Gys, I have been reading a lot of posts bragging about the .223's effectiveness on deer, and am thinking about getting one for my girls to hunt with. I may well use it the rest of the year as a walking varmint gun, too. So the thought is to keep it as light as possible, preferably short, but accurate and reliable. Now for the hard part. I hear guys bragging about the CZ, the Kimber, the Tikka, and the Remington M7. I also hear that the M7 has some reliability issues in this caliber, the Kimber has accuracy issues, and the CZ has a 1 in 12 twist. The Tikka has a plastic magazine. So which is the best option here? I plan to use the 53gr. TSX for deer, and 40-55gr. BT's for coyotes and such. Mainly looking at a <300yd. gun for lots of carrying and a few shots here and there. I like Sts./Syn., but can deal with blue and wood, really want to keep the gun under 7lbs. all up and get MOA accuracy at least. Tall order? What do you think?
Tikka....the 1 in 8 twist will give you some latitude when you get "loonier"
Otherwise Remington Predator...1 in 9...
Accuracy is no problemo with either one....
Tikka COAL slams doors.
A 700 based 9",ain't a horrid route.
The Montucky trumps all................
He's doesn't appear to be loony enough to pay attention to COAL yet...
Just guessin...
And there you go with a Montucky again....
I do hear good things about the Montucky...............
700 LVSF barreled action in a Ti or McM stock.
Jeff
Oh, I am looney enough to worry about COAL, but don't see it as a big issue with the bullet weights I intend to use in this rifle. I did buy a 6.5x55 over a .260 for that reason, though! I doubt I will have mag length issues with bullets 55gr. and less, unless I am missing something?
Me too, and a couple guys on here have posted group pics with the little .223s that looked really good...
Having sold ( and gotten back...) numerous kimbers...I have not tried one for myself....I'll stick to Faux Ti types..but Dayum..the little kimbers are cute...
I doubt I will have mag length issues with bullets 55gr. and less, unless I am missing something?
Nope, you'll be good with 55s...
just don't let these guys talk you into a .223AI.....
till later....
Oh, I am looney enough to worry about COAL, but don't see it as a big issue with the bullet weights I intend to use in this rifle. I did buy a 6.5x55 over a .260 for that reason, though! I doubt I will have mag length issues with bullets 55gr. and less, unless I am missing something?
You are missing the inherent attributes of upper echelon BC's and their terminal affects upon the things you wish to do business upon. That brainfart,is tossing aside a goodly percentage of the Performance available on tap,for no good reason other than sheer ignorance.
Give it a thunk..................
Well, here I am cross-legged at your feet, oh great scowly fountain of ballistic wisdom... Don't waste this golden opportunity to dispense with your ageless wisdom to an attentive ear...
I am willing to listen to your argument in favor of the longer bullets, in spite of much photographic evidence that the lowly 53gr. tends to snatch the life from timber goats with embarrassingly little excitement and, even worse, boring regularity. However, I am always open to new and better ways to make my prey more deader, more quicker, so please expound.
Ohhhh Krapp...
don't get him started....
Baiting is illegal here?
I'm giving the Tikka a good look to blow my Christmas money on..
I'll also need a good and cheep ugly scope to complete the package.
Johnny ...nearly everyone is blowing out Nikon Prostaffs for about $119..
Cheap and ugly enough???
Countryboy,
Curious as to where you've read about accuracy issues with the Kimber in 223? Everything I've seen on the 223 Montucky has been quite good...
Johnny ...nearly everyone is blowing out Nikon Prostaffs for about $119..
Cheap and ugly enough???
Might be.. This is going to be my "two bagger" truck gun..
well then..that should be about perfect...
Gys, I have been reading a lot of posts bragging about the .223's effectiveness on deer, and am thinking about getting one for my girls to hunt with. I may well use it the rest of the year as a walking varmint gun, too. So the thought is to keep it as light as possible, preferably short, but accurate and reliable. Now for the hard part. I hear guys bragging about the CZ, the Kimber, the Tikka, and the Remington M7. I also hear that the M7 has some reliability issues in this caliber, the Kimber has accuracy issues, and the CZ has a 1 in 12 twist. The Tikka has a plastic magazine. So which is the best option here? I plan to use the 53gr. TSX for deer, and 40-55gr. BT's for coyotes and such. Mainly looking at a <300yd. gun for lots of carrying and a few shots here and there. I like Sts./Syn., but can deal with blue and wood, really want to keep the gun under 7lbs. all up and get MOA accuracy at least. Tall order? What do you think?
