinated venison over the same fire at the same time...nom nom nom....
During a visit from my in-laws, the FIL and I were fishing in the pond when my Dad wandered down for a chat.
The FIL landed a respectable largemouth and unhooked it. He looked over to me and asked if we were "keeping them", to which my Dad said, "Well I don't know what your having for dinner if you don't."
Dave The obvious lack of blood trail indicates the need for a better bullet and/or a bigger rifle- Also, if you had gotten good expansion, the hooves on the off side would be gone.
"Open sights are the primary sight on most of my serious hunting rifles. Scopes are something to take along in QD mounts. In good light, open sights are all any good shot needs to 200 yards. In snow, rain, mist and fog, they are indispensable and a scope is rather useless."
Good timing,.....I'm buying scopes this week,....PM me, and I'll get you lined out with some irons, and take those useless scopes off your hands.
My fame as the original developer of the Millstone was a critical peak in my career,......
Guys chopping em' ( after I invented the hammer ) up on the hills would roll the finished products down to the valley grain fields below,.....and that prompted me to get seriously to work on the "wheel" project.
If you can't rationally discuss what I said about open sights and scopes, please don't expose yourself as a rank amateur by posting silliness.
If you can't hit the heart or brain offhand 99% of the time with iron sights, you are too far away, or have no business hunting dangerous game - just my humble opinion.
If you can't rationally discuss what I said about open sights and scopes, please don't expose yourself as a rank amateur by posting silliness.
If you can't hit the hear or brain offhand 99% of the time with iron sights, you are too far away, or have no business hunting dangerous game - just my humble opinion.
If you can't rationally discuss what I said about open sights and scopes, please don't expose yourself as a rank amateur by posting silliness.
If you can't hit the heart or brain offhand 99% of the time with iron sights, you are too far away, or have no business hunting dangerous game - just my humble opinion.
Wouldn't know DIDDLY bout' dem "Iron Sights" deah, Bossman.
Those cold weather guys ... always finding new ways to keep warm. Oh I forgot he's sitting under the umbrella at the Green peace cabana in FL, sipping lattes with the save the whale people.
If you can't rationally discuss what I said about open sights and scopes, please don't expose yourself as a rank amateur by posting silliness.
Lee24 OS error message: Angst Overload, EJECT! EJECT!
Originally Posted by Lee24
If you can't hit the heart or brain butt off backhand 99% of the time with iron sights, you are too far away, or have no business hunting playing dangerous games - just my humble opinion.
Y'all know that Burning Man thing they do our thar in the dessert ever year? Now I didn't invent that, but I can see how an annual get together like that could serve to memorialize this thread fair well. We could call it the Weenie Lee Roast. Maybe the 24HrLeeRoast? Just guessing here, but if it flies, I invented it of course. Crossfire could bring some of them buns he thought up and whoever else it were invented mustard, well, there ya go. From the ashes rises the Phoenix.
Yep is was... It kind of sucked cause I didn't get any good pics with it cause I let it go.... I didn't want to pay 1400 to kill it and get it mounted.
There's sport to be had with Blues down in the Virgins, and some other fish around here too. Difference between catching a big marlin and the fish that cruise by the Campfire from time to time is exhaustion and mirth. Free country, take your pick. In later years I find both can wear me plumb out but it hasn't caused me to stop either one.
So for the initiation all I had to do was go fishing take my laptop get an internet connection catch a sailfish take pictures and post them similtaneously. WOW that was easy
I can't think of anything cutsie to say, jumping back and forth from politics/abortion to dead fish turned my funny bone off. And NO that wasn't sexual.
H-HAC, assuming a stutter there. Not uncommon for one who has caught the gay. Even reminds me of the HVAC acronym which has some sort of stuttering connotation in this context. 'Specially if you're from Uranus.
A chance for all to invent something here: What do you call residents of Uranus?*
I get a laugh out of the way the 24hourPunks all vouch for how each other have "all this experience", but none them dare talk about what it is they have.
Your reading magazines at the barber shop isn't experience, kids.
Lee,
I'm game on the experience challenge. State of Indiana, PE # 9300188. Over 20 years of experience in water and wastewater treatment plant design and construction administration. Check out my credentials at www.wesslerengineering.com. Where are your creds?
Here's a challenge: Teach me something I dont't know about wastewater treatment plant unit process engineering.
I do know a little chemistry. I fact, I am on the Internet researching some polymer processes tonight. But even a PhD chemist would not know how to design, build or operate a wastewater treatment facility. There are all sorts of specialties within chemistry, just as there are in engineering. Surely there are many areas of engineering about which you know very little, especially if all you have done is one narrow field for 20 years.
You didn't really challenge me, anyway. That all seems rather childish and unprofessional.
Funny the mention of surveying. I am writing an enhancement to a 3D CAD program of mine to feed all the GPS shots into a site map, merge it with existing data, and construct a NURBS surface that can be rendered as contour lines. This will make it easier to do a 200-acre land planning project I have going.
Hey dumbass they already have that program you don't need to write a new one it is called AutoCAD civil 3D the survey features come standard and add-ons for any survey software will do the same.
Wow, CAD computer program designer. Need to add that to the resume.
Hey, figured sense you don't know anything about Az and your geography is sketchy. We're getting snow, no really, we have ski resorts and stuff, no really. Some of us cactus nettle pickers can even snowplow on the bunny hill, no really.
Geography quiz, what's closer to Phoenix.
A. Saltwater fishing B. Grand Canyon C. Snow Sking D. None of the above, can't get there from here.
Funny the mention of surveying. I am writing an enhancement to a 3D CAD program of mine to feed all the GPS shots into a site map, merge it with existing data, and construct a NURBS surface that can be rendered as contour lines. This will make it easier to do a 200-acre land planning project I have going.
Mighty fancy way to figure the best way to drive a sweeper truck around the mall parking lot.
Well Lee you have commented on here about surveyors in the past.
Washington State License number 45779 teach me great one.
Originally Posted by Lee24
Funny the mention of surveying. I am writing an enhancement to a 3D CAD program of mine to feed all the GPS shots into a site map, merge it with existing data, and construct a NURBS surface that can be rendered as contour lines. This will make it easier to do a 200-acre land planning project I have going.
Its a futile attempt Heavywalker. My Oregon State Bar License Number is 93-4389, but it has no effect on Lee's discussion of the law.
I'm 6 miles from Red Level. 14 miles from Chatmire. 24 miles from Otter Creek and 1 mile from Crackertown. Where am I Lee? How many hogs on the local NURBS? Are NURBS endangered? Do they fly?
"..... writing an enhancement to a 3D CAD program of mine to feed all the GPS shots into a site map, merge it with existing data, and construct a NURBS surface that can be rendered as contour lines. This will make it easier to do a 200-acre land planning project I have going."
and maintaining a fast paced ongoing dialogue on at least 2 threads here ( NO KIDDING, YOU SHOULD SEE THE BLARNEY OVER IN AFRICA).
we're outnumbered and surrounded, boys......he's like a blur.
Probably cut and quarter sawed a Walnut tree while he went out to pee, too.
Funny the mention of surveying. I am writing an enhancement to a 3D CAD program of mine to feed all the GPS shots into a site map, merge it with existing data, and construct a NURBS surface that can be rendered as contour lines. This will make it easier to do a 200-acre land planning project I have going.
NOOB!
contact state government in SC, they already have LIDAR contour information for the entire state. (before you deny being in or working in SC, whatever state your going to mention has LIDAR data also)
AutoCad Land development, Civil 3D, or Carlson software packages, Trimble, and Topcon software can place your GPS points and generate a TIN and subsequent contours.
Hell, my data collector can do it in the field.
Whatever GPS equipment you are using probably has rendering software also. Unless you are using mapping grade equipment (as opposed to survey grade), in which case your elevations will be too inaccurate to use for reliable contour data.
You are a HAC!
Don't be doing any grading activities without a permit.
RWE, I don't use AutoCAD for anything. I used it from version 1 through 14, and wrote a surveying application for it in 1985, as well as other external programs to generate drawings from external data.
There are lots of sources of topographical data and maps, but I happen to have a need which LIDAR, USGS, UCDS, ESRI, etc do not address, so I am writing that enhancement for the same 3D modeling tool I use for machine design. That way, I don't have to jump around to 3 or 4 different CAD systems for different types of engineering.
RWE, I don't use AutoCAD for anything. I used it from version 1 through 14, and wrote a surveying application for it in 1985, as well as other external programs to generate drawings from external data.
There are lots of sources of topographical data and maps, but I happen to have a need which LIDAR, USGS, UCDS, ESRI, etc do not address, so I am writing that enhancement for the same 3D modeling tool I use for machine design. That way, I don't have to jump around to 3 or 4 different CAD systems for different types of engineering.
You are using the same application on a 200 acre design project that is complex enough that no GIS/data resource has adequate contour data as you use in machine design?
Maybe you should hire a licensed land surveyor?
Curiosity has me intrigued at what makes your project so different that it cannot be accomplished with available information, but the additional information you need can be obtained with standard GPS.
But its the same curiosity I had when my cousin and I looked into a non-grounded electrical outlet, with butter knives in each hand.
Use of a particular CAD tool by an industry has a lot of history behind it, and investment, more than just what is the best current tool for a particular job.
Ford Motor Company put a lot of money into Unigraphics back in the early days. Ford and BMW also used very advanced 3D systems running on Prime computers in the early 1980s. (These same computers were used to do the Disney movie, "TRON".)
The aerospace industry uses CATIA, which was developed by Dessault Aerospace, as the 3D FEA add-on to CADAM, the 2D CAD developed by Lockheed on the IBM in the 1970s. CATIA developed Solidworks, which a lot of smaller shops use for machine design and plastics parts and mold design. CALMA is used for a lot of plastic molding, because it was developed by GE to engineer and sell their plastic resins.
Bridges and steel buildings are old hat. NASTRAN and STRUDL programs developed in the late 1970s have all the input parameters. Just plug in the beams, loadings and connection nodes, and it will give you all the modes of vibration, wind deflections, etc. We used to have to write that stuff from scratch in FORTRAN 30 years ago.
The surviving CAD programs are not necessarily the best ones. A lot of superior products failed due to marketing, herd mentality staying with an inferior product, business cycles, etc.
I was happy with with the results using the Quad map. Although Saginaw, MI has very little Elevation change.
Lee- The FHWA has changed lots of things on bridge design over the last few years. LFRD is the design method required for any new bridges. I have just completed a scour analysis of all the bridges in my county. Do you have any comments on spread footings?
Use of a particular CAD tool by an industry has a lot of history behind it, and investment, more than just what is the best current tool for a particular job.
Perhaps the stubbornness of sticking to an archaic tool, as well as the depreciation of the investment should both be considered paid in full.
Not that I won't survey with a transit and chain if given a chance, I also know that my interest there is purely recreational and not a means of generating revenue, or an adequate product.
Business is business.
Figure any officer of a consulting firm should know that...
I still survey with a OLD Theodolite (1950's) here at the county. We hire most of our survey work and CAD work done by local companies. About all I survey anymore is stream cross-sections.
RWE, when it comes time to do a project, local surveyors and civil engineers will be hired to do precise topological surveys, grading plans, etc. When I an designing a project at a high level, I will do it precisely enough to be within 1/2% on my estimates to the companies which will be paying the bills. Then I hire and work with the architects and engineers to develop the detailed engineering plans.
I don't do detailed roadway and bridge design. Same for railways. I just lay them out where they need to go on my projects, connect them up to existing streets, roads, and interstates, in order to develop a master plan, estimates and schedules. I will do other detailed designs. But who knows - I may have to do a detailed design of a short highway bridge again someday.
Since everyone is going to lasers and built-in GPS for surveying, I am picking up old Zeiss and K&E equipment for nothing. One advantage of using GPS shots on a large hilly and wooded site is that the developers, bankers, etc can go into the field, find a spot, and look at the rendering of the project on a laptop from that view point. People who cannot visualize things well need that.
RWE, when it comes time to do a project, local surveyors and civil engineers will be hired to do precise topological surveys, grading plans, etc. When I an designing a project at a high level, I will do it precisely enough to be within 1/2% on my estimates to the companies which will be paying the bills. Then I hire and work with the architects and engineers to develop the detailed engineering plans.
The sound you hear is my head banging the keyboard.
So, you are doing a 200 acre design project that needs contours that cannot be obtained by LIDAR, but can be obtained using GPS.
In addition this phase of the project will be done with something not considered to be a precise topo (otherwise why get the surveyors later), but it is complex enough for you to program contour generation from point data into a drafting program originally used for machine control?
I'm using synapses I had originally designated for debauchery, just to figure this out.
Last year, I bought a Zeiss with tripod for $600.00.
I don't expect surveyors to understand my engineering process which created a job for them, any more than I expect some factory workers to understand the engineering processes which created the projects they are assembling.
Last year, I bought a Zeiss with tripod for $600.00.
I don't expect surveyors to understand my engineering process which created a job for them, any more than I expect some factory workers to understand the engineering processes which created the projects they are assembling.
A Zeiss total station with a tripod for $600. I have never seen one that cheap. My laser level was over $5000. They did throw in a tripod for that.
There are very few firms using GPS around here. It is highly wooded so you have trouble getting signal. We do have a Leica GPS transponder that MDOT installed in front of our office. The drivers call it the space needle.
I prefer the posts with the pictures of the little black dress. I don't have the technical expertise of Lee and all this jargon first thing in the morning is giving me a headache.
Last year, I bought a Zeiss with tripod for $600.00.
I don't expect surveyors to understand my engineering process which created a job for them, any more than I expect some factory workers to understand the engineering processes which created the projects they are assembling.
Welllll hoss, you haven't exactly been sharing the bounty of created jobs with yours truly, so stuff the arrogant hubris.
Too often egocentric ass engineers like yourself lose sight of the addition a good surveyor can give to a project, and in true elitist fashion, the minute one questions your work (even in this virtual hell hole), and attempts to save you a little time and scratch (GIS, Lidar, software) you turn as nasty as an ape that fell out of the ugly tree.
If you are going to continue to foster dissent here, I would prefer you not post in threads that you start. Just lay the groundwork for us to discuss how ludicrous your claims are, and move along.
I am an engineer myself. A good surveyor can make or break a project.
When designing a roadway or a culvert crossing I often involve my foremen. Why? Because if they don't think it will work, it sure as heck won't.
They often have valuable input on how something can be maintained cheaper, or a different way of looking at the same problem. That way there are engineering teams.
I prefer the posts with the pictures of the little black dress. I don't have the technical expertise of Lee and all this jargon first thing in the morning is giving me a headache.
RWE, oilburner and other surveyors can calm down. I was not dismissing you. I am just saying that I am not going to keep trying to explain to you why I would write enhancements to a CAD program for my civil engineering needs. I have been writing CAD programs, FEA programs, and add-ons to CAD programs for all sorts of things for 30 years. Just accept the fact that engineers and architects have reasons for doing things before they hand it over to other engineers and surveyors in the field, who don't need to know the about or why of the high-level design. All they need to know is the objective of the construction, so they can work with the design engineers on problems, field changes, schedule changes, etc.
I prefer the posts with the pictures of the little black dress. I don't have the technical expertise of Lee and all this jargon first thing in the morning is giving me a headache.
Even if i like fish from rivers and sea i preffer pretty girl too!! (normal i'm from frog's land) but can someone explain me how can you go from old sniper rifles to super nice girls? And how a single guy as Lee24 can create such a ramble on the forum and support such punishment from all the people on this tread? A new sniper rifle from Ilion's company, shot taken at Milipol in Paris october 2009.
Even if i like fish from rivers and sea i preffer pretty girl too!! (normal i'm from frog's land) but can someone explain me how can you go from old sniper rifles to super nice girls? And how a single guy as Lee24 can create such a ramble on the forum and support such punishment from all the people on this tread?
Marseille, going from guns to fish to girls is simple..... as to you other question..there are things well beyond the comprehension of mortal men...
BTW: Just saw a leaked demonstration video on that rifle...pretty cool Ingwe
Loin girders, when they get too nasty my wife throws them away. pisses me off, I just get them color coded, yellow in the front, brown in the back. It's so confusing when she buys new ones, until I wear them a couple times.
Don't rain on my parade. I currently do not care about all the other countless tools that exist. My point is I am smarter than all of you cause I am writing a program. Or am I dumber because I am doing all this extra work to get the same end result....
The only reason I ever developed my own CAD software was because there was nothing else available, or it cost too much for my project to pay for by saving me the time of doing the work manually and mentally. Same today. If something out there does what I want, I buy it. If one CAD program does this and another does that, and I can write an interface, import, bridge or collaboration application, I will do that. My billing rate is enough to buy a full copy of AutoCAD or Solidworks every day, but they don't do what I need.
With your billing rate being what it is I cannot see the value to your client in writing a new arcaic program to do what countless very inexpensive programs will do in corrination with CAD. Programs for a simple conversion from ASCII to SM1 has been around since the first CAD program was developed. Don't know why you think you are special inventing something that has been around for years already......but you knew that didn't you.
After more than 2 years of VAnimrod and Triggerguard claiming to have secret, unidentified sources at Winchester who said I and others do not own the rifles we own, anyone who believes them is rather naive.
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You mean, "VAnimrod and Triggerguard CLAIM that Winchester never made the rifles in South Carolina."
They CLAIMED to have been told such by someone at Winchester, whom they have been unable to name. They made it all up.
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------- The FACT is ----------------- 1. I never saw any such name provided. No one ever sent it to me in a PM, either. Sounds like yet more BS from the hate crowd of know-nothing bluffers.
2. If someone had, that doesn't mean VAnimrod or Triggerguard actually had any such source at Winchester, and anyone who believes they did, is a gullible idiot.
Sorry I missed your moment in the spotlight when you were lying through your teeth again Lee.
I'd say after working with USRAC from 1993-2006 and with FN from 2006-to present, I am a contact and you are a liar and will forever remain that way, simply because no matter how hard you try, you'll never come up with the rifle in question.
You don't own it, never did, and neither does anyone else on God's green earth. I have had a standing offer for working on two years for a free rifle to anyone who can show proof of ownership of a rifle like you've described and have had exactly zero takers. It's been in my signature line for months.
Anyone knows that no one would turn down a free rifle, if all they had to do was show proof that they owned another, especially one worth over a $1,000.00 and not being made anymore.
I do wish that Rick would get rid of you and a couple others that have thorougly ruined what was a pretty good hunting and shooting forum. You're a disgrace to our sport and the sponsors here.
And I invented the compass to draw the circles. My compass invention was so inventive, it even does double duty as a similar but completely different compass.
And, just in case you're wondering, don't even discuss lines. I coined the name "Pythagoras", before Iinvented the Pythagorean Theorem...
We've digressed from military sniper rifles to good looking babes, to general BS and back again. Every time Lee 24 comes up, we seem to awaken. Otherwise ZZZZZ.
We've digressed from military sniper rifles to good looking babes, to general BS and back again. Every time Lee 24 comes up, we seem to awaken. Otherwise ZZZZZ.
The only reason I ever developed my own CAD software was because there was nothing else available, or it cost too much for my project to pay for by saving me the time of doing the work manually and mentally. Same today. If something out there does what I want, I buy it. If one CAD program does this and another does that, and I can write an interface, import, bridge or collaboration application, I will do that. My billing rate is enough to buy a full copy of AutoCAD or Solidworks every day, but they don't do what I need.
"There isn't one member on this website that I would not take hunting with me........there are a few that would not make it back though..."
That is funny as hell there isn't one person on this site that would go hunting with you.
If you don't go hunting with him you'll miss your chance to leave him in those snow covered peaks.
The slime ball stole that from my signature line. He has resorted to stealing quotes right of this thread. That is low even for a Lee24 clone.
The Lee24 OS has no morals, no scruples. It is relentless. It doesn't breath, eat or bleed. It never stops until it's destroyed! It is blond. Probably. Possibly transgender. It may even be an alter ego of Maureen Dowd!
A long time ago, in a web site far, far away, there was a fellow who was the right hand man for the site owner. They talked the talk, shot the chitt, and when someone had the temerity to question the Word, well, they came after you like screeching liberals from Air America.
I was not bowed, even though I questioned the Word. In fact, it launched an in depth study which I found highly edumicating even as it provided the tools of their destruction! "HA!", I said. "I will destroy him!"
So I artfully contrived to do so. It had never occurred to me that grown men would behave in such fashion as they did after the grenade went off. They did so because they were so incredibly stupid they could not understand basic concepts of reality, or even their chosen area of expertise. -sigh- In other words, the judge was blind and couldn't see the 8-1/2 x 11 glossy photos with the north arrow on them.
It really doesn't matter though, cause I really like this thread about fish, or black skirts, or oil rigs, or whatever in hell it's about.
I invented subtle, sly and supercilious certitude with a searingly sulfuric stare. I also invented alliteration in case it's not obvious.
The Lee24 OS has no morals, no scruples. It is relentless. It doesn't breath, eat or bleed. It never stops until it's destroyed! It is blond. Probably. Possibly transgender. It may even be an alter ego of Maureen Dowd!
Damn, Dan, that's just, well, MEAN. I mean, c'mon, Maureen Dowd? [bleep], he just lies, and stuff, it's not like he writes a newspaper column, or votes Obama, or anything ruthless like that....
I also invented alliteration in case it's not obvious.
Overbearing, Oppressive, Organically Obvious,
I invented iron sights and silvertips
So you're the bastid!
Yes, I's is the bastid. If I can collect, I will share all the user royalties that Lee and Oldman whistle britches owe me with the forum !!!!! If they don't get stomped by Buff's or eaten by Bears first
Yes, I's is the bastid. If I can collect, I will share all the user royalties that Lee and Oldman whistle britches owe me with the forum !!!!! If they don't get stomped by Buff's or eaten by Bears first
Feed em to the wolves! Well on second thought even I wouldn't be that mean to a wolf. Darn thing would have to lick its azz for a month to get the taste out of its mouth.
[quote=BlackDog1] I invented iron sights and silvertips
So you're the bastid!
Yes, I's is the bastid. If I can collect, I will share all the user royalties that Lee and Oldman whistle britches owe me with the forum !!!!! If they don't get stomped by Buff's or eaten by Bears first
Feed em to the wolves! Weel on second thought even I wouldn't be that mean to a wolf. Darn thing would have to lick its azz for a month to get the taste out of its mouth. [/quote
The kids' childish sexual fantasies fit right in with their gun and hunting fantasies.
Confirmation: The Lee24 OS has a very small wee wee...among other deficits. Thus has it been programmed. Literary analysis reveals use of "kids'", "childish", "sexual", "fit" and "fantasies" within a single sentence indicates 97.4% probability of repressed emotions, self adulation, advanced adventure deficit disorder, viciously vicarious tendencies, projection, mirrors and foot fetish. He is jealous of cigars too.
....." If the front sight is a post, the point of aim at zero range should be the flat of the post. If the target were a bullseye, the top of the sight would be across the center of the bullseye.
If the front sight is a bead, the point of aim is through the center of the bead. "
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Aren't you all glad that this is being explained to us ?
I've always wondered what all that stuff on top of the long round thing was for.
....." If the front sight is a post, the point of aim at zero range should be the flat of the post. If the target were a bullseye, the top of the sight would be across the center of the bullseye.
If the front sight is a bead, the point of aim is through the center of the bead. "
***********?
Aren't you all glad that this is being explained to us ?
I've always wondered what all that stuff on top of the long round thing was for.
Listen, and understand. That terminator Lee24 is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity logic, remorse or fear common sense. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
Me neither...Ive got enough skeletons in my closet without it..
Ingwe
BTW; Did you say you invented it???
You talking about the Lee24 OS or the analytical program recently employed on same? Of course! On both counts. How could you question that?
I am notorious for playing with my food.
This discussion, as philosophically elevated as it is, reminds me of a recent tragedy in my front yard. There is a pasture across the street upon which many killdeer flit around, bringing forth the call from which their name springs. Rather noisy sometimes, occasionally annoying. Yesterday morning I went out to get the paper and found the remains of one, fresh blood mixed with feathers and bits of rendered flesh remaining on the nubs of wing bones. Front yard was littered with feathers in all quadrants. I suspect a raptor had breakfast in the dawn's early light...Oh say can you see???....the parallel?
Listen, and understand. That terminator Lee24 is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity logic, remorse or fear common sense. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
That is beautiful work there, humble in your presence.
Listen, and understand. That terminator Lee24 is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity logic, remorse or fear common sense. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
That is beautiful work there, humble in your presence.
I cried when I wrote it.
Or maybe that's when I wrote Deacon Blues for Steely Dan.
Gee, this really has A LOT TO DO with military rifles does it not? Or is it just the playground bully boys hiding behind their keyboards again? As least one of the "keyboard commandos" over on ARRIG told me he was coming down from SD to "kick my ass".... funny thing... when I sent him a link to WY's castle law, he seems to have lost all interest.
Here... well it's just hot air by "picked last at dodgeball" wimps who are really fearless... as long as they are hiding under their desks.
I find Lee's plan to leave sad and unnecessary because with the room temp I.Q.s that THINK they own this site... well it's not really much of a contest. (GRIN)
OH YES! almost forgot... none of you experts have yet to I.D. those 03's I posted , now have you? So much for "military rifle experts"....LAFFIN
Gee, this really has A LOT TO DO with military rifles does it not? Or is it just the playground bully boys hiding behind their keyboards again? As least one of the "keyboard commandos" over on ARRIG told me he was coming down from SD to "kick my ass".... funny thing... when I sent him a link to WY's castle law, he seems to have lost all interest.
Here... well it's just hot air by "picked last at dodgeball" wimps who are really fearless... as long as they are hiding under their desks.
I find Lee's plan to leave sad and unnecessary because with the room temp I.Q.s that THINK they own this site... well it's not really much of a contest. (GRIN)
OH YES! almost forgot... none of you experts have yet to I.D. those 03's I posted , now have you? So much for "military rifle experts"....LAFFIN
Keep asking the hat... it has all the answers.
Why don't you just educate us ungrateful, unwashed, uneducated heathens and ID the '03's for us.
Remington built some heavy barrel bolt action rifles for the Army in the late 1960s, but most of the sniper rifles in Vietnam were the heavy M-14 or M-21.
The Marine Corps asked Remington to build them a bolt action rifle in 1965 to replace the Winchester Model 70 target rifles with Unertl scopes they were using in combat, chambered in .30-06.
To the OP, what were the weights on the M-14, M-21 and the Model 70's used in combat? Finished weight, scoped and loaded.
Gee, this really has A LOT TO DO with military rifles does it not? Or is it just the playground bully boys hiding behind their keyboards again? As least one of the "keyboard commandos" over on ARRIG told me he was coming down from SD to "kick my ass".... funny thing... when I sent him a link to WY's castle law, he seems to have lost all interest.
Here... well it's just hot air by "picked last at dodgeball" wimps who are really fearless... as long as they are hiding under their desks.
I find Lee's plan to leave sad and unnecessary because with the room temp I.Q.s that THINK they own this site... well it's not really much of a contest. (GRIN)
OH YES! almost forgot... none of you experts have yet to I.D. those 03's I posted , now have you? So much for "military rifle experts"....LAFFIN
Keep asking the hat... it has all the answers.
OldEnema,
Why don't you amble over to "Gunsmithing" and put up some more stupid, off the wall , ridiculous advice.
......The "Slap Down" that you got over that stunt is running in parrallel with your bum buddy's current debacle.
Gee, this really has A LOT TO DO with military rifles does it not? Or is it just the playground bully boys hiding behind their keyboards again? As least one of the "keyboard commandos" over on ARRIG told me he was coming down from SD to "kick my ass".... funny thing... when I sent him a link to WY's castle law, he seems to have lost all interest.
Here... well it's just hot air by "picked last at dodgeball" wimps who are really fearless... as long as they are hiding under their desks.
I find Lee's plan to leave sad and unnecessary because with the room temp I.Q.s that THINK they own this site... well it's not really much of a contest. (GRIN)
OH YES! almost forgot... none of you experts have yet to I.D. those 03's I posted , now have you? So much for "military rifle experts"....LAFFIN
Keep asking the hat... it has all the answers.
Old'm, if you keep Lee alive in your heart, he'll never really be gone.
Oh, I did answer your question on the 03s.
Oh, you never answered my question on the type and life span of those groupers. In responce to your statement that yellowtail and Dolphin live short lives and are Ok to kill, you lucked out and got 1/2 right as far as their lifespans. If you had got a GED you might have got 100%.
There was a brief lull in the fighting; the battle field smoke cleared before a westerly breeze. Out of the clear blue western sky came.....Oldman1942, aka Lee24 OS 2.1.
Now the battle resumes, under a different title. Verdun Deuce. Springfield '03.2. Take your pick, choose your weapons.
This is Walter Cronkite and you are there. _______________________________________________________
Showing 100 pages here fellows, what are you seeing?
Gee, this really has A LOT TO DO with military rifles does it not? Or is it just the playground bully boys hiding behind their keyboards again? As least one of the "keyboard commandos" over on ARRIG told me he was coming down from SD to "kick my ass".... funny thing... when I sent him a link to WY's castle law, he seems to have lost all interest.
Here... well it's just hot air by "picked last at dodgeball" wimps who are really fearless... as long as they are hiding under their desks.
I find Lee's plan to leave sad and unnecessary because with the room temp I.Q.s that THINK they own this site... well it's not really much of a contest. (GRIN)
OH YES! almost forgot... none of you experts have yet to I.D. those 03's I posted , now have you? So much for "military rifle experts"....LAFFIN
Keep asking the hat... it has all the answers.
Typical, an Azz opens his mouth and schitt falls out!
Interesting to watch the video, that second round is a 308 that the AK uses... not quite worded right.... and then anything the 50 hits is down.... well the deer I've shot with my 50 run like a......
I've been reading and enjoying the "fire" for almost six years now and this thread has the entertainment value meter pegged. This is one of the truly classic threads.
Well, unless Lee comes back and starts threads like this or the walking/GC one again, I'm going back to mostly lurking. I tried to stay on threads he started after I realised he wasn't someone just misinformed. Putting a liar to the test isn't the same as making fun of someone. My son was one of the best at the test on the jobsite, his quick and probing wit had you loving him and willing to work hard with him or hating him for cutting through the BS you bring. I'm usually more subtle... I guess, but I let my son's spirit guide me on this one, it was fun. He would say this to anyone when they walked away with hurt feelings.
Well, unless Lee comes back and starts threads like this or the walking/GC one again, I'm going back to mostly lurking. I tried to stay on threads he started after I realised he wasn't someone just misinformed. Putting a liar to the test isn't the same as making fun of someone. My son was one of the best at the test on the jobsite, his quick and probing wit had you loving him and willing to work hard with him or hating him for cutting through the BS you bring. I'm usually more subtle... I guess, but I let my son's spirit guide me on this one, it was fun. He would say this to anyone when they walked away with hurt feelings.
Bret,"Here, let me get something for that".
Lee,"What"?
Bret,"VaGee cream, for your hurt pu.....".
Later...... Kent
Kent, Me thinks you need to post more. You are very turdlike and merry Your work here was good sir!
I didn't know this until yesterday but apairently the sole purpose of animals, all animals, is to charge and kill anyone who is hunting.
I burned all my rifles last night that were 1/4 bore and lower so as to not put my family and friends in any danger next hunting season. It was sad but, I had to do what was right for my family.
Never been asked to get rid of mine either...just confine it to the Hunters Forum.....which Ive done.....pretty much.....
But, as I said at the time...when you see a thread entitled " Friday Hot Babe Thread" and you open it...what do you expect to see..
Some guys were opening other threads and finding this stuff when little Johnny was running through the room I guess... so in a way I can see their point.....
11B and 100EW from days gone by, don't think they use that anymore. Rotary Wing Attack. Used Redleg back in the day...big fan of the 8" SP and BB 62. Bigger IS better. Adds color to an otherwise drab affair.
11B and 100EW from days gone by, don't think they use that anymore. Rotary Wing Attack. Used Redleg back in the day...big fan of the 8" SP and BB 62. Bigger IS better. Adds color to an otherwise drab affair.
With those guns, "Danger Close" ain't all that close.
It isn't for mortals, but Lee could probably bring 'em into about 10 meters or less. I never employed arty for close support, only for chasin' Charlie round about the A Shau and bustin' a few bunkers here and there. The 8" was a jewel for that and Free Fire zones were my play ground. Otherwise, snakes took the same direction as artillery for close support and we used mortars for perimeter defense when we wanted tube arty. You can get close with them.
Wish Lee was here, sure he could write a book about it. I heard he invented the Ia Drang Valley. Worthless scut.
Come on, come on, only 67 left to go. I sure there is ample stupidity among this crowd THAT CAN'T EVEN IDENTIFY TWO SPRINGFIELDS to babble on to reach 300.
Come on, come on, only 67 left to go. I sure there is ample stupidity among this crowd THAT CAN'T EVEN IDENTIFY TWO SPRINGFIELDS to babble on to reach 300.
Come on, come on, only 67 left to go. I sure there is ample stupidity among this crowd THAT CAN'T EVEN IDENTIFY TWO SPRINGFIELDS to babble on to reach 300.
Said before most of us could give a schitt about 1903, of course none of us were around when it was introduced. Why don't you go over to ARAIG and eat their butts.....
Come on, come on, only 67 left to go. I sure there is ample stupidity among this crowd THAT CAN'T EVEN IDENTIFY TWO SPRINGFIELDS to babble on to reach 300.
Hows the family?
you'd think he'd have figured out by now that nobody cares....and gone back to shaggin Lee
Come on, come on, only 67 left to go. I sure there is ample stupidity among this crowd THAT CAN'T EVEN IDENTIFY TWO SPRINGFIELDS to babble on to reach 300.
OBJECTION YOUR HONOR! Speculative, inflammatory and irrelevant!
Otherwise, snakes took the same direction as artillery for close support and we used mortars for perimeter defense when we wanted tube arty. You can get close with them.
Wish Lee was here, sure he could write a book about it. I heard he invented the Ia Drang Valley. Worthless scut.
Yea, 81 mike-mikes and 105s are better than 8 inch for that. If the BB62 references what I think it does, one round would be good for a grid.
Come on, come on, only 67 left to go. I sure there is ample stupidity among this crowd THAT CAN'T EVEN IDENTIFY TWO SPRINGFIELDS to babble on to reach 300.
If this is some kind of record thread, I can't quit now, I also forgot about Old'm, he's done though, down to just little sniping remarks, BS can never keep up with those that can call it.
Come on fools, betcha your mutual admiration society can't get this to 300 posts?
LAFFIN!
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This is along the lines of a CALL OUT.
First I'd like to see alla' this bad mouthing of the ( gotta' use the word once) VENERABLE and revered 1903 Springfield Rifle ratchet down a notch,....mebbe 2. If you don't, it will verify mean-ness,....and I'll report you to the Poilitenessmen, with their hankies of steel.
OLDMAN 1942,..........You are challenged to remove alla' the "Collector's Tags" from those 2 old pelters, and have them attend, and participate in a shooting match against the 2 '03s pictured here. It would be peach t!ts if you and Lee24 could kiss and make up for that match, at least.
I'd really enjoy laying down on my belly and whipping the snot outta' both of you,....and those 2 hanger queen whatever they ares. "Big Green" will outshoot either one of those beautiful ( albeit clownish in terms of REPEATABLE potential accuracy) "Collectibles"
Than, ....we can get up and do some offhand,....what say $20.00 a pop just to start,....and see where that f=goes.
I'll use the one with the bondoed forend,......a Springfield '03 that I have all of $225 invested in, at this time.
Come on, come on, only 67 left to go. I sure there is ample stupidity among this crowd THAT CAN'T EVEN IDENTIFY TWO SPRINGFIELDS to babble on to reach 300.
Quiet here,
I'm not talking about "Identifying" anything here,.....OldEnema,
I'm talking about us taking our respective '03s out, putting some money on the table, and goin' to shootin'.
Since I'm throwing down the glove,....you and your boyfriend Lee call out the ranges, pace of fire,.....yadda.
I'd like to throw an initial $1K at this, we have GREAT folks here at this site that will hold the funds,....pending a win.
In case they are too tender to take a full match with the '03s, I'll offer to back this up at another "gentler" level. Range and protocol the choice of the challenged. Benched or offhand, no scopes, just bring what you got and let's sort it out.
I'll have to check with all of my highly placed contacts in the Arms industry to see if I can divulge all of the details regarding the design and assembly of this rifle that NONE OF YOU CAN IDENTIFY,.......YADDA, YADDA, YADDA ....SLOBBER,.....DROOL,....Belch,....fart,.....sigh.
Just kidding Tex,.....I'll do a little blurb about the homely old beast later this evening.
Maybe the lunchpail brothers shooting team will have responded by than.
So, am I to assume, now that my planetary anniversary is over and I got to catch up with the last 8 pages, that crossfireoops and Lord High master of the O.P.- Digital "D"- have challenged Framis to a duel of sorts?
Yes, Old'm has been challenged. Though he has been reduced to jumping in and spewing his ARAIG or whatever it is tripe and jumping out. He no longer can even debate on the very issues he brings up himself. No way he will accept, probably won't even acknowledge.
Yes, Old'm has been challenged. Though he has been reduced to jumping in and spewing his ARAIG or whatever it is tripe and jumping out. He no longer can even debate on the very issues he brings up himself. No way he will accept, probably won't even acknowledge.
Kent
too bad.
I'd like to call fire for GTC's artillery.....
I'd even apologize to Framis, in person, and with witnesses, for slighting his kin, if he could tell me when I slighted 'em.
I'll have to check with all of my highly placed contacts in the Arms industry to see if I can divulge all of the details regarding the design and assembly of this rifle that NONE OF YOU CAN IDENTIFY,.......YADDA, YADDA, YADDA ....SLOBBER,.....DROOL,....Belch,....fart,.....sigh.
Just kidding Tex,.....I'll do a little blurb about the homely old beast later this evening.
Maybe the lunchpail brothers shooting team will have responded by than.
GTC
Thanks but she's not homely! Any well used rifle is a beautiful thing.
I had a real passion for 1,000 yard shooting, when I blew back into the land of the free.
88 rounders on Historic Ft. Huachuca were a HOOT !,......and what had been our "Practice Day" evolved into a "600 yard Accurate rifle match". I built a small fleet of "Portable" Benches ( you can't replicate an 800 lb. cast concrete bench ) ....the order of the day was any rifle, any sights, any target,......this was before the introduction of "F Class", and I think that light was goin' on in a lotta' heads, all over the U.S. than ( 95-96 ?)
Anyhoo that's where I was hangin' and playin.....when "Big Green" came together. 600 Yards is a fair kinda' shot,.....outside of bein' 400 short of the real thing. I wanted to shoot 1000 yards, and was not financially able to go the conventional money pit route,..........
The base platform's High # Rock Islander,.....that I picked up at a Pawn shop in Wilcox ( I think, ....if not, it was from a gunshow, or shop in Tucson).....When I got it, it was in "Sporter" form,.....VERY bad form, too I might add. The drilling and tapping of the receiver for the ubiquitous Weaver Mounts had been acccomplished by drunken fools, with a burnt out Craftsman drill motor,.....at 3:00AM , behind God only knows how much bad booze. (Gee, I hope I don't upset any twits by mentioning God,.....i9n anything but a groveling tone)
..........One thing I can give the drilling crew credit for,.......outside of destroying "The Originality" of the beast,........they were too stoned, or ignorant to fool with "Spot Annealing",........in consequence,....the receiver looked likely.
Can't say that the wood was remarkable,....cuz' I don't remember it,....and where it went.
The Stock is a 52C,.....but not 1 of the 10 that I subsequently bought from SARCO,.....for $15.00 each.( These were residue from alla' the armory rack rifles,....Win 52 B & C that the Klintoons cut up, to protect us from,.....hey fuc# it,.....I don't wanna' TALK ABOUT THAT SHI$ !
.....the stock on Green was purchased from a VERY drunk old coot at a Pima County Fairgrounds show,....for the princely sum of $4.00, and a big foaming styro cup of Draught Beer ( yes, They useta' flog it out in front of the show.
It was severely cracked,....clean through on one side of the Mag slot,.....Don't really matter,....it's all " Ribbed" with T 60 aluminum imbeds,.......and buried in Krylon Camo OD.
The action is pinned and potted into a true "Flat Bottom" with Peened taper pins, and Devcon Titanium mud. A Brownell's 8MM Mauser Single shot adaptor was tossed into the pour,.......nice rifle to run,.....toss one in the "Tray" and slam the bolt shut,....The remainder of the 1 Lb. Titanium Putty kit went into the stock,....which is by itself. heavier than a lot of heavier caliber rifles. It's not an EXTREMELY heavy rifle,....at 14 Lb. But as the pics will verify,....it's a tad "Muzzle Heavy"
I'm not sure what really is up with that photo, but judging from the Heinz can...its European.... And judging from the attempt at humor...its probably British
Teng joo all, bery mucho, por de BERRY nice Peekchoors !
....now on to part 2,.....I'll toss the Part 1 in by way of keeping track.
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I had a real passion for 1,000 yard shooting, when I blew back into the land of the free.
88 rounders on Historic Ft. Huachuca were a HOOT !,......and what had been our "Practice Day" evolved into a "600 yard Accurate rifle match". I built a small fleet of "Portable" Benches ( you can't replicate an 800 lb. cast concrete bench ) ....the order of the day was any rifle, any sights, any target,......this was before the introduction of "F Class", and I think that light was goin' on in a lotta' heads, all over the U.S. than ( 95-96 ?)
Anyhoo that's where I was hangin' and playin.....when "Big Green" came together. 600 Yards is a fair kinda' shot,.....outside of bein' 400 short of the real thing. I wanted to shoot 1000 yards, and was not financially able to go the conventional money pit route,..........
The base platform's High # Rock Islander,.....that I picked up at a Pawn shop in Wilcox ( I think, ....if not, it was from a gunshow, or shop in Tucson).....When I got it, it was in "Sporter" form,.....VERY bad form, too I might add. The drilling and tapping of the receiver for the ubiquitous Weaver Mounts had been acccomplished by drunken fools, with a burnt out Craftsman drill motor,.....at 3:00AM , behind God only knows how much bad booze. (Gee, I hope I don't upset any twits by mentioning God,.....i9n anything but a groveling tone)
..........One thing I can give the drilling crew credit for,.......outside of destroying "The Originality" of the beast,........they were too stoned, or ignorant to fool with "Spot Annealing",........in consequence,....the receiver looked likely.
Can't say that the wood was remarkable,....cuz' I don't remember it,....and where it went.
The Stock is a 52C,.....but not 1 of the 10 that I subsequently bought from SARCO,.....for $15.00 each.( These were residue from alla' the armory rack rifles,....Win 52 B & C that the Klintoons cut up, to protect us from,.....hey fuc# it,.....I don't wanna' TALK ABOUT THAT SHI$ !
.....the stock on Green was purchased from a VERY drunk old coot at a Pima County Fairgrounds show,....for the princely sum of $4.00, and a big foaming styro cup of Draught Beer ( yes, They useta' flog it out in front of the show.
It was severely cracked,....clean through on one side of the Mag slot,.....Don't really matter,....it's all " Ribbed" with T 60 aluminum imbeds,.......and buried in Krylon Camo OD.
The action is pinned and potted into a true "Flat Bottom" with Peened taper pins, and Devcon Titanium mud. A Brownell's 8MM Mauser Single shot adaptor was tossed into the pour,.......nice rifle to run,.....toss one in the "Tray" and slam the bolt shut,....The remainder of the 1 Lb. Titanium Putty kit went into the stock,....which is by itself. heavier than a lot of heavier caliber rifles. It's not an EXTREMELY heavy rifle,....at 14 Lb. But as the pics will verify,....it's a tad "Muzzle Heavy"
Part 2
The barrel that makes Green a bit Muzzle Heavy was garnered by hard work,....millwrighting, welding, and rigging gear into the legacy shop that inherited all of Old Paul Marquart's tooling.
One of the memorable and worthwhile side benefits of horse trading my way into a coupla' great barrels was getting to run up to Prescott and meet Paul, not long before he left us. I'll not soon forget the look on his face as I jockeyed a large rental forklift around in his back driveway,......loading out his Bridgeport Mill. The "Coffee and Sticky Buns" break down at the local cafe,....with Fred Wells and crew was a once in a lifetime experience, too. Talk about getting to hang with the legends!