I have not read specifically of issues with accuracy in the Kimber in .223, only lackluster accuracy with the Montanas in general. I am somewhat unsure about the whole thing, what with ultralight rifles being a little more demanding of the shooter's technique, and everybody on the internet being capable of 1/4 minute accuracy under field conditions. Was hoping to flesh out the mentioned concerns about all the rifles in question with folks who have first hand experience with them. I have been hunting everything with my 1941-vintage Model 70 in '06, and as such have little knowledge of the latest and greatest in lightweight bolt rifles.
At least you needn't fake ignorance...so you've got that "going" for you. This will be hilarious!
Things that look "fast",simply is and BC is simply speed. BC increases are afforded by projectile length increases,which mandate twist increases and increased COAL latitudes,nicely frosts those constants as per enhanced options.
Let's muse the 1-9" 223 Montucky a smidge(punched 223AI of course). As per always,the issued 223 box is scaled AR-esque in it's "latitude"(all Manufacturers are guilty of this and it's hardly a Kimber "plight"). That despite it being twisted to afford greater BC's to kiss it's issued throat,at a greater COAL than allowed over the counter. No thang.
Mine is throated to kiss thusly. Left to Right: 50gr V-Max,75Hornie BTHP,75S2,75A-Max. BC's run the gamut from the 50's .242 to the 75's .435.
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No thing to move the mag shim,shorten bolt stop and radius ejection port ala Weatherby and the like. That to assure f/f of the greatly increased COAL round(s).
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The .435 BC launched from a 22" spout at 3150fps simply CRUSHES schitt on a level that you simply can't fathom...though it do add to the humor.
Can't wait for you to cram another foot in your yap,this will be fun!.....................
Johnny ...nearly everyone is blowing out Nikon Prostaffs for about $119..
Cheap and ugly enough???
Might be.. This is going to be my "two bagger" truck gun..
Swampman says the Prostaff is "BEST IN THE WORLD!"
Yeah...nice touch on the port....
Better than that....................(grin)
Laffin'.
I'm in the unique position,that ALL the Window Lickers wanna try and know me up on stuff.
Cracks me up!....................
Stick,
Great pictures, and interesting surgery done on the little Kimber. I built my 223 AI on SA Rem 700 with Seekins DBM that rates a bullet up to 2.6" COAL, Brux 1-8" barrel, and 75 gr Amax.
But little Kimber does have me thinking performance in a lighter, smaller package. Rates more than a think......
Also liked your comments on high BC bullets....
Put another way: Velocity is a wasting asset, but BC is forever...
Tanks for the slide show...
Bob
Stick-
Who did the AI on your Montana?
Laffin'.
I'm in the unique position,that ALL the Window Lickers wanna try and know me up on stuff.
Cracks me up!....................
Wow. For the record, I never tried to "know you up" on anything. I asked for the information you so obviously thought I needed, since I am always interested in learning something new. That is a trait common to folks who don't figure they have learned it all already. A side benefit of that trait is that we can usually answer a question without being an ass about it.
I am still waiting to hear how "simply crushing schitt" puts any more meat on the table than just killing it. And as far as the humor factor, killing an animal doesn't really have a laugh factor here(although there are some folks whose demise has been known to make me chuckle). As long as the animal dies(and the more humanely the better), I figure the bullet did its job. Humor doesn't enter the equation. Generally speaking, I have found that only juveniles and those trying to compensate for other deficiencies find humor in doing more damage than necessary to pot an animal.
As for the information given, the pictorial was nice, but the text left a bit to be desired. BC does not simply equal speed. It does usually equal higher weight, and requires a faster twist to stabilize it. Although the higher weight does maintain more velocity at long range, faster twist barrels are often slower, and higher bullet weight equals less initial velocity if you give a tinker's damn about pressures. So simply saying that "BC equals speed" would be less than the full truth, especially if I were a noob "Window Licker", as you so eloquently put it. Might want to ease up on the smartass a bit, we aren't all in your fan club, and that sure ain't no way to grow it...
faster twist barrels are often slower
hanging curve ball..
It's sad that someone that has a little knowledge on something can't share it without being such an ass. He's a hard one to figure out? If you watch him on his little videos you can see his insecurities.
sorry Rancho you posted to fast for me
Great varmit round. Works just fine as a battle rifle, been there done that got the retirement. For me not a deer round. Will it work yes, will it wound, yes. A good shot will easily kill a deer, so will a 22LR. For myself I prefer something a bit larger. Seen way too many wounded deer, small caliber no penitration huge shoulder wound, gut shot etc. If you can handle it hit correctley, then fine. Not legal in a states as a deer rifle.
Not legal in a states as a deer rifle.
legal in my state...
Legal in mine, too. And used often, and to good effect, with the newer bullets.
The Remmy puts food on American tables. It's a good rifle.
Legal in mine, too. And used often, and to good effect, with the newer bullets.
I've talked to some people that have hunted smaller hogs using the 60gr Nosler Partitions in a .223, and them seem to have good results.
With careful shot placement that same load would probably work fine on deer sized game (where legal).
i have nothing against the 60 gr NPT, 'cept i have never got it to shoot very well in any of my rifles. i gave up on it.
Gys, I have been reading a lot of posts bragging about the .223's effectiveness on deer, and am thinking about getting one for my girls to hunt with. I may well use it the rest of the year as a walking varmint gun, too. So the thought is to keep it as light as possible, preferably short, but accurate and reliable. Now for the hard part. I hear guys bragging about the CZ, the Kimber, the Tikka, and the Remington M7. I also hear that the M7 has some reliability issues in this caliber, the Kimber has accuracy issues, and the CZ has a 1 in 12 twist. The Tikka has a plastic magazine. So which is the best option here? I plan to use the 53gr. TSX for deer, and 40-55gr. BT's for coyotes and such. Mainly looking at a <300yd. gun for lots of carrying and a few shots here and there. I like Sts./Syn., but can deal with blue and wood, really want to keep the gun under 7lbs. all up and get MOA accuracy at least. Tall order? What do you think?
Whenever Tikka is mentioned by naysayers - the "plastic" clip is mentioned.
It seems to me that the next question should logically be - "Have you ever heard of a Tikka clip not working properly?
My first choice would be a Sako.
My second choice would be a Tikka.
300STW has a T3 in 223 in the classifieds...
Dober
Wow. For the record, I never tried to "know you up" on anything. I asked for the information you so obviously thought I needed, since I am always interested in learning something new. That is a trait common to folks who don't figure they have learned it all already. A side benefit of that trait is that we can usually answer a question without being an ass about it.
I am still waiting to hear how "simply crushing schitt" puts any more meat on the table than just killing it. And as far as the humor factor, killing an animal doesn't really have a laugh factor here(although there are some folks whose demise has been known to make me chuckle). As long as the animal dies(and the more humanely the better), I figure the bullet did its job. Humor doesn't enter the equation. Generally speaking, I have found that only juveniles and those trying to compensate for other deficiencies find humor in doing more damage than necessary to pot an animal.
As for the information given, the pictorial was nice, but the text left a bit to be desired. BC does not simply equal speed. It does usually equal higher weight, and requires a faster twist to stabilize it. Although the higher weight does maintain more velocity at long range, faster twist barrels are often slower, and higher bullet weight equals less initial velocity if you give a tinker's damn about pressures. So simply saying that "BC equals speed" would be less than the full truth, especially if I were a noob "Window Licker", as you so eloquently put it. Might want to ease up on the smartass a bit, we aren't all in your fan club, and that sure ain't no way to grow it...
Thank you! You have to understand Slick and his followers logic which is, shoot the heaviest/highest bc bullet for the caliber you can. It's almost always the 75 gr Amax.
What they can't get through their minds is "There is no free lunch". Shooting heavier bullets means less velocity. Faster twist = less velocity. In the end I find it highly doubtful the 75 gr out performs the 55 gr bullet at all in practical use. It's not moving as fast but has the ability to stay in motion longer, it's heavy and has a trajectory of a rainbow.
Now someone will cite how great the .223 is shooting long distance matches with heavy bullets. Sure it goes far, but it's killing paper with unspectacular velocity and energy.
They can crunch numbers on software all day but it's on paper.
What next, a .223 shooting a 200 gr bullet with a bc of 590 at 900 fps in a rifle with a 1-4" twist? That gets my interest. NOT!