Once all the gear was spotted, and the new outfit fired up, I watched them deep hole drill, ream a 416R stainless blank 32" X 1 1/4 +", in the Browne and Sharpe double header Deep hole rig ( Springfield Armory , circa WW1 ) . The bored and reamed blank was than turned on centers,.......and than rifled in the old Pratt and Whitney sine bar cut rifler. ( also Circa WW1 Springfield Armory) .......10 twist,6 grooves, very tight bore,....each groove cut .00010" per pass,....before indexed advance. Should mention that the Box and cutter were generated on an old Sioux or Sunnen Valve grinding machine ( from flathead Ford era)....that Marquart had converted and dialed in for that tasking.
Rifled, the barrel was that centered up on the HUGE Brown and Sharpe Grinder,....and spun into a super concentric finished mode.
Hand lead lapping completed the barrel's birth cycle.
Fitting and chambering were detail conscious, and the chamber was cut with a moderate "Tight neck" ,.....nothing too extreme, in that regard.
Spooled up to the pinned and potted action,...bedded into the massively reinforced >$4.00 and a beer stock,.....I gave sincere thanks for the Burris "Posi-Line" scope ring system,......and wound up using the Largest offsets they make, to get the scope optically centered. The original 4.5 X 14 Leupold Vari X III that it once wore has been replaced with a more Spartan, and rather ancient fixed 10X Redfield Target scope.
there it is,......and I've enjoyed shooting it as much as I did Building it. LOVES the 190 SMK , but doesn't turn up it's nose at good 168s either.
again, there it is,.......not that I'd know much about the "Inherantly Accurate" .30-06 cartridge,....or the "Venerable" Springfield 1903 Rifle.
...........I've fired flintlocks with a faster lock time.
...........I've fired flintlocks with a faster lock time.
I've fired cap locks slower than that, buck up fella!
Old Renegade, after about 5, maybe 6 shots, you could almost feel the "fuze" burning...sittin' there tryin' to stay on target, waiting for that jab in the shoulder, flies buzzing 'round abouts. Interesting way to spend the afternoon.
I'm confused about BMT's Web-Fu as well.
A proclamation of sorts: I've seldom laughed so hard from a single thread in my cyber life. TFF for the average kind of guy to manage. I invented "above average" though...
Actually, upon reflection, I realize that is an unkind and unwarranted cut on the average man. Take it to mean that Lee illustrates better use as a catalyst than "average", and in fact the average man is highly elevated when compared to that litmus. Still, for the average guy, it might serve well to have professional help standing by. Just sayin'.
Bein' as how all the rest of y'all are above average there will only be a little collateral damage. Within acceptable statistical norms I'd say.
After 256 pages of posts (a record?), have we forgotten the initial positng subject?
Even the original post wasn't about the original subject. Lee24 started it, he didn't ask a gunwriter, he didn't put honest information in the original post, he purposly put misinformation in to create a desired responce. He is a TROLL, this is a troll thread.
We have not forgotten the original intent and are still following that intent in respect and rememberence of the original Troll. may he RIP.
Why is she getting you a beer out of Ingwe's fridge?
Because I was out of beer and he lives next door. He left the door unlocked. Geez do I have to explain everything? She had to put the sweater and socks on to run next door. It is cold outside you know!
At least you guys aren't so hi-strung over here that you are getting your panties all wadded up like the whiners in the Hunter's Campfire. Good grief some people get worked up over nothing!
At least you guys aren't so hi-strung over here that you are getting your panties all wadded up like the whiners in the Hunter's Campfire. Good grief some people get worked up over nothing!
I'd expect it at the Hunter's campfire.
Of course, I expect this type of harrassment at ANY hunter's campfire.
With the exception of refrigerator girl, cause Framis said kin are off-limits.
I assume virtual lap warmers should be included....
We're too old to need vagee cream or arse-nal salve anymore. Panties .... in a wad .... sounds like someone should have put their depends on this morning instead of panties.
We like it over here where we can kinda remember about fish, guns and .... oh ya .... girls, kinda.
I don't think you have any legal claim in regards to refrigerator girl. One an image is posted in a public forum on the innernet, it/she becomes public property.
I don't think you have any legal claim in regards to refrigerator girl. One an image is posted in a public forum on the innernet, it/she becomes public property.
I hesitate to say Lee24 invented anything. Suffice it to say, he referred to the elite, no BS Campfire dudes as "turdlike" in one of his frenzied moments. It was, shall we say, a catalyst? A chasm of demarcation, even a crown to be worn around the fire?
We get to beat our chests and let the grog run down our hairy chests. And we know what to do with Fridge-girls. HAR!!!!!!!!!
I did see Beowolf - but I must say there was that one fight scene that was kinda gay. I hope you didn't catch any of it. I wouldn't be posting any more pictures like that one and stay with DigitalDan - no need to go changin' your name. Let's stick to pictures of girls.
I don't think you have any legal claim in regards to refrigerator girl. One an image is posted in a public forum on the innernet, it/she becomes public property.
We're too old to need vagee cream or arse-nal salve anymore. Panties .... in a wad .... sounds like someone should have put their depends on this morning instead of panties.
We like it over here where we can kinda remember about fish, guns and .... oh ya .... girls, kinda.
Maybe somebody wants to trade. I'm kinda liking "tecate bar girl". I've got a tramp to trade and a free ticket to gun learnin school.
Thanks BMT.
Oh, and by the way DigitalDan - anybody that knows what to do with frige girl is all right in my book. The Beowolf/catchin the gay was all in good fun. I'm a sarcastic SOB.
Now come on BMT, you know that ain't Framis. His fitness team consisted of the donkeys they use to get to the bottom of the Grand Canyon. Him and Oldman had a kinky thing going on with the pack animals.
Now come on BMT, you know that ain't Framis. His fitness team consisted of the donkeys they use to get to the bottom of the Grand Canyon. Him and Oldman had a kinky thing going on with the pack animals.
fish head
I was SURE it was him, I can almost see the KettleBells . . . . .
It's been a good day. BMT has been handing out girls like there's no tomorrow. Goat girl, tecate bar girl, the tramp - it's all good. We also decided that fridge girl is now public property - sort of. There's still a little conflict on that one.
We're too old to need vagee cream or arse-nal salve anymore. Panties .... in a wad .... sounds like someone should have put their depends on this morning instead of panties.
We like it over here where we can kinda remember about fish, guns and .... oh ya .... girls, kinda.
WTF has been going on here since I last checked in two or three weeks ago? I mean the girlie pics are an improvement over the usual drivle, but I was kinda enjoying some of ya'll going back and forth with poor ol' Lee24...and what happened to the pics HE posted? Dang! I'm NEVER around when the GOOD stuff goes down...would somebody PLEASE give me the "CLIFF NOTES" version of the last 250 pages? Thanks, Pecos
PS and if something like this starts up again, it wouldn't hurt one of you pouges to send me an email so I know to join the fun!
I think you're about to have an epiphany for an article. Maybe something like "Guns of the Turdlike People on the Veldt". Or "Minuet of Fridge-Girl". Something like that. I can hear the gears turning.
WTF has been going on here since I last checked in two or three weeks ago? I mean the girlie pics are an improvement over the usual drivle, but I was kinda enjoying some of ya'll going back and forth with poor ol' Lee24...and what happened to the pics HE posted? Dang! I'm NEVER around when the GOOD stuff goes down...would somebody PLEASE give me the "CLIFF NOTES" version of the last 250 pages? Thanks, Pecos
PS and if something like this starts up again, it wouldn't hurt one of you pouges to send me an email so I know to join the fun!
I got your 6. Scroll down and find the one about missing Lee24. Or, well, lemme check my notes....it's a lot to keep track of. "Africa" forum, something about GMXs vs. TSXs or some such....
That would be one of Ingwe's dogs. They are real smart, and he made the mistake of teaching them to open the fridge many years ago.
They are both female but I have never seen either in thong underwear.
All true actually...but only one of them drinks beer, so its easy to narrow down....
They both like after dinner fru-fru type drinks, so I keep the booze in a cabinet above the fridge...
Ingwe
TFF.....my wife made an Amaretto lemonade this weekend and spent the entire time fighting the GSP for it was hilarious to watch, he wanted that drink in a bad way.....
1 part Disaronno to 2 parts of your preferred lemonade.....the wife is hooked on the stuff.....the GSP is a weird one....have watched him pass up a plate of roast beef left on the living room table to attempt to sneak a drink out of the glass of milk also sitting there...swear he would prefer to be on a liquid diet of some sort
keep in mind if given her choice Darla mixes them up in the biggest glass she can find....think her record is only getting 4 "drinks" out of one bottle of Disaronno tastes basically like a cherry lemonade.....
I suspect I'm too low key to be noticed. But anonymity has always been my goal, as evidenced by the number of people that simply refer to me as "that mutha....."
Last few evenings I've been finishing a gunstock, so I'm just hitting the thread during business hours.
with framis ignoring my request for intervention, Lee gone, and refrigerator girl rotating your beer stock, I'm afraid my motivation is just not there, anymore...
I suspect I'm too low key to be noticed. But anonymity has always been my goal, as evidenced by the number of people that simply refer to me as "that mutha....."
Last few evenings I've been finishing a gunstock, so I'm just hitting the thread during business hours.
with framis ignoring my request for intervention, Lee gone, and refrigerator girl rotating your beer stock, I'm afraid my motivation is just not there, anymore...
RWE, Been meaning to ask you, your avatar, is that king Leonidas and if so, I gotta say I like his hat! :grin;
Lot of things in common here. I've been working on refinishing my model 70 stock. I ran out of roundtuits and it's been sitting next to my computer desk/reloading bench/woodworking table for a few weeks now. I really need to get it done.
Well if I can keep the maser monkey off my back, all I need is a couple more coats of oil on it, and I can put the thing back together.
It's a long drawn out work, but it started out as the first laminated thumbhole mannlicher with a hand pinged copper end cap that has ever been made.
Once the uniqueness wore off, I cut vents in it, took about 10" off the foreend, than recontoured some of the wood to stream line it into a walking varminter.
Once I do that, I can verify that my load development hasn't been comprimised by the change in stock design, than I can load up about 250 50gr sierras and get to varminting.
Originally Posted by fish head
Ingwe, I'm not going to blame you. It's that damn BMT and his friggin pictures of frige girl.
It was all I could do to keep my CaseXX off my wrist.
Congratulations!!
yay!
I mean, shouldn't his screen have popped up with "you are being ignored by this user" if not the more appropriate, "this user would like to vanquish you to new levels of darkness"
If you click on his profile though you will notice that NOBODY has added him! That is what counts! HE can add anyone he wants, but nobody will add him.....
d care, just insist they spend the day walking bout 15 feet in front of me.....my wife: "why didnt you shoot that bird?" Me: "what bird?" THUMP! Me: "what dammit was just watching the scenery!.....enjoying my day!"
I've got a few more dead fish pictures if anybody is interested. After all I am fish head.
I realize that dead fish doesn't hold a candle to cheese or a well stocked fridge but at least I thought I would offer. I even have a few good stories to go along with the pics.
Fridge girl catchs the eye for sure, cougars are trim and fit ... at first glance no competition, cheese girl though, there's just something more real ....
Lots of them here also and south of the border. Beans and rice is a term my wife uses to describe an ample back, she says that's what is responcable for her's. Blames my love for Mexican food, I say she didn't have to eat it all ... I get the look.
Our family's favorite resturant is a little Mex food place in a small town an hour away. We drive up for most family events or whenever. It's mostly hit while fishing or hunting and if the fishings really good we'll eat there a couple times a week. My wife bich's about me getting her fat .. blah,blah. If she's not with me and I stop there, the waitresses know to make her a to go plate or she'll kill me when I get home. Figure that.
Fishing was so good 3 yrs ago we went 3 days in a row, ate mex food 3 days in a row, this picture was the third day after listening to her cry as she was stuffing her face.
Baby got back, beans and rice, I'm partial it seems.
Even in southern Mexico, there is a euro/spanish mix that creates some stunning scenery and the norm not the exception. Many tall green and blue eyed women.
OK, I have to admit I got a little bit too worked up over fridge girl. I now realize a relationship with her is just not going to happen. I can her her saying, your'e a slimy SOB, quit poking me with your fins, you got scales all over the bed, etc., etc..
I'm now going to refer to her as "ice box girl".
Cheese is good fish bait though. Especially smooth and creamy Velveeta.
Yep, Dark hair and green eyes. 1/2 mex/spanish, some of her uncles have blue eyes, her grandparents came here from mexico in the 20s. Father polish, blonde/blue.
How about Argentina..JB says they have the most beautiful women in the world....
Ingwe
Dude, Lee25 has been to Buenos Aires and reports that the women there are Atomic Powered! Very European what with the Spanish/Italian/German immigration thing, and they have the Latin urge to wear it tight and show it off. Argentina gets two thumbs up!
League of Extraordinary gentleman. I don't know who plays the vampire lady, but she's smokin'
Dat would be Charlize....
Ingwe
Nope I think that would be Peta Wilson. That movie was kinda hokey, but I loved the scene where a bad guy takes her hostage, and she whirls around and rips out his throat.
Also hard to dislike a movie where the bad guy is eventually killed by a double rifle with a Jones underlever
Glad you're not a quitter! I was never attracted to little petite chicks..... I was afraid I would break them!
I know what you mean, but the little gymnasts are TOUGH.
In retrospect, I realize that I got all of my best dates in the training room, while getting treated for the injury of the week.
I would say something like "what are you in for?" to a gymnast who was getting ice on an ankle (or wahtever) right next to me and we would be meeting to "study" later in short order.
It is comprised of pretty, healthy, happy "plus size" girls cougars, mothers of high school and college classmates and cute, muscular, little gymnasts nurses.
The cheerleaders, models, and "hot" chicks every one else avoided me.
I later learned that this is extremely common for big strong guys (I played on the O-line in college) ex-military physics majors that go on to become public safety officer/paramedics.
Had I only known that those two types of women were my "hots spots" I would not have struck out so often -- or as dramatically.
I recently read a biography of Ian Fleming, the author of the James Bond books, who was quite a lady's man just like his fictional hero. He eventually came to the conclusion that shape didn't matter nearly as much as enthustiastic.
The pic I put up was a scan from a trip we did maybe 11-12 yrs ago. Thats me standing second from right and Mz Lisa sitting in the grass. It ws a happy group. She is an ace first mate on our charters.
It is comprised of pretty, healthy, happy "plus size" girlscougars, mothers of high school and college classmates and cute, muscular, little gymnasts nurses.
The cheerleaders, models, and "hot" chicks every one else avoided me.
I later learned that this is extremely common for big strong guys (I played on the O-line in college) ex-military physics majors that go on to become public safety officer/paramedics.
Had I only known that those two types of women were my "hots spots" I would not have struck out so often -- or as dramatically.
RWE
Cougars?
Had I only known why those ladies were being so nice to me . . . . .
Those Pacific Kings have always amazed me. Each year we get a couple around 30 lbs in the Great Lakes but they are not common. We do have numbers tho.....May as well throw a boat pic in with the fish...and babes
This boat was fun because I would captain the scuba divers along the islands, it was just something I did with a friends boat occasionally. You couldn't get me to dive down with a spear. I caught more fish with a rod waiting for them to pop up.
Sometimes they would be just yards from the rocks and too tired to get out very far out, it's not easy getting in tight with a 60 footer and the swells pushing you closer. Pucker factor.
Not long after this picture they went out and lost a relative down there underwater, glad I wasn't there. They sold the boat.
Feel a need to dispel a possible misconception though and put credit where it belongs. It wasn't us that made Lee implode. Nope. Nor did we do much to send two bits away.
The solution sprang from common need and apparently, with the focus of our collective will, the seed of our dissent sprouted. First it was the Lee boys. Others seemed to have quieted too. Oldman? Where do he be?
I don't think it can be stopped by anything other than civil discourse. We have opened Pandora's Box I fear. Jeff O might be next!
Invented digital calculation to one decimal place with phalanges.
Huh ?
I don' get it. Your wit is beyond me. If it's a reference to Lee24 I'll stop right now. I don't want to go there.
fish head
Lost a chunk of the LR finger some years ago. Left with 9.3 digits. I find it useful, not a handicap. If sober I can do some fair odd calculations with my phalanges now and again. Took me 1.21 seconds to calculate Lee's IQ for example, and I still had several whole fingers left over.
Made a girl think I was scratching my brain through my nose once. Somehow, it forever flavored the relationship.
I show 139 pages of mirth. Only 161 to go guys! We'll be done by Christmas!
Invented digital calculation to one decimal place with phalanges.
Huh ?
I don' get it. Your wit is beyond me. If it's a reference to Lee24 I'll stop right now. I don't want to go there.
fish head
Lost a chunk of the LR finger some years ago. Left with 9.3 digits. I find it useful, not a handicap. If sober I can do some fair odd calculations with my phalanges now and again. Took me 1.21 seconds to calculate Lee's IQ for example, and I still had several whole fingers left over.
Made a girl think I was scratching my brain through my nose once. Somehow, it forever flavored the relationship.
I show 139 pages of mirth. Only 161 to go guys! We'll be done by Christmas!
Ok. I'm dense. I'm having a hard time reading between the lines.
caught less than 3 miles off the beach in 40ft of water. hit a sardine on a king leader while we were tied up to a rig fishing the deep sea round up out of port A
Invented digital calculation to one decimal place with phalanges.
Huh ?
I don' get it. Your wit is beyond me. If it's a reference to Lee24 I'll stop right now. I don't want to go there.
fish head
Lost a chunk of the LR finger some years ago. Left with 9.3 digits. I find it useful, not a handicap. If sober I can do some fair odd calculations with my phalanges now and again. Took me 1.21 seconds to calculate Lee's IQ for example, and I still had several whole fingers left over.
Made a girl think I was scratching my brain through my nose once. Somehow, it forever flavored the relationship.
I show 139 pages of mirth. Only 161 to go guys! We'll be done by Christmas!
Ok. I'm dense. I'm having a hard time reading between the lines.
Do you think I'm BSing?
fish head
Fish, you ain't dense and no, you ain't spinnin' yarns. This thread is a philosophical free fire zone, we're on the roll here!
I really am missing phalanges. I can flip someone off with half the effort of most mortals.
caught less than 3 miles off the beach in 40ft of water. hit a sardine on a king leader while we were tied up to a rig fishing the deep sea round up out of port A
sharks, sailfish....all kinds of other interesting critters.......can i come down? the big fish around here eat plankton or scraps on the bottom
Invented digital calculation to one decimal place with phalanges.
Huh ?
I don' get it. Your wit is beyond me. If it's a reference to Lee24 I'll stop right now. I don't want to go there.
fish head
Hey, Fish, your material is GREAT, bro.
Dan's initial response was PROBABLY intended for me,.....re: "Inventing the Number Three Thousand".
He's one of the good guys,.....
GTC
Lost a chunk of the LR finger some years ago. Left with 9.3 digits. I find it useful, not a handicap. If sober I can do some fair odd calculations with my phalanges now and again. Took me 1.21 seconds to calculate Lee's IQ for example, and I still had several whole fingers left over.
Made a girl think I was scratching my brain through my nose once. Somehow, it forever flavored the relationship.
I show 139 pages of mirth. Only 161 to go guys! We'll be done by Christmas!
Ok. I'm dense. I'm having a hard time reading between the lines.
Do you think I'm BSing?
fish head
Hey, Fish, your material is GREAT, bro.
Dan's initial response was PROBABLY intended for me,.....re: "Inventing the Number Three Thousand".
you can come down here and spend 2 bucks to get on the pier and catch 100# plus tarpon seen some that would push 300# my brother caught one that went 8 ft . i know people that have gone to central america and not caught tarpon nearly as large and spent thousands of dollars. the tarpon fishing here has been a local secret for years
caught less than 3 miles off the beach in 40ft of water. hit a sardine on a king leader while we were tied up to a rig fishing the deep sea round up out of port A
Cool. Best yellowfin fishing I ever had was out of Port A. We caught fish until we were honestly exhausted.
I used to be able to count over 20 in front of a mirror too. Then I told the Mrs. last night that I was so proud of her I put her poster on the 'Fire.....today is a much different story....I now know what pride can do......
My wife makes me wear a name tag also. So people can contact her to come get me when I'm misplaced ,,,,, I'm not sure what that means.
Kent
stupid Cali fishing laws, you have to have your license visible above the waist at all times. Of course, you also need a small Delta stamp to fish the Delta, and the warden still has to walk up close to you to see it
Got it. I used to ride down to Rio Vista and fish.
Are you coming out of the Stockton -- from the east -- or the Sacto Area (acutally Yolo/Solano) coming in from the North?
BMT
I moved to Fresno ~16 months ago, and have only been back to the Delta once since then. Before the last move I lived in the East Bay, so I would usually drive east past Antioch, through Oakley to launch on Holland Tract.
Listen, and understand! That Terminator is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
Well, chitt(ok), somebody said something about waxing philosophers and I suffered great emotional trauma. (Click Save my azz! :D) Gotta be careful about what you say around here...someone might get held down and handled..if you know what I mean.
Derail? No. Ever watch the Thunderbirds to their starburst thing? They fly up and all take off in different directions...then come back together...clever manipulation it is. There's a plan here. Might have forgotten what it is at the moment, only on cup #2. It'll come to me, I swear it will.
Maybe...ya know, back in the day we used the term "wax" in lieu of "shoot" whilst chasing NVA over hill and dale. Maybe that's it. Maybe not. Now I want to make clear, we weren't chasin' the li'l bastids around with a pot of hot wax. "Catchin' the gay" had not been invented yet.
The unusual hunting picture and the story behind it. Part I.
DigitalDan had asked about the story behind this photo. BTW, yesterday was just miscommunication between him and I. No problems here.
This photo was taken on one of three trips I was lucky enough to have gone on to Kodiak Island deer hunting. I lived in Anchorage for fourteen years and that where all the other photos of fish came from.
My buddy had met the son of the gentleman that owned the boat and he got to know him and arranged a hunt for us on Kodiak. The boat was a 60' commercial purse seiner with a refrigerated hold. The skipper made his living with the boat netting salmon and working as a tender for other boats since it was one of the few with a refridgerated hold. Sorry, no fridge girl on this one. Like most Alaskans he enjoyed hunting and was all for a deer hunting trip during his off season.
The journey started with the flight from Anchorage to Kodiak. The airport at Kodiak is very unique to say the least. On approach to Kodiak you come out of the clouds and the plane starts getting close to the water with no land in sight. Lower and lower, you can start to see the waves, lower and lower, no land in sight - are we ditching?. At the last second, at an altitude of about 30', the runway appears, tires squeal, touchdown. When you get out of the plane you realize what has just happened. At Kodiak planes can only take off and land in one direction. There's a mountain at the end of the runway that does not allow for a second chance, go around or mistake of any sort. I have no fear of flying but this one makes you go - hummm - every time.
Met up with the skipper, got a ride into town, got to see the boat, went shopping for essentials, box of wine, malt beverages, a variety of evening libations, etc..
On the trip was myself, my two friends, the skipper and a friend of his that was also a commercial fisherman that lived in Port Lyons. We picked him up in Port Lyons on our way around the north end of the island. The boat was a fantastic home for our trip for the next six days. It was a floating motel with a nice galley, warm bunks at night in the v berth, and everday a changing, waterfront million dollar view. It was a nice change from the typical hunting camp.
The northern end of Kodiak is heavily forrested with old growth spruce, some open areas, very pretty, but not the best for hunting. Too may dense areas. As you round the corner and start heading south the scenery changes, the landscape starts to open up and you start getting exicited. This is huntin' country. Open grassy hills mixed with alder patches, fewer stands of thick trees - it just looks right.
On to the hunting part. One of the adventures myself and my two friends went on, involved getting off the boat and hiking up 1200' to the top of a ridgeline and following it for about 4 miles. It had previously been hunted by some friends of the skipper and they had suggested to hunt there. They had shot a bunch of deer off this ridge just a few weeks earlier but, they also had cleaned it out. We only saw a few deer on our hike. I spotted a small spike early on in the morning at only 75 yards that I passed on. It was too early in the day to shoot a spike and drag it back down down the hill to the beach. Besides, I've learned from experience that dragging a spike with no "handles" on top is a royal pain in the azz.
We hiked the ridgeline for a couple of hours and hadn't seen anything worthy of shooting so we decided to stop for lunch at the end the spine at it highest point. There was a saddle between us and the next ridge that we glassed while we were enjoying our afternoon break. No deer so we decided to head back to a pick up point where we would catch a ride in the skiff to our floating lodge. About 20 yards around the corner of the peak where we had been sitting and eating lunch was a nearly round 4' diameter cave in the rocks facing south. THIS WAS A FREAKIN' KODIAK BROWN BEAR DEN. Talk about bearanoia. It's a very creepy feeling to realize that this cave had been clawed out of the shale by umpteen generations of Kodiak brown bears. We made losta noise and it didn't seem like anybody was at home but none of us were willing to go inside and see. Even with a flashlight and a high powered centerfire rifle in my hands I just didn't have the balls to take a look. We decided to just leave. It had been a long day and a cold one was starting to sound pretty good.
I'll do a part II later on. There's still more to the story.
One of the other interesting parts of the trip involved another hike in the bushes. My friends had hiked up an open hillside and shot a buck and a doe in a hidden draw that was not visible from the water. I'd stayed on the boat that day and had gone sightseeing with the skipper and his buddy. We were hunting but hadn't seen anything, hence the sightseeing, so a plan was made that night to hike up the hill the next day.
We started off in the morning up a steep grassy hill that went up to the snowline. We climbed to about 2000' above sealevel and decided to sidehill around the point we were on. My friends had gone up the hill a little further than I just to get spread out a little bit as we hunted and sidehilled the steep "grassy open hillside".
The open grassy part ended at the first alder choked drainage.
Normally while hunting in Alaska my buddies and I all agreed to carry cold. Usually we hunted the tundra, muskeg areas on the mainland for caribou and moose and it was always safer and prudent to carry cold in the open country. Walking in tudra/muskeg ALWAYS leads to stumbling, bumbling, hopping from one tuft to another and inevitably falling on your face or azz.
As I got into the first alder choked drainage I realized this wasn't going to be easy. It's like a friggin' jungle jim. Up, over, under, through, crawl, swing from branch to branch, rifle over the shoulder with the sling - nope carry it - nope set it down so you can past the next tangle and so on. Of course I'm carrying cold, my buddies are way the he!! up the hill and I'm alone. When I reached the bottom of the draw there was a very, very well worn game trail. That's when it hit me that this wasn't just a deer trail but a Kodiak brown bear trail also. That's when I had to rethink the whole carrying cold thing. Do I risk shooting myself in the jungle jim thicket or risk a close encounter with Mr. Teeth and Claws with an unloaded rifle. It truly put a new spin on things. Muzzle control - yeah right. I thought, well if I carry hot it'd be a lot easier to shoot myself in case of an attack cause I'm sure not going to have time to kill a freakin' Kodiak brown bear with my 06 in the alder thicket from he!!.
Each of the next four or five drainages on the "open grassy hillside" posed the same delima.
I got to as far as we had planned to go and found a nice spot overlooking a open bowl to sit until evening. Only saw one deer that day that my buddies had spooked fom up above me. I caught a fleeting glimpse of the forky as he was running above me 175 yards away. I enjoyed the scenery and also watched whales feeding in the straights below me. That was cool. It started to get late and I decided to go to the pick up point to meet the skiff. Remember I'm 2000' above sealevel on a rather steep slope. It turned out to be a lot steeper than the one we climbed up.
The ankles were a little sore from the sidehilling that day and now I faced going 1/2 mile straight down the "open grassy hillside". It was steep enough that with every step I would look for the next tuft of any kind vegetation I could grab onto in case I slipped. I didn't want my next step, with my sore ankles, to start a human toboggan run, "with jumps" on the way down the "open grassy hillside".
I made back OK, no deer, no bear just sore ankles.
This is the anything goes thread. Boobs, fish, movie reviews, sarcastic wit, meaningless drival, videos, sniper rifles ? ? ?, dissing those that deserve it, weird juju schite - whatever.
The first two parts were from our first trip to Kodiak. I was trying to remember which trip was which. We went in 2000 and 2001 so they kinda blend together plus I sometimes suffer from Anheusers disease. This part was from the second trip we went on was right before Christmas in 2001.
It was cold, snowy, sleetting, rainy, sunny - a little bit of everything. The skipper wanted to go later in the season for several reasons: bears were more likely to be less active, the snow would push the deer to the lower elavations and less hunting pressure. There wasn't many boats that ventured out, but we always saw a few of the locals that would hunt the area we went to.
On one of the last days of our hunt my buddy and I had decided to walk through a promising looking low drainage we had found. There was a lot of snow up higher so we were stuck hunting from the big boat or staying down low.
We were hunting around a lagoon that would dry up at low tide. It was about a 1/4 mile wide by 3/4 of a mile long. At the end of the lagoon was an area of open cottonwoods and meadows that was easily huntable. We got dropped off in the morning by the skiff, our other friend, the skipper and his buddy decided to stay onboard the big boat and hunt the shoreline that day.
As we walked up the trail at the edge of the lagoon we spotted a nice buck at the end and another seperate group of deer out in a meadow. We tried to close the distance on them but there was no way to keep from being out in the open as we approached. We stopped walking about 200 yards from the nice buck to set up for a shot. As soon as we quit walking he got nervous and made for the thick stuff. Bummer. The other deer that were further away also scattered so we just continued up the trail to see if we could find them and hunt the wooded area at the end of the lagoon.
We seperated and went our own way through the cottonwoods. Shortly after I heard one shot and knew that my buddy connected. I meandered on through the cottonwoods on a trail that soon had very fresh pie plate sized brown bear tracks on it. This time I was carrying locked and loaded and ready for bear. Still makes you wonder about only having a 30-06 though. After a while of following the bear I decided to go back to where my buddy was and see what he'd got. Seemed more prudent than what I was doing.
He had shot the nice buck we had seen earlier and already had him gutted so we drug him back towards the lagoon and the trail out. About halfways back we decide to leave the deer where we were and come back with the skiff when the lagoon flooded. Seemed better that dragging him the extra 1/2 mile. About 400 yards further up the trail my buddy spotted a deer out in the flats at the opening of the lagoon out on the tidal flats. I looked through my binoculars and realized it was too dark, short and husky to be a deer. It was a freakin' Kodiak brown bear.
He started moving up the flats towards us so we just stopped where we were and decided to watch him. He made his way up to where we were and got a scent of blood from the deer or just us and turned and walked straight at us. At about 75 yards my buddy had seen enough of the bear that was coming straight at us so he fired a round into the mud about three feet in front of him. The bear hardly flinched but he did turn and decided to head on up to the end of the lagoon.
As he came up and out of the lagoon he crossed the trail that we were on and had dragged the deer on. One sniff and he was now once again heading towards us and straight for the deer we had left behind. We sat and watched as he followed the scent trail and we then noticed that a red fox had found the deer. When the bear got to the deer the fox was standing on top of the carcass and barked at him and actually made the bear step back til he remembered that he was a bear and a little fox ain't schit. It was funny as hell !!!
After all the fun we headed out and left the deer to the bear and fox and returned to our floating motel for dinner and libations with a good story to tell.
There is still more if anybody wants to hear it or we can go back to just sillyness and boobs.
I had to work a 12 hour day today...and am so proud of you guys for this thread maintenance.... I'm too pooped to dispense my usual dynamically clever banter......
But, I just thought Id give you a cyber high five!!!
Boobs are good, but how'd them deer wind up in the boat? Curious minds and all that....foxes are brash critters, it would have been tough for me to leave the deer to the bear. However, I invented discretion..............
How did this thread go from "US military sniper rifles" to boobs?
I'm just wondering how much Mastitis ointment would be required to treat all of the mammaries so reverentially presented, were we to be hit with an outbreak ?
As far as the "Bag Balm Applicator" slot that was open,....forget it.
I've been busy today so I haven't had a chance to finish "the rest of the story".
In keeping with the original theme of this thread I can tell you it involved military sniper rifles chambered in the obscure .400 whelen super uper duper that I invented. DRT - bang flop kills at ranges from 287.3 to 896.7 yards with iron sights and all from a moving, swaying, rocking boat. In a blinding snowstorm.
I've been busy today so I haven't had a chance to finish "the rest of the story".
In keeping with the original theme of this thread I can tell you it involved military sniper rifles chambered in the obscure .400 whelen super uper duper that I invented. DRT - bang flop kills at ranges from 287.3 to 896.7 yards with iron sights and all from a moving, swaying, rocking boat. In a blinding snowstorm.
fish head
You are a man's man! I've done that with a scope and radar FDC, but irons...my Gawd man...you rock!
Did you ever hear of the .458-06 that I invented? Deathly quiet it was. Get it? "Deathly..." HAR!
I LOVE watching a woman fly fish...they ARE more graceful than men..
Ingwe
Bass fishing on the Delta a couple years ago, it was fall, and a cool day. I passed a bass boat that had an attractive lady fly fishing on the bow. She was dressed for the weather, long sleeve shirt, khaki pants, and long brown hair in a ponytail. On the back seat was a guy, just sitting there, watching her cast. Mesmerized.
I think if a whole boatload of bikini girls had cruised by, he wouldn't have noticed.
Is an azzhat one of those things you find in the dispenser above the toilet in a public restroom?
Never have been quite sure about this one.
No. That would be an ass gasket. A asshat would be a guy who is really close to, but not quite an ass hole IMHO.
I only asked because sometimes I like to take a hat out of the dispenser, put one on my head (their kinda like a cowboy hat) and wear it while I ride the throne.
Is an azzhat one of those things you find in the dispenser above the toilet in a public restroom?
Never have been quite sure about this one.
No. That would be an ass gasket. A asshat would be a guy who is really close to, but not quite an ass hole IMHO.
I only asked because sometimes I like to take a hat out of the dispenser, put one on my head (their kinda like a cowboy hat) and wear it while I ride the throne.
YEEEE HAAAAA ! ! !
I should have said porcelain pony instead of throne.
Get along little doggie. You'all is goin' fer a swim in the pond.
I haven't viewed this thread in a long long time. But I can't keep away from a super unlimited thread, and a 322 pages, I knew I oughta check it out again... I no longer have anyidea what this thread is about, but I see there are hot chicks, flyfishing beer guns and knives, so it's obviously worthwhile... a small contribution...
I checked the satellite imagery records for Arizoni back in Dec. of '02. There were no indications of powder burns but there was a couple of ham bushes sighted. Later on it rained and they made midget hams. That's a lot different than the kind Bill Clinton lived with.
I think it does, but last time I was there it was -22* F and it mostly looked like snow. Could be wrong about the rain, but it sure as heck snows around Flagstaff now and then.
I like the not-shopped version better. Probably couldn't strain her back in real life.
True,
But I don't understand why ingwe would be so insensitive to my fragile psyche.
This kind of public outing is catastrophic, and I can only assume he is trying to detract from the scandal of his role in that superbowl commercial that CBS is banning.
I think you're stretching the truth a little. I remember hearing my mother telling someone KMA when I was just a kid. I think that was before your time. But, I did get a laugh out of your post, which is a good way to start the day.
Please confirm your claim by posting a pic of your engineering feat of Warp Drive...
Did you develope it in secret in South Carolina???
I'm just saying.....
I invented Impulse Power...but could never get to Warp drive..
Which reminds me of a question no one has been able to answer..does Warp Drive progress Arithmetically, or exponentially???
As in " Warp Factor"....
Inquiring Minds...
Ingwe
Sorry, the picture is too fast for the human eye to resolve. Actually, it was invented somewhere between Iowa and Great Falls, but the occurrence was too fast to accurately log.
Warp is linear progression. Warp 2.0 will have an exponential option but will require a liability waiver. "Why?", you ask.
OK DD...now that I have an answer to my Warp Question...can you explain to me why the original Star trek series had dash read outs that looked like odometers..instead of Digital or LED technology..???
I presume you invented Digital.....just a guess....
Ingwe, the reason for that was not unlike the on again, off again nostalgia crazes that our society craves. It is a fundamental facet of human kind that the past is viewed as a comfort zone of sorts. How the instruments represent is largely irrelevant so long as the information is presented. Humanoid minds are very adaptable and for support of that I would give you the 24 HR Campfire...the synergy of which could not really be invented, it just sort of happened.
I would offer a small correction to your question. Digital instrumentation may be represented in many ways, to include LED displays. So too may analog data. It is not the display, it is the format of presentation which differentiates "digital" from "analog". Analog doesn't do fractions on the instrument panel very well, if at all.
Marc, we appreciate that a great deal. I puzzle though about the origins of the Klingons. Ingenuity in design of the Klingons is legend of course, but the D'k tahg or Mek'leth...man...you don't take knives to a phaser fight! Even the Feringis know that.
A third of a thousand, according to my page counter. We COULD put it to sleep honorably, at this point, but I'd like to see Curvy Kate one more time before this thread succumbs.........
A third of a thousand, according to my page counter. We COULD put it to sleep honorably, at this point, but I'd like to see Curvy Kate one more time before this thread succumbs.........
Yes. But in reality she was a coke snortin' whore.
I was a writer in the original series and brought the whole concept of "pan far" to the script. I went undercover to prove that it was a viable concept and worthy of adding in to the story line.
A third of a thousand, according to my page counter. We COULD put it to sleep honorably, at this point, but I'd like to see Curvy Kate one more time before this thread succumbs.........
Try as I might, I can't find her in a French Maid outfit... But the hour spent looking at very softcore titty porn went well with my Cheerios and coffee before work yesterday.
BMT?? Kurvy Kate in a French Maid outfit??? That would make you the Web-Fu master
I had backpacked into a wilderness area scouting out springs. Coming from the last one right at dark I almost step on a rattler that was buzzing me, it finally realized I couldn't hear it and jumped out of the way before I stepped on it, it was pissed. I tol'it I was sorry but it was pissed so I waved goodbye laughing and got to my tarp camp.
I shine my light and there's this thing as big as my thumb crawling on my tarp, I mean right on it, big pinchers on the front and UGLY!!!
I swing my hat at it to squish it but the tarp slings it out into the dark like a trampoline, I look but can't find it.
All I think about is that thing coming back and crawling on my face while asleep ..... Id'a screamed like a little girl ... F'n bugs.
I feel like I've been missing out on the conversation tonight.
I'm also feeling a little bit down and out.
I haven't had anybody to yell at today since Olman quit posting yesterday. His last post was so ludicrous I didn't even bother to post a comment. Besides he's no fun to pick on since he doesn't even get my sarcastic wit and humor.
If anybody wants to say something stoopid - I'll make a comment.
I had backpacked into a wilderness area scouting out springs. Coming from the last one right at dark I almost step on a rattler that was buzzing me, it finally realized I couldn't hear it and jumped out of the way before I stepped on it, it was pissed. I tol'it I was sorry but it was pissed so I waved goodbye laughing and got to my tarp camp.
I shine my light and there's this thing as big as my thumb crawling on my tarp, I mean right on it, big pinchers on the front and UGLY!!!
I swing my hat at it to squish it but the tarp slings it out into the dark like a trampoline, I look but can't find it.
All I think about is that thing coming back and crawling on my face while asleep ..... Id'a screamed like a little girl ... F'n bugs.
Got them damn things in SW Wyoming. They are strange crickets
I had backpacked into a wilderness area scouting out springs. Coming from the last one right at dark I almost step on a rattler that was buzzing me, it finally realized I couldn't hear it and jumped out of the way before I stepped on it, it was pissed. I tol'it I was sorry but it was pissed so I waved goodbye laughing and got to my tarp camp.
I shine my light and there's this thing as big as my thumb crawling on my tarp, I mean right on it, big pinchers on the front and UGLY!!!
I swing my hat at it to squish it but the tarp slings it out into the dark like a trampoline, I look but can't find it.
All I think about is that thing coming back and crawling on my face while asleep ..... Id'a screamed like a little girl ... F'n bugs.
Got them damn things in SW Wyoming. They are strange crickets
super glue & a fish hook, that might be a dandy big trout lure...
Got them damn things in SW Wyoming. They are strange crickets
Keith...have you got Mormon Crickets down there..they look like Cave crickets but are big azzed bugs..Ive seen them in the Park, so I figger youve got them..
Got them damn things in SW Wyoming. They are strange crickets
Keith...have you got Mormon Crickets down there..they look like Cave crickets but are big azzed bugs..Ive seen them in the Park, so I figger youve got them..
Got them damn things in SW Wyoming. They are strange crickets
Keith...have you got Mormon Crickets down there..they look like Cave crickets but are big azzed bugs..Ive seen them in the Park, so I figger youve got them..
Hope so...supposed to be cold tommorow, but no wind, and some sunshine, so Im goin to the range..prolly told you I found a load on the 3rd try, took it out to 200 and 300 yds and it managed to hold together .5 moa the whole way out ( ! ) That is shooting 53 gr. TSXs...tommorow Ill be experiementing with finding a cheaper load to practice with.... Got Weds. off too, and its supposed to be 30 degrees, overcast, no wind...perfect, so ill prolly be shooting that day too..
55 Horns indeed...least thats what Im tryin first...Ive got 5000 of them...... It worked fine before the AI to switcho- change-o the two, so maybe.....
Just means simply that he has " Caught the Gay"...
I had some stuff to add, but photobucket is acting up again....
Suffice it to say rumors are rampant about Digital Dan...especially cause hes vacationing where there is no internet or, presumably, cell phone service..
He will have to settle for whatever "service" he can get...
I'm just sayin.........
Ingwe
BTW: theres no internet on Brokeback Mountain......FYI
Didn't Elton write "Its seven a clock and I wanna cock, wanna getta belly fulla queer"
or was it Bernie?
Gawd, that just ruined for me. I know Elton John is a [bleep] - but I always try and look past it cause I like some of his older stuff. Now I just don't know.
Didn't Elton write "Its seven a clock and I wanna cock, wanna getta belly fulla queer"
or was it Bernie?
Gawd, that just ruined for me. I know Elton John is a [bleep] - but I always try and look past it cause I like some of his older stuff. Now I just don't know.
Back in the day with him and Bernie he still banged chicks - not that it's any better - but at one time he still liked puzzy - that was before he went and caught the uncurable full blown homo friggin gay.
I to want to thank everybody for their diligent efforts in searching soft porn sites to come up with the provacative and interesting pictorial images that have been portrayed here.
In addition, my education in becoming a smartazz has been immeasurably enhanced through the teachings of the turdlike people on this site.
That photo minimizes her ass-et that is a major part of her appeal to the lovers of big curves. She's an outlier w.r.t. my range of preference. She has "too much" but I still find her nice because it's so well arranged.
I know I'll be hearing howls from the crew who believes there's no such thing as too much.
I much prefer that tall gal with the ten foot legs. Stacy is it?
I asked him about his school; wasn't sure I could afford the tuition. He said that he takes travellers checks, so I'm going to print some. It will make his classes affordable.
Seriously, don't you guys have better things to do than spending time finding pictures of beautiful women that have been air-brushed into unrealistic fantasy objects? I'd rather spend time with my wife...
Seriously, don't you guys have better things to do than spending time finding pictures of beautiful women that have been air-brushed into unrealistic fantasy objects? I'd rather spend time with my wife...
Seriously, don't you guys have better things to do than spending time finding pictures of beautiful women that have been air-brushed into unrealistic fantasy objects? I'd rather spend time with my wife...
Seriously, don't you guys have better things to do than spending time finding pictures of beautiful women that have been air-brushed into unrealistic fantasy objects? I'd rather spend time with my wife...
DD I hope you didnt see the videos of us RWE made and put on the "Ingwe Computer" thread...they will sentence you to a lifetime of expensive counseling....
DD I hope you didnt see the videos of us RWE made and put on the "Ingwe Computer" thread...they will sentence you to a lifetime of expensive counseling....
No, missed that. My 'puter came down with swine flu and has been a royal PITA for the last few days. Think it's fixed now...off to TLH to peddle some guns, catch up on the smut when I get back.
You should be doing the Val Kilmer "Doc Holliday" line on alla' these comedians,....