[quote=Maxvelocity]
Faster twist = less velocity. /quote]
This is an ole wive's tale/BS.
Ok, had decided to pick up a 223 after the new year, was just gonna handle some, see what I like to handle, leaning towards a Ruger since that's what I mostly shoot, now starting to read all this and all the decisions on what to get, CRAP!!! I just need to step away from the fire... (like that will happen!)
Wow. For the record, I never tried to "know you up" on anything. I asked for the information you so obviously thought I needed, since I am always interested in learning something new. That is a trait common to folks who don't figure they have learned it all already. A side benefit of that trait is that we can usually answer a question without being an ass about it.
I am still waiting to hear how "simply crushing schitt" puts any more meat on the table than just killing it. And as far as the humor factor, killing an animal doesn't really have a laugh factor here(although there are some folks whose demise has been known to make me chuckle). As long as the animal dies(and the more humanely the better), I figure the bullet did its job. Humor doesn't enter the equation. Generally speaking, I have found that only juveniles and those trying to compensate for other deficiencies find humor in doing more damage than necessary to pot an animal.
As for the information given, the pictorial was nice, but the text left a bit to be desired. BC does not simply equal speed. It does usually equal higher weight, and requires a faster twist to stabilize it. Although the higher weight does maintain more velocity at long range, faster twist barrels are often slower, and higher bullet weight equals less initial velocity if you give a tinker's damn about pressures. So simply saying that "BC equals speed" would be less than the full truth, especially if I were a noob "Window Licker", as you so eloquently put it. Might want to ease up on the smartass a bit, we aren't all in your fan club, and that sure ain't no way to grow it...
Thank you! You have to understand Slick and his followers logic which is, shoot the heaviest/highest bc bullet for the caliber you can. It's almost always the 75 gr Amax.
What they can't get through their minds is "There is no free lunch". Shooting heavier bullets means less velocity. Faster twist = less velocity. In the end I find it highly doubtful the 75 gr out performs the 55 gr bullet at all in practical use. It's not moving as fast but has the ability to stay in motion longer, it's heavy and has a trajectory of a rainbow.
Now someone will cite how great the .223 is shooting long distance matches with heavy bullets. Sure it goes far, but it's killing paper with unspectacular velocity and energy.
They can crunch numbers on software all day but it's on paper.
What next, a .223 shooting a 200 gr bullet with a bc of 590 at 900 fps in a rifle with a 1-4" twist? That gets my interest. NOT!
Wow, you are a dumb [bleep]. Please tell me more about what you haven't a clue.
Steelie, sent you a PM...
Wow, you are a dumb [bleep]. Please tell me more about what you haven't a clue.
Ah, buffoon #2! If stupidity were pain you'd cry all day long.
Have you ever ever taken the time to read a loading manual? Go read one you may learn something, but I doubt it. Bullets are designed for different purposes and different game. Picking a bullet for a task strictly on bc shows your stupidity. Go back to the trailer and your tire swing.
What exactly qualifies you as a ballistics expert!
Doing it and not reading about it. With any luck you'll move past Playboy one of these days and stop humping everyone's leg.
I would, but we rented out the trailer to some piece of [bleep] family with a stack of Field & Stream magazines and their dipshitt son with hairy palms.
Tikka T-3 Lite shooting Sierra 65gr ProHunters does for me, what you are attempting to accomplish, in stellar fashion...
And meets all your criteria.
More Joehead69 gems
I was told the Swift isn't going to like the short action Savage, any truth there?
Can't believe someone can get the .223 to shot decent Bullets maybe? Haven't reloaded for it yet and I'm using Federal bulk ammo. I can tell you it don't like a windy day.
I bought the Savage in .223 to use in more densely populated areas, it has been a disappointment. I think the only draw this cartridge has is it is used by the military. I'd love nothing better to convert it to .220.
Easy choice for me, I'd never take a .17. The smallest caliber I own is the .223 and I like it. I wouldn't call it boring either, not with the accuracy that it delivers.
The .17 is not new, it's floundered for many years in the .17 Remington. And years from now I imagine the newer versions will be gone too. If you live anywhere with wind you'd be nuts to choose the .17.
If you have 600 rounds through those barrels shooting heavy slugs I can take a good guess what the throats and barrel above look like. Keep shooting.