" Should I hate Him / Them ? "
GTC
Gawd, I hope I'm not one of the smartazz comedians that mentioned the gay that you're refering to.
ingwe, I was trying to cover your back (not that it would make any difference) while you were absent the other day. It was the other guys that kept posting wiseazz comments.
ingwe, I was trying to cover your back (not that it would make any difference) while you were absent the other day. It was the other guys that kept posting wiseazz comments.
Really.
fish head
I'll bet you were tryin to "cover his back".....in a gayish sexual way!
Like humpback mountain...... whooo weee! the gayness is rampant!
When you mention friend and turdlike in one sentence that could be interpreted as kinda gay. It's that fixation on things that come from somebody's azz that's worrisome.
When you mention friend and turdlike in one sentence that could be interpreted as kinda gay. It's that fixation on things that come from somebody's azz that's worrisome.
I guess that could be.....I will be more careful next time.
I actually didn't watch it all the way through, my wife was hanging around somewhere, I got scairt, I hope there wasn't something really bad at the end ....
Kent there is no tellin how many you saved from the gay with that.
Tom was saved, but I have questions about Tom . . . . . .
I heard they went all "Nascar" 'n' stuff, doing a lot of 'bumpdrafting', but I forget who I heard it from........... It was probably Dave, he's all knowing about that kind of behavior...
I'm really sorry...I got an infection from PB that crashed my 'puter, and so did a couple others, Im waiting for word that they cleaned up their end...
We had some big time moonshiner near Wilson NC named Percy Flowers....it trickled down from his operation usually...he was big time back in the day...
Then we got some from a runner in western NC...
Bought a car from a moonshine runner in Ga. when I lived there, a chevy supersport convertibvle with a mongo engine...Feds used to stop us every time we went into the woods with that car it seemed.....
My bud that I hunt with in Franklin county dad built the motors in a bunch of shine running cars. He's in his 70s now and only has the use of one hand but is still magic with a wrench!
I dunno about the cars, but my Great-Grandfather and other chronies in town (Templeton, IA) made some stuff called Templeton Rye; distributed it to some dude named Capone...
Before the widespread use of cars Grampa here in MT used to "deliver" goods in a buckboard during the depression, wearing a buffalo robe coat in the winter. He thought it was odd...all he had to do was take wagon from point A to Point B,and when he checked on it in the morning, it was empty, except for a little wad of cash left for him.....
I met a couple of those guys while I was down there...got drunk with Cale Yarborough one night...wish I could remember it... I'd tell you all about it.....
NFW - Besides cartoon or not, that one works for me. I'm a fridge girl fanboy. If I got a hold of that, the only way I'd let her go is to pry her away from my cold, dead hands.
Well maybe, in real life she might a bish - there's is always that possibility.
He said it was "undercover work" for the good of the fire.
Probably just an excuse though.
Update: Just heard from RWE and last night he met up with his new friends from the video. They started drinking and the alcohol had a depressive effect on him and he started questioning his sexuality. His friends wanted to help and they invited him to a gay drunken orgy.
He's still trying to recover, but said he'd be back online shortly with a report on his "undercover work". I really don't want to hear about it.
You have to be very careful about what you say on this thread. "Bump draft" can easily be misconstrued and since you're here and can defend yourself, I won't make a futher comment.
It's a shame to see one of the members here go down in flames or should I say - go down flaming. RWE seemed OK. Maybe it's just false rumors.
If the rumors are true maybe he could just put it behind him - oops - that wouldn't work - putting things behind him is what may have got him in trouble in the first place.
All we can do is hope that he has a change of heart and wish for a speedy recovery from the gay.
I'll have some of the biathalon guys ski over there and "take five"....
Since you've sentenced me to doom, as a last request could you send Sweden's Woman's Biathalon team over. And could they stop in for a couple of hours before taking five?
OK. I realize I'm goin' to hell for what I said. Yes, and I know the turds in hell are dry enough to smoke - but I promise I'll have a fresh sizzler waitin' for each and everyone of yous.
It's nice to see you posting girl pics. I can tell there is abbsolutely no gay on your end. The speculation and rumors that everyone was spreading yesterday were unjust and false. I feel good knowing that I didn't take part in that.
It's nice to see you posting girl pics. I can tell there is abbsolutely no gay on your end. The speculation and rumors that everyone was spreading yesterday were unjust and false. I feel good knowing that I didn't take part in that.
I like this one. She has the best attributes of fridge girl with a litte somethin' extra. Some parts look store bought - but I wouldn't be scairt of holdin' em against me.
I'm looking foward to this thread reaching 50,000 views. That's a small city's worth of people finding out valuable information on US military sniper rifles.
I wonder just how many people have stumbled on to this thread looking for that valuable information and found something slightly different?
I'm looking foward to this thread reaching 50,000 views. That's a small city's worth of people finding out valuable information on US military sniper rifles.
I wonder just how many people have stumbled on to this thread looking for that valuable information and found something slightly different?
What I like about that one, aside from being the sort I could get lost in real quick...least ways from the looks of her...her pants are so low I know she can't outrun me.
I just googled "US military sniper rifles" and this thread is on the third page. Everyone here has earned their place in US military sniper rifle history.
I just googled "US military sniper rifles" and this thread is on the third page. Everyone here has earned their place in US military sniper rifle history.
I just googled "US military sniper rifles" and this thread is on the third page. Everyone here has earned their place in US military sniper rifle history.
I cannot believe this thing is still going. I guess that means we may never run out of hot women. Thank god for tanning beds and plastic surgery. I just wanted to remain part of the history. I hadn't posted on this thread in about a month.
There is no way the male figure skaters could be anything but squishy in the heels.... If I had to do that in my prime theyd nickname me "Tripod" out on the ice...
There is no way the male figure skaters could be anything but squishy in the heels.... If I had to do that in my prime theyd nickname me "Tripod" out on the ice...
There is no way the male figure skaters could be anything but squishy in the heels.... If I had to do that in my prime theyd nickname me "Tripod" out on the ice...
Ingwe
Fall on your nose a lot, eh?
Nooo...if you're doin it right, you have something soft and warm covering and protecting your nose.....
There is no way the male figure skaters could be anything but squishy in the heels.... If I had to do that in my prime theyd nickname me "Tripod" out on the ice...
Ingwe
Fall on your nose a lot, eh?
Nooo...if you're doin it right, you have something soft and warm covering and protecting your nose.....
There is no way the male figure skaters could be anything but squishy in the heels.... If I had to do that in my prime theyd nickname me "Tripod" out on the ice...
Ingwe
Fall on your nose a lot, eh?
Nooo...if you're doin it right, you have something soft and warm covering and protecting your nose.....
When's womens curling? It's such a strange game - but for some reason I really like it. The Scandic women's teams are great.
fish head
I got a thing for Anette Norberg.
Man that chick can hurl a stone.
The best thing about womens curling is this:
1: chicks 2: they're either hot, or look like they drink beer - either is OK. 3: two of them are sweeping a broom really fast (which is downright erotic) 4: meanwhile another yells out orders, usually yelling "HARDER" "HARDER" or "SOFT SOFT" depending on how they want the other one's to sweep.
When's womens curling? It's such a strange game - but for some reason I really like it. The Scandic women's teams are great.
fish head
I got a thing for Anette Norberg.
Man that chick can hurl a stone.
The best thing about womens curling is this:
1: chicks 2: they're either hot, or look like they drink beer - either is OK. 3: two of them are sweeping a broom really fast (which is downright erotic) 4: meanwhile another yells out orders, usually yelling "HARDER" "HARDER" or "SOFT SOFT" depending on how they want the other one's to sweep.
Youre the only one I ever heard use the "FF look" besides an old girlfreind..
Visited her some months after the break up ( amicable, consensual, and freindly) and she took one look a me and said "Well....you must be doing OK, you've got that FF look...."
Your inability to understand a discussion does not mean the rest of us "lack credibility". You are simply too ignorant to keep up, much less judge us.
If I missed any serious questions by serious posters, I will read back through here and answer those later, with photos and other documentation, if I have time. Some have probably been already covered in other threads.
Magmarc: One of the definitions for being looked down upon as a "turdlike" person is having the tendency to never add anything positive or substantial to a conversation yet being ever willing to immaturely snipe at others! You have proven, in spades, you are NOTHING but a turdlike person. And thats a shame! The world needs fewer turdlike persons! Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
The harmless rabbit and Mister Squirrel I'm gonna use you two guys to do my DIRTY work for me Scum, slime, menace to the golfing industry You are the lowest member of the food chain and will prolly be replaced by the RAT The only good varmunt poon tang is dead varmunt poon tang I think LONG LIVE THE US MILITARY SNIPER THREAD!!!!!! Hold into the wind or have someone hold it for you
I have ambitions of becoming a turd but the opportunity has continued to slip by. Some day my dream will come true.
Sincerely, Slider
Leave your britches on, don't take them off for any reason, and in a couple of days I guarantee you'll be turdlike. Your friends will notice too. Stop sliding and you will be one of the merry band. Don't let an opportunity like this slip away.
I thought to myself, "Darn, this thread should be a sticky!" Then I realized how metaphorically wrong that was. I'm not high, really.
Still, in just 3 days this thread will have been running for 2 months. Speaks volumes about the merit of synergy and bright minds with no boundaries, no?
Maybe it should be a sticky, but I think it's best to wait till after the award ceremony.
Went down to the Upick Dingle Berry field, they had nothing ripe on the vine. Actually they were going through some kinda vine blight that had reduced the number of vines substantially. They also were experiencing a littering issue lately with empty orange juice cans, used razors, empty nair for men containers and the occasional tweezer. Hmmmm.....
They had plenty of ripe boogers, the green variety..... if anyone was looking...
The search for enlightened turdness is a pilgrimage few travel....
I thought to myself, "Darn, this thread should be a sticky!" Then I realized how metaphorically wrong that was. I'm not high, really.
Still, in just 3 days this thread will have been running for 2 months. Speaks volumes about the merit of synergy and bright minds with no boundaries, no?
Maybe it should be a sticky, but I think it's best to wait till after the award ceremony.
Aside from the fact that we would have had to get the shovel, quicklime, and a blood oath together, this whole thread should have taken place around a campfire...
I just gotta say, my perfect fantasy day has been realized by the valuable information that I've found while reasearching US military sniper rifles.
Wake up, little romp in the morning, get out of bed, stumble into the kitchen and find the woman I 've just romped with smiling and cooking me a hearty breakfast for a job well done. Then off for a little flyfishing with April and if time or weather permitting get into a few holes with golf girl. Back home, a few shots of tequila with the girls and then a steady stream of models for my evenings pleasure. Get out of bed for a late night snack and what do I find, both versions of fridge girl wanting to make me a sandwich.
Just got home from a nasty night in the ER, looking for some turd-like camaraderie, then THIS pic shows up. I am SO disappointed. No way a FF female's makeup would look that good. The rest, yes, but the flawless makeup spoils the pic. There should be one false eyelash hangin' by a... well, an eyelash, and so forth...
Ah, chit. I'm too tired to make a point here. Goin' ta bed. Have a genuinely turdlike day, gentlemen.
Just got home from a nasty night in the ER, looking for some turd-like camaraderie, then THIS pic shows up. I am SO disappointed. No way a FF female's makeup would look that good. The rest, yes, but the flawless makeup spoils the pic. There should be one false eyelash hangin' by a... well, an eyelash, and so forth...
Ah, chit. I'm too tired to make a point here. Goin' ta bed. Have a genuinely turdlike day, gentlemen.
No such thing as too perfect when it comes to fantasies my friend.
Just got home from a nasty night in the ER, looking for some turd-like camaraderie, then THIS pic shows up. I am SO disappointed. No way a FF female's makeup would look that good. The rest, yes, but the flawless makeup spoils the pic. There should be one false eyelash hangin' by a... well, an eyelash, and so forth...
Ah, chit. I'm too tired to make a point here. Goin' ta bed. Have a genuinely turdlike day, gentlemen.
The makeup, lipstick, etc. doesn't always have to be out of place. It's not like you have kiss em in the morning. The important parts may not show any signs of wear at all and besides, they're covered up.
What makes this picture interesting is that this is how I used to clean my M-16. Seriously, take it into the shower and run full hot water through the lower receiver.
But I figured you'd prefer this to a pic of me in the shower.
She is definitely one of the prettiest girls in this entire thread. And not just 'cause her behind's sticking out, though that doesn't detract from anything either.
Now I'm gonna do something for all you 50 somethings thinking like you're 18. Remember that cute little snugly brunette from back in the early 80s? The one that really spooled you up, a little bit older than you? Maybe 10 years or so? Sure you do! Now, near 30 years later........ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
here's one to change the direction. my wife shooting trap with her new o/u 20 gauge. i think real life wife pics score high points with some of us. not just fridge girl type pics !
Great pictures like2shoot, that's it, teach them to shoot so they can finish you off quick if they get upset. I tell mine, no use to make a mess of it.
hw, very nice, sump'in bout a woman in camo.... oh nice elk also...
Steelhead has a full tank of gas and just left town headed west!!!!
I like Scott, but he better have another tank of gas cause she can turn her nose up better than most and if you don't like it, prone to shoot'in, stead'a arguing the point.
Shouldn't post this on the sniper thread but oh well. What few pictures I have were old Polaroids and such when we were dating, pretty crappy. I made this for my wife this Christmas to cheer her up and snuck it on her facebook.
Seriously, I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to import my next old lady
If she's the type of girl that can wake up in a tent in September, and can't make up her mind on whether to hunt Bull Elk, or go fly fishing for Bull Trout, she's my kind of girl
Well, I wasn't looking to tell war stories, but there was some Aussie Huey pilots I met during the SEA War Games....you ever get a chance to drink some of their beer....be afraid. Be very afraid. Have a neutral party to oversee what goes on after you quit remembering the night...trust me.
I had a tequila thing going for a while but one day on the bus trip back to fort sill, some mutant worm at the bottom had me seeing a flat rainbow coming through the windshield. I seem to recall frogs and leprechauns too.
I eased off the bottle and promised to never buy anything else from this guy:
Although beer is now the most popular alcoholic drink in Australia, this was not always the case. The drink of choice for the first settlers and convicts was rum �
Cut yer name across me backbone Stretch me skin across yer drum Iron me up on Pinchgut Island From now to Kingdom Come. I'll eat yer Norfolk Dumpling Like a juicy Spanish plum, Even dance the Newgate Hornpipe If ye'll only gimme Rum!
Seriously, I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to import my next old lady
If she's the type of girl that can wake up in a tent in September, and can't make up her mind on whether to hunt Bull Elk, or go fly fishing for Bull Trout, she's my kind of girl
Unfortunately, if she ever ditched her hubby you would have to move here. He's from Chi town and the law was laid down on she's an Az girl, camping/fishing is mandatory, get your city butt out there and shoot me an elk. He calls it the,"Kill the son-in-law hunt" just cause there was rain, snow, hazardous terrain and killing the elk was the worst thing that happened. It almost killed him packing it out... I ended up packing most of it out anyway.
I asked him if he want's to put in again and she just laughs, say's he still hasn't recovered yet... it's been two years...
On your resume, make sure and list all backpacking experience... she won't wait for you on the trail if you falter.
Drinking Aussie beer, with thrice kidneyed roughnecks in the outback?
Ya might as well smeared mayonnaise on your arse and put your undies on your head before you walked off the tarmac....
Geez, man, give a guy some warning, woodja? Nother keyboard sprayed with coffee & snot here... fortunately, the hospital has put a waterproof cover on my office keyboard because they're tired of replacing 'em...
Drinking Aussie beer, with thrice kidneyed roughnecks in the outback?
Ya might as well smeared mayonnaise on your arse and put your undies on your head before you walked off the tarmac....
Geez, man, give a guy some warning, woodja? Nother keyboard sprayed with coffee & snot here... fortunately, the hospital has put a waterproof cover on my office keyboard because they're tired of replacing 'em...
Drinking Aussie beer, with thrice kidneyed roughnecks in the outback?
Ya might as well smeared mayonnaise on your arse and put your undies on your head before you walked off the tarmac....
Geez, man, give a guy some warning, woodja? Nother keyboard sprayed with coffee & snot here... fortunately, the hospital has put a waterproof cover on my office keyboard because they're tired of replacing 'em...
I fire for effect from the getgo, doc.
creepin 'em in ain't good, and I never was too fond of brackets either.
Best you get is a one round adjust, than you best hold on to your azz, covered in mayo or not.
Herradura huh, well I guess the Cuervo did make him a little goofy, he wasn't too concerned on protecting is arse neither... Where's the mayo... steady there big boy..
Only had one takillya that was good. Some high dollar stuff my cousin had. very smooth. no burn. but it still tasted like takillya. give me a good bourbon or whiskey any day.
I been away for a while...krp great pics and youtube video.
Someday I should scan all my chopper pics, just to balance this out properly. I'd call the album, "Death is my business and business is good." Or some such macho BS.
Seriously, I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to import my next old lady
If she's the type of girl that can wake up in a tent in September, and can't make up her mind on whether to hunt Bull Elk, or go fly fishing for Bull Trout, she's my kind of girl
Unfortunately, if she ever ditched her hubby you would have to move here. He's from Chi town and the law was laid down on she's an Az girl, camping/fishing is mandatory, get your city butt out there and shoot me an elk. He calls it the,"Kill the son-in-law hunt" just cause there was rain, snow, hazardous terrain and killing the elk was the worst thing that happened. It almost killed him packing it out... I ended up packing most of it out anyway.
I asked him if he want's to put in again and she just laughs, say's he still hasn't recovered yet... it's been two years...
On your resume, make sure and list all backpacking experience... she won't wait for you on the trail if you falter.
DOH!!! So its not just Montana where women are like parking spots.... All the good ones are taken, the only ones left are either handicapped or way the [bleep] out there.
Now tons of schitty weather, and a dead Elk, and backpacks sounds like an ideal week vacation in mid September to me
Dang it Dan, where were you? I'm getting up there and need a pack mule... oops... pack son ..... oops .... son-in-law that can pack, yea that's it... crap
Props are OK, so are rotors. You'll notice in this picture the rotors did not fail. It was a Blue Max Snake that caught a Strella missile near Con Thon, RVN, June of '72. Saw it happen and both crewman survived w/o serious injury. Contrary to the painting, there were no clouds. There was a white exhaust trail from the launch site upon which Hell itself rained a few moments later.
I admit, tassel girl - no wait - how about tassel skank - no, that's a little harsh. OK. How about tassel tramp? Yeah that works.
What I was trying to say was trassel tramp ain't the best lookin'. My google-fu was weak oh great Poobah. I was actually looking for pretty propeller driven hooters and I had to settle for her.
fish head, your lack of discretion in this case is forgiven. Go and may you find better women to post in the future...
Yeah, tassel tramp is a little over the top...but you gotta admit one thing, when they have a tattoo "sleeve" and porn star blonde hair, they will likely do anything.... That one is better suited to Dan Adair...
Damn DD, you're older than I thought. Good to see you haven't lost your sense of humor.
fish head
I haven't yet lost The Way of Turdlike People. As for my age, well, I posted this earlier somewhere, maybe this thread. It bears repeating, for........
I was born about ten thousand years ago There ain't nuthin' in this world that I don't know I saw Peter Paul and Moses playin' ring-around-the-roses And I'll whup the guy what says it isn't so Well, I'm just a lonesome traveler, a great historical bum Highly educated through history I have come I built the Rock of Ages, it was in the year oh one And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done I saw Adam and Eve driven from the door I'm the guy that picked the figleaves that they wore And from behind the bushes peepin' saw the apple they was eatin' And I swear that I'm the one that et the core Now I built the garden of Eden, it was in the year oh two Joined the apple-pickers union and I always paid my dues I'm the man that signed the contract to raise the risin' sun And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done I taught Samson how to use his mighty hand I showed Columbus to this happy land And for Pharaoh's little kiddies I built all the pyramiddies And to the Sahara carried all the sand Now I was strawboss on the pyramids and the tower of Babel too I opened up the ocean, let the mighty children through I fought a million battles and I never lost a one And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done I taught Solomon his little ABC's I'm the first one to eat Limburger cheese And while floating down the bay with Methuseleh one day I saw his whiskers floating in the breeze Now I fought the revolution that set this country free It was me and a couple of Indians that dumped the Boston tea I won the battle of Valley Forge and the battle of Bully Run And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done Now Queen Elizabeth she fell in love with me We were married in Milwaukee secretly But I got tired and shook her and ran off with General Hooker To go shootin' skeeters down in Tennessee I was born about ten thousand years ago There ain't nuthin' in this world that I don't know I saw Peter Paul and Moses playin' ring-around-the-roses And I'll whup the guy what says it isn't so!
I wrote this song for Woodie Guthrie long before he was born. Sadly, Lee24 dropped some acid and thought it was about him.
Dan...the other. You can trust me with your daughters. Probably.
Damn DD, you're older than I thought. Good to see you haven't lost your sense of humor.
fish head
I haven't yet lost The Way of Turdlike People. As for my age, well, I posted this earlier somewhere, maybe this thread. It bears repeating, for........
I was born about ten thousand years ago There ain't nuthin' in this world that I don't know I saw Peter Paul and Moses playin' ring-around-the-roses And I'll whup the guy what says it isn't so Well, I'm just a lonesome traveler, a great historical bum Highly educated through history I have come I built the Rock of Ages, it was in the year oh one And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done I saw Adam and Eve driven from the door I'm the guy that picked the figleaves that they wore And from behind the bushes peepin' saw the apple they was eatin' And I swear that I'm the one that et the core Now I built the garden of Eden, it was in the year oh two Joined the apple-pickers union and I always paid my dues I'm the man that signed the contract to raise the risin' sun And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done I taught Samson how to use his mighty hand I showed Columbus to this happy land And for Pharaoh's little kiddies I built all the pyramiddies And to the Sahara carried all the sand Now I was strawboss on the pyramids and the tower of Babel too I opened up the ocean, let the mighty children through I fought a million battles and I never lost a one And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done I taught Solomon his little ABC's I'm the first one to eat Limburger cheese And while floating down the bay with Methuseleh one day I saw his whiskers floating in the breeze Now I fought the revolution that set this country free It was me and a couple of Indians that dumped the Boston tea I won the battle of Valley Forge and the battle of Bully Run And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done Now Queen Elizabeth she fell in love with me We were married in Milwaukee secretly But I got tired and shook her and ran off with General Hooker To go shootin' skeeters down in Tennessee I was born about ten thousand years ago There ain't nuthin' in this world that I don't know I saw Peter Paul and Moses playin' ring-around-the-roses And I'll whup the guy what says it isn't so!
I wrote this song for Woodie Guthrie long before he was born. Sadly, Lee24 dropped some acid and thought it was about him.
Dan...the other. You can trust me with your daughters. Probably.
Now Dan ,I got in trouble for wasting time teaching that to George Washington when I was supposed to be coaching him for his Master Mason's Degree.
Dan, I remember Mom singing that when I was a kid.
Brings back memories eh? Remember this one?
Completely round is the perfect pearl the oyster manufactures. Completely round is the steering wheel that leads to compound fractures Completely round is the golden fruit that hangs from the o-o-orange tree Yes the circle shape is quite renown But sad to say it can be found In the lowdown, dirty run-around That my true love gave to me That my true love gave to me
Completely square is the little box he said my ring would be in Completely square is the envelope he said good-bye to me in Completely square is the handkerchief I flourish constantly As I dry my eyes of the tears I've shed, And blow my nose which turns bright red For a perfect square is my true love's head He will not marry me, no He will not marry me
Rectangular is the hotel door my true love tried to sneak through Rectangular is the transom hole by which I had to peek through, Rectangular is the hotel room I entered angrily, and Rectangular is the wooden box Where lies my love neath the golden phlox They say he died of the chicken pox In part I must agree One chick too many had he
Triangular is the piece of pie I eat to ease my sorrow Triangular is the hatchet blade I plan to hide tomorrow Triangular the relationship which now has ceased to be And triangular is the garment thin That fastens on with a safety pin To a prize I had no wish to win It's a lasting memory That my true love gave to me
The Ballad of the Shape of Things, Kingston Trio
Probably a popular ditty amongst lawyers and prosecutors as well.
What it be is some web sites have software that will prevent you from posting their pictures elsewhere. Only reason I can see to prevent pics such as above from being spread gleefully around the planet is the site owner caught the gay...in a very bad way.
Didja ever read "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"? Scene there not in the movie. Fishing Trip, fish on, one of the girls struggling with a salmon or something like that. Her halter top comes undone and....it was the era of direct drive reels. Need I say more? Laughed till I cried....
Dunno why but that knit hat with the things hanging down reminds me of the story.
They did. I don't think Karen Black was ready to have one of her buds beat to a pulp for the cause. Were her character did so in the book. By the way, no disrespect to the movie, enjoyed that and all....but the book was a whole lot better.
Never been a big fan of Asian chicks..but I stand erected...
Me too, but now and then I run into on that makes me cross eyed. Fact of it is, there's one in the extended family of American/Korean heritage that the boy simply does not deserve...
Pictures can be photoshopped, all evidence will be sent to the grand poopoo, (ingwe), in a bio-hazard container for perusal. It will then be panel judged by ingwe, RWE and DD for authentication and a score given.
OMG..... honey..honey.. you have to come in here and see this....
Kent
I go away for the Yankeetown Chili Cook Off and return to this mirth. I am howling, dogs are afraid of me, gators skeptical that spring has sprung.
Soon I shall howl from both end. Mebbe I'll do a 5 sided...well, mebbe that's more than y'all want to know. Good chili though. Crackertown Crispy-hot carried the vote today.
Might be one of those "OMG, Honey!......" moments.
Tonight I think I shall bark at the crescent moon.
Kent, where on the list does "barking spiders" go?
It is a jewel. Should be a mandatory view for all.
If the attitude that greeted Vietnam vets on their return is ever repeated it will be too soon. It was one of our darkest hours.
I guess there will be thoughts in people's minds I will never understand, I didn't understand the attitudes then and it hasn't come clearer to this day.
To all Vietnam vets, thank you for your service, that may have been the toughest service ever.
This photo for me, truely portrays the cost of war. This one goes beyond deep in my heart. I'll be glad to see the day when all of our men and women overseas come back home. Thanks to each and every one of them times 10,000.
If the attitude that greeted Vietnam vets on their return is ever repeated it will be too soon. It was one of our darkest hours.
Dan, You guys deserved the respect and admiration of your nation at the time of your service. I sir thank you and all Vietnam Vets for their service. I know the attitudes have changed since Vietnam but there was no excuse for how our brave servicemen were treated then!
Sun never came up on that until Reagan spoke these words on 11 November 1988.
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Before I begin, let me take a moment to congratulate the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund and the other distinguished guests without whom the construction and operation of this memorial would not have been possible. Let me also say that America is grateful to the hundreds of Vietnam veterans who, when I asked them to join my Administration, did so, and have and are serving our nation so proudly. For your devotion to America, I salute you.
We're gathered today, just as we have gathered before, to remember those who served, those who fought, and those who -- those still missing, and those who gave their last full measure of devotion for our country. We're gathered at a monument on which the names of our fallen friends and loved ones are engraved, and with crosses instead of diamonds beside them, the names of those whose fate we do not yet know. One of those who fell wrote, shortly before his death, these words: "Take what they have left and what they have taught you with their dying and keep it with your own. And take one moment to embrace those gentle heroes you left behind."
Well, today, Veterans Day, as we do every year, we take that moment to embrace the gentle heroes of Vietnam and of all our wars. We remember those who were called upon to give all a person can give, and we remember those who were prepared to make that sacrifice if it were demanded of them in the line of duty, though it never was. Most of all, we remember the devotion and gallantry with which all of them ennobled their nation as they became champions of a noble cause.
I'm not speaking provocatively here. Unlike the other wars of this century, of course, there were deep divisions about the wisdom and rightness of the Vietnam war. Both sides spoke with honesty and fervor. And what more can we ask in our democracy? And yet after more than a decade of desperate boat people, after the killing fields of Cambodia, after all that has happened in that unhappy part of the world, who can doubt that the cause for which our men fought was just? It was, after all, however imperfectly pursued, the cause of freedom; and they showed uncommon courage in its service. Perhaps at this late date we can all agree that we've learned one lesson: that young Americans must never again be sent to fight and die unless we are prepared to let them win.
But -- But -- But beyond that, we remember today that all our gentle heroes of Vietnam have given us a lesson in something more: a lesson in living love. Yes, for all of them, those who came back and those who did not, their love for their families lives. Their love for their buddies on the battlefields and friends back home lives. Their love of their country lives.
This memorial has become a monument to that living love. The thousands who come to see the names testify to a love that endures. The messages and mementos they leave speak with a whispering voice that passes gently through the surrounding trees and to out across the breast of our peaceful nation: a childhood teddy bear, a photograph of the son or daughter born too late to know his or her father, a battle ribbon, a note -- there are so many of these, and all are testimony to our living love for them. And our nation itself is testimony to the love our veterans have had for it and for us. Our liberties, our values, all for which America stands is safe today because brave men and women have been ready to face the fire at freedom's front. And we thank God for them.
Yes, gentle heroes and living love and our memories of a time when we faced great divisions here at home. And yet if this place recalls all this, both sweet and sad, it also reminds us of a great and profound truth about our nation: that from all our divisions we have always eventually emerged strengthened. Perhaps we are finding that new strength today, and if so, much of it comes from the forgiveness and healing love that our Vietnam veterans have shown.
For too long a time, they stood in a chill wind, as if on a winter night's watch. And in that night, their deeds spoke to us, but we knew them not. And their voices called to us, but we heard them not. Yet in this land that God has blessed, the dawn always at last follows the dark, and now morning has come. The night is over. We see these men and know them once again -- and know how much we owe them, how much they've given us, and how much we can never fully repay. And not just as individuals but as a nation, we say we love you.
These -- These days, we show our love in many ways -- some of it through the Government. We now fly the POW - MIA flag at this memorial on Memorial Day, Veterans Day, and POW - MIA Recognition Day. This is a small gesture, but a significant one. America also keeps a vigil for those who have not yet returned. We have negotiated with the Vietnamese to bring our nation's sons home, and for the first time to have joint teams investigating remote areas of Vietnam that might shed light on the fate of those we list as missing. In Laos, we have also begun a new round of surveys and excavations of crash sites. And we have told Hanoi that it must prove to the American people through its cooperation whether men are still being held against their will in Indochina. Otherwise we will assume some are, and we will do everything we can to find them.
Here at home, a new Department of Veterans Affairs and extended veterans benefits are merely outward and visible signs of an inward and invisible grace that has come to our land. Vietnam service is once more universally recognized as a badge of pride. Four years ago, I noted that this healing had begun and that I hoped that before my days as Commander in Chief were over it would be completed. Well, now as I approach the end of my service and I see Vietnam veterans take their rightful place among America's heroes, it appears to me that we have healed. And what can I say to our Vietnam veterans but: Welcome home.
Now before I go, as have so many others, Nancy and I wanted to leave a note at the wall. And if I may read it to you before doing so, we will put this note here before we leave:
"Our young friends -- yes, young friends, for in our hearts you will always be young, full of the love that is youth, love of life, love of joy, love of country -- you fought for your country and for its safety and for the freedom of others with strength and courage. We love you for it. We honor you. And we have faith that, as He does all His sacred children, the Lord will bless you and keep you, the Lord will make His face to shine upon you and give you peace, now and forever more."
If the attitude that greeted Vietnam vets on their return is ever repeated it will be too soon. It was one of our darkest hours.
Dan, You guys deserved the respect and admiration of your nation at the time of your service. I sir thank you and all Vietnam Vets for their service. I know the attitudes have changed since Vietnam but there was no excuse for how our brave servicemen were treated then!
If the attitude that greeted Vietnam vets on their return is ever repeated it will be too soon. It was one of our darkest hours.
Dan, You guys deserved the respect and admiration of your nation at the time of your service. I sir thank you and all Vietnam Vets for their service. I know the attitudes have changed since Vietnam but there was no excuse for how our brave servicemen were treated then!
Well, Thanks again. You know I'd have nuked A'stan on 9-14-01 right?
Let us move on, what say?
I shouldn't like her really. It's just that her beauty and intelligence seem inversely proportional. Given that other proportions meet standards, I suppose I could forgive overlook that. And I really like zippers!
Eyes? Oh, mine got fixated on the little metal ringy thingy down there on her hip. Bright shiny stuff does that to me. If I was a fish I'd be a blue fish.
Thanks, I bookmarked the link. Ann-Margret was great in her day.
Calvary huh.
This is real, it involves someone we know on the 'fire, I can't say how proud and thankful I am to him, for fighting for our country and his brothers with him. The second part has real fighting and casualties, be warned.
Did you ever hear her speak?? Ashley is one of the most articulate persons Ive ever heard....her politics and lefty credo suck, but she Shure talks purty!!!
I've been following the Brigid thread but my question would be: How did she happen to show up on the fire in a thread about her?
Just seems like a stretch. Seems like someone likes pretending to be a woman. ingwe? RWE? If you're only doing it to be funny that'd be OK - but if you're likin' it too much and dressin' up - that's gay.
Fish, one of the early posters in the thread said he'd left an invite on her blog and invited her to drop in. Guess she did, sorry Pete and a few others went gay on us...woulda liked for her to hang awhile.
DD, I actully looked for a contact link on her blog - didn't see one. With all the banter that was going on she'd have to be one tough women to show up again and that's too bad. The few women that do post on the fire add a little something extra. It helps the place not be so much of a sausage fest.
And what's up with the "ghost of Lee" thing. He was good for a little inspiration for humorous posts. Just kidding, it's all good.
Fish, was a vast cosmic joke, they won't get it on the other thread. It probably leaves Lee's shorts in a wad with what happened here. Maybe he walked long on a short pier...the Shadow knows.
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Thing is with this Lee thing is cosmic synergy resultant, and as combined with Varmint Guy's adopted label, rendering the collective vermin without defense. Too, there is the hysterical perspective which appears to provide it's own driving force, girlies notwithstanding. Without prequel or sequel, this thing could last for decades. Or at least to the 5,000 mark.
We have an antidote for obnoxious behavior...if we can keep it.
On the way out, I pose a question. Did this guy catch the gay or what?
I never caught a bonefish.....I'll bet they are a hoot on an 8 wt...caught pike on one, but they don't run like a bone....
Gotta stick with the fishin' talk on this one..too many possibilities for double entendre with April, bone, rod, all mixed up in the same sentence.....
Great! Estimates for the TWO bridges we are supposed to get run 4 Billion+, if the goobermint gets involved, your 2.2m is one helluva deal. You, of course, WILL be responsible for the bridge reaching across the Ohio River, AND CONNECTING LAND ON BOTH ENDS, not like that old railroad bridge we've already got, with no ramps to the ground............... Gov't says theirs will be done by 2024............
Fish, one of the early posters in the thread said he'd left an invite on her blog and invited her to drop in. Guess she did, sorry Pete and a few others went gay on us...woulda liked for her to hang awhile.
Air Cav to the bone. 2/17th, 1/9th, 7/17th. 2.5 years and was never not in the Cav. You can never use too much HE.
Heh, another 2/17 Air Cav member here. Alpha Troop, 1978-79, then on to the 11th ACR in Fulda, West Germany.
YO! Good to meet ya! Spent my first tour with B/2/17 and the first 9 mos of tour 2 with HHT, all Camp Eagle...'cept for a horrid little three months down at Chu Lai. Lots of fun out there around A Shau and Khe Sahn. Got some Assault Troop stories, will get around to it somewhere along the way.
FWIW, wouldn't have wanted to be sitting on Fulda if the Reds ever launched back then.....Hoooeee, no sir!
Fish, one of the early posters in the thread said he'd left an invite on her blog and invited her to drop in. Guess she did, sorry Pete and a few others went gay on us...woulda liked for her to hang awhile.
Yep, I would be that culprit, sending the invite.
Glad you did, even if it didn't turn out well.
Marc, I'm sorta liking them Broncos too...some of 'em anyway.
And the blond....sorta reminds me of Fridge Girl growed up a little...without the Fridge...and Holy Moly, OMG....yep!
You [bleep] are terrible.... And I posted the sheep on the motorcycle over on the Black Bear thread...
Dang Dan, I missed that thread, were you taking it for bait or entertainment while waiting on a bear?
If my daughter ever becomes eligible again I'll be accepting resumes at that time, I'll make sure you are on the list. Picture of backpack and personal maximum load specs required.
Yeah, I remember Lola - rather disturbing song, that. Wonder if Frank Antonio is related to that guy Sam Antonio down in Texas - you know the one that's buddies with Al and Moe. (Mom was from Texas, so I'm allowed.)
So why the hubbub over this one and FFG ( Favorite Fish Girl) got overlooked???
You may have hurt her feeling,and I will have to offer her what solace I can......
Ingwe
Down here there's a southwestern flavor the predominates.
Anyway I like dark haired women, my wife doesn't believe me so I get the evil eye when Faith hill comes on the tube. "Yea, your drooling there" she say's. I let her believe it..... That way when Shania comes on I can watch all I want without a peep... just need to wipe the drool before she sees.
Well, Im an equal opportunity dirty old man, I like all hair colors, all shapes and sizes, seen beautiful women in all kinds of different colors,etc...
I like blondes, but darker hair and light eyes do it for me...
Well, Im an equal opportunity dirty old man, I like all hair colors, all shapes and sizes, seen beautiful women in all kinds of different colors,etc...
I like blondes, but darker hair and light eyes do it for me...
Ingwe
Fella could get lost in that if he weren't cautious. Now wherein'ell is my compass?
I got a bunch like that,......but their louder, fatter, and have more facial hair. When they go off it's like their right in the back garden. ( God Forbid ). Actually they live at least 1/2 a mile away (sigh of relief).
I always lay low when their old men start beating em', quite frequently they start shooting.
I should get a good mike and try and record that sometime,.....like Cinco de Madness maybe.
Used to do foundations in neighborhoods like that.
I love it when they sit out in the front yard on a lawn chair with their little ones running around. Screaming Popito! Popito! stop that, I'll come beat you. As the little angel completely ignores them and continues to do whatever....
After the 2nd hour of the nonstop monologue I want to go beat them all.
Popito! Popito! Popito! don't make me get up, fat bish couldn't get up unless someone yelled federalize, then she could run like the wind.
By the by, are we going for 10,000 posts or 100,000 views? Is there a goal? An objective? Or is this thing we do like La Cosa Nostra...our life, our oath, our destiny. Relentless, it won't ever give up...you can't hide....
By the by, are we going for 10,000 posts or 100,000 views? Is there a goal? An objective? Or is this thing we do like La Cosa Nostra...our life, our oath, our destiny. Relentless, it won't ever give up...you can't hide....
For me, I just like coming on here and posting whatever, don't have to start a new topic, worry about hijacking someone's thread with silly or even serious stuff. I can switch from funny to serious in two posts and back without leaving this thread.
It is indeed. You look into Jack's eyes, and well...the universe shifts, meaning and understanding are altered. You think many things but when you open your mouth the only thing that comes out is "WTF?"
Long day working saws and cedar....keep up the good work, see ya in the AM.
You [bleep] are terrible.... And I posted the sheep on the motorcycle over on the Black Bear thread...
Dang Dan, I missed that thread, were you taking it for bait or entertainment while waiting on a bear?
If my daughter ever becomes eligible again I'll be accepting resumes at that time, I'll make sure you are on the list. Picture of backpack and personal maximum load specs required.
Kent
Laffin...
But just in case, I run Mystery Ranch goodies, and I can buck 90 if I have too, but there better be twinkies and scotch back at the truck.
Just a WTF Sheep photo from Ingwe's gay cruise... I think he said he knew this dude from the 'Bath house' whatever that means
And the hat I'll be wearing on the drive to Saratoga
What's up with the extension cord? Power supply for....what? Keepin' her from throwing it away and running? Is she French? Does she lose stuff in her purse?
By the way, I have a Rem. 700 SA sniper rifle! It's true! If I told you it was a .250-3000 I'd have to kill ya....oops...sorry! I colluded with Dennis Earhart..he did the metal, I did the wood and pad.
By the way, I have a Rem. 700 SA sniper rifle! It's true! If I told you it was a .250-3000 I'd have to kill ya....oops...sorry! I colluded with Dennis Earhart..he did the metal, I did the wood and pad.
Yeah, know Dennis. Pretty Mouser ya got there buddy. Ol' Dennis is one of my favorite magicians. He built me this truck gun before we ever met.
It runs in the 8's, that being useful for discriminating which part of the radiator you want to perforate when trucks charge. The 1/4 bore runs around 1/2 MOA with 100 gr. Partitions and I think that is most pleasing. Shoots them better than BTs for some weird azzed reason I cannot fathom.
Is a pretty 303 and it takes some genius to make them shine. Hadn't a clue you hobnobbed with those boys...lucky dawg you are.
Years ago when I worked ATC down in Miami there was a big fat gal worked with us we called the Wildebeest. Man, she was so ugly..and such a good controller...and jeez, she was so friggin' huge... Anyway, the FAA has this program they call FAM, or familiarization training, where you ride up in the cockpit. Popular travel option as you might imagine.
One day they schedule this FAM via an E2 Hawkeye out to the JFK while it's doing flight ops out in the Bahamas and Wildebeest and a couple of other guys decide to do it. Seats face each other in back and she chose the forward facing seat for the outbound leg. When they snagged cable #3 the guy sitting in front of her had one of those cosmic life altering moments when her boobs..naw, make that udders...they escaped and came flying toward his face like deranged...Hindenburgs. He said they didn't quite hit his face but it was a near thing. She was mildly contrite, got things rearranged and they toured the ship.
When they prepared to depart the guy told her to sit in the same seat since it was a cat launch. She thought he was being a wiseass and refused, insisting on facing aft. He said is was "Runaway Mammaries, Part Deux" and never was the same after that. Yep, she was blond too.
Later on she went on a diet and lost over 300#. Still ugly as sin but a lot lighter at only #185...and calves like an NFL lineman. Still, she was the best wench controller I ever worked with.
Forgot to mention, that's a handsome Kudu you got there. They make me think of Alice in Wonderland with those horns and paint job. Add some LSD and you get Wildebeests.
Glad we don't have to use arms that are visually commensurate with the quarry.
Ain't gonna talk about extra skin, too early in the day...
Later on she went on a diet and lost over 300#. Still ugly as sin but a lot lighter at only #185...and calves like an NFL lineman. Still, she was the best wench controller I ever worked with.
Have a great day!
Great story DD, I'm still laughin'
It did leave a rather cartoonish image in my mind of flying bouncing boobs that I'll have to try and erase today.
Just goes to show, you can lose the fat but you can't lose the ugly.
Is it hard to train dorgs when they're high? Had any luck teaching them to whistle? The tango? Have you had any success teaching them to not lick their balls when the media is covering a bust?
Would you bring a couple down here and let 'em work the neighborhood couple of miles east of me? I'll bring the popcorn.
Had some cadaver dogs on the place awhile back and they both alerted in the back yard...seems there's this cold case been hanging for near 30 years. I asked "They can smell something that old?" They say "Sure". I invited them to dig...
They found bupkis...
My place is a local legend of sorts, long story having nothing to do with sniper rifles so I'll hold it in abeyance.
After lengthy consideration (5.2 nanoseconds) I concluded that once again, tax dollars were at work.
The alleged perp who's wife went missing while building the house did a drive by about a week later. Guess he was checking hole placement. Most of the 'hood thinks the old gal is planted in my sea wall.
By the way, if you ever get a hankering for catchin' the bonefish, look down to the area of Big Pine Key or a little west at a place called the Content Keys in May, June or late September thru October. You'll need about 200 yards of backing on an 8 weight...minimum. And you'll likely need proficiency in casting in a breeze. Or you can do Andros, B.I. The bones aren't so big there, but they aren't shy and are plentiful.
Same time of year out around the Marquesas Keys you can find permit on the flats...that's the holy grail of fly fishing as far as I'm concerned. Bring more backing. You have to transit Key West to get there so leave the gay at home.
Screw the bonefish, how about Tarpon...any size....caught some babies in Pompano beach Wayyyy back in the day on spin tackle..it was a blast!
Have caught oodles of baby permit too ( aka;Pompano.....) but never an adult, I have progressed through all stages of a fisherman and no longer want the most difficult fish...I'm back to wanting the most numerous and willing ones
Well....permits are not pompanos though they are related. I don't eat pompano, but will jump through hoops for Permit. Yummy stuff.