Recently I started thinking about picking up a model 70 Stealth in .22-250. Can't find them. Plenty of .223 WSSM chamberings but I don't trust it.
This got me thinking. Winchester has a lot of failed rounds like the .225 and 6.5mm Mag. But would did they come out with that wasn't a failure?
And you REALLY can't make this [bleep] up, quoting a Field & Stream article. Keep reading load manuals and F&S dipshitt, compelling.
Sure will Big Stick. I work in a gun shop, have for years, and get to see what comes in the door to be sold on consignment or traded in. The shop also has a gunsmith. Many talks with the gunsmith about the guns traded in or to be sold on consignment has touched on the subject many times. Most of these show higher then normal barrel wear or throat erosion and in most cases they are fast twist such as 1:7.
Now, lets here your experience to the contrary. You probably work closely with firearms I'm sure. Or did I just hear a "Duh!" out of you.
I'M WAITING NOW!
Didn't care much for your sarcasm or your buddy Steelhead's. Oracles? Of what, stupidity?
In fact there was a nice article in Field & Stream explaining barrel twist. You should read it several times, it may sink in.
Some great material for one of those animated thingies.
Stick,
Great pictures, and interesting surgery done on the little Kimber. I built my 223 AI on SA Rem 700 with Seekins DBM that rates a bullet up to 2.6" COAL, Brux 1-8" barrel, and 75 gr Amax.
But little Kimber does have me thinking performance in a lighter, smaller package. Rates more than a think......
Also liked your comments on high BC bullets....
Put another way: Velocity is a wasting asset, but BC is forever...
Tanks for the slide show...
Bob
Noone loves speed,more than I.
That being said,boolits is reliably changing for the better and in broad brush strokes,that typically entails higher BC's. It is the greatest of Crying Shames,that the plethora of Today's .224" bores offered over the counter,are twisted in accords to 1920 projectile designs/forms. Though on the flipside,there is a myriad of killer boolits readily avaialable and setting atop every store's shelves in the same bore sizing,that can't be used in these exceptionally versatile chamberings. It's akin to Jeff-O and Swamplady calling the shots on Rifle design. Pretty funny,when viewed in context...though yet very sad.
NOONE has ever whistled a 75A-Max and said,"I wish it were a 40,50,60 or a 70". Ain't happenin',if only because they is THAT splendid. Get a kick outta them who've never seen/shot one,trying to Window Lick their way through that one.(grin)
I've Glen Metal on a 3-grooved PN 1-8" 223AI and think highly of it myself.
The Montucky is simply The Full Meal Deal,in that it'll do it all and then some. Only a 1-8" spout could sweeten it's blueprint...............
Laffin'.
I'm in the unique position,that ALL the Window Lickers wanna try and know me up on stuff.
Cracks me up!....................
Wow. For the record, I never tried to "know you up" on anything. I asked for the information you so obviously thought I needed, since I am always interested in learning something new. That is a trait common to folks who don't figure they have learned it all already. A side benefit of that trait is that we can usually answer a question without being an ass about it.
I am still waiting to hear how "simply crushing schitt" puts any more meat on the table than just killing it. And as far as the humor factor, killing an animal doesn't really have a laugh factor here(although there are some folks whose demise has been known to make me chuckle). As long as the animal dies(and the more humanely the better), I figure the bullet did its job. Humor doesn't enter the equation. Generally speaking, I have found that only juveniles and those trying to compensate for other deficiencies find humor in doing more damage than necessary to pot an animal.
As for the information given, the pictorial was nice, but the text left a bit to be desired. BC does not simply equal speed. It does usually equal higher weight, and requires a faster twist to stabilize it. Although the higher weight does maintain more velocity at long range, faster twist barrels are often slower, and higher bullet weight equals less initial velocity if you give a tinker's damn about pressures. So simply saying that "BC equals speed" would be less than the full truth, especially if I were a noob "Window Licker", as you so eloquently put it. Might want to ease up on the smartass a bit, we aren't all in your fan club, and that sure ain't no way to grow it...
You was thinking you had a clue,which you never did and likely never will...which is more than a touch funny. Gets even funnier,when you take a stab at quantifying just how stupid you are,which was more than a whole bunch glaring from the start.