Now if you want to catch 'poon, late April thru May is the time for the big ones, also down around Marathon, Big Pine and the Contents. Leaving May the average size drops but the numbers increase a fair bit. 12 Wt and an hour will get you a 100 pounder with any luck.
Brought a mid April 'poon to the boat near the Contents once after 4+35 on a 16# class plug rod. Was near 90" long and probably over 200#. Took me three days to recover and the reel was junk. Got photos..unscanned...epic battle she survived. That was the best part. One big azzed 'poon...
Otherwise, small 'poon on an 8wt are a hoot...mash the barb down for more fun, quicker, faster.....whoooot!
Speaking of fishing and 'poon what'd think live weight on this one is - or on the hoof so to speak? Gutted, skinned and boned out there sure ain't much meat there. It's probably a case where catch and release is the better way to go. Lip hookin' would be OK - wouldn't wanna gut hook it though.
There is a gringo guiding there now also, I can get his info with a phone call south................
You don't need a guide to catch 'poon in Mexico. You do need to worry about catchin' something once you've caught one though. ps. it ain't the gay - usually - careful inspection prevents that.
Yeah, know Dennis. Pretty Mouser ya got there buddy. Ol' Dennis is one of my favorite magicians. He built me this truck gun before we ever met.
It runs in the 8's, that being useful for discriminating which part of the radiator you want to perforate when trucks charge. The 1/4 bore runs around 1/2 MOA with 100 gr. Partitions and I think that is most pleasing. Shoots them better than BTs for some weird azzed reason I cannot fathom.
I'm getting eye strain,.....
What does it SAY,...the words atop that barrel ?
Regarding forensics teams in your back 40,....I tolt Ya' that gator would be trouble.
If anybody' interested I can steer you in right direction of a good 'poon outing in northern Mexico. Tijuana, it's even close to the ocean. Losta 'poon to be had cheap but be careful of the catchin'. Too much tequila and you could inadvertently get a hold of some of the gay and catch somethin' too.
No experience on my end - but I've heard stories. Just sayin'
I gotta go cook some redfish. Ms. Dan can be bossy sometimes.
What I'm gonna do is lay out a fillet on a cookie sheet with some foil under it. Cover it with a finely sliced bed of green/yellow/red peppers, onions and carrots, then pour some of Ken's Northern Italian dressing on top. I'll cover that with more foil, bake at 350* for about 30 minutes depending on portion size, then peel off the top foil and broil for about 5-7 minutes.
Y'all wouldn't like it....ain't red meat. Just sayin'....
Fastest fishin' boat I've had the pleasure to possess. Out to the weed line and back in time for tea. 80+ mph of RUSH....
Faro Blanco Marine Resort, October 1987....and yes, it lured in some of the other kind too. Was spectacular when the seas were running about 3-4', the bounce that is.....
What did I miss....Krapp, this working for a living shure gets in the way of my fun....
Ingwe
Well, someone was talking about rescuing 400 pound women with eight kids in their minivan, which had got stuck in the snow. Oh wait, that was on another forum................ Sorry.
I was afraid that's what you meant. Pontoon boats in this life = smoking turds in Hell in the afterlife...and being in a hurry to get there.
Dunno what they're doing today, but back then Sutphen Marine ruled the deep vee world, as they had for decades. Put surface drives on 'em and you get to run circles around the rest. Literally.
Mrs. Dan and me with a permit from Florida Bay. Fish of the day that she caught on the last cast, 12# spin. About 30# as I recall.
I just spoke to Dan and he talked to OLDMAN and convinced him to get you off his schitlist. You're now no longer on ignore and he's added you to his buddy list.
I just spoke to Dan and he talked to OLDMAN and convinced him to get you off his schitlist. You're now no longer on ignore and he's added you to his buddy list.
I just spoke to Dan and he talked to OLDMAN and convinced him to get you off his schitlist. You're now no longer on ignore and he's added you to his buddy list.
Hey shall return. Beware thee riding the gay horse, or some sheet like that. Grins
Here,I fixed it for you The oldballs/Eastwood ,Pale Rider inference is messing with my mental visual acuity. The nice thing about smoking turds is you always know what it's gonna smell like
Now at the end of a long day I turned in and all was quiet. Wake up today and you guys ran amok in my absence. -sigh-
For some reason frog girl isn't working for me. With that said, it is clear someone else will make up for my lack of interest.
I shall be away today, 9-5, harrying state regulators over the issue of estuarine systems, numeric content determinations...and keeping my eye open of hotties what tend to congregate around power brokers. Poor girls don't know that half of them are gay, the other half are lawyers what give the 2% of the good ones a bad name.
Keith...birthday???? Dang things just keep creepin' up on ya like a VC sapper don't they? Hang around for a few more, y'hear!
You don't 'spose a guy could catch the gay in eight hours away do you......
The last time somebody (don't remember who) said they were going away, somebody (again I don't remember who) started all kinds of false rumors about catching the gay.
I'm just going to sit back and watch. I'll keep my conscience clean, just like the last time, and not participate in such turdlike behavior.
You don't 'spose a guy could catch the gay in eight hours away do you......
The last time somebody (don't remember who) said they were going away, somebody (again I don't remember who) started all kinds of false rumors about catching the gay.
I'm just going to sit back and watch. I'll keep my conscience clean, just like the last time, and not participate in such turdlike behavior.
So, who's going to start this start this time?
fish head
My wife said I had to cut back on smoking, said I was hanging with bad influences... I guess I'll have to be nice today....
i hereby pronounce you all GAY. everyone knows there's never too much boobage. even the fake ones. we love them all.
so now that you are all scrambling for your man-card subscriptions, i am going to take that one to lunch and see if i can, indeed, read the serial numbers.
The dude was bazaar for sure, he could say the most outlandish things and just carry on when confronted.
He did say that after seeing a picture of my niece on a pony.
Hope no one noticed I was mean to him now and then, wouldn't want to taint my image.
Kent
Your umbrage was justified and your image is intact. Unfortunately the other troll, since his "release" from a questionable hospital seems to be trying to fill in the gap since Lee24 cashed in his chips
Didn't say it was bad. I was being complimentary, especially to a guy with a fish head, who, except for a mix up in nature, could have been a woman with a fish head.
Well, now that you broached the subject...we were wondering about you during your 8 hour absence...
I'm just sayin....
Ingwe
Well, since you wondered....
Was "fly fishing" with Florida DEP folks at a workshop on Nutrient Numeric Content Criteria for Estuarine Waters....that being the official title of the confab. Now one thing you gotta know about this stuff is these folks are always serious.
I think now and then they need a kick in the azz to light their humor a little. EPA has put it to the state that their narrative description of what constitutes water quality regulation is inadequate and they (DEP) will come up with hard numbers of pollutant limits in lieu of that...or else have it stuffed up their arses without foreplay. So, they are serious.
About 2 hours into this mind numbing exercise, rife with droning power point presentations, the senior DEP official said, "What is our objective here?" More chatter followed, then it was put forth, "Setting content values". "Yeah, but to what objective? Are we trying to satisfy EPA or address the issue? Are our waters OK? Are we already protecting our water resources?"
From back of the room came my melodious voice...."Bingo!" All eyes turned to me....the previously silent bump on a stump...."I've about given up on restoration of waters of the state as required by CFR 40 (Clean Water Act), how about we just hold the line on the degradation we have now, then see about restoration later on? Would be a huge victory for the people of this state."
Well, that broke the chains and much spirited discussion followed. Not contentious, yet there was a certain direction to affairs that followed. At the end of the day, the Division Chief for DEP Surface Waters thanked me for that. I ain't no fuggin' expert on water and that's a natural fact, but I read people fair most of the time. Most of the "experts" are looking at such fine minutiae they can't look up to see the forest. There's bigger fish to fry (no offense intended FH) sometimes.
Was a good day, no gay infections, a few steps up the ladder taken.
Something warm to welcome you guys to a Wednesday morning....one of my fave pics..
Ingwe
Looking outside at the snow on the ground makes this photo even more appealing. I've never had the chance to fish the flats and it's something I've always wanted to do. Maybe one day.........
Something warm to welcome you guys to a Wednesday morning....one of my fave pics..
Ingwe
Looking outside at the snow on the ground makes this photo even more appealing. I've never had the chance to fish the flats and it's something I've always wanted to do. Maybe one day.........
Always had a thing for blonds with nice hips too.
Thanks,
fish head
Then you should do it. Take polarized glasses with an amber to medium brown tint (my preference), some sun block, a wide brimmed hat and a reel with a very excellent drag...8# spin or 8wt flyrod. You never heard a drag scream like you will with a bone.....no chitt. They are nuclear fueled with afterburners and a catapult launch.
When I was younger (not Cole) I was more idealistic and eschewed such aftermarket embellishments.
Now I'm older and don't mind, although they are recognized for what they are. One bit of advice I'll pass along...every woman that ever went down that path solely because she has a self confidence issue has a screw loose or two. What you don't know, at least until you dive into the deep end, is which screws are loose and how they will manifest. It can be scary. If you look real close you can see it in their eyes. Forewarned is forearmed I say...
With that said, we got anymore bolt on pictures out there?
"until you dive into the deep end, is which screws are loose and how they will manifest. It can be scary. If you look real close you can see it in their eyes.
Which end is the "deep end"? Depends on her talents?
"until you dive into the deep end, is which screws are loose and how they will manifest. It can be scary. If you look real close you can see it in their eyes.
Which end is the "deep end"? Depends on her talents?
On the subject of .22s, I just shot a squirrel. Now you'd say, "So?". Pah! It wasn't the quarry, no, it was the stalk! Muzzle was almost 5' from its head and I had to do that 1.5" adjustment to compensate for the optical sight displacement from bore center. Upside down.
Upside down? Yes indeed. Varmint was in a bird feeder hanging from the balcony and I had to shoot between the rail and a table, thru the spindle on the rail...only way was upside down with the gun. Brain shot.
Didn't shoot the feeder either! Only thing I like less than squirrels on the balcony is democrats. Haven't seen one there in decades.
OK, I'm ready for insane wimmen with extra parts...where do they be?
You line up a couple dozen Delta Force guys and tell 'em that's their reward for bringin' in Ben Laden...it'll be done yesterday...if not sooner. Especially if they're old retired versions. I know how they think....
I'm done for the night and will leave with a couple of thoughts. First off, whoever hits 5,000 without doing consecutive posts will get a free 6 pack of their favorite beer or a bottle of whiskey on me...if they show up at the NRC annual match at Cody, 3-6 June.
Smilin' here, for the thread and for other things I can't really go into at the moment. Suffice it to say there will be some river mending in the near future and it's been a long time coming. Details when I can...
PB keeps putting the "red box" on more and more of my pics, but the pictures still show up here on the fire. I might get to the point where I'm just guessing on a red box and don't know what will pop up here...
No problems with photobucket for me, but I use the warp drive to power the deflector dish on my puter'.
Multiple layers of firewall, active anti-spyware, anti-trojan, anti mal-ware, anti-virus, passive deterrents and all with IE6.
My computer is an amored tank cruisin' the internet. Even when crusin' through the dark side of web I don't catch nothin'. Haven't been hit with anything in over five years. No devil box here.
Malwarebytes to remove the PB infection, then picked up AVG Security to replace Norton. An evolution of sorts. The trojan attack associated with PB led to my hard drive crashing and having to reinstall the OS about 2 weeks back. Bastids!
AVG is good, a lot better than Norton.
Glad to see the mammaries are still on parade, good work guys!
Malwarebytes to remove the PB infection, then picked up AVG Security to replace Norton. An evolution of sorts. The trojan attack associated with PB led to my hard drive crashing and having to reinstall the OS about 2 weeks back. Bastids!
AVG is good, a lot better than Norton.
Glad to see the mammaries are still on parade, good work guys!
Had exactly the same thing happen , at exactly the same time DD...when I got the techy to clean up the machine and got it back, I installed AVG 9.0 and it has since circumvented about a half sozen viral attempts from PB..
Malwarebytes to remove the PB infection, then picked up AVG Security to replace Norton. An evolution of sorts. The trojan attack associated with PB led to my hard drive crashing and having to reinstall the OS about 2 weeks back. Bastids!
AVG is good, a lot better than Norton.
Glad to see the mammaries are still on parade, good work guys!
Had exactly the same thing happen , at exactly the same time DD...when I got the techy to clean up the machine and got it back, I installed AVG 9.0 and it has since circumvented about a half sozen viral attempts from PB..
Something pleasant to start your thursday...
Ingwe
That's a wakey, wakey, hands off snakey! I love the Fatherland
Well, despite my attraction to cartoonishly freakish girls and all things turd-like, I am after all a Presbyterian, and have been busy with Church business.
Welllll as a matter of fact, I do, you can go ahead and send me the first installment of $1K now.... And the remainder right before my vacation....err I mean the ship date......
I went to see what you all were talking about... I was impolite
The dude's running his pawnshop on the 'fire, what's up with that, I guess he is struggling with his business. Probably his Mo, get on a site for a bit and then start pushing product under the guise of safe cleaning.
Oh no, my family knows all about you...and Ingwe...Fish...RWE...she had to find out why I was laughing so hard all the time! I put that up for the unwashed turdlike-wannabe people. I know you're "washed"....VG did it, no?
Oh no, my family knows all about you...and Ingwe...Fish...RWE...she had to find out why I was laughing so hard all the time! I put that up for the unwashed turdlike-wannabe people. I know you're "washed"....VG did it, no?
whew... I was about to call ingwe... the master of... ...
Jeez Louise, no kidding!! I move house, work a week of shifts, come back and y'all have logged 200 posts since Pancakes Girl!! <sigh> I miss Pancakes Girl...
Your collective web-fu is awesome! ("We're not worthy! We're not worthy!")
I am going to have to suggest that you open your PM's from oldman they provide a level of entertainment only rivaled here on the sniper rifle thread.
I would normally not post a PM but this is TFF not even sure which picture he is talking about.
Originally Posted by oldman1942
Look you ARAIG azzhole. I'll say it real clear! THAT IS NOT MY PICTURE YOU SAD SACK FOOL...OKAY? THAT IS MY HUNTING BUDDY WHO HAS A VISUAL HANDICAP BUT HE STILL HUNTS AND HAS FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT MORE SUBJECTS THAN YOUR STUPID MIND WILL EVER COMPREHEND.
GET IT? (YET) OR ARE YOU AS DUMB HERE AS YOU ARE WHEN BUTT FING LIMPSTICK?
Take your unexpanded POS bullet and stick it up your azz
I am going to have to suggest that you open your PM's from oldman they provide a level of entertainment only rivaled here on the sniper rifle thread.
I would normally not post a PM but this is TFF not even sure which picture he is talking about.
Originally Posted by oldman1942
Look you ARAIG azzhole. I'll say it real clear! THAT IS NOT MY PICTURE YOU SAD SACK FOOL...OKAY? THAT IS MY HUNTING BUDDY WHO HAS A VISUAL HANDICAP BUT HE STILL HUNTS AND HAS FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT MORE SUBJECTS THAN YOUR STUPID MIND WILL EVER COMPREHEND.
GET IT? (YET) OR ARE YOU AS DUMB HERE AS YOU ARE WHEN BUTT FING LIMPSTICK?
Take your unexpanded POS bullet and stick it up your azz
I deleted his first one without opening it and challenged him to bring it public. He doesn't have the nads.
I opened the second and It said I was 'ignored' in so many words.
My second post to him months ago about his ebay stuff, running up the post counts, ect sent red flags up on his intentions here on the 'fire, figured it would work into the classifieds back then. He's transparent as saran wrap.
I sewed the seeds and probed for a sound bite to use in the future, he bit like a grouper but easier to reel in.
I haven't chased him around on his posts on purpose so he couldn't say I was hounding him, just if he came on this thread, waited for his classified traffic to reach where it's at now, then set the hook.
There have been some great pictures on this thread by a number of posters, but lately you've moved into the #1 position. Even ahead of the grand poobah.
They havent gone nazi on any of my stuff.... but if youll notice, I just have classy stuff The girl/fishing photos are the only ones even in bikinis...the rest of mine maintain a little more "classy" and classic look.....
Was just looking at the Whiskeyman thread....can't post there and give it more life.....what a remarkable piece of work that is. With any luck at all we'll see him out in Cody this June. Who knows, maybe he thinks he can shoot too?
Something has happened...or he caught the gay REAL bad.....
Ingwe
He posted some great pics, fortunately a couple of others have stepped up to fill the void. Ingwe - your posts are classy but sometimes a little on the trashy side is nice.
Thanks I try to keep it classy...in deference to women and other posters,but I feel duty bound to look at all these other pics....to establish suitability parameters, of course..........
That is an absolutely AMAZING and PERFECT ASS!!! Hell, I could spend an entire 10 hour work day bouncing quarters off of it (when I'm not nibbling on it)
But somewhere, somebody is sick of her schitt too...
That is an absolutely AMAZING and PERFECT ASS!!! Hell, I could spend an entire 10 hour work day bouncing quarters off of it (when I'm not nibbling on it)
But somewhere, somebody is sick of her schitt too...
I've checked that poster pretty thoroughly. No aircraft carrier. But, I'll keep checking...
back when i was a young stud before oldman1942 had my nuts cut off i use to work in a Cantina down mexico way. i'd do shows with some hot senoritas like these while a bunch of drunk college kids would watch and wish they were hung like a horse. i shoulda kicked oldman in the head before he cut my nuts
... in real life, standing there, would not take more than a fraction of a second to move so the mirror aligns a little, to better see her belt buckle.
back when i was a young stud before oldman1942 had my nuts cut off i use to work in a Cantina down mexico way. i'd do shows with some hot senoritas like these while a bunch of drunk college kids would watch and wish they were hung like a horse. i shoulda kicked oldman in the head before he cut my nuts
Lee is that you?....... BTW did you ever work down Juarez way back in 73?
back when i was a young stud before oldman1942 had my nuts cut off i use to work in a Cantina down mexico way. i'd do shows with some hot senoritas like these while a bunch of drunk college kids would watch and wish they were hung like a horse. i shoulda kicked oldman in the head before he cut my nuts
Lee is that you?....... BTW did you ever work down Juarez way back in 73?
naaa Nrut i be oldman1942's palimeno. the dumn sumbitsh been telling everyone that i'm a paint in the 30-06/300wm thread. had to say soumthing been listoning to that old windbag for almost thrudy year now. momtana's nice but i miss the days in mehico
You must have read my mind. That is just what I had in mind for oldpaint1942.
you fellas might of got awaywith doing that back in the day, but now a days they'd lock you up for doing that to a poor old horse. hell putting up with oldman 1942 and getting my nuts cut off in my prime down in mehico is enough punishment to last a horse a lifetime
I think oldpaint is a muzzy infiltrator. The grammar and spelling make me think he failed his "English for Terrorists 101" class.
you no how hard it is to type with your tongue doublepap. hooves are hard on a key board and oldman was always to busy to teach me proper like. i heard tell my great great grand stud was an arabian
DD when i pass and it won't be long as i'm going on thrudy year. take and cut myhead off and put it in oldman's bed like that maybe he'll remember to give the next poor horse he gets a apple once in awhile and to wash the scale off his peter too. he don't do that enough since he meet lee.i think he enjoys playing with lees peter more
hey old fart i'm going to tell the misses.you know what happened when she found the photos of you and lee. you'd better get me some oats and stop running off at the mouth.
Yeah, why don't you stop by and do that. Her 357 hasn't seen any use on skunks in a while. We know what is running out of your mouth and it sure a'int oatmeal. BTW better pull down that avatar as it's copywrit and I'll have to file a complaint.
Yeah, why don't you stop by and do that. Her 357 hasn't seen any use on skunks in a while. We know what is running out of your mouth and it sure a'int oatmeal. BTW better pull down that avatar as it's copywrit and I'll have to file a complaint.
as oldman1942 expells more bullschitt from his mouth....
Yeah, why don't you stop by and do that. Her 357 hasn't seen any use on skunks in a while. We know what is running out of your mouth and it sure a'int oatmeal. BTW better pull down that avatar as it's copywrit and I'll have to file a complaint.
and by the way oldpeeeker how the hell are you going to prove it or find oldpaint!
i'm a horse what are they going to do to me.elkhunter ask him about his black lace panties lee gave him as a gift. heck its a picture of me and you didn't ask my permission to put a image of me on the net. you think you own me or what and i'm a palomino not a paint. you'd think after nearly thrudy year you'd of figured that out
1. Photos are copywrit property of the photographer 2. Unauthorized theft and reuse of them is a Federal crime 3. ISP's may easily be traced and ISPs will always turn over all data regarding a customer pursuant to a federal subpoena 4. I doubt many of you are dealing with copyright law on a daily basis, so your lack of knowledge is understandable. 5. The photo in question was on a Photobucket account and Photobucket views copyright violations seriously (as they must to avoid being a litigant in a copyright violation case) 6. I requested the thief to pull down the photo and he refused. 7. My options are clear and will be exercised.
You might want to look at the Photobucket site as well as this violation notice instruction.
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If the avatar is not gone by opening of business Monday, I will be left with no alternative but to proceed. Not the hill I would want to die on but......
i'm really worried next thing you know your going to be threatening to sue your own horse. sometimes i wish i didn't kick you in the head when you cut my balls off that night you caught me down in mehico at papa gallo's.them senoritas are still crying over that. by the way does lee know your trolling for 18yr olds http://datingforgay.blogspot.com/2007/08/gay-dating-men-65-oldman1942.html
1. Photos are copywrit property of the photographer 2. Unauthorized theft and reuse of them is a Federal crime 3. ISP's may easily be traced and ISPs will always turn over all data regarding a customer pursuant to a federal subpoena 4. I doubt many of you are dealing with copyright law on a daily basis, so your lack of knowledge is understandable. 5. The photo in question was on a Photobucket account and Photobucket views copyright violations seriously (as they must to avoid being a litigant in a copyright violation case) 6. I requested the thief to pull down the photo and he refused. 7. My options are clear and will be exercised.
You might want to look at the Photobucket site as well as this violation notice instruction.
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If the avatar is not gone by opening of business Monday, I will be left with no alternative but to proceed. Not the hill I would want to die on but......
You are so full of schitt it is coming out of your ears.....btw I just copywrit your avatar... CHANGE IT NOW OR I will be forced to unleash ...........
Fun, fun, fun. Friut loops girl is a perfect example of turdlike humor and photography at it's finest. I for sure wouldn't kick her out of bed for leaving a few crumbs. Looks like clean up in the kitchen might be a worthwhile venture too.
1. Photos are copywrit property of the photographer 2. Unauthorized theft and reuse of them is a Federal crime 3. ISP's may easily be traced and ISPs will always turn over all data regarding a customer pursuant to a federal subpoena 4. I doubt many of you are dealing with copyright law on a daily basis, so your lack of knowledge is understandable. 5. The photo in question was on a Photobucket account and Photobucket views copyright violations seriously (as they must to avoid being a litigant in a copyright violation case) 6. I requested the thief to pull down the photo and he refused. 7. My options are clear and will be exercised.
You might want to look at the Photobucket site as well as this violation notice instruction.
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If the avatar is not gone by opening of business Monday, I will be left with no alternative but to proceed. Not the hill I would want to die on but......
Golly, even your own horse dis-likes you, Enema Doll.
"File a complaint "
.....jeez, that's just a riot.
Uhhhhh,...what about the '03 match, ....you and queerbait Lee just kinda blew that off,....what?
"Blew",.......God, did I just type that ?
Anyhoo, tell the nag that there's a fair spot here, if'n he's just gotta GTF away from you and your perverse ways.
OK, I'm going to try one more time to draw BMT out of the woodwork. If 5 or 10 pics of Jamie Eason don't send some kind of mental scream to him, nothing will draw him back...
Doesn't the gayfly hatch coincide with the opening of trout season? Usually their sign of membership in that fraternity is a Tilly hat and a red bandana worn around the neck. I'm skeert of those kind.
You ought to be careful about where ingwe plans on taking you fishing. From what I heard after they filmed that movie in Montana there's a rampant gayfly infestation. Starting at the "head"waters coming off of Brokeback, Mudddy creek has some holes to be wary of. Bout the only thing in that creek is blind mullets. If he wraps a bandana around his neck before you leave the truck it could be a sign. If he asks you to check out his flybox - DON'T. Heavy 5mm waders is good protection too. Don't let him show you the Montana flyfishing knot using rope around your wrists either.
You ought to be careful about where ingwe plans on taking you fishing. From what I heard after they filmed that movie in Montana there's a rampant gayfly infestation. Starting at the "head"waters coming off of Brokeback, Mudddy creek has some holes to be wary of. Bout the only thing in that creek is blind mullets. If he wraps a bandana around his neck before you leave the truck it could be a sign. If he asks you to check out his flybox - DON'T. Heavy 5mm waders is good protection too. Don't let him show you the Montana flyfishing knot using rope around your wrists either.
Just sayin'
fish head
I hope your not relaying these warnings from first hand experience.
She's got to be a fun gal. Sitting in the mud, in a cold river, holding a giant fish, slime, mud and an schit eatin' grin on her face. That's OK by me.
You ought to be careful about where ingwe plans on taking you fishing. From what I heard after they filmed that movie in Montana there's a rampant gayfly infestation. Starting at the "head"waters coming off of Brokeback, Mudddy creek has some holes to be wary of. Bout the only thing in that creek is blind mullets. If he wraps a bandana around his neck before you leave the truck it could be a sign. If he asks you to check out his flybox - DON'T. Heavy 5mm waders is good protection too. Don't let him show you the Montana flyfishing knot using rope around your wrists either.
Just sayin'
fish head
This previous post got me thinkin'. Does a citronella candle work on gayflies?
Maybe MagMarc ought to take a few along. Do they make a citronella sauve? You know, something that you spread on your azz. What about a citronella candle as a suppository? Most of the ones I've seen are rather large (they come in buckets). Probably would only work in the case where someone already has a severe infection of the gay and is now trying to kick the habit. A small slender candle might work if you were trying to keep from catchin' the gay (provided you hadn't caught some before - might slip out).
They do make a citronella collar for dogs. The whole dog collar thing may have reverse effect though, ingwe trains dogs.
Me too...another week and I'll be really worried...I'm hoping cause hes a lawyer he can actually afford a full two week vacation, and its been about that long...
Just got a PM from him....not giving anything up here, but suffice it to say he will be back after Easter....
Ingwe
that's one nice thing about being Lutheran (catholic light) - all the rewards without having "fish Fridays"... "Two for Tuesdays" still has a nice ring...
Every once in a while the church comes up with something good for the kids - like tonight, for example. Lenten Vespers, and what does Pastor Dave come up with? The 4th Commandment - Honor thy father and mother. Wonder if the kids were listening???
Every once in a while the church comes up with something good for the kids - like tonight, for example. Lenten Vespers, and what does Pastor Dave come up with? The 4th Commandment - Honor thy father and mother. Wonder if the kids were listening???
So where did they come up with this "Lenten" business anyway? When used as an adjective, it isn't Christmasen carols, or Easteren services, or Adventen candles.
When my son was in 7th grade, he had a teacher who looked (and dressed) a lot like this "teacher". I had more parent-teacher conferences that year than his other 11 years of public school put together.
Sure why not? That'll REALLY class the place up...
Mine...youve seen this I'll bet..
Ingwe
Dude, that pic is almost perfect. Only way it could be better would be if she was also holding a 20-inch rainbow. Congrats on marrying above your pay grade!
I'll probably be accused of "catching the gay" for even noticing this, but couldn't they have found a better prop than the Crossman 760? Just sort of ruined the moment for me... at least for a second anyway!
When my son was in 7th grade, he had a teacher who looked (and dressed) a lot like this "teacher". I had more parent-teacher conferences that year than his other 11 years of public school put together.
Doc,
as a student of Emersons idiom I ask:
In that quote above; am I to take parent - teacher conference literally or the way ingwe and RWE understand that now?
When I was in eighth grade my social studies teacher was a cutie. On some kind of theme day she wore her high school cheerleader outfit. I paid strict attention the whole class and still managed not to hear a thing.
I see the post count on this thread is still going up.
No pictures, banter, or anything else to be seen here on my end.
I now own this thread and I'm gonna start talking to myself. I'm King of the turds. I invented this thread. I gonna put myself on ignore just to see what happens. I put myself on my own Buddy list. I have badges but I don't need em. I gonna post pictures of red X's. Sooooo many things to do and say..........................
I see the post count on this thread is still going up.
No pictures, banter, or anything else to be seen here on my end.
I now own this thread and I'm gonna start talking to myself. I'm King of the turds. I invented this thread. I gonna put myself on ignore just to see what happens. I put myself on my own Buddy list. I have badges but I don't need em. I gonna post pictures of red X's. Sooooo many things to do and say..........................
Theres nothing wrong with beer for breakfast, so don't let anyone tell you different...its especially good with a spicy breakfast burrito! With Cheerios......not so much...
haven't read this thread in total, just check every once in awhile, however not sure what beer, golf, fishin', cookin', checkin' the frig, etc. have to do with sniper rifles, and actually that don't matter as this has become much more entertaining, but none of lee24's claims can top this: the campfire has invented perpetual motion!!!
There must be something in that German beer. It sure seems to bring out the breasts, I mean the bests, no - the BEST in them young girls.
They seem like they're drinking a lot of it. Gotta be healthy for you.
A Hofbrau franchise here in the states would sure give Hooters a run for the money. The Hooters girls with the 70's hot pants are a little dated, but them German girls outfits just has a timeless hotness goin' for em.
Putting everybody on ignore did have a downside and I have to admit that I was peeking just a little bit. I sent myself a pm on that.
I went to Munich and visited the Hofbrau house but I sure don't remember the beer frau's being that pretty. I was there in May and they were serving a special brew called Maibock and it was just a tad higher in alcohol content. Just one of those large mugs/pitchers kinda did me in. After that all I remember was a lot of singing, toasting, klinking mugs and more drinking. It was fun.
Just one of those large mugs/pitchers kinda did me in.
Lightweight.
I should have mentioned that the Maibock was consumed after three of four mugs of the regular stuff. I was sitting at a table with a bunch of fellow Americans I met there. There were all college students on summer break and I was 32 at the time. The college kids after one Maibock were rolling on the floor - literally. I at least managed to stay upright and continued celebrating (celebrating what I don't know). To say that it was a tad higher in alcohol content is a gross understatement. It was a very special brew in a very large mug.
I should have mentioned that the Maibock was consumed after three of four mugs of the regular stuff.
Now you're back in the game!
I'm quite familiar with HB and their offerings. If you looked up at the building across the street as you exited the beer hall you were looking at the Platzl which is the hotel where I've stayed many times.
When I go to Munich I always get out to Perlach to drink beer at the Forschungsbrauerei. They serve a blond bock that's stronger than the HB stuff. The last time I was there my buddy and I didn't want to walk back to the train station during the rain storm that came up so we kept drinking. After three liters each we were damn glad we weren't driving.
If you looked up at the building across the street as you exited the beer hall you were looking at the Platzl which is the hotel where I've stayed many times.
I really can't remember much of anything when I exited the beer hall. There was a glockenspiel and a Burger King I remember but that's about it.
I went to Munich and visited the Hofbrau house but I sure don't remember the beer frau's being that pretty. I was there in May and they were serving a special brew called Maibock and it was just a tad higher in alcohol content. Just one of those large mugs/pitchers kinda did me in. After that all I remember was a lot of singing, toasting, klinking mugs and more drinking. It was fun.
fish head
I have been hooked on German beer ever since I visited, back in 2006. I am going back this next winter, hopefully the beer and fraus are even better!
haven't read this thread in total, just check every once in awhile, however not sure what beer, golf, fishin', cookin', checkin' the frig, etc. have to do with sniper rifles, and actually that don't matter as this has become much more entertaining, but none of lee24's claims can top this: the campfire has invented perpetual motion!!!
Now ya done it. Lee24's gonna come back and claim credit.
When I was in eighth grade my social studies teacher was a cutie. On some kind of theme day she wore her high school cheerleader outfit. I paid strict attention the whole class and still managed not to hear a thing.
"Hot for Teacher" was my son's favorite guitar riff that year... he played it A LOT...
Theres nothing wrong with beer for breakfast, so don't let anyone tell you different...its especially good with a spicy breakfast burrito! With Cheerios......not so much...
Ingwe
Try beer, spicy nacho Doritos, Twinkies, and Copenhagen. Got your four major food groups there!
When my son was in 7th grade, he had a teacher who looked (and dressed) a lot like this "teacher". I had more parent-teacher conferences that year than his other 11 years of public school put together.
Doc,
as a student of Emersons idiom I ask:
In that quote above; am I to take parent - teacher conference literally or the way ingwe and RWE understand that now?
Theres nothing wrong with beer for breakfast, so don't let anyone tell you different...its especially good with a spicy breakfast burrito! With Cheerios......not so much...
Ingwe
Try beer, spicy nacho Doritos, Twinkies, and Copenhagen. Got your four major food groups there!
Ah, the cornerstones of every cowboy's nutritious breakfast!!!
Theres nothing wrong with beer for breakfast, so don't let anyone tell you different...its especially good with a spicy breakfast burrito! With Cheerios......not so much...
Ingwe
Try beer, spicy nacho Doritos, Twinkies, and Copenhagen. Got your four major food groups there!
I pretty much stick to dry toast, decaf, prune juice and a shot of Early Times. Oh, and some campfire beer fraus.
It is said it started in the Black Forest, this legend of perpetual motion. True, it involved a stein and a comely Fraulein, but that is not the source. Nay, 'twas only a catalyst. Some say it was the chocolate, but that was not it either.
It was not....Algore either, despite his pathetic wailing as he shivered on the beach at St. Kitts.
No, you see, this thing called perpetual motion, it was born spontaneously. It knows no leader and fears not the tyranny of the majority. It knows no boundaries.
It is stronger than Lee24, more powerful than a sniper rifle and leaps tall buildings without a running start. It gazes into the chasm called cleavage without hesitation. It is....
Theres nothing wrong with beer for breakfast, so don't let anyone tell you different...its especially good with a spicy breakfast burrito! With Cheerios......not so much...
Ingwe
Try beer, spicy nacho Doritos, Twinkies, and Copenhagen. Got your four major food groups there!
In my younger days there were lots of mornings when breakfast was Hostess Ding Dongs and beer.
Sweet Landcruiser! I had one in Baby Blue...used to fill the back with beer and ice, ice would melt and run out the drain holes in the floor! Perfectamundo!
Sweet Landcruiser! I had one in Baby Blue...used to fill the back with beer and ice, ice would melt and run out the drain holes in the floor! Perfectamundo!
Only blue I could come up with on short notice..
Hows Dat?
Ingwe
Dammit!
I need to scan some photos.....you win!
Oh, blue plaid....this pic became part of a Lee24 legend.
I'll bet you still treat your sweetie the same today
I showed her that picture and when she seen the devil horns .... she called me a little F'er... after all these years.... she told me little was cute...
Sweet Landcruiser! I had one in Baby Blue...used to fill the back with beer and ice, ice would melt and run out the drain holes in the floor! Perfectamundo!
Only blue I could come up with on short notice..
Hows Dat?
Ingwe
Dammit!
I need to scan some photos.....you win!
Oh, blue plaid....this pic became part of a Lee24 legend.
My wife and I were HS sweethearts; hope to get as far as you have.
You still her little F'er? (grins)
Us too, started when we were young and just never quit.
Yea, she's gotta lot of cute names like that for me.... Uh... sometimes she say's it in a cute way...
My daughter never cusses, when people comment on it to her they sometimes ask if her parents never cuss. She just looks at them and say's," my dad's a construction worker". They say, Ohhhh... She say's he not half as bad as my Mom, she would make a sailor blush.
Hope the construction biz is keeping you goin' there.
Last year was bad, I just had a bad year all around.
I just got back today from 8 days in California and other work lining up, knock on wood. Shaping up to a better year.
Thanks for letting me blow off steam and brag on my baby a little tonight, I needed it.
I can do that on this thread without looking stupid starting another one about something like this.... I have enough trouble looking stupid already... just look at my old pics.
Better years just seem to get to be more about what is not in our control, unfortunately.
It sounds similar to the Depression; lots of seriously hard working folks looking for work. Lord knows I've seen my share of applicants...wish we could hire them all.
Letting off steam, bragging and showing photos of oneself looking stupid is just part of life.
No matter how good you were (which you think is better than how you are now and you're right) you really weren't that good and yes, you suck now! Speaking only for myself!(chuckle)
My wife and I were HS sweethearts; hope to get as far as you have.
You still her little F'er? (grins)
Us too, started when we were young and just never quit.
So was mine... But it was complicated back then... And she had a couple 'other sweethearts' 10 years later I ran into her in a grocery store, with her three bastid kids. After dating for three years, we bought a house, then got married...
Then the next three years of my life were hell. The verbal abuse, the accident (just like her mommy, she played that for every last nickle it was worth, basically my insurance company just payed for a pre-existing medical condition) the affair, the getting fired becuase she didn't give a [bleep] about her 40K a year job, the out of control Lohrtab addiction, the 100 pound weight gain, the constant nagging bitching... Expecting me to support her ass and her three bastard kids, while her full time job was eating twinkies and dragging everyone in the house down to her miserable level... And then there was the last day I spent in our house... She started the usual daily fight at 2:30 while I was on my way to work (her favorite,) and like our long time marraige counselor taught me, I wasn't going to rise to the occasion. The fat nagging bitch shoved me around in front of her kids, wouldn't let me by her, then tried to shove me down a flight of stairs after I said I wasn't ever going to hit a woman. She did have the decency to ask me if I was "some kind of pussy" when I wouldn't hit her.
But hey, I signed papers Tuesday at 8:45, and I'm now a free man
The moral of the story is 'Don't put your dick in crazy' And sure as hell don't try and work schitt out for a year and a half after the bitch ran around on you, even if your parents are about to have their 36th anniversary in a couple weeks. I could've married a supermodel and put up with less drama
Looks like you were loggin saguaros back in the day....
Cool pic on the pony!
Ingwe
That was the family property we lived on until I was seven, it is in the middle of town now (Tempe) and completely subdivided after my Grandparents sold it. In the 90s.
By all meanns...get it for her! And put it on disks...the age weathering stops once its in the hi-tech category.. I think its really cool that she has an interest in where she came from, most young people are simply involved in where they are going...
Heck, I was king of the duffuses, I was a nerd before it was cool.
I never thought I had a chance with a girl like her, luckily she thought I was funny and I made her laugh with my antics. She told my sister to make me ask her out. When my sister suggested it, I said, no way, that girl has no interest in me. My sister kept working on me without saying she wanted me to ask her. Took me a month to get up the nerve and she was stewing the whole time, she still reminds me I didn't want to ask her out the first time.
When my friends first met her they told me, she's your cousin or something, that girl can't be a real date.
I've seen you guy's wives and agree we were all lucky they were visually impaired.
I started fishing A LOT in my 20's and wanted to understand fish more. I eventually became fish like in my quest to be one with the fishes.
I'm lucky enough to have spent the equivalent of a couple of years of my life pursuing fish. Back in the day a 100 days in a year on the water were common.
I started fishing A LOT in my 20's and wanted to understand fish more. I eventually became fish like in my quest to be one with the fishes.
I'm lucky enough to have spent the equivalent of a couple of years of my life pursuing fish. Back in the day a 100 days in a year on the water were common.
Thus - fish head
Well it sure worked. Do you lay eggs? I would love some caviar!
It's only the females that lay eggs. What I lay every morning might look like caviar - but I'm not about to go fish some out of the bowl unless you really, really want it.
It's only the females that lay eggs. What I lay every morning might look like caviar - but I'm not about to go fish some out of the bowl unless you really, really want it.
Just sayin'
fish head
You guys are friggin' crackin' me up!
Some fine-lookin' wives on this here thread. Dunno how you turd-like fuglies pulled that off--except Kent The Teen Idol, of course--guess I gotta get JM to send me some eye-bleach so I can catch one, too...
I might have time to scan some old-timey pics tomorrow, but today I gotta head up the road to sit on some HD iron in the showroom, then on to a dinner date at a fine-dining restrunt (one where you have to wear shoes...).
I think what Dan will need, and do, next is a string of tawdry, meaningless sexual encounters..
Then of course there will be the " transitional" woman...
Then I reckon he will just go " Catch the gay" and hit any Streisand and Manilow Concerts in the area...
Ingwe
Laffin... I've asked out 4 different chicks since Tuesday. Cracks me up, all those chicks in your world that you kind of know (the small talk variety) at grocery stores, banks, sporting good stores that are 30+ and divorced... When they hear you got divorced, they're like "Oh look,. A cute little lost puppy..."
June 1st, she's going to dump the house in my lap too... Anybody looking for a 2200' early 90's built split level with an attached 2 car garage on a heavily landscaped half acre for say, $210,000. I'll throw in a Weber Grill
Assam Dragon... one of the all-time best stillwater rainbow trout flies... who named the B29 that?
To the best of my recollection that is a B-50 which is nothing more than an up-engined B-29. Was stationed at Kadena, Okinawa during the Korean War, part of a nuke squadron.
Dad was in maintenance at the time, may have been the crew chief, not sure about that. The bird was one of his favorites...don't know how the name came to be.
"The elk aren't dead, ingwe already had a turn with them too. They're tuckered out. The one on the left is just watchin'."
Damn, that SOUNDS like ingwe DID catch 'the gay'. He'd have to give up his Poobah-ness if that's the case. d:^( Can't have a gay Grand Poobah of Turdliness, that just ain't right.
I realized I made a BIG mistake. Any man that can wrangle two bull elk and a dog in one day and not break a sweat is someone you don't want to pizz off.
In Montaaaanaaa (sheep like sound) it's a requirment that to graduate high school, that you have to attend and pass a class in Animal Husbandry ? ? ? It's just what they do. Ain't no gay there from their perspective.
ingwe still holds his Grand Poobah status just because of his turdlike humor and his fetish for women's boobs. That's OK.
Live and let live is all I have to say. I saw that "Deliverance" movie and I ain't lookin' for no trouble.
I got the CRF900 from Doug. I've took it to 691 and going shooting this afternoon where I will really play with it. I love it so far just farting around with it.
I won't get into the middle of Lee's problems or truths and falsehoods. I can tell you for a Fact, that Sgt. Carlos Hathcocks model 70 Winchester was sure as HELL EXISTS, NO 2-MOA rifle!!! You don't smack targets 800 yards and further down range with a 2-MOA rifle period. Just my 2cents worth and I did see some Remington .300 Winchester magnums one day at the Army's range while at Fort Benning GA. These rifles had no brand name on them only marked .300 Win mag. I knew right off, they were Remington push feed actions. The year was 1968!!!
Wayyyyyy earlier in the thread Lee said he was shooting at Ft. Benning in 1968, and had any of the rest of us shot there? I remarked that I had...but failed to see him there....that was also 1968...
I didnt tell the azzhat I was shooting smallbore with a ROTC team....
This gal was a friend of mine in Alaska. She had lived there for years and had fished a little bit, but never caught a King salmon. I finally got her out on my boat on the Kenai River and got her hooked up. I've caught soooo many fish in my life that it's just as much fun for me to see someone else get a little taste of what I've been doing my whole life. Being an unpaid guide for all my friends was one of the things I miss most. The smiles, hugs and high fives were what made it all worthwhile.
This gal was a friend of mine in Alaska. She had lived there for years and had fished a little bit, but never caught a King salmon. I finally got her out on my boat on the Kenai River and got her hooked up. I've caught soooo many fish in my life that it's just as much fun for me to see someone else get a little taste of what I've been doing my whole life. Being an unpaid guide for all my friends was one of the things I miss most. The smiles, hugs and high fives were what made it all worthwhile.
fish head
Fish, good job.
You and I seem alot alike, anymore I'll fish if it's slow or I'm finding the pattern, when it hot fishing I put the rod down and concentrate on keeping those with me on fish and baited up.
Headed tomorrow for Baja and working on my buddy's house adding a room so we can accommodate more people, yellow tail and grouper are going crazy down there also, working vacation.
Yellowtail in Baha sounds awesome. I used to live in San Diego and still have a good fishing buddy there. He said right now the yellowtail are just off of Ensenada and are biting big time. The large variety of home guards too. I'm seriously considering a trip there this summer. It supposed to be an El Nino year and the tuna and such should be wide open. It's been almost 20 years since I fished the socal saltwater thing, but I've been drooling at the thought of hanging into a yellowtail or tuna again.
Take some time and fish if you can. Need pictures too.
Would Framis frown on using a .410 to shoot halibut with?
It worked better than modified seal club I had. I whacked myself in the foot one too many times so I preferred to just shoot em.
The one I had wasn't exactly a sniper set up, but was a gun for fishin'. Slugs worked better than birdshot too. It just seemed kinda odd spittin' out #8s when you're eating fish.
Thanks for the video. Looking at the beach launch, the kelp paddies, yellowtail and the grouper got my blood boiling. In Alaska I had to lauch my boat off the beach going out for halibut. I had it set up where I could launch it by myself, never even get the tires on the truck wet, pick it up by myself and still never get the tires wet. It avoided the $45.00 in tractor launch fees and no waiting in line. Three people in the boat, 28 mph and a 60 mile range on 13 gallons of gas.
A lot of people think that halibut won't show up on a fishfinder. BULL. Every mark you see on the display is a halibut. It was a really good day.
Sorry for tooting my own horn, I'm just a little worked up on the whole fishing thing this morning.
fish head
I have a hard time tooting also, I try and keep most my pics of family and stuff. Like I said, you and I have alot in common, catching fish is no problem because we've put countless hours on the water, that's the key to success, more than equipment.
Give me a snoopy pole and hook and I'll catch fish.... same applies to hunting... weapon doesn't matter.
I gotta plant this here just to see if Les is keepin' up.
I, uh...
Um...
I think it caught the gay....
What would happen if I thought it was cutesy? Cuddly? Pretty?
fish head
All yours Fish, it's already nekkid, with tats and lots of EYES. Ingwe might like the eyes, dunno 'bout that. Y'all gaze into those eyes...stare into the limpid pools of darkness, you're feeling relaxed...now, keep your hands on the table top please...relaxed...
"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive." - Lee24*
That looks like my ex. Wasn't a happy time but she was a trophy and all that chitt(ok). If memory serves I remember her best in the image presented by a Leupold (Plug!) 1.5x6 Vari-X.
You will note I am not in jail, so the ending was anticlimactic.
That looks like my ex. Wasn't a happy time but she was a trophy and all that chitt(ok). If memory serves I remember her best in the image presented by a Leupold (Plug!) 1.5x6 Vari-X.
You will note I am not in jail, so the ending was anticlimactic.
Give me a snoopy pole and hook and I'll catch fish.... same applies to hunting... weapon doesn't matter.
Kent
No snoopy.
Tigger.
hoo hoo hooo hoooooo
That beautiful girl is one of my all time favorite pictures I've seen, I never get tired of it.... ever
Kent
I can understand why.
I didn't get much fishing in myself that day, either. Between the pixie and her mom, all I did was net bass and unhook catfish.
That was the second one she caught that day. The first one jerked her out of her lawn chair and almost into the water. Yet she wouldn't let go of the pole.
I don't understand where she got that stubborn streak....
ND, yeah. She was running up a beaver slide to spawn. And the resident 'expert' is wrong.....Another angle/another guess, fishhead?<grin>
Ain't no sucker-like lips on this 'un......just an outside row of shark-like toofs, with a snaggle of 'em running down the throat. She had a 12" rainbow in the gizzard, head first. All the rainbow-stripy color was gone to about midships. The bottom still had plenty of color....
Notice my reloading stand behind me? these pics were about '78 or so. Back when I was an aspiring teen-idol like krp. Still got and use the same baby......
Huntsman, you're right. No slime off of my back for being corrected. The second view shows that it's a pike a lot better. In the first picture I thought I saw a whisker hanging down and there weren't much color to the fish. Kinda looked like a flathead catfish. I got the beaver part right though.
Oh, and since it's a pike there, it's not a close relative.
I'll still claim to be an "expert" just to keep things in the spirit of the illustrious and notorious former fire member who started this thread.
HEY! I need y'alls opinion on something. Does this sound like Lee24?
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You are right, I am not a ballistician. I have not made any claims that I am, nor do I have any desire to be one. I do hold a Bachelors degree in engineering from an ABET accredited school that was obtained while married, working full time and attending 15-18 semester hours and 15 summer hours every year to fully complete in 4 years and graduated in the top 1/3 of the class. I do have an MBA that was obtained from the U of South Dakota in an accelerated 1 year program while teaching mathematics at a 1/2 full professorship load and was recognized as being the most effective professor on campus.
I do have 40 years of engineering experience with hands-on experience working 1 1/2 years in the Apollo Space Program at Collins Radio as an Applications Engineer and where I was ranked in the top 1/2 of all their engineers in the first 6 months of working there.
I do have experience from working on the Nuclear Waste Calcining Facility at the Idaho Falls National Laboratory for over 1 year doing Controls Redesign. I was certified as a Federal Energy Conservation Consultant and individually did the high school energy program for NE Idaho that was recognized by the state as being the most successful in the state.
I worked 7 years for the Department of Interior and Bonneville Power Administration as the District Engineer for SE Idaho. My territory there covered West Yellowstone to Jackson Wyoming to Wells, Nevada to Boise Idaho. I had total responsibility for all mobile and land communications, all SCADA, Transfer Trip, Metering and Relaying on all of the transmission lines (up to 345K Volt) that BPA had in that area. I installed and maintained the longest UHF link in the United States (125 miles with the Ryan's Ridge Repeater in the shadow of Garns Mountain). That link was only down once when lightning struck the Albion Butte repeater and I totally rebuilt the RF finals with spare parts and in less than an hour to get it back on-line. I was the only technical person in the area and had responsibility to install, maintain and repair all of the substation, repeater and mobile based equipment including the UHF/VHF dual frequency mobile units. When the line crews went out into the blizzards in the mountains my equipment was their only communication. They better work.
I am licensed as a Professional Engineer in about 20 states and have personally designed the power, lighting, fire alarm, security and utility systems for over 500 facilities including a 200,000 sqft City Offices building including 911 and incarceration facilities, a 140,000 sqft totally underground library, industrial facilities, Institutional Facilities, Commercial and multi-story multi-family residential. These were designed by me, not by individuals under my direction.
I developed, and programmed, a computer simulation model for the composting of landfill waste. This was a process that it was said could not be modeled. However, my client insisted that they could compost the waste completely without the adding of any water, which I knew could not happen. In order to document to the client that water would have to be added, I developed the complete simulation of the process including all of the heat generated, accounting for all of the off-gassing, heat and chemical balance and even predicted when the water would have to be added to the process. I received a Consulting Engineering Council recognition for the development of that computer simulation model.
Along the way I have been recognized by being published in virtually every Who's Who including Who's Who in the World, America, West, Engineering & Science, Finance and Industry, Emerging Leaders & a couple others. I am also a member of Mensa (the largest organization of under-achievers in the world).
Regarding my experience in external ballistics, I developed a computer program in the 80's to calculate external ballistics. This was based on Mayevski's Zonal Method. While I did not create all of the formulas, I did develop the formula myself that built on his model including all of the parameters that affect the bullet during external flight. I did it 100% alone including all of the formula derivation, computer programming, simulation of flight, and iterative process to do the zonal method. I researched and evaluated every other ballistics formula that I could find to determine which was the most accurate formula for the particular calculation, modified or altered in order to achieve the highest degree of accuracy.
It took 5 minutes for the program to run on the first computer that I had to run it on. It was sold internationally, was used by the military in Virginia and they informed me that it was the most accurate one they had, and they had them all. It was used at White Sands, in numerous small arms development programs, sniper programs, by the 50 Caliber Shooters Association and some that I don't want to know about.
One thing I have found in all this is that whenever you approach a problem there are inputs that will have significant impact on the output and there are inputs that will not. Experience will tell you which is which. It does not pay to spend time chasing down precise information on inputs whose specific value is not significant to the output that is being sought. In this case the rough comparison of 3 cartridges where the bullets are being upgraded at the time the comparison is being made does not require precise BC. This was verified in that the comparisons made with my initial BC's were not that dissimilar from those made with your BC's. And that is not to say that yours are any closer to reality because you have not given any engineering based information to document that. Just your own assessment of something published somewhere and with the background and technical capability to interpret that you have identified that you have.
So, if someone wants to expend the time to chase down some BC's that can be verified to be closer than any of those used, then those can be plugged into the calculations. However, they will not change the overall comparison of the 3 cartridges significantly and they will only be accurate for that exact set of circumstances, because tomorrow one of the manufacturer's will change the ogive slightly on one of the bullets for whatever reason (ease of manufacturing, better tolerance, ease of loading, more efficient, whatever) and the calculations will no longer be accurate. Also they would have to be done for every bullet that the manufacturer uses. Just as the BC's that you referenced for the 22WMR are for the round nosed lead bullet and not the jacketed tipped bullet available today.
So, while I am not, nor do I claim to be, a ballistician, I do have a little background in both the engineering relative to it and to the theoretical aspects of what effects a bullet in flight, how much it affects it, and whether it is significant to the objective.
I understand that this somehow makes me an idiot compared to your having the ability to read something in a magazine and have an "understanding" of how the BC affects the flight.
HEY! I need y'alls opinion on something. Does this sound like Lee24?
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You are right, I am not a ballistician. I have not made any claims that I am, nor do I have any desire to be one. I do hold a Bachelors degree in engineering from an ABET accredited school that was obtained while married, working full time and attending 15-18 semester hours and 15 summer hours every year to fully complete in 4 years and graduated in the top 1/3 of the class. I do have an MBA that was obtained from the U of South Dakota in an accelerated 1 year program while teaching mathematics at a 1/2 full professorship load and was recognized as being the most effective professor on campus.
I do have 40 years of engineering experience with hands-on experience working 1 1/2 years in the Apollo Space Program at Collins Radio as an Applications Engineer and where I was ranked in the top 1/2 of all their engineers in the first 6 months of working there.
I do have experience from working on the Nuclear Waste Calcining Facility at the Idaho Falls National Laboratory for over 1 year doing Controls Redesign. I was certified as a Federal Energy Conservation Consultant and individually did the high school energy program for NE Idaho that was recognized by the state as being the most successful in the state.
I worked 7 years for the Department of Interior and Bonneville Power Administration as the District Engineer for SE Idaho. My territory there covered West Yellowstone to Jackson Wyoming to Wells, Nevada to Boise Idaho. I had total responsibility for all mobile and land communications, all SCADA, Transfer Trip, Metering and Relaying on all of the transmission lines (up to 345K Volt) that BPA had in that area. I installed and maintained the longest UHF link in the United States (125 miles with the Ryan's Ridge Repeater in the shadow of Garns Mountain). That link was only down once when lightning struck the Albion Butte repeater and I totally rebuilt the RF finals with spare parts and in less than an hour to get it back on-line. I was the only technical person in the area and had responsibility to install, maintain and repair all of the substation, repeater and mobile based equipment including the UHF/VHF dual frequency mobile units. When the line crews went out into the blizzards in the mountains my equipment was their only communication. They better work.
I am licensed as a Professional Engineer in about 20 states and have personally designed the power, lighting, fire alarm, security and utility systems for over 500 facilities including a 200,000 sqft City Offices building including 911 and incarceration facilities, a 140,000 sqft totally underground library, industrial facilities, Institutional Facilities, Commercial and multi-story multi-family residential. These were designed by me, not by individuals under my direction.
I developed, and programmed, a computer simulation model for the composting of landfill waste. This was a process that it was said could not be modeled. However, my client insisted that they could compost the waste completely without the adding of any water, which I knew could not happen. In order to document to the client that water would have to be added, I developed the complete simulation of the process including all of the heat generated, accounting for all of the off-gassing, heat and chemical balance and even predicted when the water would have to be added to the process. I received a Consulting Engineering Council recognition for the development of that computer simulation model.
Along the way I have been recognized by being published in virtually every Who's Who including Who's Who in the World, America, West, Engineering & Science, Finance and Industry, Emerging Leaders & a couple others. I am also a member of Mensa (the largest organization of under-achievers in the world).
Regarding my experience in external ballistics, I developed a computer program in the 80's to calculate external ballistics. This was based on Mayevski's Zonal Method. While I did not create all of the formulas, I did develop the formula myself that built on his model including all of the parameters that affect the bullet during external flight. I did it 100% alone including all of the formula derivation, computer programming, simulation of flight, and iterative process to do the zonal method. I researched and evaluated every other ballistics formula that I could find to determine which was the most accurate formula for the particular calculation, modified or altered in order to achieve the highest degree of accuracy.
It took 5 minutes for the program to run on the first computer that I had to run it on. It was sold internationally, was used by the military in Virginia and they informed me that it was the most accurate one they had, and they had them all. It was used at White Sands, in numerous small arms development programs, sniper programs, by the 50 Caliber Shooters Association and some that I don't want to know about.
One thing I have found in all this is that whenever you approach a problem there are inputs that will have significant impact on the output and there are inputs that will not. Experience will tell you which is which. It does not pay to spend time chasing down precise information on inputs whose specific value is not significant to the output that is being sought. In this case the rough comparison of 3 cartridges where the bullets are being upgraded at the time the comparison is being made does not require precise BC. This was verified in that the comparisons made with my initial BC's were not that dissimilar from those made with your BC's. And that is not to say that yours are any closer to reality because you have not given any engineering based information to document that. Just your own assessment of something published somewhere and with the background and technical capability to interpret that you have identified that you have.
So, if someone wants to expend the time to chase down some BC's that can be verified to be closer than any of those used, then those can be plugged into the calculations. However, they will not change the overall comparison of the 3 cartridges significantly and they will only be accurate for that exact set of circumstances, because tomorrow one of the manufacturer's will change the ogive slightly on one of the bullets for whatever reason (ease of manufacturing, better tolerance, ease of loading, more efficient, whatever) and the calculations will no longer be accurate. Also they would have to be done for every bullet that the manufacturer uses. Just as the BC's that you referenced for the 22WMR are for the round nosed lead bullet and not the jacketed tipped bullet available today.
So, while I am not, nor do I claim to be, a ballistician, I do have a little background in both the engineering relative to it and to the theoretical aspects of what effects a bullet in flight, how much it affects it, and whether it is significant to the objective.
I understand that this somehow makes me an idiot compared to your having the ability to read something in a magazine and have an "understanding" of how the BC affects the flight.
That right there is a real gem, where did you get it?
It is ain't it. Over at RFC they are beating the issue of reintroduction of the 5mm Rem. Mag....to death. He goes under the banner of Ballistx or some such. My take was mixed but the last part....echos from the past.
It is ain't it. Over at RFC they are beating the issue of reintroduction of the 5mm Rem. Mag....to death. He goes under the banner of Ballistx or some such. My take was mixed but the last part....echos from the past.
It is ain't it. Over at RFC they are beating the issue of reintroduction of the 5mm Rem. Mag....to death. He goes under the banner of Ballistx or some such. My take was mixed but the last part....echos from the past.
He identifies himself as a Navy Veteran also.
Interesting....
I'd be curious if his post count there increased after the third week of january...
It certainly is Lee 24 ish. Could be. How many rambling, somewhat articulate, blowhards are there on the internet? I got to admit though, most of Lee 24's ramblings I never paid attention to. I just laughed at em. His Grand Canyon feats were out there. OLDMAN is the one that really grates my nerves.
Oh, and why are you guys picking on me? I'd never do that to you.
BTW, I'm also an "exspurt" on wiskered beavers. BTDT (that's kinda nasty huh) You started though.
get down to here to Lobos and the wind is howling, big breakers. If it doesn't lay down the groupers will be safe.... old'm will celebrate...
What's the deal with our BP harrassing us as we are about to enter old mex, I can see the third degree coming back in.... unreal. We were stopped 4 times by the federalies, they were more than polite everytime.
Hmmmmm..... I don't check this thread for a few hundred pages and I come back and it's gone from sparring with oldman & his butthole buddy to page after page of hotties. Not that I'm complainin', but how th' hell did THAT happen????
HEY! I need y'alls opinion on something. Does this sound like Lee24?
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You are right, I am not a ballistician. I have not made any claims that I am, nor do I have any desire to be one. I do hold a Bachelors degree in engineering from an ABET accredited school that was obtained while married, working full time and attending 15-18 semester hours and 15 summer hours every year to fully complete in 4 years and graduated in the top 1/3 of the class. I do have an MBA that was obtained from the U of South Dakota in an accelerated 1 year program while teaching mathematics at a 1/2 full professorship load and was recognized as being the most effective professor on campus.
I do have 40 years of engineering experience with hands-on experience working 1 1/2 years in the Apollo Space Program at Collins Radio as an Applications Engineer and where I was ranked in the top 1/2 of all their engineers in the first 6 months of working there.
I do have experience from working on the Nuclear Waste Calcining Facility at the Idaho Falls National Laboratory for over 1 year doing Controls Redesign. I was certified as a Federal Energy Conservation Consultant and individually did the high school energy program for NE Idaho that was recognized by the state as being the most successful in the state.
I worked 7 years for the Department of Interior and Bonneville Power Administration as the District Engineer for SE Idaho. My territory there covered West Yellowstone to Jackson Wyoming to Wells, Nevada to Boise Idaho. I had total responsibility for all mobile and land communications, all SCADA, Transfer Trip, Metering and Relaying on all of the transmission lines (up to 345K Volt) that BPA had in that area. I installed and maintained the longest UHF link in the United States (125 miles with the Ryan's Ridge Repeater in the shadow of Garns Mountain). That link was only down once when lightning struck the Albion Butte repeater and I totally rebuilt the RF finals with spare parts and in less than an hour to get it back on-line. I was the only technical person in the area and had responsibility to install, maintain and repair all of the substation, repeater and mobile based equipment including the UHF/VHF dual frequency mobile units. When the line crews went out into the blizzards in the mountains my equipment was their only communication. They better work.
I am licensed as a Professional Engineer in about 20 states and have personally designed the power, lighting, fire alarm, security and utility systems for over 500 facilities including a 200,000 sqft City Offices building including 911 and incarceration facilities, a 140,000 sqft totally underground library, industrial facilities, Institutional Facilities, Commercial and multi-story multi-family residential. These were designed by me, not by individuals under my direction.
I developed, and programmed, a computer simulation model for the composting of landfill waste. This was a process that it was said could not be modeled. However, my client insisted that they could compost the waste completely without the adding of any water, which I knew could not happen. In order to document to the client that water would have to be added, I developed the complete simulation of the process including all of the heat generated, accounting for all of the off-gassing, heat and chemical balance and even predicted when the water would have to be added to the process. I received a Consulting Engineering Council recognition for the development of that computer simulation model.
Along the way I have been recognized by being published in virtually every Who's Who including Who's Who in the World, America, West, Engineering & Science, Finance and Industry, Emerging Leaders & a couple others. I am also a member of Mensa (the largest organization of under-achievers in the world).
Regarding my experience in external ballistics, I developed a computer program in the 80's to calculate external ballistics. This was based on Mayevski's Zonal Method. While I did not create all of the formulas, I did develop the formula myself that built on his model including all of the parameters that affect the bullet during external flight. I did it 100% alone including all of the formula derivation, computer programming, simulation of flight, and iterative process to do the zonal method. I researched and evaluated every other ballistics formula that I could find to determine which was the most accurate formula for the particular calculation, modified or altered in order to achieve the highest degree of accuracy.
It took 5 minutes for the program to run on the first computer that I had to run it on. It was sold internationally, was used by the military in Virginia and they informed me that it was the most accurate one they had, and they had them all. It was used at White Sands, in numerous small arms development programs, sniper programs, by the 50 Caliber Shooters Association and some that I don't want to know about.
One thing I have found in all this is that whenever you approach a problem there are inputs that will have significant impact on the output and there are inputs that will not. Experience will tell you which is which. It does not pay to spend time chasing down precise information on inputs whose specific value is not significant to the output that is being sought. In this case the rough comparison of 3 cartridges where the bullets are being upgraded at the time the comparison is being made does not require precise BC. This was verified in that the comparisons made with my initial BC's were not that dissimilar from those made with your BC's. And that is not to say that yours are any closer to reality because you have not given any engineering based information to document that. Just your own assessment of something published somewhere and with the background and technical capability to interpret that you have identified that you have.
So, if someone wants to expend the time to chase down some BC's that can be verified to be closer than any of those used, then those can be plugged into the calculations. However, they will not change the overall comparison of the 3 cartridges significantly and they will only be accurate for that exact set of circumstances, because tomorrow one of the manufacturer's will change the ogive slightly on one of the bullets for whatever reason (ease of manufacturing, better tolerance, ease of loading, more efficient, whatever) and the calculations will no longer be accurate. Also they would have to be done for every bullet that the manufacturer uses. Just as the BC's that you referenced for the 22WMR are for the round nosed lead bullet and not the jacketed tipped bullet available today.
So, while I am not, nor do I claim to be, a ballistician, I do have a little background in both the engineering relative to it and to the theoretical aspects of what effects a bullet in flight, how much it affects it, and whether it is significant to the objective.
I understand that this somehow makes me an idiot compared to your having the ability to read something in a magazine and have an "understanding" of how the BC affects the flight.
Your joking right? Lee invented most of the things this poser went to school for...
I am SHOCKED,SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!! Half of these pictures don't rate being saved to my file of honor. Just not slutty enough. Gentlemen,let's step it up. Bob
P.S. If you dare call me a turd I'll put you on ignore.
I am SHOCKED,SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!! Half of these pictures don't rate being saved to my file of honor. Just not slutty enough. Gentlemen,let's step it up. Bob
P.S. If you dare call me a turd I'll put you on ignore.
There's a difference between being turdlike and being a turd. Your homework assignment is to start reading this thread from the beginning so you'll understand. Skip over the girlie pics and it'll go faster, leave the mayo in the fridge.
Topic? I think the topic is clear- All the things that are worth taking up sniper rifles and fighting for- fish, beer and most of all, sexy women! A minor ommission has been good bluegrass mausic, but that is kind of hard to get a good picture of...
Geez, I went out last night, slept in a little bit this morning, log on to the fire and there's a least a dozen pages to catch up on. That's a lot of work on my end for so early in the morning.
You guys have been at it good. 100,000 views in no time.
If I was a woman I'd just be playing with my boobs all day.
Hmm, anybody ever find out what women really do when they have those mass bathroom visits...?
I've wondered about that. Can you imagine what would happen if you asked a guy if he wanted to go to the bathroom with you? Yet women (and Lee and Oldman) do that all the time.
Teal for that price I'd just buy a resident tags and go up and down the river watching for a bunch of HOT chicks fishing. Know some those rivers pretty good.My father has fished those areas for 30 years or so.Almost the same for my older brother.
Dang, I was wondering where the heck all the turd-likes disappeared too. Noticed a bunch of activity here - wasn't too interested in sniper rifles but what the heck thought I'd take a look... Outstanding work guys.
I also noticed that the issued uniform could be used as a useful beer holder. It'd probably secure an oil can with no problems. The dog tags could be used to pop the top on a fresh one.
I'm gonna talk trash for a second. Sniper trash. 'Cause at 10:10PM this eve I sniped something. Was a red phase boar armadillo. Sorry chitt(ok) was rootin' in the yard, thinkin' hisself safe in the darkness of a rural neighborhood and overcast sky.
My Hawg Cannon with the Millett SP-1 took him clean thru the neck at ~30'. Dammmmmmmmmmm, those red dots are the 10s in poor light! He flopped over on his back and twitched. Mrs. Dan never heard a thing, no dogs barked and tomorrow the eagles feast at sunrise! Harrrr!
Did I ever tell you how good CB Shorts are for sniping?
...but we might have to switch topics once in awhile..
Ingwe
Caught up on my reading, switch topics, how about drunk Irish girls (with large clevage) and beer for St. Pats. With Easter on the way it there should be a lot of bunnies...IMO
I'm gonna talk trash for a second. Sniper trash. 'Cause at 10:10PM this eve I sniped something. Was a red phase boar armadillo. Sorry chitt(ok) was rootin' in the yard, thinkin' hisself safe in the darkness of a rural neighborhood and overcast sky.
My Hawg Cannon with the Millett SP-1 took him clean thru the neck at ~30'. Dammmmmmmmmmm, those red dots are the 10s in poor light! He flopped over on his back and twitched. Mrs. Dan never heard a thing, no dogs barked and tomorrow the eagles feast at sunrise! Harrrr!
Did I ever tell you how good CB Shorts are for sniping?
OK, back on topic...............
We need pics of the helmet when its done.
You know the best thing when stalking that rural tyrannosaur is to look just like 'em.
[bleep] yeah!
Red phase too? I've been chasing a cinnamon stage for years in Oklahoma.....
I'm gonna talk trash for a second. Sniper trash. 'Cause at 10:10PM this eve I sniped something. Was a red phase boar armadillo. Sorry chitt(ok) was rootin' in the yard, thinkin' hisself safe in the darkness of a rural neighborhood and overcast sky.
My Hawg Cannon with the Millett SP-1 took him clean thru the neck at ~30'. Dammmmmmmmmmm, those red dots are the 10s in poor light! He flopped over on his back and twitched. Mrs. Dan never heard a thing, no dogs barked and tomorrow the eagles feast at sunrise! Harrrr!
Did I ever tell you how good CB Shorts are for sniping?
OK, back on topic...............
No, No. That's on topic. You sniped em'. My buddy used to use CB's in his .22 for ground squirrels. I was stuck using LR rounds in my automatic that were way too noisy for urban shooting. I was always jealous of his bolt action.
...but we might have to switch topics once in awhile..
Ingwe
Caught up on my reading, switch topics, how about drunk Irish girls (with large clevage) and beer for St. Pats. With Easter on the way it there should be a lot of bunnies...IMO
Very good idea....
See my stock showed up? And not the one I was thinking.
...but we might have to switch topics once in awhile..
Ingwe
Caught up on my reading, switch topics, how about drunk Irish girls (with large clevage) and beer for St. Pats. With Easter on the way it there should be a lot of bunnies...IMO
I've got exactly one pic that can start this hijack...
...but we might have to switch topics once in awhile..
Ingwe
Caught up on my reading, switch topics, how about drunk Irish girls (with large clevage) and beer for St. Pats. With Easter on the way it there should be a lot of bunnies...IMO
I've got exactly one pic that can start this hijack...
...but we might have to switch topics once in awhile..
Ingwe
Caught up on my reading, switch topics, how about drunk Irish girls (with large clevage) and beer for St. Pats. With Easter on the way it there should be a lot of bunnies...IMO
I've got exactly one pic that can start this hijack...
It's still morning and if you go in your bathroom and sit upon the porcelain throne you'll once again regain you're rightful turdlike status as the Grand Poobah of the merry band.
Eyes that say, "You think you got what it takes? I'd **** you so ****** hard your ******* eyebrows would fall out, then I'd **** you and ********** ******* *** ******** ***** ********* ***** ****** ** ******* ******** ****** until you begged for mercy."
My dogs have had good lives...Ingwedog is aging now at 12.5 years...IngwedogII is still in her prime at 7 yrs...and has had an exceptional life..I'll brag on her to you sometime....
I know braille! I know braille! Hey everybody, sgt just taught me braille!!!!!!!! My first foreign language.... I'm willing to continue larnin' this stuff
I feel like I'm watching a fashion show for women's underwear. There ain't no gay in that is there? I guess there wouldn't be if a person wern't paying particular attention and commenting on "how nice are those panties".
Not much changes in Old Mex, worked a deal with some roadcrew guys to come grade an area next to the garage to park the boat, for Wed morning. There are a couple other Gringos in the village so went tues afternoon to get a fishing report/visit. Get back to the house and the roadcrew guys decided to do us a favor and run their Cat over the area that afternoon, tore out all the waterline from the well to the garage, buried it so we wouldn't see, idiots. Climb into the well and 4 hours of fixing the next morning. Launch the boat at 11:00 and one battery is fried, need one for each motor. Two hours later start fishing and my buddy starts puking, drop him off in the shallows and he wades in with all the stingrays darting away from him..... shuffle your feet....
Head back out, stop to catch bait and after quite a few rock bass and triggers happen to get a smallish Halibut, good eats...
Break a grouper off first and second drop, no more bites. The yellowtail are going crazy on the top so we end the day with some fast action and keep one.
Ate Halibut the first night.
Second day, thursday, the wind was big and so was the water, went out for a couple hours, missed two grouper bites, the yellowtail were still active so caught a couple and tossed them back, headed in. Just worked all day today and then headed home at 2:30, 6 hour drive home.
Eats on the second day, yellowtail and steak on the barby. And yes I made the salsa plus cooked.... my wife keeps me around for something....
Saw three finbacks rolling, wouldn't let us get close enough for pics but they were active for 15 mins a couple hundred yds away. Whales are always cool.
I could go off on Homeland Security and the rudeness.... not Border Patrol, they were still professional and courteous. Homeland Security are running the Crossings and it's a Fing joke.
I'll post a couple more pics, have to download first.
krp i think there's laws about messing with marine mammal remains. my brother found a dead dolphin and want to clean the skeleton for tx A&I university. he had to get all kinds of permits and stuff from the feds just to remove it from where they found it ( didn't realize it was in Mexico )
Thanks for the pictures. Looks like a labor of love working on the house. I'm sooooooo jealous of you. I'm stuck here in Colorado where the fishing isn't very good compared to other the places I've lived. I miss the ocean.
The house and boat belong to a long time friend, I can go anytime and love helping him work around the place also, makes it more personal.
His boat is great and we can fish rough water but it is a pain to launch and pull in. With no marina it's not worth it to run out for a couple hours on a whim. I really like that Klamath boat you had and it would be perfect. I could truck launch and beach it if I had to in emergency weather.
There are only 7 boats that sport fish here, 5 americans and 2 Mex, pongas don't fish the same reefs usually. It's unreal, or I should say very real. No tourists, no cantina, no restaurant, little fishing village a hundred miles from anywhere on land or water, maybe a hundred people max. A new highway has been built going by so you don't have to drive 20 miles with low air in tires to get in and out anymore, it may change, too bad if it does.
I can bring the TT down and park on the beach and have it all to myself if Ted has his family here also, it's just a great place if you are selfsufficient.
This beach runs for 10 miles and not a soul or house to the north, camp all you want.
Kent, It looks like heaven from here! I miss Mexico, I worked on the Yucatan for several years. The gringo and Mexican managers both had boats and the gringo was into tarpon fishing big time. i would tell more but don't want Fish Head to get tore up over the poon again
KRAPP! I knew you were gonna say that...but if you are buying the cases...you just gave me something else that I dont need on my list of things to think about!!
I had to pass up an old mag Deuce in a Remmmy 722 and it about killed me...
My 222 is going to get re-tubed (to 222) with a 20" tube and 1-12 twist for the 53 TSX and the scores of old X and XLC stuff I have. At least that's my summer project as of now, which could change 5 more times (grins).
It could easily be something else.
If I have to do the 223 AI it would go to PacNor, so....
I could never get the old Xs or XLCs to shoot worth a krapp...hope you do better. Meanwhile the 53 gr.TSX shoots just fine out of my wifes old deuce with a 1 in 14 twist...
I just never had luck with the old Xs....
TSXs are great and I just found out, TTSXs are magic ...
Yeah, the X's and XLC's haven't been half MOA in my 1-14 stuff, but on par with Noslers 60 party in 1-9 guns, so....
My 338's have run X's and XLC's silly, just like every other bullet, really, as well as 35 Whelens and a pards 400 Whelen. Sumthin's up Must be bore size?
My 222 is going to get re-tubed (to 222) with a 20" tube and 1-12 twist for the 53 TSX and the scores of old X and XLC stuff I have. At least that's my summer project as of now, which could change 5 more times (grins).
It could easily be something else.
If I have to do the 223 AI it would go to PacNor, so....
Sorry HawkI, I bailed early last night.. In answer to your question, no, they dont make the TTSXs in .224..though I'm waiting!! I was shooting the 80 grainer in a .243..
And I musta missed Olivia completely....How...I don't know...gonna have to scroll back through the thread..
I've seen that look from wenches before. They'll just use you and cast you aside. Then they get jealous when another one gives you that look. Crazy bishes.
Just something pleasant to get your Monday Mrning started gentlemen...Im still on Double secret probation from Photobucket, so I had to get creative and pirate this one.....
One more of her now off to find some more hot friends of mine on myspace. I shall return.
godspeed!
As promised, I am back Okay she has been on here before, but I can never get tired of this lovely woman. She can kick my azz and I would enjoy every minute of it The one and only Jamie Eason.
you can do a photobucket pay as you go sort of thing too ya know. I did it once.
paid for like 10 days left in a month which got me into a new measurement period for bandwidth then i let the pro expire. it only cost me a couple bucks.
Im only missing a couple days Dave, and you guys have done a real good job of carrying the torch for me....so I'll just be good, and curtail my usage only slightly...then I'll be golden....
I have a pertinent on topic question that Hawk might be able to answer. Expert opinions only please.
What'd think she's runnin' for PSI in them puppies? They look maxed out.
Are the pointy things a pressure indicator, a relief valve or an inflation fitting?
Are they self-sealing in case of a sudden pressure drop?
Is the sweater some kind of a contaiment safety feature?
fish head
You can't see the green capped valve stems, but there is 85 psi (cold) with hydrogen to prevent temp fluctuations. "Maxed out" is subjective; most prefer the top end over low pressure, which creates a gravity sag.
You can do whatever you want with the valves, once they are exposed...
Thet are not self-sealing, but can be easily repaired for a nominal fee.
Yes, the sweater is similar to a tire cage. Doing anything outside of them being in that protective shield can cause serious harm, injury or even death.....the worst thing is that you could poke out an eye...
I hope this helps. There are no real professionals when it comes to this technology. Most of us are just happy it has come to fruition for mankind...
Uhh, yeah. I had a sudden hankering to learn about sniper stuff. Figured to learn about the 'rifles' part, before I took on any further education.......
Those Celtic Women were on PBS this week, if you need an Irish overload. They are easy on the ears, and EYES, especially that little blonde fiddle-player!
In reading a thread on the optics forum, it occured to me that you owe varmint guy a debt of gratitude. If it wasn't for him you would not be Grand Poobah.
Damnn Irish, do OK with the beer but the flasks of Jameson can kill a guy. Catching up on the eyes, clevage and coffee really help to clean out some of the cobwebs. Approaching 7000 posts fast
From the number of pictures posted here, there are a lot of really good looking women out there. But, in my travels around town or even to a city where they have a mall and there are lots of women shopping, I see very, very few that look anything like that.
That bastid TLEE posted in the wrong place. He hasn't been paying very much attention to this thread either.
I just hope that that style of bikini catches on and becomes the go to attire for young hotties at the beach. There could be a downside though if it catches on with, let's say, the less than hotties. There's some things better left unseen.
From the number of pictures posted here, there are a lot of really good looking women out there. But, in my travels around town or even to a city where they have a mall and there are lots of women shopping, I see very, very few that look anything like that.
There's this thing called the Internet. It's where smart people do their shopping...
What, she kept the left one covered up? Local trollop with lots of cleavage showing is sitting in the front row at mass. Father is somewhat distracted. As he is exchanging greetings with people as they file out, he mentions to her that while he is glad to see her in church, he would like to see her dress a bit more appropriately. She replies, "But Father, I can dress however I wish. I have a divine right." He comes back with, "I am not arguing that, and your left isn't bad either, but I still wish you would cover them up when you are here."
Enjoying all the information regarding snipers on this thread...sure have learned a bunch of useful information! However, whomever chose to post a picture of snipers from hot Asian girls.com set off all kinds of virus alarms on my computer this evening....just saying....
Hope you can be more careful, as I really want to learn as much as I can about all this sniper stuff.
Everybody have a great evening and shoot straight.
Marc, its totally turdlike to have withdrawals, but the first step to recovery is letting yourself (and others) see the tawdry pictures....
The pics show with Firefox. I opened IE on this puter for the 2nd time since I got it.(first and only time was to download Firefox) IE gives red Xs on the screen. Sorry y'all missed them they are spectacular
The U.S. Army established a need to standardize a sniper rifle in 7.62x51mm NATO caliber, the model being the M24. The Druganov is OK, but what America has developed can leave the Druganov in the dust! Currently, the US military has three versions of sniper rifle in inventory: The US Army's M21, The US Army's M24, and the USMC's M40.
The M21 is a sniperized M14, that is equipped with an ART scope and can be mounted with a silencer, and is chambered for the .308 Winchester (7.62 NATO) round.
The M24 is a switch barreled Remington 700. It is a long action bolt action that comes with two armorer switched barrels ... one in .300 Win Mag and one in .308 Winchester (7.62 NATO). Most often, you will find it with the .308 barrel.
The M40 is the Marine's modification of the Remington 700 Varmint rifle in .308 Winchester (7.62 NATO). Generally, it is mated to a 10 power scope ... either by Unertl or Leupold.
All three rifles are limited by the ability of the rifleman and the environmental conditions. A rifleman can only shoot what he sees. A human target at 1000 yards literally looks like an ant! The .308 can be counted on to drop a target to about 1200 yards, ballistic-ally speaking.
The M21 can technically fire more rounds per minute (20 round mag versus 5 shot mag in the bolt guns) than the bolt action rifles. However, at distance, recovery time and target acquisition ... it would be a draw between the M21 and the M24 or M40.
While I have shot all three ... and I compete with an M14 and a Rem 700 Varmint Special, the bolt action M700 is less temperamental and more reliable than the M14. So, I feel the M24 or the M40 would be the better sniper rifle.
When I booted up the computer this morning I ran across a news item concerning a casting call for the new Pirates of the Caribean movie. In it the call specifies that no female having breast implants need apply. This seems to be a departure from usual guidelines.
AGW..no real need to go back and look up the Lee24 stuff..
And as for weird cartridges..I'll have you know I am the foremost proponent of the 7x57!! And have even dragged a .303 to Africa and shot stuff with it!! If youd like to cuss and discuss it, I think we should do that over a few Tooheys....
AGW..no real need to go back and look up the Lee24 stuff..
And as for weird cartridges..I'll have you know I am the foremost proponent of the 7x57!! And have even dragged a .303 to Africa and shot stuff with it!! If youd like to cuss and discuss it, I think we should do that over a few Tooheys....
Ingwe
The .303 British was my first centerfire, so I fully understand your logic. And yes, Toohey's is a wonderful foundation to begin the process of curing the world's ills.
That ain't natural. Interesting sure, but just...probably photoshopped is my guess. No gal I ever saw had that much of a flat spot on her cheeks is all I'm sayin'.
Since yesterday you guys have put up some fine, fine pictures. More than few made me pause and admire the exceptionally good taste that y'all have in women.
I'm feeling guilty for just admiring and not contributing more.
Leopard-boy, I mean yer IngweNess, sir (tuggin forelock an' grovellin' at the altar of yer web-fu awesomeness)... I hear ya, and I comply with your turd-like leadershipness here in SniperLand... but in Real Life, dood, I gots stuff ta DO, if ya know what I'm sayin'...
On Miss Miklosa - talented voice you surely mean. Thats what I thought. Couldn't have been ... could it?
I am with mathman on the boose. In fact t'night, me and a few old croonies will take advantage of a bottle of Glenfarcles, that was laid down befor the rinderpest.
OK, been ignorin' this thread because I thought it would be hundreds of pages of whining about favorite calibers for shooting, smelly, bearded terrorists.
Ingwe, how many pages back do the babe pics start! Hotcha! Just this page got my short range gun limbered up.
I've avoided anything by Lee24 so long that I paid no attention to this thread. Finally decided to click on page 80-something with only one eye open to prevent irreversible damage due to the intensity of the flames (kinda like clicking on a link from Les ) . Not much win.
The following happened:
Fractured right index finger bone (highly technical-please keep up). Mouse left click function key cracked. Scroll Keys functions inoperative. Ctrl+ keys stuck.
As leader of the turdlike people IngwePooBah will be receiving the repair bill which will be paid from the Petty Cash Fund.
Just got caught up again, you guys did great last night and this morning. With more people just finding this, it appears that this will continue along time, a great thing IMO.
Time for another hijack. If you get thru this without tears in your eyes...yer dead. __________________________________________________________
Poof - No Eyebrows!
Patrick F. McManus, from �Never sniff a gift fish�
Just as I was assembling the ingredients for a small snack in the kitchen, the doorbell rang. My wife, Bun, went to answer it, and I heard her invite in Milt Slapshot, a neighbor who often seeks out my advice on matters pertaining to the sporting life.
"Is Pat home?" I heard Milt ask. "A fella told me he knows something about muzzleloading."
Realizing Bun could never resist a straight line like that, I jumped up and headed for the living room in the hope of stifling her.
"Does he ever!" she said, chortling. "Why, this very minute he's out in the kitchen loading his muzzle!"
A wife who chortles is an irritation, but one who also regards herself as a wit is a social nuisance. I grabbed Milt by the arm and guided him toward the den before Bun could embarrass the poor fellow further with another attempt at emulating Erma Bombeck.
"Stop the cackling, Milt," I told him. "It only encourages her."
Once his tasteless display of mirth had subsided, Milt explained that he was building a muzzleloader and needed some technical advice from me. A mutual acquaintance, one Retch Sweeney, had told him that I had once conducted extensive scientific research on primitive firearms. That was true. In fact, it would be difficult to find firearms more primitive than those utilized in my research.
"You've come to the right man," I said. "Yes, indeed. Now the first thing I need to know is, are you building it from a kit or from scratch?"
"A kit," Milt said.
"Good," I said. "Building muzzleloaders from scratch is a risky business, particularly when you work your way up to sewer pipe too soon. Now the first thing..."
"Sewer pipe?" Milt asked. "What do you mean, sewer pipe? Are you sure you know something about black powder?"
"Ha!" I replied. "Do you see my eyebrows?"
"No."
"Well that should answer your question. All us experts on black powder have bald eyes."
Actually, I do have eyebrows, but they are pale, sickly fellows, never having recovered from the shock of instant immolation thirty years ago. Having my eyebrows catch fire ranks as one of the more interesting experiences of my life, although I must say I didn't enjoy it much at the time.
Indeed, my somewhat faulty eyesight may be a direct result of having my eyebrows go up in smoke. Either it was that or the splash of Orange Crush soda pop with which my sidekick Retch Sweeney, ever quick to compound a catastrophe, doused the flames.
As I explained to Milt, who had settled into a chair in the den and was attempting with some success to conceal his fascination, most of my early research into the mysteries of black powder took place during the year I was fourteen. Some of those experiments produced spectacular results, particularly the last one, which enabled Retch and me to attend the annual Halloween party as twin cinders.
The first experiment, in which my eyebrows were sacrificed to the cause of science, consisted of placing a small pile of black powder on a bicycle seat and touching a lighted match to it. I can no longer recall why a bicycle seat was employed as part of the apparatus, but I am sure my co researcher and I had sound reasons for it at the time. In any case, we proved conclusively that a match flame serves as an excellent catalyst on gunpowder. I later concluded that the experiment might have been improved upon in only two ways: to have placed the powder on Retch's bicycle seat and to have let him hold the match. Instead, he chose to stand in awe of the experiment and about ten feet away, sucking absently on a bottle of Orange Crush. On the other hand, my sacrifice was not without its reward, since bald eyes and a hole burnt in my bicycle seat made great conversation openers with girls at school.
The success of the experiment had to be withheld from the rest of the scientific community for fear our parents would find out about it. Unfortunately, my mother inadvertently discovered the secret.
"Is anything the matter?" Mom asked during supper the evening after the bicycle seat experiment.
"No," I replied casually. "Why do you ask?"
"Oh, nothing in particular," she said. "It just seems a little odd, your wearing sunglasses and a cap at the dinner table."
She then expressed her desire that I remove both glasses and cap instantly, sooner if possible. After some debate over the finer points of dinner table propriety, I complied.
As expected, Mom responded with the classic question favored by the parents of young black powder experimenters everywhere: "WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR EYEBROWS?"
Looking surprised and fingering the scorched area above my eyes, I tried to convey the impression that it was news to me that my eyebrows were missing, as if they might have dropped off unnoticed or been mislaid at school.
The truth was soon extracted from me with an efficiency that would have been the envy of medieval counterintelligence agents. This was followed by a bit of parental advice. But scarcely had this parental advice ceased reverberating among the rafters than I was already plotting my next experiments for unlocking the mysteries of black powder.
The discovery by Retch and me that we could purchase black powder in bulk from a local dealer was to have great impact on our lives, not to mention various parts of our anatomies. The dealer in question was the proprietor of Grogan's War Surplus, Hardware & Gun Emporium, none other than that old reprobate, Henry P. Grogan himself. We weren't at all sure Grogan would sell a couple of scruffy, goof off kids something as potentially dangerous as black powder. Our first attempt at making a purchase was, therefore, cloaked in subtlety and subterfuge.
"Howdy, Mr. Grogan," we opened with, both of us so casual we were fit to burst.
"Howdy, boys. What can I do for you assuming, of course, you got cash in your pockets and ain't just here to finger the merchandise?"
"Oh, we got cash," I said. "Uh, Retch, why don't you read Mr. Grogan our list?"
"Uh, okay, heh, heh. Yeah, well, here goes one GI mess kit, one helmet liner, a parachute harness, a pound of black powder, and let's see, now, do you have any of those neat camouflage jackets left?"
To our chagrin, a look of concern came into Grogan's eyes. "Gosh, boys, I don't know if I should ... It just don't seem right to sell you two young fellows ... Oh, what the heck! Elmer Peabody wanted me to save those last two camouflage jackets for him, but I'll let you have 'em. Now, how much gunpowder was that you wanted a pound?"
In all fairness to Grogan, I must admit that he did warn us that severe bodily harm could result from improper use of the black powder. His exact words, if I remember correctly, were, "You boys set off any of that stuff near my store and I'll peel your hides!"
The black powder we bought from Grogan had been compressed by the manufacturer into shiny black pellets, a form intended, I believe, to make it less volatile. Even before mashing them into powder, we found it was possible to touch off the pellets if they were first piled on a bicycle seat and a match held to them. The pellets did not ignite immediately even then, apparently for the purpose of tricking the person holding the match into taking a closer look at what was occurring on the bicycle seat. Then poof! no eyebrows.
Our first muzzleloaders were small and crude, but as our technological skill and knowledge increased, they gradually became large and crude. We never did develop a satisfactory triggering mechanism. On the average shot, you could eat a sandwich between the time the trigger was pulled and the gun discharged. A typical muzzleloader test would go something like this:
There!
RETCH: Okay, "M going to squeeze the trigger now.
MUZZLELOADER: Snick! Pop! Ssssss ...
ME: Good. it looks like it's working. Better start aiming at the tin can.
MUZZLELOADER: SSSS ... fizt ... SSSS ...
RETCH: Say, give me a bit of that sandwich, will you?
ME: Sure.
MUZZLELOADER: . . SSS ... sput ... SS ... putt *
RETCH: What time is it?
ME: About time for me to
MUZZLELOADER: ... ssst POOT!
RETCH (enveloped in cloud of smoke): How was my aim?
ME: I think it was pretty good, but the muzzle velocity leaves something to be desired. As soon as the smoke clears, reach over and pick up the ball and we'll load her up again.
Even as we increased the range of our muzzleloaders. the delay in the firing mechanism discouraged us from using them on game. If we had used one of them for rabbit hunting, say, we would have had to squeeze the trigger and then hope a rabbit would happen to be running by when the gun discharged. Squeezing the trigger before your game appears over the far horizon is the ultimate in leading a moving target.
Since we had up to three minutes of lead time on stationary targets, hunting with our muzzleloaders, seemed somewhat impractical. There was also the probable embarrassment of having our shots bounce off the game. It didn't seem worth the risk. A hunter can stand only so much humiliation.
Our first muzzleloader was a small caliber derringer, the ammunition for which consisted mostly of dried peas. This prompted Retch to remark derisively to a tin can target, "All right, Ringo, drop your iron or I'll fill you full of dried peas."
'May, okay," I said, "I get your drift. We'll move up to the hard stuff marbles, ball bearings, golf balls."
It was a mistake, though, and I knew it. Once you start escalating, there's no stopping until you achieve the ultimate weapon. Within a couple of months, we were turning out muzzleloaders in the .80 caliber range. Then we got into the large caliber stuff. Finally, we decided the time had come to stop monkeying around with black powder pistols and rifles. We'd had some close calls. We had reached the point where there was some doubt in our minds whether we might be firing a muzzleloader or touching off a bomb. Thus it was with considerable relief that we abandoned our clandestine manufacture and testing of pistols and rifles. After all, a cannon would be much safer; you didn't have to hold it.
The cannon was constructed of sewer pipe, two by fours, baby carriage wheels, rubber inner tube bands, a clothespin, baling wire, and various other odds and ends, all of which, blending into a single, symmetrical unity, neared perfection on the scale of beauty. A croquet ball was commandeered from the Sweeney backyard for use as shot. In our enthusiasm of the moment, it was thought the croquet ball could be returned to the set after it was recovered from the firing range. Alas, it was not to be so.
Attired in our muskrat skin hats, which we had sewn up ourselves, we mounted our bicycles and, with cannon in tow, set off for the local golf course, where a fairway would serve as a firing range, a putting green as a target.
As we had hoped, the golf course turned out to be deserted. We quickly wheeled the cannon into firing position and began the loading procedure.
"Think that's enough powder?" Retch asked.
"Better dump in some more," I advised. "That croquet ball is pretty heavy."
"And there's some for good measure," Retch said.
The croquet ball fit a little too tightly, but we managed to ram it down the barrel.
Then we both took up positions alongside the cannon to witness the rare and wonderful spectacle of a sewer pipe firing a croquet ball down a golf course fairway.
"Ready, aim, fire!" I commanded.
Retch tripped the firing mechanism.
Eventually, the thunder was replaced by clanging bells inside our heads, the shattered pieces of earth and sky fell back into place, and the wobbly world righted itself. Retch and I limped over to the side of a utility shed and sat down to relax a bit and collect our senses. Presently, a deputy sheriff drove up. He stood for a moment gazing at the haze of smoke wafting gently over the golf course, the patch of smoldering turf ringed by fragments of sewer pipe, baby carriage wheels, and pieces of two by four. Then, hoisting up his gun belt, he sauntered over to us.
"You boys know anything about an explosion out this way?" he asked.
"What kind of explosion?" Retch asked.
"A big explosion."
I was still so stunned I couldn't even think up a good lie. Anyway, I knew the deputy had us cold.
"Now, what I want to know," the deputy went on, "is why are you two boys sitting out here behind this shed smoking?"
"Shucks," I said, "if you'd been a little earlier, you'd have seen us while we were still on fire!''
I thought for sure he was going to haul us off to jail, but instead he just smiled, took one last look at the smoldering debris, and started to saunter back to his car. "Well, if you fellas turn up any information about the explosion," he said over his shoulder, "I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know. I don't reckon there'll be another one, do you?"
"Nope," Retch and I said in unison.
Then the deputy stopped and kicked gingerly at something on the ground in front of him. It was Retch's muskrat hat! The deputy turned and gave us a sympathetic look. "Too bad about your dog," he said.
The cannon pretty well quelled our enthusiasm for building our own muzzleloaders from scratch. Not only had it made a big impression on us; it had made numerous small impressions. Years later, while I was undergoing a physical examination, the doctor commented on some bumps under my skin.
Pay them no mind, doc," I told him. "They're just pieces of sewer pipe."
At this juncture of my recitation, Milt Slapshot jumped up and headed for the door.
"Thanks," he said. "You've answered my question."
"Gee," I said. "I've even forgotten what the question was. But if you need any help putting your muzzleloader kit together, Milt, just give me a call."
He hasn't called yet. I suppose he's been tied up at the office a lot lately.
guess i should be clear, i don't think silicone looks good either, compared to natural. just that both those women need one little thing to be perfect.
Hawk:...Nicely done....please do continue...............
Ingwe thanks for your many contributions to this thread which I know come at great sacrifice in time and effort..You may be entitled to a prize for outstanding literary accomplishment......
Hawk:...Nicely done....please do continue...............
Ingwe thanks for your many contributions to this thread which I know come at great sacrifice in time and effort..You may be entitled to a prize for outstanding literary accomplishment......
I propose the following motion, may I have a second?:
Ingwe Grand Poobah be nominated for the Noble Piece Prize to be conferred immediately and in absentia.
So does anyone have an email address, so we can email a link to this topic to get the ball rolling? Do we need to start a write-in campaign or is it by petition?
Please ask the lady join us for dictation. Fish Head has not responded as of the moment. The GentleLady from TX Ms. Ward will be selected to grab the leever and throw it with gusto. A decision will be rendered momentarily.
One of these days I'm going to meet a chick with a nice tight little body and tiny B cup titties that look like she's smuggling grapes, and a firm ass that'd hurt your balls if you don't take it easy.
I keep getting stuck with chicks with lots of Cushion for the Pushin' and saggy tiits. The only good thing about saggy tiits is that it gives you something to run your fingers through when you're doin' it.
Inger Stevens committed suicide by OD, sometime in the early '70s, she was stark-staring nuts, by all accounts. Still pretty hot, though.................
After all this cheap tawdry Floozy-fu...its time to wake up to a little class.....
I had to go over last nights postings time, and time again, in order to make the determination that they were Floozy-Fu...Don't make me hafta do that again Brer' Rabbit.... ..You know I hate that briar patch....
And oh, yeah I did notice the .222 was similar in dimension to the 7x57...but I believe IIRC that it was actually fashioned after the .30'06... ( Notice I didn't say "venerable"....pretty good for a Gun writers forum, huh?)
See now I'm paying attention to the important things. Kate's right boob looks a little smaller than the left boob. That's a turdlike comment. Not that that has anything to do with anything. Still a fine example of headlights attached to a fine woman. I'd tap dat fer sure!
I just tried to upload a photo to photobucket and they're infected again. I posted this in the campfire section also. I've never had a problem before but now both my anti-virus and firewall were blocking threats.
It was back in '81 when I invented Fridge Girl. I'm sure of it but then it was very drunk out that night. Her mother was blond too, but one eye was brown, the other blue. Was like lookin' into Satan's eyes it was...at first. "666" was a tat on her lower back, I swear it was. She barked like a dog and we became movie celebrities, or so I'm told. Something about pigs, or pork skins...something like that.
So why do I enjoy looking at a naturally attractive woman like this more than a highly painted, might-as-well-be-naked girl in an "ooohh, look at my boobs, look at my p---y" pose?
It ain't contagious gayness, pretty sure of that. Just gettin' older, maybe?
It was back in '81 when I invented Fridge Girl. I'm sure of it but then it was very drunk out that night. Her mother was blond too, but one eye was brown, the other blue. Was like lookin' into Satan's eyes it was...at first. "666" was a tat on her lower back, I swear it was. She barked like a dog and we became movie celebrities, or so I'm told. Something about pigs, or pork skins...something like that.
Regarding Number One Fave, That's most certainly return. Been there before, departures to theater are usually far more dignified than the end of tour. Trust me on that...I was much less dignified when my old man came back from Vietnam than I was when he departed.
Sophia's very pretty with a whole lot of class. She looks kinda young for me to get too carried away drooling over her though. She has that innocence thing goin' on. Who is she?
I was actually curious about sniper rifles when I checked into this thread. Talk about getting sidetracked!! I wish I had as nice looking sniper rifle as you hombres have been posting. She is A++, really pretty eyes too.
I was actually curious about sniper rifles when I checked into this thread. Talk about getting sidetracked!! I wish I had as nice looking sniper rifle as you hombres have been posting. She is A++, really pretty eyes too.
Ornery
Sidetracked?? This has to be a great source for info on sniper rifles, google can't be wrong
I was actually curious about sniper rifles when I checked into this thread. Talk about getting sidetracked!! I wish I had as nice looking sniper rifle as you hombres have been posting. She is A++, really pretty eyes too.
Ornery
Sidetracked?? This has to be a great source for info on sniper rifles, google can't be wrong
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LMAO!!! We is now the number 2 innanet authority on US Military Sniper Rifles!!!
Jeff you are going turdlike right before us. How's this for a design?
Ah reckon turdlike'd be a good thing. All I'm gonna say is man, ya'll are killin me. Been running through my mind to just slap the hell outta my old lady when I get home... ask me what'd you do that for, "cause you don't look like them chicks MagMarc is posting up" Expect to get a summons in the domestic violence trial. Now in REALITY, ain't gonna happen, she grew up head-shooting turtles with an iron-sighted 22 rifle, and I got to sleep sometime. Don't think I'd ever see the trial if I's to slap her round I was half-expecting you to come up with some Liv Tyler pics from LOTR. I'd do it myself, but my web-fu is non-existant. I gotta get outta here, go home and hay some cows - better not none of em stand still too long is all I gotta say. See ya'll tomorrow!
Coffee on deck, machines running good, bluegrass show on the radio, and this will work
What's the deal here, Jorge gets special treatment? I'm still waitin on some elfin chicks... may just have to learn how to search some up myself. BTW, I do believe the blond "elf queen of the woods" chick was a wee bit hotter than Liv if thats possible, but can't remember what her name is
Thought I'd give you an update on the haying operation: Well, there WAS this one little blond, actually charolais heifer that was giving me the eye and twitching her tail all come-hither-like when I got off the tractor to move the hay rings, but after realizing I's standing ankles-deep in cowsheet it was kinda a mood-killer. Even sick bastids got their limits, dontchaknow?
OT, but just thought of something - I'll let ya'll be the judge of turdLIKENESS, but I do have a fishing buddy named Turd, I kid you not... Our four-legged kids always end up with oddball names, got a Chihuahua named Festus, a mixed up Chih-fiest named Tic-Tac, and had a cocker, since gone on to chase rabbits in a better place, who was named Booger
i pulled up some old pics. here's a few to go with the thread topic. my niece !
here she is hold my poyer 1la1. and shooting a friends 50 bmg for the first time. i think she left a wet spot on the chair, she really liked it !! and a few more...
she really weird ! her dad told me wayy back, that a box of rocks could take advantage of her. it's true. she's into fairies, and new age crap now, got divorced, etc.etc.etc.... last i saw her at christmas she now had a butch looking girl with her at my house, and the family was talking in whispers it was her "girlfriend" !! bout blew mashed potatoes all over everyone when i heard that... what a waste, but she's weird !!
she is also a demo, but believes in gun ownership !??
she wanted me to introduce her to handguns, as she wanted to take a ccw class. she was afraid she would get stalked when leaving from work at night, and just general protection. it's not happened yet..
Not too decieving... anyone we can get legally involved and interested in the sport is a good thing. There is no downside to getting people that are generally from opposing camps interested and liking it! A Dem with a pistol or the dreaded " assault rifle" IS a hoot of an idea though!
all in all, she is a nice person. just different, haven't seen her since christmas, and still want to take her shooting, but ... she's just doin her thing and haven't heard from her.
and she wanted to model with guns, i talked to some guys i know at dillon and they liked what they saw, but she said she was too fat, and didn't want to take pics til after she lost weight.... nothing so far..
Works for me. I always liked Liv. She's got those big pouty lips, which is all good until you realize it's genetic thing she got from her dad and then things get all sortsa wierd.
I gotta quit thinking about that. I can't get it out of my head though.
She's pretty and all, but I just keep ruining it for myself.
Yeah, she's a favorite of mine. Don't take this the wrong way bro, but I'm a wonderin if you look at her and think of Stevie, Ingwe may not be the only one round here to have "catched something"
Yeah, she's a favorite of mine. Don't take this the wrong way bro, but I'm a wonderin if you look at her and think of Stevie, Ingwe may not be the only one round here to have "catched something"
See, you kinda got it right. I'd MUCH rather be thinking of Liv, but then I remember her dad, and then I get this picture of his ugly mug with big lips, about the same time I remember the 80's video of "Jamie's got a gun".
I'm friggin cursed. Got tired of Aerosmith a long, long time ago so it makes it even worse.
I need to seek advice from the Great Poobah. Am I catchin' something?
Very good indeed. Might that every Monday be so good
Man, I had a blond pic just for ya Poobah, but it's not worthy to be on the same page as that one. I'll wait till ya'll hit a slow spell and spring it then
Well boys, I've gone back and done a thorough review of the beginnings of this thread, and will soon publish an annotated Guide to the U.S. Military Sniper Rifles thread, which I will self-publish on the internet (which I invented, Al Gore be damned).
The short version is that most of the best witty repartee occurred between pages 40 and 120. The first chick pix showed up on page 130 or so, and the GREAT chick pix started showing up about page 140. If you want detailed commentary on witty repartee, you'll have to buy my book. Oh, and references as to which page Fridge Girl (real), Fridge Girl (photoshop), Pancake Girl, and Balcony Girl first showed up, will also be available only if you buy my book...
Available in the classifieds here on the 'Fire exclusively, and of course, Oldman1942 will have exclusive distribution rights...
Cosmic forces at play here. Some lunatic starts strutin' about history, fugged up beyond all recognition(FUBAR for you civies out there) and soon enough we had a four alarm SNAFU (If I tell you I gotta kill ya.)
The loon gets skewered on his own bayonet and somehow, probably a deep space neutron star collapse, this thing goes ballistic and, yeah, some of the funniest chitt I've come across in years.
In parallel symmetry I have entered into one of those darker periods of life and am staring at this weird azzed circumstance where some quack is gonna hang me by my heels and turn a Xylon robot loose on my innards with a sharp blade and excise some brand x cancer. Fug, it rains and shines. Yin and Yang. Loon is gone, I'm not and have no intention of slippin' into that good night. Too much interesting chitt goin' on ya know.
I'm pert near out of girlie pics but do appreciate the scenery and that's a fact. I am pleased that balcony girl is on top of the ratings at this late date. Not the prettiest, probably not the brightest and her virtue is questionable...but ding dangit, she do leave a mark on your memory!
I got but one question. A bet maybe. We gettin' to 100K first or 8,000? I say 100K, but maybe not. I got a bottle of Red Label says so. Any takers here? Any of you Knights of the Turd World got a different opinion?
By the way, no side bets with mayo............
On last thought...for the moment. I met this gal in Pleiku we called Annie. Little Annie Fannie actually. Pic of her here and we'd have a new numba 1. Part Vietnamese, Chinese and Jap. Nung material. Worked the O'Club bar at Camp Holloway actually and every GI ever saw her fell head over heels for Annie, several times. She talked a little funny....she would start out:
"HI GI! How you do? You have good day? We have too much fun whire you boys kirr VC! Too Funny! HA! Major Mac, he srip on stuff on froor from froor show rast night. Bust ass big! HA HA! Annie hear choppa leave earry today. Where you go? Rat-a-tat-tat! Go Cong! Anyway, you arr numba 1 GI, now sit skinny ass on stoor and have horiday! First one on Annie!"
We never cared much about how she tarked. Only thing I ever saw over there worth savin'. God, I miss her.
DD is great. No one, no where on the web has as good a sense of humor. There's a few here with an equal sense of humor that I shouldn't leave out, but damn if DD don't get on some strange tangents.
He said I tried to kill him on his only elk hunt.... the Kill-the-son-in-law hunt he calls it... A little rain, snow and a 800 ft escarpment... city kids... he's ok considering he's from Chi'town... naw he's a big family guy, couldn't ask for better.
You know, when a person doesn't really care much anymore, things change. I was near that point in my career in ATC and one day in the presence of a genuine Wash. DC. headquarters puke I laid an F-bomb in his well coiffed presence. Li'l Nazi azzhat turned me in.
It was a merry adventure and in the end I did two things I'm proud of. One was to retire about 4 months later without notice. The other was the response pasted below, that with transmittal cover sheet went all the way to DC Hq and the FAA Administrator.
All airway intersections have 5 letters. There are more intersections than letters so the folks within a local jurisdiction get creative when new intersections are named. You see, the intersections have to be pronounceable and air traffic controllers are by nature, wise azzed psychos. I were one. I invented this letter and it was actually submitted. No Chitt(ok).
So, without further ado; _____________________________________________________________
6-10-03
L.O.R. Decision
Mario Bosque Central Area Operations Supervisor JAX ARTCC Hilliard, Fl.
Mr. Bosque,
I am profoundly disappointed with the affirmation of your Letter of Reprimand per your letter dated 4-30-03. This issue will ultimately be settled by arbitration IAW the Collective Bargaining Agreement as outlined in the second paragraph of your letter, and barring success in that arena, in court.
Although I do not wish to sound repetitive I must restate my request for information contained in my letter of response to your proposed action, dated 4-14-03, that being a list of proscribed language or verbiage that is prohibited in the workplace. You threaten me with termination in your Letter of Reprimand yet are coy in regards to what language is acceptable in the workplace. If you refuse to respond as requested please have the professional courtesy to respond in the negative. Some framework definition is required in this matter, and to date the silence has been deafening.
I will take this occasion to address another aspect of my letter that needs amending even though it may be too late. I was interrogated by Ms. Gettig regarding my use of THE WORDS, and later signed acknowledgment of the transcript of that event. My mind was in such turmoil at that juncture that I overlooked a not inconsequential aspect of the text and my admission. The spelling used in the text was �F--- You�, and being no stranger to phonics I overlooked the fact that my words were in fact spelled �Ph--- You�. They sound the same. The origin of this phrase precedes us by many centuries and in fact has evolved through many changes since the original �Plucking the Yew�*. This is probably beyond allowable time frames for this process, but I felt compelled to set the record straight nonetheless.
In addition I must expand on my reference to the Athol intersection in ZMA airspace. Well, I have subsequently discovered a plethora of such intersections on the ERIDS system and other FAA sources. I feel compelled to acknowledge my total lack of understanding on the subject of propriety concerning intersection names. As these names are in the NAS data base I am left with little choice but to assume they are indeed acceptable verbiage in the workplace and as it appears that context is irrelevant I will feel free to use them as deemed appropriate. I will list them for you for the record with the state of location in closed parenthesis. Before I start however, I just want you to know that I consider this entire thing FUBAR (AZ). Did you know that COLIN (VA) is right next door to NUTTS (VA)? COLLN (CO) isn�t. At least LOINS (IA) is separated from BEAVR (TX) by BUTCH (OK). What a relief! But it gets worse, sorry. Do you think there is a hidden meaning in the placement of BUSSH (TN) just across the border from NUDEE (NC) and SLITT (NC)? You probably know that DIKEE (AK) is a long way from there but it�s in the same place as NAKED (AK), geographically speaking. If I lived on the east coast I might be concerned about my neighbors with DICKE (NJ) and LICKK (NJ) on their mind. There is some symmetry however in that JUGGS(ID) is several time zones separated from RACKE(FL) and CRACK(AK). Is this just another SNAFU(NJ)? What kind of ATHOL(FL) allowed this to happen? BABEE(NY) and BABBE(MI) are probably not the same, just as COLON(SC) and GASHE(OR) are different. Some people like to SWALO(MA), some shake their BOOTY(WI), some think MUFFE(FL) is SEXXY(IL), and out west we have DIVER(TX) and DIVVR(TX), but maybe they are of different persuasion. The message from the heartland is not ambiguous however since they prefer COOCH(NB).
You may think that would conclude the list of intersections that detail various body parts or have graphic reference to sex. DONYA(MI) bet your BOOTE(IN) on it BAABE(OH). I�m just getting warmed up on this FAKKR(CA). I want you to understand by the way, I�m not giving you the FINGR(TX) in a metaphorical sense. Just trying to define what is acceptable. If you find that my methodology does not AMUZE(AL) you, remember that I asked for your guidance on three prior occasions. Well, on with the show. No thought or association is intended by the order of presentation: BAABY(MD) HONEE(TX) LUVVE(CA) BUSTS(TX) BUXOM(OR) CUTEY(IL) DROOL(MI) FEELY(NC) LOVER(NM) CODDS(WA) DONGS(FL) LUNGS(WI) FLUZE(NM) BODYS(OH) BLOWN(PA) LONGG(OK) HUMPP(WA) RACKK(IL) SLEEZ(CA) QUIKY(PA) HUMMR(AZ) RACKS(NM) ANNAS(VA)
Tell me this is one big FOPAW(OK), please. It makes me want to consider getting DRUNK(MA) with some HOOCH(PA) or BEERS(PA), or high on GANJA(TX) or WEEDD(CA) or GRASS(WI) or JUNKE(KS). Is this how one becomes a JUNKI(VA)? Before I get back to the sexual innuendo I want to share some ethnic slang with you. It seems to be very diverse so maybe it�s okay. Must be since it�s been blessed by Washington. CAJIN(VA) CAJUN(FL) CANUK(GA) DINKS(VA) SLANT(TX) and COONS(AZ). Seems like a CROCK(MO) of CHITT(VT) to me. Unless you�re a PUTTZ(MS) you�d have to agree. What a DOOZI(AK) of a mess this is. It makes me feel a bit like Donald Duck; You know, the part about not giving a QUACK(AK). That by the way is a derivative of PH---, which is derived from F---, a further derivation of PLUCK(OK) which originated from the 1400�s according to my source. Funny how PLUCK(OK) and PH--- are five letter words. I wonder why the latter didn�t make the list.
Other insensitive verbiage, perhaps better left off the airwaves: CREEP(OH) DAAME(RI) FATTI(VA) FATTS(TN) FATTY(FL) FLABB(TN) HONIE(GA) HONNY(NE) NERDE(ND) UGLEE(FL); And while I�m at it, don�t be a MORON(CA) and try to convince me that this GUANO(FL) is okay. It is not.
Well now, its time to get back to the world of innuendo. This isn�t about who has the LONGER(AL) WILLY(VA), nor does it matter if your BABYS(TX) looking for a BUBEE(IA) NOOGY(CA). I�m not going to get into SLITZ(MO), COLNZ(IA), CRAPS(NV) even as I try to keep this out of the BENJO(MI). With that thought in mind there is little purpose in discussing FISTR(CO). Such is life on planet EARTH(FL).
I know you think my attitude is �FIGMO�(TX), but the bottom line is that I think I�m getting the SHAFT(CO), and a CHITI(OK) deal as well. The really bad news is that I didn�t use half of the named intersections available in this dissertation (?). The PC Police could have a ball here, don�t you agree?
You might reasonably conclude that to some degree I have written this tongue-in-cheek and such assumption would be correct in the main. Do not be lulled into ignoring the second paragraph of this letter. I�m not smiling that much.
ADIOS(DE) AMIGO(CA),
Dan H. Central Area CPC
* Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating victory over the British, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger it would be impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore they would be incapable of fighting in the future. The longbow was made of the native Yew tree, and the act of drawing the longbow was known as �plucking the yew� (or �pluck yew�). Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a major upset and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at them, saying �See, we can still pluck yew! PLUCK YEW!� Since �pluck yew� is difficult to say, the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning gradually changed to a labiodental fricative �F�, and thus THE WORDS often used in conjunction with the one fingered salute are mistakenly thought to have something to do with an intimate encounter. It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows used with the longbow that the symbolic gesture is known as �giving the bird�.
March 22, 2010: A year ago, in response to user requests, the U.S. Army ordered upgrades for its sniper equipment, including 38.4 million rounds of .300 Winchester magnum ammunition for the newly modified M-24 sniper rifles. The new ammo costs about $1.30 per round. The army is also modifying rifle magazines to hold ten, rather than five, rounds. A new scope (25x instead of 10x) and a flash suppressor is being provided as well. Other changes are in the works. Snipers have been enormously successful in Iraq and Afghanistan, and when new gear is asked for, it is usually provided. Snipers have been asking for a longer range weapon, but not one as bulky and heavy as the 30 pound .50 caliber (12.7mm) rifle (which is good to about 2,000 meters). Thus the army is modifying existing M24 rifles to fire the more powerful .300 Winchester Magnum ("Win Mag") round. It was felt that this gave the snipers all the additional range they needed, without requiring a much heavier rifle. SOCOM has been using this approach since the early 1990s.
The calls were loudest from snipers operating in Afghanistan, where U.S. Army and Marine Corps shooters wanted a sniper rifle that can consistently get kills out to 1,800 meters. The current 7.62mm round was good only to about 800 meters. The 300 Winchester magnum is a more powerful, but not much larger, round than the current 7.62mm one. By replacing the barrel and receiver of the $6,700 M24 sniper rifle, for about $4,000, you can fire the .300 Winchester Magnum round. This is longer (at 7.62 x 67mm) than the standard 7.62x51mm round, and is good out to 1,200 meters. An improved version of the round is expected to extend that range another 200 meters or so. The only downside is the greater recoil for the Win Mag, which requires snipers to spend some time and effort adjusting to this.
There was another option, and that was to replace the barrel and receiver of the M24 sniper rifles to handle the .338 (8.6mm) Lapua Magnum round. Thus you still have a 17 pound sniper rifle, but with a round that can hit effectively out to about 1,600 meters. British snipers in Iraq, and especially Afghanistan, have found the Lapua Magnum round does the job at twice the range of the standard 7.62x51mm round. The 8.6mm round entered use in the early 1990s, and became increasingly popular with police and military snipers. Some NATO snipers have used this round in Afghanistan with much success, and have a decade of experience with these larger caliber rifles. Recognizing the popularity of the 8.6mm round, Barrett, the pioneer in 12.7mm sniper rifles, came out with a 15.5 pound version of its rifle, chambered for the 8.6mm. But the U.S. preferred the lighter .300 Winchester magnum solution.
This is not the first time the U.S. Army has quickly responded to sniper needs. Three years ago, in response to requests from snipers operating in urban areas of Iraq, the U.S. Army began issuing the M110 SASS (Semi-Automatic Sniper System). Urban snipers often have multiple targets, at relatively short ranges. They needed a semiautomatic rifle. Previously, many snipers have had success using tuned up M-14s (from the 1960s) as sniper rifles. While semi-automatic and rugged, the M-14 wasn't designed to be a sniper rifle. The M110 was a better semi-automatic sniper rifle, since it is inherently more reliable and accurate. As far back as World War II, it was known that there were many situations where a semi-automatic sniper rifle would come in handy. But it's taken over half a century to solve the reliability and accuracy problems.
The M110 is a based on the AR-10 rifle. The U.S. Navy has been buying a similar weapon, the SR25. This is also known as the Mk11 Sniper Rifle System (SRS). These new semi-automatic sniper rifles are 7.62mm weapons based on the designs of M-16 creator, Gene Stoner. The basis for the M-16 was the AR-15, and a 7.62mm version of that weapon was called the AR-10. About half the parts in the SR25 are interchangeable with those in the M-16. The Stoner sniper rifles achieved its high accuracy partly by using a 20 inch heavy floating barrel. The "floating" means that the barrel is attached only to the main body of the rifle to reduce resonance (which throws off accuracy.)
The M110 weighs 17.3 pounds in combat, and about 70 pounds with all components of the system. The M110 can use a ten or twenty round magazine. The 40.5 inch long rifle can have a six inch tube attached to the barrel, which reduces the noise and flash made when the rifle fires, and largely eliminates nearby dust rising into the air, which often gives away the snipers position.
The M110 will gradually replace many of the bolt-action M24s, while the remaining M24s will be converted to fire the .300 Winchester Magnum, for those snipers working somewhere, like Afghanistan, where more range is needed.
And BTW, your letter was seriously turd-like! When Hawk gets around to designing the new Turdlike Post of the Day Award, you oughta get it for that one.
The Army is sending rifles to Afghanistan that will double the killing range of troops.
The M14 Enchanced Battle Rifle is accurate out to 800 yards, Army Times reported.
�It�s a very precise weapon system,� said Spc. Andrew McMeley, a squad designated marksman serving in Afghanistan with B Company, 2nd Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment. �All the improvements on it are fantastic.� Up to now only a squad�s designated marksmen got the long-range rifle.
Not all soldiers will get them. Only 5,000 have been ordered. That means there will be two members of each squad with one.
�Comments from returning noncommissioned officers and officers reveal that about 50 percent of engagements occur past 300 meters,� Maj. Thomas Ehrhart wrote in his Nov. 30 position paper �Increasing Small Arms Lethality in Afghanistan: Taking Back the Infantry Half-Kilometer� at the School of Advanced Military Studies at the Army�s Command and General Staff College, Fort Leavenworth, Kan.
Units will get three days of training when they receive the new weapons.
Liabilities are that the weapon�s ammo is heavier, and it is more difficult to maintain. Soldiers who have tried them out say they are more difficult to take apart and clean.
The Army Times report did not mention how the weapon will perform in close quarters, such as inside buildings. Another question is whether they will have detachable optics.Wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_14_Mod_0_Enhanced_Battle_Rifle
This would be like telling you I like to smear a little mud on the objective lens of my S&B so that big old 56mm piece of polished glass doesn't glint in the morning sun and give away my position to the deer.
I don't mix drinks with serious whisk(e)y, and the idea of chilling it is anathema to me. I actually want to taste the whisk(e)y when I drink it.
It kills the aromatics which reduces the olfactory input to the taste experience and it also anesthetizes the taste buds. As a result the flavor notes are not only dampened but they are thrown out of balance as well, some of them being affected more than others by the cold.
I drink Booker's at 120+ proof and George T. Stagg at 140+ proof with no ice or freezer chill. Whisk(e)y is smooth or not in and of itself. If the flavor profile of one is too intense then try another.
The "smoothness" folks associate with chilling the whisk(e)y is really just lack of sensation due to numbing the palate, dumbing down the flavor so to speak.
C'mon guys! Am I surrounded by a bunch of candy asses here?
I drink Booker's at 120+ proof and George T. Stagg at 140+ proof with no ice or freezer chill. Whisk(e)y is smooth or not in and of itself. If the flavor profile of one is too intense then try another.
The "smoothness" folks associate with chilling the whisk(e)y is really just lack of sensation due to numbing the palate, dumbing down the flavor so to speak.
C'mon guys! Am I surrounded by a bunch of candy asses here?
I drink Booker's at 120+ proof and George T. Stagg at 140+ proof with no ice or freezer chill. Whisk(e)y is smooth or not in and of itself. If the flavor profile of one is too intense then try another.
The "smoothness" folks associate with chilling the whisk(e)y is really just lack of sensation due to numbing the palate, dumbing down the flavor so to speak.
C'mon guys! Am I surrounded by a bunch of candy asses here?
Hell I put Coke and ice in my bourbon
Here, Here. I'll raise a toast to that.
My preference is Crown and coke or Jack and coke.
Snobnesss be damned. I just try and catch a good buzz. A few straight shots added for good measure too.
Buzz catching and appreciating good whisk(e)y are two different things.
For buzz catching give me a half decent $20 blended Scotch and some soda on the rocks. Or a cold gin and tonic on a hot day.
That's a different ball game than putting ice in Van Winkle Lot B bourbon, which I would consider a crime.
Scotch is where I draw the line. I appreciate a fine scotch enough to not pollute it. A little ice is OK but that's about it. Lower grade blended, I'll pass.
Scotch is where I draw the line. I appreciate a fine scotch enough to not pollute it. A little ice is OK but that's about it. Lower grade blended, I'll pass.
fish head
Oh, shure..self-righteousness rears its ugly head....
Scotch is where I draw the line. I appreciate a fine scotch enough to not pollute it. A little ice is OK but that's about it. Lower grade blended, I'll pass.
fish head
Oh, shure..self-righteousness rears its ugly head....
Ingwe
I can be as redecked as any other guy, but I do have an air of sophistication.
I've been called a commonsewer most of my life! As opposed to a connoisseur.
Paul, only because perception is near 99% of reality do I say this, but that li'l fat bastid wears glasses and has to look at his shirt upside down. After considering what he sees when he tries to read the shirt, I conclude he doesn't have a friggin' clue what he's about, least ways not in his reality.
I didn't have the time, or frankly the inclination, to scroll the whole way through this thread, so I engineered and invented a pocket-sized robot- the first of its kind- to do it for me... Once done it will compile a synopsis and download it on to my hard drive for future reference. I would post a pic of this robot, but you people don't deserve to see it. Leee25
wink Ingwe
It appears to me, this thread needs a synopsis.
Now for that pain in all the diodes down my lefts side...
Paul, only because perception is near 99% of reality do I say this, but that li'l fat bastid wears glasses and has to look at his shirt upside down. After considering what he sees when he tries to read the shirt, I conclude he doesn't have a friggin' clue what he's about, least ways not in his reality.
That's my take anyway.
Dan
DigiD,
Exactly my point & another indication that it is, in fact, Lee !
That's a different ball game than putting ice in Van Winkle Lot B bourbon, which I would consider a crime.
got a bottle of Rip and a bottle of 20 year Pappy for my 40th birthday. Drank the Rip that night and the Pappy is still unopened. Might open it Monday night if Butler wins though. Some seriously good bourbon there...
That's enough sophistication for one day from me - need a return of the tramp stamp...
Ok dudes, nice as it's been, just felt it's missing something. I have no idea what she's sayin', but I'm pretty sure it is something like: "I have been very, very bad and am looking for an ugly, bearded American to spank me - maybe one of those, how do you say - redneck types who so likes to hunt and fish"
Sein Blick ist vom Vor�bergehn der St�be so m�d geworden, dass er nichts mehr h�lt. Ihm ist, als ob es tausend St�be g�be und hinter tausend St�ben keine Welt.
Der weiche Gang geschmeidig starker Schritte, der sich im allerkleinsten Kreise dreht, ist wie ein Tanz von Kraft um eine Mitte, in der bet�ubt ein gro�er Wille steht.
Nur manchmal schiebt der Vorhang der Pupille sich lautlos auf -. Dann geht ein Bild hinein, geht durch der Glieder angespannte Stille - und h�rt im Herzen auf zu sein.
wow. i think i may never have another erection, ever. anyone making disparaging remarks about my erections will hereby have caught the gay from Northern Dave and i will call and tell your spouses.
*laughing my arse off*
sometimes, ya post something and ya think "wow...they're gonna get me for THAT one...
Well now that it is quoted, you cannot even delete it with an edit just sayin,,,,,,,,,,
Ok, you have forced my hand with the dudekini pics - Here's a "blond" for you guys, check out them teats... Was saving it for morning so I could offer you some cream with your coffee, but like it looks like now is the time. MOOOOOOOOINGWE I think she's winking at you.
Ok, you have forced my hand with the dudekini pics - Here's a "blond" for you guys, check out them teats... Was saving it for morning so I could offer you some cream with your coffee, but like it looks like now is the time. MOOOOOOOOINGWE I think she's winking at you.
And hock deep in mud no less........she should be easy.
Well, the cow was an answer in protest to the guy pics. My lil way of saying to get back on topic or suffer the bovine results BTW, hope ya'll can take a joke! If not I guess it's a little late now.
When He and Lee24 broke up it was bad. She took pity on him...
I believe that was right after the 30 mile hike in debacle, when Lee had to save ingwe on the way out from freezing to death by... Uhhh... I can't say it here. ingwe caught something and has never been the same since.
When He and Lee24 broke up it was bad. She took pity on him...
I believe that was right after the 30 mile hike in debacle, when Lee had to save ingwe on the way out from freezing to death by... Uhhh... I can't say it here. ingwe caught something and has never been the same since.
The most important factor is being in physical shape, having a metabolism which has experienced severe cold so your subconcious system knows how to react to it, and having your body loaded with sufficient and proper fuel.
All the gear in the world is useless once you get soaking wet. Look at those Special Forces who died of exposure on a training exercise in Florida in temperatures of 54 degrees.
You have to keep some gear and clothing dry.
A friend and I got caught in a weather change from 55 degrees to freezing rain and 70 mph winds which shredded our tent. We loaded up and walked out in the dark, descending 4,000 feet in 18 miles that we had covered earlier that day. At one point, my partner had such severe hypothermia that he went blind, and we had to stop and huddle while our clothing froze. When the freezing rain and sleet turned to a warmer drizzle, we got up and made it to an Adirondack, where we shed our wet clothing and got into our dry sleeping bags and warmed up.
I certainly found out what worked and what didn't. If we had both not been in super physical conditioning and had the nuts, dried fruit, and jerky to eat, we could not have kept hiking and generating heat to stay alive.
Ingwe - Nope, never saw that photo. Now I understand why you had to resort to drastic measures. Probably have to KEEP her drugged, too, no doubt, to put up with the likes of you...
Here's my better half. Didn't have to drug her. The brainwashing worked.
Ingwe - Nope, never saw that photo. Now I understand why you had to resort to drastic measures. Probably have to KEEP her drugged, too, no doubt, to put up with the likes of you...
Here's my better half. Didn't have to drug her. The brainwashing worked.
The most important factor is being in physical shape, having a metabolism which has experienced severe cold so your subconcious system knows how to react to it, and having your body loaded with sufficient and proper fuel.
All the gear in the world is useless once you get soaking wet. Look at those Special Forces who died of exposure on a training exercise in Florida in temperatures of 54 degrees.
You have to keep some gear and clothing dry.
A friend and I got caught in a weather change from 55 degrees to freezing rain and 70 mph winds which shredded our tent. We loaded up and walked out in the dark, descending 4,000 feet in 18 miles that we had covered earlier that day. At one point, my partner had such severe hypothermia that he went blind, and we had to stop and huddle while our clothing froze. When the freezing rain and sleet turned to a warmer drizzle, we got up and made it to an Adirondack, where we shed our wet clothing and got into our dry sleeping bags and warmed up.
I certainly found out what worked and what didn't. If we had both not been in super physical conditioning and had the nuts, dried fruit, and jerky to eat, we could not have kept hiking and generating heat to stay alive.
I've tried selling mine for years on the polygamy thing, telling her she would be the senior and could watch the soaps while the others cooked, cleaned, whatever - no luck yet. Then I get to thinking what a cluster it'd be if they all started nagging at the same time I'd probably just shoot myself, just the one wife and two kids have almost had me there a few times.
OK...its bad enough that your wife is a cutie, but now you've really pizzed me off...you're skinny!!
THAT is an affliction I do not suffer from.....
Ingwe
Not all of me. Har Har Har...!
Actually, that pic is a couple of years old from last trip to Puerto Vallarta. I'm somewhat less skinny now than I was then... Like you, my wife is aging more gracefully.
Put some Brownings up for sale, the stress will cause you to lose weight. Then you can replace them with old'm's favorite gun, the marlin X7 or whatever they are, least you could hit something with them.
I'm about ready too - got here @ 6:30 this morn, think that's enough of a day for a Wednsday. Home to the war zone, betcha there'll be a fight going over something! G'night ya'll
I've wanted to participate in this thread for a while now. I've been trying to come up with someone none of you have posted already or possibly even heard of. I decided to try and see if any of you have ever seen Maryeva Oliveira before. She's a pretty famous Brazilian model. Ever heard of her?
You'll need a search engine to find the Google logo on the web portal's homepage Thursday morning.
Instead, Web surfers woke up to find the search engine's name officially changed to "Topeka" - at least for one day.
The change is purportedly a return gesture to Topeka, Kanasas, whose mayor unofficially renamed the city "Google, Kansas," for the month of March in an effort to land a spot on Google's "Fiber for Communities" program. The initiative, launched this year by Google, promises to install new broadband cables in random communities around the United States.
I've tried selling mine for years on the 24hr classifieds, even went with the special layaway plan. started nagging I'd probably just shoot myself, just the one wife and two kids have almost had me there a few times.
I've tried selling mine for years on the 24hr classifieds, even went with the special layaway plan. started nagging I'd probably just shoot myself, just the one wife and two kids have almost had me there a few times.
beside the point, but that didn't come out of a Hustler did it? Of course I wouldn't know about nothing like that, but somebody told me the artwork looked kinda familiar. Said that guy favored some dude named Chester?
I've tried selling mine for years on the 24hr classifieds, even went with the special layaway plan. started nagging I'd probably just shoot myself, just the one wife and two kids have almost had me there a few times.
Fixed it for ya !
I LIKE that....
maddog
Paul.
Don't know man, it was emailed to me along with a heap of other sexist stuff like .........
Cameron is fair hot. I'll always remember the scene where she shot the apple off the top of a guy's head. Wish she'd do that to me so's I could say "Hey, Cameron Diaz is a chitt-hot sniper wench and shot an apple off my head."
She's not as hot as this one. Thanks for that. I invented adolescence.
Hyper critical? I said there was still a few good miles left on her. Besides, you know what they say; The post rots out long before the post hole goes bad.
Well, my point about "drinkin' buddy" was later on you won't give a hoot about mileage and she looks like a catalyst for a wild night.
I wouldn't let her handcuff me though.
I'm already at the point where mileage doesn't matter. I could point out that some things don't wear out either. Within reason. I think I already said that though and the Grand Poobah got mad at me.
As far as a catalyst goes, my standards are fairly low. It dosen't take much at all for a wild night. She definitely qualifies for that job.
I'm already at the point where mileage doesn't matter. I could point out that some things don't wear out either. Within reason. I think I already said that though and the Grand Poobah got mad at me.
fish head
If I got mad at you its because that maybe some things don't wear out on YOU .......
I'm already at the point where mileage doesn't matter. I could point out that some things don't wear out either. Within reason. I think I already said that though and the Grand Poobah got mad at me.
fish head
If I got mad at you its because that maybe some things don't wear out on YOU ....... I'm just jealous.......
1st Episode of Married with Children IIRC..Kelly is sitting on the couch and brother Bud pops up from behind with some kind of weapon yelling " Die Commie Bimbo!!!!" like any good brother would.....
We thought Lee had kidnapped ya. Glad you made it back! You got a lot of catchin' up to do fella.
Actually, I was on a mission (Top Secret) with Oldman42 and Lee24.
I cannot tell you very much, but it involved Machine Gun Linked ammo--the most accurate 308 ammunition ever produced--KettelBells, a run down into the Grand Canyon, and a short swim across the Mississippi. . . . . .
Juliette Lewis is a skank. Good actress, but still a skank.
BMT,
Good to see you back. I was recently at the Grand Canyon myself. I do this mini marathon/biathlon/triathlon combo quite frequently. I hop on my road bicylce, a short peddle to the Canyon from my house, run to the bottom, swim the river, run up the other side, set up a taget, back across, do a little long range taget practice (iron sights only) (of course) pick up my target and back home for dinner. If you caught a blurr out the corner of your eye it was probably me.
I usually grab a fish or two for dinner in the river also.
Yea I need to get me one of those I am also waiting for the .222 that was my grandfathers, my uncle has it now, my son was born on 2/22. I think it would be a great gift for him!
Everyone has been so nice lately..I missed the occasional shot....
ingwe
Let's see... I bean... doing some hiking and bass fishing and range time over the weekend.... multiple b-day dinner celebration... just stuff... but back to being turdlike now, thank you!
And I'm about to be un-turdlike, and go on Gopher safari for a couple days, starting in the morning
Looking for a high body count!!!
ingwe
Just remember... you can't shoot any undocumented gophers or illegal gophers or gophers whose visas have expired. And you can't engage in any racial gopher profiling. And any apprehended terrorist gophers must be read their rights and afforded a civilian trial.
Oh, why do I bother? John Moses says the gophers will just kick your azz and take your rifle, anyway.
That one's kinda rough, DD, I mean, c'mon, a Glock? Eccchhhh. Oh, and the broad's kinda butch, too. You can do better, I can still see "Porch Girl" in my head.
Well, if you were a Spartan Queen you'd have a rough edge or two as well. I guess. Anyway, I was tryin' to tell TLee we was gonna sic her on him for postin' that pic. My eyes still hurt from that.
Ahh, bellybutton rings, what a turn on. Did you know the arabs use to install bellybutton rings on all the concubine's in thier harems back in day? I was told it was a great place to hang an air-freshener.
Thought I would check it and make sure everything was still rolling along in here. With everyone fixated on the shooting innocent civilians that are carrying RPG's I thought that we might forget about this thread.
That one's kinda rough, DD, I mean, c'mon, a Glock? Eccchhhh. Oh, and the broad's kinda butch, too. You can do better, I can still see "Porch Girl" in my head.
IMO cleavage is just fat or silicone with a nipple attached
And this would be a problem.... how?
Gennulmen... y'all have done yeoman work here during my late absence shooting carbines under the tutelage of a dum-[bleep] allegedly "nationally-acclaimed" instructor who don't know push-pull from follow-through. Thank goodness the turdlike members of this forum are at least conversant in what matters.
IMO cleavage is just fat or silicone with a nipple attached
And this would be a problem.... how?
Gennulmen... y'all have done yeoman work here during my late absence shooting carbines under the tutelage of a dum-[bleep] allegedly "nationally-acclaimed" instructor who don't know push-pull from follow-through. Thank goodness the turdlike members of this forum are at least conversant in what matters.
Well, that gal on the bottom is sure 'nuff a pretty sight for old eyes and an 18 year old brain, but I got to looking at them side by.....yep...predators both.
Okay now for your viewing pleasure! "Chick with Sniper Rifle"!!!!
Wifey at French Indochina War reenactment, Febuary 09. (And yes we have guys who do Viet Minh and they are GOOD!) She's receiving instructions before deployment! She's pretty good at what she does!
Don't know, it looks like an airbrushed photo. Did they have airbrushes in the 50's? Either way, it looks like a "touched up" portrait. We have a couple of family member portraits from that era done up like that, unfortunately, no one in my family looked that good.
Look! theres a Slavic looking woman in my trout stream!!
Ingwe
Scary... that looks like my little sister... right down to the high-end grip she takes with her left hand on the cork grip... better make a phone call pronto...
'cuz I can HONESTLY and EASILY touch my nose with my tongue!! Needless to say, lotsa gurls find that mighty intrigueing!! Amazing what an icebreaker that is
What is this lady's name, I cant place her.. I tell ya what, she really curls my toes..
Danielle Lloyd Date of birth 16 December 1983 (1983-12-16) (age 26) Place of birth Liverpool, England Height 5 ft 8.5 in (1.74 m) Hair colour Dark Brown Eye colour Hazel Measurements 32E-25-34 (UK) Dress size 8 (UK) Shoe size 7.5 (UK) Agency Impact Models
Danielle Lloyd (born 16 December 1983) is an English glamour model. The former Miss England 2004 and Miss Great Britain 2006 first rose to prominence when she was stripped of her Miss Great Britain 2006 title after posing for nude pictures featured in the December 2006 edition of Playboy magazine and her alleged affair with one of the pageant's judges, her then-boyfriend, footballer Teddy Sheringham.
As a participant in the 2007 series of Celebrity Big Brother, Lloyd, along with others, were accused of using bullying tactics and making racist comments directed against the Indian actress Shilpa Shetty.[1] She won the celebrity edition of Total Wipeout in 2010. .
lol actually my mom doesnt have one either, she had surgery when she was a lil kid and it was done through her belly button and when they stitched her up it left her with out one......one of my uncles has won many bar bets that his lil sis didnt have one
Okay, guys, this is an emergency... Ingwe is gonna be pulling back on Innanet time to train his new wounded warrior pooch... this means that the rest of us are gonna hafta pick up the slack to keep this thread alive!
I realize I have not posted many pix at all to date, so I'm not one to be pointin' fingers... but I'm just sayin'...
Okay, guys, this is an emergency... Ingwe is gonna be pulling back on Innanet time to train his new wounded warrior pooch... this means that the rest of us are gonna hafta pick up the slack to keep this thread alive!
I realize I have not posted many pix at all to date, so I'm not one to be pointin' fingers... but I'm just sayin'...
Thanks Doc, there will be a gradual passing of the torch...but I gotta see this thing through to 1000 pages!!
Okay, guys, this is an emergency... Ingwe is gonna be pulling back on Innanet time to train his new wounded warrior pooch... this means that the rest of us are gonna hafta pick up the slack to keep this thread alive!
I realize I have not posted many pix at all to date, so I'm not one to be pointin' fingers... but I'm just sayin'...
Thanks Doc, there will be a gradual passing of the torch...but I gotta see this thing through to 10000 pages!!
This thread does seem to have a life of its own...but I wonder how long it will be till the innanet runs out of girly pics, fish pics, girly fish pics, and girls with gun pics....
Ah. There we are. Rifle-related, anyway. I'm determined to search diligently through this thread to actually find somthing related to the title, no matter what.
DISNEYLAND Two blondes were going to Disneyland . They were driving on the Interstate when they saw the sign that said Disneyland LEFT. They started crying and turned around and went home.
FLORIDA OR MOON Two blondes living in Oklahoma were sitting on a bench talking, and one blonde says to the other, 'Which do you think is farther away... Florida or the moon?' The other blonde turns and says 'Helloooooooooo, can you see Florida ?????' CAR TROUBLE A blonde pushes her BMW into a gas station. She tells the mechanic it died. After he works on it for a few minutes, it is idling smoothly. She says, 'What's the story?' He replies, 'Just crap in the carburetor' She asks, 'How often do I have to do that?' SPEEDING TICKET A police officer stops a blonde for speeding and asks her very nicely if he could see her license. She replied in a huff, 'I wish you guys would get your act together. Just yesterday you take away my license and then today you expect me to show it to you!' RIVER WALK There's this blonde out for a walk. She comes to a river and sees another blonde on the opposite bank 'Yoo-hoo!' she shouts, 'How can I get to the other side?' The second blonde looks up the river then down the river and shouts back, 'You ARE on the other side.' AT THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE A gorgeous young redhead goes into the doctor's office and said that her body hurt wherever she touched it. 'Impossible!' says the doctor.. 'Show me.' The redhead took her finger, pushed on her left shoulder and screamed, then she pushed her elbow and screamed even more. She pushed her knee and screamed; likewise she pushed her ankle and screamed. Everywhere she touched made her scream. The doctor said, 'You're not really a redhead, are you? 'Well, no' she said, 'I'm actually a blonde.' 'I thought so,' the doctor said, 'Your finger is broken.' KNITTING
A highway patrolman pulled alongside a speeding car on the freeway. Glancing at the car, he was astounded to see that the blonde behind the wheel was knitting! Realizing that she was oblivious to his flashing lights and siren, the trooper cranked down his window, turned on his bullhorn and yelled, 'PULL OVER!' 'NO!' the blonde yelled back, 'IT'S A SCARF!' BLONDE ON THE SUN A Russian, an American, and a Blonde were talking one day. The Russian said, 'We were the first in space!' The American said, 'We were the first on the moon!' The Blonde said, 'So what? We're going to be the first on the sun!' The Russian and the American looked at each other and shook their heads. 'You can't land on the sun, you idiot! You'll burn up!' said the Russian. To which the Blonde replied, 'We're not stupid, you know. We're going at night!' IN A VACUUM A blonde was playing Trivial Pursuit one night... It was her turn. She rolled the dice and she landed on Science & Nature. Her question was, 'If you are in a vacuum and someone calls your name, can you hear it?' She thought for a time and then asked, 'Is it on or off?' FINALLY, THE BLONDE JOKE TO END ALL BLONDE JOKES! A girl was visiting her blonde friend, who had acquired two new dogs, and asked her what their names were. The blonde responded by saying that one was named Rolex and one was named Timex. Her friend said, 'Whoever heard of someone naming dogs like that?' 'HELLLOOOOOOO......,' answered the blonde. 'They're watch dogs'!
Dude...its 2 in the AM here....don't know if you saw it, but Im training a pup as a Service Dog for a donation for the Wounded Warrior Project... the pup is 8 weeks old...guess why I'm up...
My Warrior...in Iraq a few years ago.. the guy on the left...
Yeah man, I did get to read that thread! Good ol Chesty Puller! Those pictures make the most combat hardened of us turn to complete mush.
I love the Wounded Warrior program! I've stopped many of my contributions to other charities to funnel more towards them. I just haven't found a cause I can get behind more than that.
That Marine believed in dying for us, using what skills we have to make his life at least a little easier, is about the most noble thing a fella can do. From a man with his boots on the ground, I thank you sir!
I just wish I had your skills! Both the dog training, and the google-fu pic posting. You're hardcore man, hardcore....
Huntsman, yes, a fair question, after the initial anger !!
We live 20 miles out of town, on a dead end street, which has 6 houses in total on it. It is all rural acreage & we do not see much traffic, other than neighbours !!
There are 12 dogs that live on our street & if you had asked me yesterday, I would have told you that Bella was one of only 2, that didn't chase cars.
Had a good friend back in Australia that had a "tripod", so I know once we get through the next couple of weeks & then the surgery, that she will be fine.
It never ceases to amaze me the emotional attachment we, as humans, develop to our pets. Bella surely is one of our family. My wife, daughter, son & I were deeply upset by this accident.
I just wish "the guy in the red truck" had stopped to help, not leave Bella in the street, in front of our driveway for my 13 year old son to deal with.
I went through 50 pages trying to figure out what this thread has to do with military snipers, and then I forgot why I was going through this thread. And somehow I'm still compelled to keep looking through the other 850 pages.
I wonder how long those chippies would dress like that, if a hot piece of brass landed on their bosoms?? Next time you saw them, they'd be dressed like Eskimos.............
We have a trip-pod too. Our lab mix tore her ACL chasing whatever it was she was after, rabbits or squirrels. It's slowly getting better.
That dog pizzes me off like no other sometimes, but you're right, they become part of the family and it sucks to see when they're hurting.
I was more concerned that it was cancer or something else, before we brought her to the doc. She's 10 years old now, so I know she won't be with us a whole lot longer.
Could we get a little dose of tawdry in here? Maybe some naughty girls who need to be spanked? Class is good and all but sheesh, no need to over do it. Bob
Could we get a little dose of tawdry in here? Maybe some naughty girls who need to be spanked? Class is good and all but sheesh, no need to over do it. Bob
Could we get a little dose of tawdry in here? Maybe some naughty girls who need to be spanked? Class is good and all but sheesh, no need to over do it. Bob
Like her???
That is a beautiful disaster waiting to happen to any man. A woman that fine looking is nothing but trouble.
Actually, I think that's a laminate. I've done that color before (I laminate countertops for a living). Formica has beaucoup laminates that "look like" granite. We sell laminates, solid surface, granite and synthetic stone.............
I think that broad is pretty skanky, to be honest about it. Nice knockers though..........
Yep, something about bumps with hardware run through them that gets my inner mechanic all hot!
You see, this is kinda on topic for this thread, 'cause if you pull on any of that hardware at the right time, I'm guessing she'll go off like a grenade !!
For those of us that like "more cushin for the pushin", here's a first draft pick fat chick. Yeah I know they are like riding scooters, lots of fun until your friends see you riding one, but I'll "fess up" I like the fuller figure ones...jorge
Do you think that Lee24 (the original poster) ever realized what a service he's done for us! I've never seen so many beautiful young ladies in one place!
Thanks for the class Ingwe...I...uh...I'm not into hams I guess. Spent too much time in Miami maybe. Long, lean and flowing curves, eyes and smiles for me, not the complex rhomboid & heptagon confusion. Maybe I mean "rhumpboid"?
Noticed that too. Not that I don't like the female form, but I quickly skip right over the straight T&A shots, especially the cell phone quality pics.
But I definitely linger over a portrait of a beautiful woman (particularly if they have a great smile )or a high quality pic of something other than the usual "ooohhh, f--- me!" look.
Take note that these "curvy" gals that have the big natural tatas and broad hips for the exaggerated hourglass figure are most likely ticket holders on the express train from "Brick House" to "Lard Coliseum".
Ingwe, we need two or five more pics of your assista......uhhh, your pup being held by your assistant with frontal views....uhhh, of the assistant, that is.
OK dudes....in an effort to wake you up on a Sunday morning, I'll have to "think outside the box" and post something with alot more skin than is my usuial tastes.. But it is "artsy" and not tawdry..
Ingwe, while there's a lull in the action I thought I'd ask a question that popped into my noggin' about this thread and its goal.
Has there been any discussion on who will make the post that pushes this thread to it's 1,000th page? Who will receive that honor? And what/who will that post/she be?
OK dudes....in an effort to wake you up on a Sunday morning, I'll have to "think outside the box" and post something with alot more skin than is my usuial tastes.. But it is "artsy" and not tawdry..
Classy.....enjoy..
Ingwe
My, oh my. Very, very, very nice.
(Just checked the picture's properties and realized it is Miss Whelan. Makes a fellow want to emigrate to Australia. )
On topic, indeed. Reminds me of a gal that shoots sporting clays with us. Single, in the top ten as far as sporting shooters at the club, has her own hunting dogs..... Like this lady, believe me when I say she has no shortage of suitors! LOL Dutch.
When this thread dies and all the pictures get deleted from PB. Someone will go back and look at this and say WTF was going on here when they see a lot of PB deleted boxes.
She looks EXACTLY like the girl/woman I dated in HS (literally, my first love). Crazy as a schithouse rat, and I got in far more trouble of various degrees with/over/about her than ANYONE should...
For Liar, without him none of this would be possible
Originally Posted by Lee24
I posted this in the thread, "US military sniper ammunition", not to divert it, but to continue a previous post about the .30-06 ammunition and how the .30-06 diameter machine gun ammunition as the original "sniper" ammunition for the 1903A3 rifles, and later, how the M-60 machine gun ammunition became the first long-range match and sniper ammunition for the .308 bolt action rifles used in Vietnam.
------------ Remington built some heavy barrel bolt action rifles for the Army in the late 1960s, but most of the sniper rifles in Vietnam were the heavy M-14 or M-21. The Army used bolt action rifles for match shooting all during this time, and some of these configuration were used in combat. Remington did not catalog a varmint model back then.
The Marine Corps asked Remington to build them a bolt action rifle in 1965 to replace the Winchester Model 70 target rifles with Unertl scopes they were using in combat, chambered in .30-06. In 1966, Remington began delivering the M40, a short action Model 700 in 7.62x51mm NATO, with a 24-inch chrome moly barrel, 1:10 twist, Parkerized, with a heavy walnut stock similar to the Bishop stock being used on the 1903A3 target rifles. Empty weight was 9 pounds 5 ounces. It had no provision for iron sights, had Redfield JR one-piece base with dual dovetail rings, and Redfield scope.
These rifles had trued, squared actions and lapped bolt lugs. I guess these were produced in the Custom Shop, but never asked. Today, there is a separate Military Shop, but I do not know how long it has been separate.
After Vietnam, the USMC began buying the actions from Remington and building their own M40s.
The Army did not create a model until 1988, ordering a similar rifle to the M40, but using a long action and walnut stock. They used the long action in order to accomodate the .30-06 and .300 Win Mag cartridges. Most were drilled and tapped for Redfield target sight mounting dovetail blocks, just like the other target rifles at the AMU. Shortly thereafter, they switched from a glass-bedded walnut stock to a synthetic stock, like their varmint, target, PSS, and Sendero stocks are today. Some stocks later had an adjustable buttplate and cheekpiece (like the McMillan fiberglass ones).
Remington built a few replicas of the walnut-stocked M40 and M24 for sale to the public in 2008, for about $1,695.00, about $1,200.00 wholesale very reasonable.
I have some photos of all these. Some are not mine, and are not of me, but of US Army and USMC snipers, many in black and white. I would have to scan them, but I can probably get permission to post them, maybe this weekend. Have to work now.
----- 1903A4 rifles -----------------
At the early part of the Vietnam War, 1903A4 Springfield sniper rifles with the M84
telescopic sights were used, same as in the Korean War. There were not enough of
these, which is why you see photos of snipers and sharpshooters with Model 70
Winchester and Remington 700 ADL sporting rifles, usually in .30-06. The 1903A4 rifle
continued to be used into the 1970s.
The training manual is FM 23-10. The technical manual is TM 9-270, dated September 1943. The last revision of the TM 9-270 is Tm 9-1270, dated December 1970.
----- photos added -------------------
Chu Lai 1967 1966 Model 70 Winchester. Many used were .30-06. SPC4 Harry M. Mellett Company A 1st Battalion 327th Infantry US Army
photo by Army Combat Photographer SPC1 Ben Croxton, courtesy of The Army Times.
My 1903A3 in .30-06 with Bishop stock, receiver milled and tapped for Redfield one-piece base, built 1965. Black anodized aluminum buttplate.
The same Bishop stock (or copied from the Bishop stock above) on a Remington Model 700 with heavy match barrel, as built in 1966 for the US Marine Corps and US Army snipers in Vietnam, short action in 7.62x51mm NATO.
2008 Remington Model 700 short action reproduction of 1968 Vietnam sniper rifles with wood stock.
2009 Remington US Army M-24 built on 700 long action in 7.62x51mm NATO with Leupold Mk4 10X LRT. All the current M-24s have been on long actions to accommodate the .300 Winchester Magnum, which is now being currently ordered, both rifle from Remington and ammunition from Federal. See my post in the other thread for details of the orders.
Okay!!!!!! we made it to 1000 pages... This may ( may... ) be my last post on this thread..gonna let it die..but for my last ( maybe..) pic posted..I'm putting up one that have been a big fave..for obvious reasons....
Okay!!!!!! we made it to 1000 pages... This may ( may... ) be my last post on this thread..gonna let it die..but for my last ( maybe..) pic posted..I'm putting up one that have been a big fave..for obvious reasons....
Okay!!!!!! we made it to 1000 pages... This may ( may... ) be my last post on this thread..gonna let it die..but for my last ( maybe..) pic posted..I'm putting up one that have been a big fave..for obvious reasons....
Gentlemen..thanks to all!!!
Ingwe
Ingwe and all You guys rock... a couple more posts for 10,000... here's my favorite video again.
This looks just like a teacher I had in middle school and try as I may I cannot find her attractive. She once pinched me so hard on the back of the arm it left a bruise and hurt like crazy, not saying I didn't deserve it though, but I don't remember now what I did to piss her off so!
Okay!!!!!! we made it to 1000 pages... This may ( may... ) be my last post on this thread..gonna let it die..but for my last ( maybe..) pic posted..I'm putting up one that have been a big fave..for obvious reasons....
Poor girl can't even stand up straight with those bazooms hangin' off her like that. I'd carry 'em for her, though, 'cause I'm a thoughtful kinda guy, adn all that there.
I'm too old...I'll sleep like a rock, and prolly dream about fishing or something mundane....
Ingwe
Yur defeatism sucks....
The alternative is roll all nite with petrified wood, try to poke the old lady (SHE'LL BE PISSED) and roll around with a case of the 13 year old's insomnia....
You have been bestowed a grand gift, but fantabulous junk will get a pretty girl a whole lot more than that........maybe her photo on this illustrious thread, if'n she's lucky.
A little something, re-posted, to wake you dudes up..
Ingwe
This is a great photo. The lighting and more natural skin tones really enliven this and make it stand out from the usual plastic doll pics.
You can just picture her, rising up in bed in the early morning, the sun peeking in through the window to light her face as she reminisces about the night before. You look up and smile at her...
Uh, yeah, that's too sensitive. What I mean to say is, "Hey, nice boobs!". Yeah, that's more manly.
This is a great photo. The natural lighting and skin tones really enliven this.
You can just picture her, rising up in bed in the early morning, the sun peeking in through the window to light her face as she reminisces about the night before. You look up and smile at her...
Uh, yeah, that's too sensitive. What I mean to say is, "Hey, nice boobs!". Yeah, that's more manly.
Whew! Thought we was gonna have to revoke yer man-card fer a second there...
This is a great photo. The natural lighting and skin tones really enliven this.
You can just picture her, rising up in bed in the early morning, the sun peeking in through the window to light her face as she reminisces about the night before. You look up and smile at her...
Uh, yeah, that's too sensitive. What I mean to say is, "Hey, nice boobs!". Yeah, that's more manly.
Whew! Thought we was gonna have to revoke yer man-card fer a second there...
I looked at the picture and just drooled for a little bit. Had to wipe off the keyboard.
This is a great photo. The natural lighting and skin tones really enliven this.
You can just picture her, rising up in bed in the early morning, the sun peeking in through the window to light her face as she reminisces about the night before. You look up and smile at her...
Uh, yeah, that's too sensitive. What I mean to say is, "Hey, nice boobs!". Yeah, that's more manly.
Whew! Thought we was gonna have to revoke yer man-card fer a second there...
Doooood! The guy waxes a little romantic about a classy tasteful pic of an incomparable woman, and you go Neanderthal on him!!
Get in touch with your sensitive side!
Don't catch the gay or anything....but....but.....Oh, nevermind.....
I'm just checking out the pics as "art" anyway.......
I listen to ol'timey country to whatever has a good beat now days, my wife likes to show me the odd videos she finds and this is odd but surprisingly interesting and lady gaga is one of my daughters favorites. She is good and artistic in that everything from the music to her costumes and characters are all her... can't dance worth a crap but can't have everything.
Aguilera has come a long ways from a teeny bopper and looks to cash in on the gaga rage... she can dance though.
Don't look ingwe, it'll give you a 15 year olds dream tonight...
1. hit Switch to full screen reply. 2. click on the icon that looks like a blue tv screen 3. a drop down list will show and pick youtube 4. paste the link in the space
I preview to make sure I did it right, then hit submit
Dayam, she's a twin, damnere, to my financial "advisor" at the bank. Could be her little sister, no shinola............... And yes, I go to the bank for any little pretext I can think of.
I've been wondering if the SEALS still used the enhanced M-14 w/Nightforce as a military sniper rifle...Oh, wait. My bad. Didn't mean to hijack the thread.
If the 1/2 of it is having something crammed in yur own can, I'd pass....
Under those circumstances, not remember wouldn't be a bad thing. 'Course even at my age (younger than you) I think a weekend partying with her may end up with an obit having to be writ...
The M24 Sniper Weapon System (SWS) is the military and police version of the Remington 700 rifle, M24 being the model name assigned by the United States Army after adoption as their standard sniper rifle in 1988. It is also used by the Israeli Defence Forces. The M24 is referred to as a "weapons system" because it consists of not only a rifle, but also a detachable telescopic sight and other accessories.
The M24 was designed to use the "long-action" version of the Remington M700 BDL. This was chosen because the designers originally wished to use the powerful but militarily obsolete .30-06 Springfield (7.62x63mm) cartridge, as it was still in procurement channels. This was later replaced with the shorter 7.62x51mm NATO-standard cartridge. The action in the original model reportedly caused feeding problems if the 7.62mm ammunition wasn't seated firmly towards the back of the internal magazine.
It originally came tapped for the Leupold Ultra M3 10x40mm fixed-power scope, which came with a circle-shaped etched-glass reticle. This was later replaced in 1998 by the cheaper Leupold Mk.4 LR/T M3 10x40mm front-focal fixed-power scope with a mil-dot reticle.[3] N.B.: The first number is the scope's magnification (10) and the second number in millimeters (40mm) is the diameter of the objective lens. A fixed power scope has only one magnification (e.g., 10x) and a variable power scope can be adjusted to focus between a range of magnifications (e.g., 3-9x is adjustable from a minimum power of 3x to a maximum power of 9x).
It comes with a detachable Harris 6-9" BRM-S swivel bipod unit.
The M24 SWS is to be replaced with the M110 Semi-Automatic Sniper System, a contract awarded to Knight's Armament Company. However, the Army still plans on acquiring M24s from Remington until February 2010.[4]
Having just reviewed this thread I have concluded there must be an endless supply and variety of women out there trying to foment riots and cause divorce. Would like to offer my services to provide personal counsel to them all, discounts offered to sniper chicks, eyes and smiles. Oh yea, sweaters too.
Is sad all the decisions men have to make when confronted with such onslaughts. Sadder still men are so naive, gullible and idealistic. They are mostly unarmed...short attention spans will be the death of ye boys!
There's way too much fake in a lot of these ta-tas. I can see a gal having a boost but it seems like most are ridiculous.
Have to agree with you there, mathman!
A doctor friend of mine says the best (and most expensive!) boob jobs that leave you wondering if the woman had anything done or not. Not much doubt about many of these... although I would be happy to volunteer my services sorting them out.
There's way too much fake in a lot of these ta-tas. I can see a gal having a boost but it seems like most are ridiculous.
Have to agree with you there, mathman!
A doctor friend of mine says the best (and most expensive!) boob jobs that leave you wondering if the woman had anything done or not. Not much doubt about many of these... although I would be happy to volunteer my services sorting them out.
John
These are absolutely the real deal:
If you doubt me, just go to her website and look at the video....jorge
There's way too much fake in a lot of these ta-tas. I can see a gal having a boost but it seems like most are ridiculous.
Have to agree with you there, mathman!
A doctor friend of mine says the best (and most expensive!) boob jobs that leave you wondering if the woman had anything done or not. Not much doubt about many of these... although I would be happy to volunteer my services sorting them out.
John
These are absolutely the real deal:
If you doubt me, just go to her website and look at the video....jorge
Well, OK, I will check out her website, but only to make you happy you understand...
There's way too much fake in a lot of these ta-tas. I can see a gal having a boost but it seems like most are ridiculous.
Have to agree with you there, mathman!
A doctor friend of mine says the best (and most expensive!) boob jobs that leave you wondering if the woman had anything done or not. Not much doubt about many of these... although I would be happy to volunteer my services sorting them out.
John
These are absolutely the real deal:
If you doubt me, just go to her website and look at the video....jorge
Just wait till she hits 30....she will be as big as a dump truck. Glad she makes some of you guy's propeller spin...not mine.
I'd still climb her like a squirrel. Nothing wrong with a woman who doesn't have to run around in the shower to get wet.
Absolutely! jorge
Ha! Not hardly.....I'm just very lucky JWP....I'd put mine up against any I have seen on this thread. Well, except for that girl on page...aw hell...what page was she on?
Not finding her hot, makes me afraid you have a seriuos man fetis.... Just sayin
What happened in West Berlin stays in West Berlin.
Ya know, after posting this I thought to myself, "uh oh, I wonder if that really is a girl?"
Due diligence: I found that picture by googling "athletic girls". The caption on the picture says "athletic girl". Here's a pic right above it on the same webpage:
So if the high jumper isn't a girl, den I wuz robbed!!
The main purpose of the sniper rifle is to destroy valuable targets at extended ranges with aimed fire, and with as few ammunition as possible. In most cases, "the target" means the human being (enemy soldier, armed criminal, terrorist, president etc.), and the "as few ammunition as possible" often means "one shot". The range for sniper fire may vary from 100 meters or even less in police/counter-terror scenarios, or up to 1 kilometer or more - in military or special operations scenarios. Some sniper rifles, mostly - large caliber ones, used also as anti-material weapons, to destroy, or, more often, render unusable or unoperable, targets such as radar cabins, jeeps, parked aircrafts etc.
History of sharp-shooting traces its ancestry well back into XIX or even into XVIII centuries. Early sniper rifles were standart issue army rifles, selected for accuracy, or privately purchased commercial target or hunting rifles. During WW I and WW II both sides used a lot of general issue bolt action rifles (such a Russian/Soviet Mosin M1991/30, US M1903A4, British SMLE No.4(t), German G98k etc.) fitted with some kind of telescopic sight. Some of general issued semi-auto rifles also were used in sniper role, such as Soviet SVT-40 and US M1 Garand.
The practice of developing the military sniper rifles from standart issue firearms is still used in many countries. Ususally, manufacturer or special military unit select some rifles for their better-than-average accuracy, then adopt these rifles for sniper role (i.e. convert them from select-fire into semi-autos, add ajustable stocks, bipods, scope mounts etc.). Many of military sniper rifles, discontinued in service or currently in use, such as US M21, German G3-ZF and G3-SG/1, were made that way.
Some sniper weapons were made for marksmen use from the scratch, because the clients wanted some special characteristics, that were unavailable in any service or commercial weapons. One such example - Soviet SVD Dragunov rifle. It was designed on Soviet Army request as a lightweight, powerful and reliable semi-auto rifle, and remains in service for almost 40 years.
But wast majority of sniper rifles, especially - police ones, were designed on existing commercially available hunting or sporting rifles. The best examples - the US military sniper rifles M24 and M40, along with many custom police rifles, were (and still are) built on Remington 700 actions, available for general public in many hunting and target rifles. Famous SIG-Sauer sniper ifles also buil on their (SIG or Sauer) hunting rifles. Some sniper rifles, mostly also police ones, designed on target/sporting rifles. To name few: Blaser R93 Tactical (Germany), Sv-98 and MC-116 (Russia).
In general, all sniper rifles may be rougly separated into 3 major categories: Miltary sniper rifles, Police/Law Enforcement tactical/sniper rifles, and Special purpose sniper rifles.
Military sniper rifles used by different military units. Along with main requirements for accuracy and sufficient effective range, military use commands some other: military sniper rifle must not be too heavy, because sniper usually must carry it for the long hours, with ammunition and other stuff. Also, military sniper rifle must be extremely reliable in any weather and climatic conditions and could withstand hundreds of rounds fired without cleaning and maintenance and without any loss of accuracy. Third, military sniper rifle must be easy to fieldstrip and easy to repair in field conditions. Also, military sniper rifle often must have backup iron sights, in case of telescope breackage. Another requrement is that military sniper rifle must use military ammunition, conforming to international war threaties and generally available to the troops. In most cases, military sniper rifle use variants of the standart caliber army cartridges (such as 7.62mm NATO or 7.62x54mm R), specially developed for sniping. Effective range for the standart-caliber sniper rifles against the single human-sized target may be estimated as 700-800 meters for first-shot kills. To extend effective range beyond 1000 meters, often used sniper rifles, designed to fire more powerful ammunition, such as .300 Winchester magnum (7.62x67mm) or .338 Lapua magnum (8.6x70mm). Military sniper rifles may be further separated in two tactically diffrent categories: the sniper rifles itself, designed to achieve aimed hits at long distances, and the Designated Marksman Rifles (DMR), designed to provide accurate fire support for line troops. While the "true" sniper rifles usually are bolt action ones, to achieve maximum accuracy, the DMRs usually are semi-autos, such as Russian SVD or German G3ZF or MSG-90, to gain higher rate of fire. But the difference lays more in tactical applianses, than in the rifles itself.
Police / Law Enforcement (LE) sniper rifles are somewhat another kind of tools. If in most military/war scenarios wounded enemy is equivalent to killed enemy, or even better, in LE and counter-terror (CT) scenarios wounded criminal or terrorist may lead to many innocent wictims. Sometimes, the LE or CT sniper must not only kill the terrorist, but hit the particular part of the body - head, or hand, holding the gun, etc. So, in general, LE and CT sniper rifles require more accuracy, but at shorter distances. The majority of LE or CT scenarios require precision shooting at the distances lesser that 300, or even 100 meters. These scenarios also require really few shots per scenario - sometimes one and the only one shot. This also require extreme accuracy and stability of results in any weather conditions. LE and CT snipers also has no limitations on caliber and ammunition selection, so they could select almost any caliber/cartridge they department want, or can afford. Usually, LE/CT sniper rifles had completely ajustable stocks to suit snipers of different statute, sometimes they got half-of-dozen ajustable screws. This is absolutely unsuitable for military sniper rifles, but for LE sniper rifles, which are usually carried to the point of action in special cases, this is OK. Many USA made LE sniper rifles are built on the hunting "varmint" rifles. Varmint rifles are small or medium caliber hunting rifles, designed to kill small pests, such as squirrels, rabbits etc., at extended distances. Some LE sniper rifles, such as Remington 700 Police, are simply Remington 700VS varmint hunting rifle barreled actions, bedded into sniper-style stocks. In Europe, some sniper rifles built on sniper rifles (such as Mauser 66, SIG-Sauer SSG2000, Blaser R93 Tactical), and some built on hunting rifles (such as Steyr Scout Tactical). LE/CT sniper rifles use many kinds of ammunition, from .22LR for training and short-range sniping, to .308 Win, 6.5x55mm, .300 Win magnum etc.
Special Purpose sniper rifles may be, in turn, splitted into 2 sub-categories: Large-caliber rifles for ulra-long range sniping and ani-material use, and silenced rifles for covert operations. Large caiber sniper rifles usually built to use heavy machineguns ammunition, such as .50BMG (12.7x99mm) or 12.7x108mm. Effective range of such rifles is up to 1500 meters and above, depending on size of target and quality of the ammunition. General purpose machinegun ammo usually produced not-too-good accuracy, but recently some special "sniper" rounds developed in .50BMG caliber. Silenced sniper rifles usually are used with special sub-sonic ammunition and removable or integral silencers to produce lower sound report. Sub-sonic ammo decreases effective range down to 300-400 meters, but it's worth. With the correct ammo and silencer, the sound of the gunshot could be easily mised completely at the distances of 100-200 meters at night, or even at 30-50 meters - in daily urban noize.
Sniper rifle Accuracy The most common way of describing the accuracy of the sniper rifle is to measure average diameter of the circle, that may be drawn arount the group of bullet holes in the target. Usually, the rifle is fired from the rest with groups of the 5 (or 3) rounds, and then every group is measured. Average group diameter is the most common criteria of rifle accuracy. Today, the thin line between "good" and "poor" accuracy is usually laid in 1MOA group. 1 MOA (Minute Of Angle) is measure of the angle, that formed with the triangle with muzzle as the top and the group as the base. 1 MOA is roughly equivalent to 1 inch group diameter at 100 yards (91 meter), or to 2 inches at 200 yards etc. So, if you read that rifle XXXX shooths 1MOA groups, it means that at 300 yards this rifle could place 5 or so bullets in circle of no more than 3 inches in diameter. Many modern sniper rifles, when loaded with right ammunition, could shoot 0.5MOA, or even 0.3MOA, which mean 1 inch groups at 300 yards, or 2 inch (50 millimeters!) groups at 600 yards (550 meters).
Am thinking regardless of the academic major, a serious Mrs. degree is in the works. Lord knows I'd not complain about being the Mr. in combo with that Mrs... Or, at least trying out for the same...
On the "age" thing, my last girlfriend who is one of my best frieds will turn 46 in a few months....and I'm 33. She is one of the loveliest women I've ever met or known.
Ingwe, either your wife has bad eyes or a lot of sympathy (joking). Great catch...although I'm sure this is old news to you.
Time for some wives so we can keep it real.....just a suggestion
No problem:
US military sniper rifles....... Jorge, somehow you being a former grunt it fits. The Viking Princess exudes claaaaaasssssssss!
transitive verb 1 : to cause to ooze or spread out in all directions (workable but not the best answer) 2 : to display conspicuously or abundantly <exudes charm> (DING,DING,DING, a winner)
Grand Poobah, You've been making real nice like lately. I sense a general lack of turdliness on the thread in the last week or so. Please bring in reinforcements to make sure our knowledge of military sniper rifles is not taken for granted.
Grand Poobah, You've been making real nice like lately. I sense a general lack of turdliness on the thread in the last week or so. Please bring in reinforcements to make sure our knowledge of military sniper rifles is not taken for granted.
I sincerely apologize for my lack of turdliness, I have been busy, as expected, with Chesty Puller. And, with very few noticeable exceptions your posts have been pretty classy...I can't even reprimand you guys for too much tawdriness. That being said I guess I'm overrdue for a "Good Morning Gentlemen" post....
Don't know that I'd advocate playing baseball with fingerless gloves, but "Put me in coach, I'm ready to play, today!" But, hey, it is baseball season!
I quit this thread about page 35 or so. Looked at the page count tonight and couldn't believe it was at 605. Noway can they still be ripping Lee24. Thanks guys, now I have to call in sick tomorrow to loo I mean read this whole thing.
Ingwe, you've got way too much time on your hands. You either (1) have a large harem to photograph, or (2) spend countless hours on the internet babe hunting!
In response Ingwe casts his gaze across the room and smiles; 4 of his harem spent and sleeping in various poses on leather furniture. The smell of pipe tobacco and brandy was muted, yet lingered still..... He thought of the rest and sighed, "A Poobah's work is never done....."
In response Ingwe casts his gaze across the room and smiles; 4 of his harem spent and sleeping in various poses on leather furniture. The smell of pipe tobacco and brandy was muted, yet lingered still..... He thought of the rest and sighed, "A Poobah's work is never done....."
In response Ingwe casts his gaze across the room and smiles; 4 of his harem spent and sleeping in various poses on leather furniture. The smell of pipe tobacco and brandy was muted, yet lingered still..... He thought of the rest and sighed, "A Poobah's work is never done....."
Here's a more recent pic of Le' Grande Poobah:
Yep...dat about wraps up a day in the life of a Grand Poobah....
As you can see, many Swedish babes are, in fact, quite horny.
John
Is it against the law to be ugly in that country???
Ingwe
At college I hung out with some Swedish foreign exchange students. Yes, they were all hot. Best looking one was a 6' brunette. And there was one student there from Hungary. She was so hot you could light a cigarette off of her.
Guys we seem to have gotten a little of topic here. Seems this thread was about some type of firearm, or arms,,, or fires,,,,, I forget,,,, but I like it
Guys we seem to have gotten a little of topic here. Seems this thread was about some type of firearm, or arms,,, or fires,,,,, I forget,,,, but I like it
Henry t
Not off-topic, just rehashing the beaver-tail forends that we remember so fondly.....
Guys we seem to have gotten a little of topic here. Seems this thread was about some type of firearm, or arms,,, or fires,,,,, I forget,,,, but I like it
Henry t
Not off-topic, just rehashing the beaver-tail forends that we remember so fondly.....
Did you mean to say:
"Not off-topic, just beaver-tail forends that we fondle so roundly?"
Nice, but I'm still suffering from infatuation from yesterday morning. It's amazing what a little makeup and a cute pair of panties can do to the male mind.
good to see this still going, you are great oh Poobah
to bad, i coulda put you all to shame with real life.....a friend over in the Missoula area has a gal living with him while she goes to college, originally she was living with him as a foreign exchange student going to the local high school and decided to stay and play basketball for the Griz so he said she could keep living there.....she is a knock out, unfortunately she was back in Slovakia visiting her parents while i was there this weekend....
Here is one for the folks who remember Princess Leia in the slave costume. Obviously not Carrie Fisher but a woman who fills out the costume a little better IMO.
Here is one for the folks who remember Princess Leia in the slave costume. Obviously not Carrie Fisher but a woman who fills out the costume a little better IMO.
Swear to Gawd, she's the twin of the woman at the bank who does my IRAs and market accounts............... if not her twin, her little sister...........
Too early..I'm tellin you...let me get some coffee....
Ingwe
I thought more of you guys would pick up on the fact that Jill Hennessy has a twin than that she is 42 years old... That is, I was assuming that you were as big a horndog as I...
Not only does she have great eyes (you still signed on, Ingwe?) but I think she has great legs too. What do you think?
Sorry if you have to scroll up and down... but them legs is long! (Right mouse click on each picture and then select "save image" to put the pictures on your hard disk so you can see the entire picture at once).
You obviously didn't see the episode of House where that chick begins her downward self-destructive spiral by having a ton of anonymous lesbian sex.
Yes I did. I just don't like her.
Is OK Jorge, I'll make up for your lack of synergy with her, assuming I get the opportunity. Wondering if she likes to hunt hogs.....better yet, maybe skin 'em out?
This is a story about a Fly, a Fish, a Bear, a Hunter, a Mouse and a Cat.
There is a moral to this story.....
In the dead of summer a fly was resting among leaves beside a stream.
The hot, dry fly said to no one in particular, 'Gosh...if I go down three inches I will feel the mist from the water and I will be refreshed.'
There was a fish in the water thinking, 'Gosh....if that fly goes down three inches, I can eat him.'
There was a bear on the shore thinking, 'Gosh...if that fly goes down three inches that fish will jump for the fly... and I will grab the fish!!'
It also happened that a hunter was farther up the bank of the lake preparing to eat a cheese sandwich.....
'Gosh,' he thought, 'if that fly goes down three inches... and that fish leaps for it... that bear will expose himself and grab for the fish. I'll shoot the bear and have a proper lunch.'
Now, you probably think this is enough activity on one river bank, but I can tell you there's more....
A wee mouse by the hunter's foot was thinking, 'Gosh, if that fly goes down three inches... And that fish jumps for that fly.. And that bear grabs for that fish... The dumb hunter will shoot the bear and drop his cheese sandwich.'
A cat lurking in the bushes took in this scene and thought,(as was fashionable to do on the banks of this particular river around lunch time)
'Gosh...if that fly goes down three inches... And that fish jumps for that fly... And that bear grabs for that fish... And that hunter shoots that bear... And that mouse makes off with the cheese sandwich... Then I can have mouse for lunch.'
The poor fly is finally so hot and so dry that he Heads down for the cooling mist of the water.
The fish swallows the fly...
The bear grabs the fish...
The hunter shoots the bear...
The mouse grabs the cheese sandwich...
The cat jumps for the mouse...
The mouse ducks...
The cat falls into the water and drowns.
NOW, The Moral Of The Story...
Whenever a fly goes down three inches, some puzzy's gonna be in serious danger.
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NOTHING WILL EVER BEAT THIS THREAD...!!! I JUST GOT BACK FROM WATCHING "BRIDGET the MIDGET",DANCER,PORN STAR at the local T&A bar....and I still look at all this... OUTSTANDING>>!!!
NOTHING WILL EVER BEAT THIS THREAD...!!! I JUST GOT BACK FROM WATCHING "BRIDGET the MIDGET",DANCER,PORN STAR at the local T&A bar....and I still look at all this... OUTSTANDING>>!!!
I'm guessing you'd hate talking with 70% of the women posted in this thread, but I don't believe any of 'em made the list for their intellect, wit, or conservative views.
Yes, very deep in thought------probably eyeing a gun rack, trying to decide if she should take her 28ga SxS, or her 20ga Montefeltro before heading out for a day of quail hunting.
Ashley J. is on the Board of Directors of Defenders of Wildlife. I saw their last issue is devoted to pushing back on ANY timber wolf management. According to them, every wolf is precious and should not be harmed.
I'm just guessing, by I'll bet most celebutards are recruited by those groups, knowing they can pitch some bogus "facts" and a heaping dose of emotional appeal, which will all be absorbed w/o any critical thinking. I really doubt any of Hollyweird's elite even knew we had woofs in the lower 48 before an activist told 'em.
Why celebrities get even a second glance, not to mention a public podium is beyond me. The only thing they excel at is pretending to be someone else-----------and memorizing the words and thoughts of others.
Celebrities have used their fame for all kinds of causes. It is certainly their right but it is also my right to boycott anything they do on the screen, which I do faithfully.
Yes, very deep in thought------probably eyeing a gun rack, trying to decide if she should take her 28ga SxS, or her 20ga Montefeltro before heading out for a day of quail hunting.
Oh come on doods, get a life. You need to go over to the ahhh, the, ahhhh, you know that forum where they, ahhhh try to trade stuff, errr, I mean sell or ahhhh try to contribute something, aahhhh useful about, errrr guns and stuff, ya know.
What? No that's OK, ahhh, yeah pizza's fine, yeah, one slice, errr.........
Image coutesy of Sergeant Major Pantano Caliber: 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Win.) Capacity: 20 or 5 round detachable box magazine Mechanism: Rotating bolt, gas operated, air cooled, semi-automatic magazine fed rifle Weight: 11.25 lbs (5.11kg) Length: 44.1" (112cm) Barrel: Match Grade 22 inches 1:10 RH twist Trigger Pull: Specially tuned 4 1/2 pound match two-stage military trigger Sight: Redfield/Leatherwood 3-9x Automatic Ranging Telescope (ART) Max Effective Range: 900 yards (822m)
The M21 is esentially a modified M14 National Match rifle. The earlier versions (XM21) had a specially selected walnut stock, but this changed with the M21 to a fiberglass stock, often camoflaged. The XM21 began to be fielded in the second half of 1969 and remained the U.S. Army's primary Sniper Weapon System until it began to be replaced by the M24 SWS in 1988. Some National Guard units and even a few active duty units (The OPFOR at JRTC for example) still use the M21. The M21 is a very pratical sniper weapon maintaining acceptable accuracy out to about 700 meters. Besides the problem that it is semi-auto and sends brass flying, the M21 was, and still is, a very capable military sniper rifle. The 10th SFG, in conjuntion with the U.S. Navy SEALs has developed an improved version of the M21 known as the M25. The M25 was designed out of a need for a semi auto sniper rifle, and it was the weapon of choice for SEAL snipers during Desert Storm. The M21 holds a dear spot in many U.S. Army snipers hearts (me included), and rightfully so.
US Army File Photo Calibers: .30-06 Springfield (7.62x63mm) Magazine: 5 round internal box magazine. Barrel Length: 24" (610mm) Barrel Profile: 2 Grooves, LH Twist, cut-rifled (early rifles) 4 Grooves, LH Twist, draw rifled (later rifles) Weight: 9.38 lbs (4.34 kg) Overall Length: 43.21" (1098mm) Stock: Type "C" (early rifles) "Scant" grip (later rifles) Sights: M73B1 2.5x Telescopic site (Weaver 330C) - No Iron Sites The M81, M82, and M84 were also used on the M1903-A4 (late WWII and Korea) Unertl 8x (USMC M1903-A1/Unertl) - With Iron Sites Features: Conversion to sniper rifles done by Remington Arms. The M1903-A4 was a specifically designed sniper rifle that came as a result of early U.S. combat involvement in the Pacific. There was a high demand, that could not be filled, for telescopic (sniper) rifles. The Infantry Board and the Ordanance Department conducted an evaluation and recommended that the Weaver 2.5x 330C hunting telescope be adopted for use on M1903 and M1903-A1 rifles. The rifle was officially adopted on 14 Jan 1943 as the M1903-A4 (sniper).
M1903-A4 (sniper's) with M73B1 Telescope (Paul Oats Private Collection)
The M1903-A4 was an accurate rifle with an effective range of about 600 yards (550m), with the main limit on long range accuracy coming from its very low power scope (2.5x). From its adoption in 1943 until the end of the war, the M1903-A4 was used extensively in every theater of operation by both the US Army and the USMC. The rifle was again used in the korean conflict, and even in the early stages of the Vietnam conflict when sniper rifles were in severe shortage. The M1903A4 is a legendary classic sniper rifle. It served with distinction in WWII, Korea, and even Vietnam.
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USMC M1903-A1 with Unertl 8x Telescope (USMC File Photo)
USMC M1903-A1/Unertl Unlike the US Army, the USMC had a standard issue sniper rifle at the start of hostilities in WWII, it was a M1903/Lyman 5A (5x), which was adopted (with the Winchester A5 Telescope) during WWI. After there was a push to standardize sniper equipment, the Marine Corps Equipment Board did an extensive study of optics under field conditions and recommended a scope of about 8x, with an objective lens of about one and half inches, a medium fine crosshair reticle, and double micrometer quarter minute click mounts. They specifically cited a 8x target scope made by John Unertl as being the best they found. They also recommended the scope be mounted on a Winchester M70 target rifle, but the USMC decided on the M1903 based on favorable accuracy comparisons between specially selected M1903's and the M70. So the M1903-A1 mounted with the Unertl 8x became the "sniping standard" in the USMC.
The M1903-A1/Unertl was tested and at 600 yards and with M72 Match ammo would group 3.5 inches (.58 MOA, wow!!!) but match ammo was about impossible to come by during the war, so most snipers had to settle with M2 Ball ammo, which was till respectable with groups coming in at 7.5" at 600 yards (1.25 MOA). The M1903-A1/Unertl was used by the USMC through out WWII, along with the M1903-A4. The -A1/Unertl also saw use during the Korean war, with USMC snipers registering a number of kills out to 1000 yards. Like the M1903-A4 the M1903-A1/Unertl was a lethal system in the hands of a properly trained sniper during WWII and Korea.
Yeah, to help her squeeze through the doorway of her house.
I had something else in mind, but the famous "Watermelon Woman" (38-24- 46 is one of the most popular attractions on the beach at Rio De Janeiro. You should see her perform, but if as it appears you are into Crisco, you'll need to supply your own, her unique shape is pretty solid, the quintessential example of many Brazilian women, but I'm sure you can do better... jorge
She looks like we should just call her "blonde Du Jour..."
Ingwe
Ok French, in honor of arguably one the classiest beauties of all time:
jorge
she is uglier than my azz hole
Originally Posted by purplefox66
only in my dreams. once again sorry for my bad behaviour. i am a real azz sometimes and speak without thinking.
Coming from someone who takes the time and effort to actually look at their own orifice, I'll take the statement for what it's worth and it appears you haven't learned from your own self-assessment...jorge
She looks like we should just call her "blonde Du Jour..."
Ingwe
Ok French, in honor of arguably one the classiest beauties of all time:
jorge
she is uglier than my azz hole
Originally Posted by purplefox66
only in my dreams. once again sorry for my bad behaviour. i am a real azz sometimes and speak without thinking.
Coming from someone who takes the time and effort to actually look at their own orifice, I'll take the statement for what it's worth and it appears you haven't learned from your own self-assessment...jorge
You saved me the trouble Jorge.. Looks like he is trolling for the ghey since he has a fixation on his poop hole...
Woman showed up at the courthouse. Waited in line at the driver's license window. When she got there she said she wanted to divorce her husband because he wanted constant sex. The clerk told her that she would have to go over to the proper department and file her application. Her response was, "File it? Honey, it's so sore that I can't touch it with a powder puff."
Ok French, in honor of arguably one the classiest beauties of all time:
jorge
Ah, Catherine DeNeuve... at a time when cinematic blonde beauty was arguably at its peak, in the company of such lights as BeBe, Julie Christie, and Faye Dunaway, for my money Catherine was head and shoulders above the pack... too bad this pic only shows her face, sadly...
Ok French, in honor of arguably one the classiest beauties of all time:
jorge
Ah, Catherine DeNeuve... at a time when cinematic blonde beauty was arguably at its peak, in the company of such lights as BeBe, Julie Christie, and Faye Dunaway, for my money Catherine was head and shoulders above the pack... too bad this pic only shows her face, sadly...
I agree. She was really beautiful in her prime. There are better pictures than this one that show her beauty. Wonder what she looks like now?
Ok French, in honor of arguably one the classiest beauties of all time:
jorge
Ah, Catherine DeNeuve... at a time when cinematic blonde beauty was arguably at its peak, in the company of such lights as BeBe, Julie Christie, and Faye Dunaway, for my money Catherine was head and shoulders above the pack... too bad this pic only shows her face, sadly...
I agree. She was really beautiful in her prime. There are better pictures than this one that show her beauty. Wonder what she looks like now?
She looks like we should just call her "blonde Du Jour..."
Ingwe
Ok French, in honor of arguably one the classiest beauties of all time:
jorge
she is uglier than my azz hole
Originally Posted by purplefox66
only in my dreams. once again sorry for my bad behaviour. i am a real azz sometimes and speak without thinking.
Coming from someone who takes the time and effort to actually look at their own orifice, I'll take the statement for what it's worth and it appears you haven't learned from your own self-assessment...jorge
what ever you and most of the rest on this thread are kissing ass to ingwe what a bunch of ass holes
On the contrary, Bob is one of the best guys on this site, IMO, and he contributes a lot and has many experiences to share. I imagine you could also, purple, but your attitude leaves something to be desired.
On the contrary, Bob is one of the best guys on this site, IMO, and he contributes a lot and has many experiences to share. I imagine you could also, purple, but your attitude leaves something to be desired.
She looks like we should just call her "blonde Du Jour..."
Ingwe
Ok French, in honor of arguably one the classiest beauties of all time:
jorge
she is uglier than my azz hole
Originally Posted by purplefox66
only in my dreams. once again sorry for my bad behaviour. i am a real azz sometimes and speak without thinking.
Coming from someone who takes the time and effort to actually look at their own orifice, I'll take the statement for what it's worth and it appears you haven't learned from your own self-assessment...jorge
what ever you and most of the rest on this thread are kissing ass to ingwe what a bunch of ass holes
So how far did you have to bend over to see your own butthole or did you use mirrors? And as to your own quote of "I'm a real azz sometimes," you should ammend that to "perennial"...jorge
[quote=ingwe]She looks like we should just call her "blonde Du Jour..."
Ingwe
Ok French, in honor of arguably one the classiest beauties of all time:
jorge
she is uglier than my azz hole
and i was told i have a bad attitude. and i do bet you wont admit to it.
Originally Posted by purplefox66
only in my dreams. once again sorry for my bad behaviour. i am a real azz sometimes and speak without thinking.
Coming from someone who takes the time and effort to actually look at their own orifice, I'll take the statement for what it's worth and it appears you haven't learned from your own self-assessment...jorge
what ever you and most of the rest on this thread are kissing ass to ingwe what a bunch of ass holes
So how far did you have to bend over to see your own butthole or did you use mirrors? And as to your own quote of "I'm a real azz sometimes," you should ammend that to "perennial"...jorge [/quote]
2 pages of this thread and nothing but words and a picture of a pussy and a bald eagle...... lets stop slinging mud and get back on topic....lol....I check in on this thread to look at nice pictures,not to read....lol
2 pages of this thread and nothing but words and a picture of a pussy and a bald eagle...... lets stop slinging mud and get back on topic....lol....I check in on this thread to look at nice pictures,not to read....lol
not realy but i am sure you will have a negative comment
You shouldn't have a beef with me, and so your answer could have been left at the first two words.
Anyway, the "worship" of Ingwe as Grand Master Poobah started as a fun response to some BS that went on about "a tribe of turdlike people" and whatnot.
It's lighthearted silliness and somehow you missed that.
2 pages of this thread and nothing but words and a picture of a pussy and a bald eagle...... lets stop slinging mud and get back on topic....lol....I check in on this thread to look at nice pictures,not to read....lol
Sorry...I blew up...
lost my head...
Ingwe
blowing up is a easy thing to do. i guess we all do it.
not realy but i am sure you will have a negative comment
You shouldn't have a beef with me, and so your answer could have been left at the first two words.
Anyway, the "worship" of Ingwe as Grand Master Poobah started as a fun response to some BS that went on about "a tribe of turdlike people" and whatnot.
It's lighthearted silliness and somehow you missed that.
and to that i appologise. sorry for the spelling errors.
See...every one is friends again....starting to get back on track with this thread...life is good and to all who help brighten up my day with the pics they post a great big heartfelt "THANK YOU" Stew
See...every one is friends again....starting to get back on track with this thread...life is good and to all who help brighten up my day with the pics they post a great big heartfelt "THANK YOU" Stew
+1... same here, not that I come to this thread that often...
Saw a girl last night who was built like this but shorter (I'm guessin). You could have bounced a feather 30 feet off her arse it was that firm. Plus she was wearing a pair of shorts an Ethiopian would have to sucked their gut in to put on.
I woulda snapped some cell pics but her boyfriend and local MMA star was there. I didn't feel like being dismembered...
You won't get a response from him anytime soon. He's still pushing on the door that says pull to open.
And his DVD player is still flashing and I believe someone told me they saw him laying SOD and he had a big sign (in Crayon) that he kept reading (while his lips moved) that said "Green side up"!
I have looked at this thread too often, and just as my mother warned me, now I need glasses! I have to squint to see that last image!
John
Rather straight-laced family. Father discovered young lad behind the barn amusing himself. Father clears throat and suggests that son save that until he is married. On the son's wedding day, he asks his father to accompany him behind the barn. Upon arrival, the son asks, while leaning on a fifty-five gallon drum, "Remember what you told me years ago?"
Maybe we need someone completely logical, like Digital Dan or Fishead, to explain it !
Now, that would be funny stuff & worth a few pages of text to read.
Paul.
Yeah. Where the heck are 'ishead and Double D?
I'm still here.
What needs splainin'?
Oh and BTW, Oldman is still lurking and posting or was a while ago under a new name. My super secret turdlike spyware program caught him along time ago.
Oh god no, mathmans gonna have a coronary infarction. Yabo skank by the way is a very highly paid adult film star. If I was allowed to post her videos on here not a one of you would turn her down.
Cheap whiskey should be kept in the freezer. So you can't taste it. I sense a disconnect - classy women and cheap whiskey. You should class up your drinking habits.
Oh god no, mathmans gonna have a coronary infarction. Yabo skank by the way is a very highly paid adult film star. If I was allowed to post her videos on here not a one of you would turn her down.
Are you suggesting she only looks good with a ---- in her mouth?
It's not fantasy. We decided long ago that they are two different pictures. Look close. One is "breath in" fridge girl. The other is "breath out" or exhale fridge girl.
Oh god no, mathmans gonna have a coronary infarction. Yabo skank by the way is a very highly paid adult film star. If I was allowed to post her videos on here not a one of you would turn her down.
Are you suggesting she only looks good with a ---- in her mouth?
Im saying she is at her best when committing acts that are the worst.
I've always had this thing for skanks. I don't know why. Maybe they just seem like a little bit more of a sure thing. The rejection factor isn't as high as with the pretty ones.
Great five minutes on and the poobahs blushing. I do believe we need to arrange a group trip to "de classy tize" the poobah and mathman. Nothing but jager bombs and 2 for 1 draft beers and Floridian strippers with massive silicone and no brains.
We need to act fast, Ill call Bambi and Candi and tell them to cancel their remedial english class, Fish you schedule the flights and pick up the essentials for Irish car bombs.
We need to act fast, Ill call Bambi and Candi and tell them to cancel their remedial english class, Fish you schedule the flights and pick up the essentials for Irish car bombs.
Whoa now.
We'll hold off on the extreme fixes and give him a chance clear this up on his own.
I've seen this kind of thing happen before and it usually clears up in a very short time.
Still look like a Tankee in a monkey suit to me, notice the hard hat tanline and fitters flash burn? Lol. It makes her happy to dress up occasionally so I do it.
you guys need to get your own road show. You certainly keep it entertaining and I tune in everyday at least once. Trying to get my daily dose of Web Fu and Turdlike behavior. Keep up the great work. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE 7 MAUSER TOTIN BWANA. SHOUT out over. Les
Its definitely a party drink. Anything with the word "bomb" attached is intended to be knocked back fast as possible. Good stuff though I prefer the jager bomb.
To be honest it may taste better that way. St pattys day always calls for a few Irish car bombs, for nostalgia if you will. No iced early times and Bud Light for you huh?
I have a variety of different shaped glasses including the flared one you showed, but I prefer those more closed at the mouth like the Glencairn already shown or like this:
Thank You Paul. Best part is all of the ones I posted last night are for sell. I found them on mail order bride sight. Google women from the Ukraine and you can buy one!!!
Agreed. I like the 'chopped photo better too. Sorry to burst the bubble(butt). The real *ss ain't bad, but I guess I like curves more than I thought. Whoever did the touch up work on those girls is an artist.
Yep...went out last night for a HUGE steak dinner with Ingwewife and Benellis exhibition shooter Tim Bradley.Ive met Tim before, so it was like old home week! Good time!
Musta done it right...feeling a little slow on the draw this morning....
Dis one gets my vote...you boys have been busy...New 2 99s has been particularly busy with a run of skank-fu and a run of quasi classy stuff like this...
Dis one gets my vote...you boys have been busy...New 2 99s has been particularly busy with a run of skank-fu and a run of quasi classy stuff like this...
The poobah is smiling...
Ingwe
Tis all I ask, massa !
Something for everyone in todays offering, though !!
Fellas, Just got on as a FNG, and as I am in a place where they have lots of filters on, I could only see the one blonde. Great morale booster, that one... Wish I could see the rifles too...
Ok, you guys are killin' me... I'm an old timer running around the border hills here, just having a grand old time with these hillbilly bandits, and I thought I was going to see what you guys had to say about sniping. Then I see your 'large boned Blonde' and that is ALL I could see, so I'm sitting here in wondement. Remember, there is a thing we have to live under over here called General Order #1= No Booze, No Pix, No Nuthin'. Afer a while that gets real old, so this formum is for sanity sake... And now I can not even see the pix... Might as well go back outside and do some hunting.
Ha, I just hope Lee isnt a member of the fire, I may be forced to defend myself lol. Sorry for the weekend Hiatus, been working on the new and improved Podunk Ranch. Mrs Podunk and I are moving farther from town and getting things situated.
I beleive its a Floridian thing Jorge. Them northern fellas dont get exposed to scantily clad women as often as we do so their appreciation of certain anatomical parts has dwindled.
Reminds me of the time a friend and I encountered some sun tanning models on a small private beach around Anna Maria Island. We put in our vocal applications for lotion boy, towel boy or any kind of boy they needed.
I never mentioned those types were the ones you keep around. I enjoy them meaty but Ive settled down with one thats nice and trim for the mentioned reasons.
We have got to kidnap mathman, force him to down jager bombs and irish car bombs then take him down to Ft Lauderdale and put some curvaceous latina exotic dancers on him.
That would certainly help but I have to say, growing up around them they DO have a very short shelf-life. That is why I prefer the Teutonic Tit-Willow type...jorge
Once upon a time I googled my name to see what would come up. This was when I still lived in Alaska too. Low and behold the first thing that came up was a reference to a gay porno star from Colorado with the same friggin name. No schit on this one, true story. I'd never been to Colorado before and when I moved here I always thought somewhere, somehow, somebody might get confused. Luckily it hasn't happened. Good thing the [bleep] is waaaay younger than me too.
And I forgot to add; when I passed by the meat counter at the grocercy store, (I was going to buy a steak to throw on the grill) they had some California Sushi Rolls on sale. I thought what the hey. Sounded good. They were very pretty. Uuuuuummmm.
And I forgot to add; when I passed by the meat counter at the grocercy store, (I was going to buy a steak to throw on the grill) they had some California Sushi Rolls on sale. I thought what the hey. Sounded good. They were very pretty. Uuuuuummmm.
And I forgot to add; when I passed by the meat counter at the grocercy store, (I was going to buy a steak to throw on the grill) they had some California Sushi Rolls on sale. I thought what the hey. Sounded good. They were very pretty. Uuuuuummmm.
shushi fish
Fish heads, fish heads, rollie pollie fish heads,,,,,,,,,,,,
Way too much info, are you taking lessons from INGWE??? Did you see that pic of him and his pooch while he say's he is out "hunting" ,,,,,,,,,just sayin'
Those pictures of the skeletons were very unturdlike.
I like thinner girls than Jorge, even some quite skinny ones if they're natural. But those skeletons looked deep into anorexia. Somebody get them a plate of rice & beans, a po-boy, something.
Sorry thought I had an ass shot I guess "Ass" in a figurative sense. Us young fellas aint much on beating around the bush. Better to get straight to beating in the bush.
Hey Ingwe - is all you have to do all day is search the internet looking for beautiful women or, are you just taking photos of local Montana gals in your neighborhood. If it�s the latter, I'll come and help them pose.
Hey Ingwe - is all you have to do all day is search the internet looking for beautiful women or, are you just taking photos of local Montana gals in your neighborhood. If it�s the latter, I'll come and help them pose.
Yep, they're all local...and now that summer is here we might start with bikini pics, and will need a "spritzer" boy.... I already got the Sunscreen lotion job.....
Yep, they're all local...and now that summer is here we might start with bikini pics, and will need a "spritzer" boy.... I already got the Sunscreen lotion job.....
I honestly wanna take a vote on the best looking woman alive. All around and everyone has to be pleased with her. Is this possible with our varying tastes?
Still am, but if you remember I mentioned her to 99 as an example of well a watermelonass. Is she my idea of perfection? far from it, for one thing I'm partial to Teutonic Tit Willows (or that squatting blonde!), but as far as watermelon woman, I'd be over her like white on rice. jorge
I am noticing a subtle move away from pure skank-fu to high class skank-fu...and even a couple feeble attempts to get back on topic with the camo/guns theme...
Indeed I have posted elsewhere that a freinds Grandfather used to boss a crew of 21 Irishmen back in the day on ore cars in Butte, MT.- true story- and he maintained that they were pretty good workers so long as-and I quote- " they were supervised by somebody white..."
Ohhhhhhh.... Nobody had posted a true looking daughter of Erin until now..... Ingwe you better stop there or Ms Podunks gonna get the boot. Those redheads like that are my kryptonite. I can have it all figured out and then one of them comes along...
This photo was on the cover of National Geographic Magazine about 25 or so years ago. She was a 17 year old Afghan girl. In the late 1990's, the photographer returned to Afghanistan and searched for her and finally found her. She was concealed by a burqa and afraid of the Taliban. Finally, after much discussion, she removed the burqa and allowed her picture to be taken. The photo reveals a 35 year old woman who looked 70. Hard life in rural Afghanistan; no Paris Hilton lifestyle!
Are you ready for the penultimate offering to the poobah? Ive been sitting on one who is the epitomy of class, ever the lady she graced the silver screen for some time. To boot shes got quite the set of peepers.
Having been able to wander around in the eastern border hill area over the past months, I can say that you seldom see too many women, and NEVER without a burqa completely covering them- head to toe. In all my chats with the locals, I am always amazed at how young they say they are relative to what you or I would assume their age to be. PS Mil filters will not allow any of the pix posted- bummer...
At least someone appreciates my work ..... In the spirit of the 4th, Happy independence day fellows. Be glad we live in a country great enough to sit around on the internet and banter about womens gozangas....
Though I made the mistake of watching her one attempt at "real acting" once,and it was quite possibly the worst film I've ever watched.She really needs to stick with skin flicks.
Yeah.It was called "The Girlfriend Experience",and she plays a highend callgirl in Manhattan.For a girl that just exudes attitude in porn......she's probably the driest,most boring actress I've ever watched.She'll straight put you to sleep with her acting.Just horribly bland and boring.
Of course,for a story that's based around sex,they couldn't have written a much more boring script.It was just a stinker all the way around.
I think we need a round of applause for New_2_99's and his dedication to this thread. I think he has probably kept more than a few of us looking forward to what is coming next.
I think we need a round of applause for New_2_99's and his dedication to this thread. I think he has probably kept more than a few of us looking forward to what is coming next.
Thanks War Eagle,
I think I'm running outta puff though, you guys should all feel free to contribute, too !!
I posted this before and got hammered on because there wasn't a string running up the crack...I mean because there wasn't underwear a bathing suit, whatever. So, here goes. Hope it's within the guidelines.
I posted this before and got hammered on because there wasn't a string running up the crack...I mean because there wasn't underwear a bathing suit, whatever. So, here goes. Hope it's within the guidelines.
I dont know if I can make the call myself. I love skanky women but posted just as many classy ones. Of course I tanked with the Audrey Hepburn deal but thats because I dont have good taste.
+1,what did I miss!! best thread at the campfire and people need to sqwabble. If we all can't get along,somebody is going to stop the fun and then what? And to all the posters that help brighten up my day,"THANK YOU AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK"
Did anybody ever think that maybe he's out of town, or got sick? I don't think anything I've seen on here in the last 3-4 wks. would run off the grand poobah!
Aw Hail jorge, Podunk needs to get his dictionary out again, sorry for the error guys shoulda said ultimate I guess. Thanks for correcting me before I said that in front of someone smart jorge
Ah yes, Meg White, the drummer from the White Stripes. All that upper body exercise... ahem!
Anyway, I just checked wikipedia, and if that site is to be believed, her hobbies include photographing animals and taxidermy. Would you let her mount you, Dan?
She had a court ordered rehab not too long back....
I only know this schitt because I get stuck standing at a machine center 10 hours a day with nothing for entertainment except the local radio stations and MTV news.
But yeah, she's planning on living fast and dying young it looks like. Too bad... I like her gutter slut lounge act style of music.
Pod saying that your skank-fu ran me off is pretty much model perfecto of the pot calling the kettle black.... As your your hurt feelings, ND provided us here at the 'fire with the following form, fill it out and mail it in...
Pod saying that your skank-fu ran me off is pretty much model perfecto of the pot calling the kettle black.... As your your hurt feelings, ND provided us here at the 'fire with the following form, fill it out and mail it in...
BMT the fridge girl on your avatar inspired this series... kind of girl next doorish but more hot girl in your kitchen...
Some of your recent posts are good but from the pictures you've posted you live with someone that's better than some of the skank fu you appear to lust after.
Up a bit early with the hay fever today...gotta get wired up on coffee and go on a full day dog training consult over in Missoula...trying to get a Diabetic Alert Service Dog lined out today...gonna be a long day..
Thats the best porn thats been posted yet! You having a Sweet Clover year up there??? Lotsa protien in that stuff, should be great horn growth this year, and if you know anyone with an apiary..it is the best honey in the world...
Its not a huge clover year from what I've seen but the antler growth on the deer and elk is way good this summer. Survival on fawns from the spring of 2005 was high and there will be lots of 5 1/2 year old bucks running around this fall. Mix that in with a good feed year...well it'll be good!!
Up a bit early with the hay fever today...gotta get wired up on coffee and go on a full day dog training consult over in Missoula...trying to get a Diabetic Alert Service Dog lined out today...gonna be a long day..
how 'bout choo??
Ingwe
Poobah,
Splain to me the Diabetic Alert Service Dog. What's dat.
BMT the fridge girl on your avatar inspired this series... kind of girl next doorish but more hot girl in your kitchen...
Some of your recent posts are good but from the pictures you've posted you live with someone that's better than some of the skank fu you appear to lust after.
True words doubletap, Skanks are fun to look at but Mrs Podunk keeps the house clean, dinner ready ( still no Paula Dean but she tries) and the dogs taken care of so I cant complain. Skanks are merely entertaining to view and comment on.
I dont know about Jordana so much but Amy Smarts hotter than a ten peckered billy goat. Damnfine work Paul!
I wouldn't say Amy's the hottest chick on the planet, but it's probably safe to say she'd be the most fun. Potent little package all things considered.
Up a bit early with the hay fever today...gotta get wired up on coffee and go on a full day dog training consult over in Missoula...trying to get a Diabetic Alert Service Dog lined out today...gonna be a long day..
how 'bout choo??
Ingwe
Poobah,
Splain to me the Diabetic Alert Service Dog. What's dat.
Just curious.
fish head
Fish thats a dog I'm consulting on the training of, what his job will be is to alert his handler to oncoming low blood sugar episodes, so she can glucose up before it happens... Its an olfaction based training, and actually pretty feasible to do if you know whats going on with the diabetes...
My moms an insulin dependent diabetic. been that way since she was 11. She had an old male bulldog she kept inside and he was as good as a glucose monitor.
Since low blood sugar is often accompanied by disorientation,I train them to be insistent, and get the victims attention...by licking the face.Since the odor initially originates in the breath, this is kind of a natural place/thing for them to do..
They are extremely disoriented and appear drunken in my experience when the blood sugar is low. Licking the face would surely be beneficial. You should train them to go to thee fridge and fetch OJ Lows are alot worse than highs with my mom, she can get so bad its like a clip from the exorcist. Plug nose pour OJ down the hatch and hold it shut til they swallow is the only option when shes that bad.
Since low blood sugar is often accompanied by disorientation,I train them to be insistent, and get the victims attention...by licking the face.Since the odor initially originates in the breath, this is kind of a natural place/thing for them to do..
Ingwe
Wow. That is impressive; 'man's best friend' indeed.
Since low blood sugar is often accompanied by disorientation,I train them to be insistent, and get the victims attention...by licking the face.Since the odor initially originates in the breath, this is kind of a natural place/thing for them to do..
Ingwe
Can you train a bait babe to lick me when my sugar drops when I'm out? It doesn't have to be my face
Of all the willing ones I pursued in the past, quite a few as I wasnt known for culling any, Mrs Podunk happened to be the first one with any class. Seems to be for the better, we may live in a trailer but we dont have to act like it.
I have watched this thread with great interest for it is my great hope that Lee and Oldman will come back to straighten us all out and to shower us with their wisdom and that we shall all bath in their enlightenment.
That being said we've some fine classy woman and some that better have great personalities and some that have more man-made parts than the bionic woman but I have seen none finer than April Vokey. She was seen earlier but is worth a reprise.
god...Hope this is not coming to end....!! way too fat,never penetrate.. that 900lbs bittch on the bike 'bout made me puke...but somebody loves her.... just glad it ain't me.
+1 That blue sweater OMG, I don't care if it does scare deer
No kidding. She's got wool on the top and goretex on the bottom and is more sexy to me than any of these lycra clad nymphettes (not that there's anything wrong with nymphs, I'll be doing some this weekend)
Of all the things Ive seen used creatively to cover a vag.... a baseball bat is definitely a new one on me..... But hell its art.. right? Welcome to the sniper rifle thread.
I got him pegged, a little too tawdry for him to admit he likes but I assure you part of the poobah likes Hell we both come from the same descendants were practically family......
Im in Choteau now Ingwe. Moved home for the summer to make some money. Ill be back down there the end of August through the school year if ya ever dare to come back to Hippie town! lol. Here's some more for ya Podunk! Drum Roll please......The Grand Finale!!!!!!! [img]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b231/cole_smith/sheyla-hershey-myspace-294.jpg[/img]
You boys have your first cutting on the ground yet DT ?
ingwe
There is hay all over the ground now. Been gettin hail about every one or two weeks though. Havent heard of any hay crops getting damaged though. Sprayed some weeds today up on some land that got hail last saturday and sunday and the barley and wheat got F'ed up bad. Even shredded the big bull thistles and dalmation toadflax plants we were sprayin
Dude one of these days you are goin to make someone hurt themselves! Gotta head to town though. Little bro picked me up some bullets in Great Falls today....Guess what caliber Ingwe? yeah thats right.. .277 for my good old deer slayin 270 Win. Might load some up in the 270 Gibbs too. 130gr Accubombs! Be back in a bit
Nice series of posts there. I take it your talking about PB "placing you on "secret probation" again ? Ya need to set up a couple of accounts. I think I have 5.
Yeah...if you go over your alloted bandwidth per month, they snag every pic youve ever posted...until that month is over,then they all magically re-appear..
New 2 99s How do get more than one account from the same 'puter???
Yep, that's how they roll. Delete all ya goodies & then place you on double secret probation, when ya bandwidth gets up there.
It's more work, but I've noticed that if when you find your "good pics", you save them to your desktop & change the name, before uploading to PB, you can somethimes get to keep the good ones !!!!
I've always done well with a brass/gold colored Vibrax size 1 or 2 depending on how big the fish are. That would be the first thing I'd try in most any stream or river.
My pards have got heavy weight saltwater fly rods, Im pretty sure Ill fare better with my spec rods. Think theyll know Im from Florida when I roll out with a pegged 1/4 oz bullet weighted Zoom Trick worm and my flippin stick?
Aww crap the pics tiny, I was gonna note the Levi Garret bulge also. All this is necessary to fish successfully in the South. 5sdad: Any man that can confidently wear a Stetson and shorts makes a statement..... What can I say? Its my favorite hat and Ms Podunk likes it..
Panther Martins are a very good spinner too. I just looked at my box of spinners and a size 4 Panther Martin falls right in between a size 1 or 2 Vibrax. I like the all black P.M.'s. They work more gooder some times.
Me, I'm a long rod kind of guy. I like the extra length even on smaller streams. It easier to reach out with your arm to control the retrieve. Short rods are fun too though.
I want to go fishin' now. The streams are finally in shape here after the melt off, rain and flooding earlier this year.
I sent off a rod to Orvis that needed the tip replaced and I'm waiting to try it out for the first time ever. I got it waaaay back in the 80's from a hard up druggie that lived in my apartment complex for basically nothing. He sold me all his fishing gear for $50.00 including the broken Orvis rod, reel and line, a tackle box and a couple of other fishing poles.
It's a 7'9" 2wt. It should be perfect for dry flies and midges on the smaller creeks around here.
Just curious, I catch specks, bream and small bass down here with them. Didnt know if trout would hit them or not. The Beetle Spins got to be my number one lure for catching sheer numbers of fish.
Yeah...if you go over your alloted bandwidth per month, they snag every pic youve ever posted...until that month is over,then they all magically re-appear..
New 2 99s How do get more than one account from the same 'puter???
Ingwe
Just by using different email accounts to set the PB account up. Create yourself a few "yahoo" or "hotmail" email accounts & use these to register your PB accounts !
When I signed up at PB I used totally bogus info and a made up email address ending in @aol.com. It's easy to make up a John or Mike or Susan ending in @aol.com. PB has no idea who I am.
Just curious, I catch specks, bream and small bass down here with them. Didnt know if trout would hit them or not. The Beetle Spins got to be my number one lure for catching sheer numbers of fish.
Pod, I would think drifting unweighted / lightly weighted earthworms on light spin gear should also produce.
Yeah, I agree with that ............. for the most part !
Certainly depends on the amount of fishing pressure applied.
I haven't bought live bait in 3 years. Hunter gatherer by nature, so I collect my own night crawlers, from my yard & trap my minnows in the local creeks !!
That said, I love fishing crank baits in unpressured areas. Just something about the more active nature of that kinda fishing.
In some areas it's a popular bait but in others areas it's a secret.
Don't tell anyone. I'd have to kill ya.
......crikets. ......
The store bought kind. If you can't find them being sold as bait a pet supply will have them. They'll outfish worms in every situation I've where used em.
I agree, down here I never use live bait for freshwater fishing unless the bream and stump knockers are biting then its cricket time. The rattle trap is always tied on one of my bass rods, same for a buzz bait or other loud obnoxious topwater plug.
That looks like something from a sci fi movie..... Where do you find those?
under rocks on the edges of streams and rivers. They are as tough as a rubber worm and you can easily catch 3 to 5 fish before they die and are tore up to bad.
AussieGunWriter already set me straight about yall drinking Fosters... For the life of me I cant make sense out of cricket, the Jamaicans that work with me swear by it but i just cant catch on.
That looks like something from a sci fi movie..... Where do you find those?
under rocks on the edges of streams and rivers. They are as tough as a rubber worm and you can easily catch 3 to 5 fish before they die and are tore up to bad.
I used to fished a secret honey hole river for steelhead where hellgramites were present. The steelies wouldn't touch em. The little bugs I bought at the store would flat out slay em. I never could figure out why they wouldn't eat the natural bait as well as the store bought. It was an unusual situation in this river the steelhead would essentially turn back into at trout and actively feed while they were in freshwater. Most steelhead in most river systems won't do this.
The pierced feathers is a bit beyondo for my tastes.
Does remind of one gal I met once though. She mentioned having a few piercings and rings put in her cootchy. Her comment about it was; Think shoelaces.
Went down one of those souped up water slides once, supposed to be the tallest in Florida or fastest, whatever. Lost my swimming britches, ripped them clean off me. A lady at the bottom threw them to me and I walked to the gift shop to buy more as proudly as a bare-assed semi fat white man can.
MMMMMMMMM Ill take this one! Im a sucker for a chest like her's. Dont get me wrong I like em all as my sig says but the petite ones catch my eyes pretty quick
We need to have some more centralized get togethers. Theyre all to far from Florida....
po-k,
We drive down to the Gulf Coast every spring, and darn near every school fall break and now it seems for the week after Christmas as well - my brother is in Ft Myers and my folks got a place in Marco. i've been dyin to get down there and hunt up an Osceola. Maybe trade a gobbler hunt for an IN deer hunt???
I'm thinking we could arrange a decent get-together around Indy or Lou'vill also...
7-man, Id love to show anyone from the Sniper Rifle Thread around the swamp, especially after an Osceola. My lease has Easterns but the public land around me isnt bad at all. Lots of birds just no guarantees. I consider you guys buddies. Let me know when youll be around.
Went down one of those souped up water slides once, supposed to be the tallest in Florida or fastest, whatever. Lost my swimming britches, ripped them clean off me. A lady at the bottom threw them to me and I walked to the gift shop to buy more as proudly as a bare-assed semi fat white man can.
OK...any of you hosers awake out there..Im gonna try fisheads advice on a spare PB account to avoid double secret probation...tell me what you think...
helgramite... they'll pinch the heck out of you but catch the fish better than anything else.
Kent
That right there is about the #1 bait of all time. A few years ago, my buddy and I were up on the reservation fishing right where the black and white river joined. The fish were biting crayfish bait really good. I got tired of catching them (crayfish) for bait. I found a helgramite, cut it up to share with the group and WHAM,,,, it was crazy, I havent seen any fish attack bait like that since I was in MN flipping frogs under a bridge and having the snotrockets take off with them!
I must be the only one who hates summer...I stay in as much as possible to avoid heat and bugs and wait for fall fishing etc... Meanwhile I load boolits and post this...
My sentiments exactly Carlos...I like that pic as well as any Ive seen in recent memory... It more than illustrates that you dont need bleached hair, fake boobs, bikinis,and spread-eagle stances with piercings and tatoos to be sexy.. JMHO...
Ingwe, all I can say, aside from the nice eye balm you just provided, is.....
God Bless Lee24 for startin' this thread! He didn't know it then but the reason for his existence boiled down to this thread on Al Gore's internet.
Too bad he's so young, hope he doesn't get lost now, in that hollow existence he once called life. No tellin' what that can make a man do if he gets all liquored up.
My sentiments exactly Carlos...I like that pic as well as any Ive seen in recent memory... It more than illustrates that you dont need bleached hair, fake boobs, bikinis,and spread-eagle stances with piercings and tatoos to be sexy.. JMHO...
Ingwe
Well now let's not get too hasty there GP. I have a suspicion she's thinking something just a wee bit wicked....
Doing it using your idea of an auxillary account in my dogs name...
Ingwe
You do realize you can post most any pic off the net without having to save it to your account? I find it much easier to just right click on the picture, go to properties, and copy the URL address. Then all that's left is to past that address into the [img][\img] boxes here and viola...
I dont wanna get into a dink off, remember Im from the antlered greyhound capitol of the world...... Not visiting, more like attemting to avoid domestic violence charges and accumulated hearing loss....
Thanks for your input guys...I can see the error in my ways, and I plan on repenting when MagMarc comes out to fish for trout...Real campfires, Real whiskey ( no ice...as far as you know... ...)
Now taking apps. for camp cook...I thought this one in the vest had a nice "western" touch.....
Man....where have I been? Somehow missed this epic thread but just spent some time catching up. Excellent job gentlemen!
Ingwe, you've got the top posts in this one...now, don't get me wrong, I like it all, but the eyes have it for me and you found some incredible pics. BTW, gonna be spending a lot of time in your neck of the woods here soon...drew a tag for that most coveted area right by you and I'm pumped!!!
Haven't looked at the thread in quite some time due to the original content...but am quite happy that once again a major hijacking has turned out for the betterment of all. Ingwe has a knack for being part of such conspiracies. He, Dan Adair, and I had one going last year, then we were "politely" asked to just let it go in the interest of bandwidth...so we did. That was when we were all schooled on the art of skank-fu by Sensei Dan, though Ingwe did try to counter with class-fu. This one puts last year's effort to shame (a lot less tats and ho's this time around). Glad to know that the spirit is alive. You are all to be commended on your fine sacrifice for art's sake. I never get tired of beautiful women...
Oh Edith.Wish you hadn't gotten drunk on your ass the night before UFC 100 and got your fine ass fired.Now I have to watch a very average looking black woman hold the ring cards in your place.Shame on you.
You guys sure know how to help a fella through the day. The wife is wondering why I'm spending so much time on the computer the last few days.....she is reaping the benefits:)
While I absolutely love the scrap cloth and string look, I don't feel she has earned the right to wear that ensemble until she has undergone the "proper preparations" for such...aka "brazilian". And yes, I am willing to do my duty with razor in hand if need be
Now THAT is one healthy woman. As for "Ziva" pretty girl but that "sinkhole" she has for a chest I hope she makes up with one of those "fuller" latinassess!
Gennulmen, I have just finished scrolling thru the pastt 50 pages or so, unseen by these eyes due to enTIREly too much time spent at work, and I am compelled to lift my glass in salute to your valiant efforts on behalf of us all. God bless you.
Nice job fellas... I've followed this and been through every page of this thread. Most enjoyable.
And thanks to Ingwe and others for the bouyancy of classy pictures throughout the collection to keep things balanced and falling off the ledge of skank-fu.
Anyhoo, I was dicking around on Youtube listening to White Stripes songs when I happened upon this. It seemed appropriately inappropriate
Dan,
You go to help me out here Buddy. What's the inappropiate part?
BTW, I really like your new nickname. "Douche Adair" My turdlike sense of humor finds finds it extremely funny.
No offense, of course.
I wanna know what's up with Poobah too. Ingwewife put him him on a short leash?
Trust me, no offense taken...
I spent an entire weekend moving boxes into my new singlewide and sport-[bleep]. I almost went through an entire 12 pack of Trojans just on Sunday (one of my girlfriends new room mate is a VERY naughty girl)
I'd take pics, but there are Rules of Engagement in sport-[bleep]
I really do have better things to do than verbally joust with that [bleep], like Mary, Destiny, Brittany, Jody and her sister, the neighbor girl....
Your girlfriend must be quite a naughty girl as well to unleash you like that...
Anywhoo, breakfast takes the ham. And eggs.
Maybe try plugging "[bleep]" into your universal translator Its like that...
I draw the line at 3 ways with my Ex... Believe me, I had to REALLY think about that offer, but I don't want something that rymes with Werpes of Fenital Jorts.
For right now, I'm just enjoying the post divorce "Rebound Ass"
I'm PMing the Poobah BTW. His absence is NOT cool.
I assume you mean the red-head and not Vanessa (my favorite soon to be CPA - you could bounce an engine block off her chest).
Her name is Nemo Valkyrja, prob an alias. She's living in Kyoto, Japan. She's double-majoring in Asia Studies and Japanese. She's also really into Cosplay. Dressing up as cartoon or Japanese anime characters.
not around here! the homos live near Eugene and Ashland. i know cuz those are the only towns i been in that i got called a "redneck" for carrying a gun in plain sight... lol
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