Now you wanna stick to your "experience"(which very obviously is Kindergarten Level on the brightest of outlooks) and bask in robbing performance from a chambering,to quantify whatcha know as a Trump Card?!? Stupid never ain't stupid and you eloquently sum that up and succinctly. Gettin' a kick outta your trolling for Heart Strings,by singing the "humanely" angle in conjunction with the "cruelty" you imagination being associated with yanking the trigger on a great boolit,while wearing a grin. Can see you there with a 53 in the spout,wiping those Estrogen fueled tears of angst from your eyes,as you try to seal the deal on something Warm/Fuzzy. MUCH appreciate that "insight",as it's phunnier than [bleep]!
Your Ballistics Treatise was/is a riot too! You are in so far over your head,you'd think a Tikka with 53's was a viable route. Ooops!
Laffin'!....................
It's sad that someone that has a little knowledge on something can't share it without being such an ass. He's a hard one to figure out? If you watch him on his little videos you can see his insecurities.
Sugartits,a hug ain't gonna make you any brighter. Zip your lips and take notes...then steady same.
Thank me later.................
Great varmit round. Works just fine as a battle rifle, been there done that got the retirement. For me not a deer round. Will it work yes, will it wound, yes. A good shot will easily kill a deer, so will a 22LR. For myself I prefer something a bit larger. Seen way too many wounded deer, small caliber no penitration huge shoulder wound, gut shot etc. If you can handle it hit correctley, then fine. Not legal in a states as a deer rifle.
I'm ALL ears in regards to any/all woes you deemed "inadequate" in the field,upon Venison,due to a .224" of any chambering. Will happily muse that chambering in particular,it's twist rate(s) and boolit selection/performance.
Long way of saying,you are talking squarely out your ass....................(again)
i have nothing against the 60 gr NPT, 'cept i have never got it to shoot very well in any of my rifles. i gave up on it.
The only thing I've against the 60NPT,is it's terminal affects,relative Precision and BC.(grin)
64PP's trump 'em soundly and for 1/2 price.....................
Gys, I have been reading a lot of posts bragging about the .223's effectiveness on deer, and am thinking about getting one for my girls to hunt with. I may well use it the rest of the year as a walking varmint gun, too. So the thought is to keep it as light as possible, preferably short, but accurate and reliable. Now for the hard part. I hear guys bragging about the CZ, the Kimber, the Tikka, and the Remington M7. I also hear that the M7 has some reliability issues in this caliber, the Kimber has accuracy issues, and the CZ has a 1 in 12 twist. The Tikka has a plastic magazine. So which is the best option here? I plan to use the 53gr. TSX for deer, and 40-55gr. BT's for coyotes and such. Mainly looking at a <300yd. gun for lots of carrying and a few shots here and there. I like Sts./Syn., but can deal with blue and wood, really want to keep the gun under 7lbs. all up and get MOA accuracy at least. Tall order? What do you think?
Whenever Tikka is mentioned by naysayers - the "plastic" clip is mentioned.
It seems to me that the next question should logically be - "Have you ever heard of a Tikka clip not working properly?
My first choice would be a Sako.
My second choice would be a Tikka.
ONLY Tikka in their "infinite wisdom",would field a 1-8" spout,with 1-14" confines and offer same in a hard plastic wrapper.
You can mod the mags,but it's a bitch and you've still a Tikka between your mitts.
There's a Post here somewhere,denoting the conversion process that I did on a 223 TikTac.
Junk..............
Wow. For the record, I never tried to "know you up" on anything. I asked for the information you so obviously thought I needed, since I am always interested in learning something new. That is a trait common to folks who don't figure they have learned it all already. A side benefit of that trait is that we can usually answer a question without being an ass about it.
I am still waiting to hear how "simply crushing schitt" puts any more meat on the table than just killing it. And as far as the humor factor, killing an animal doesn't really have a laugh factor here(although there are some folks whose demise has been known to make me chuckle). As long as the animal dies(and the more humanely the better), I figure the bullet did its job. Humor doesn't enter the equation. Generally speaking, I have found that only juveniles and those trying to compensate for other deficiencies find humor in doing more damage than necessary to pot an animal.
As for the information given, the pictorial was nice, but the text left a bit to be desired. BC does not simply equal speed. It does usually equal higher weight, and requires a faster twist to stabilize it. Although the higher weight does maintain more velocity at long range, faster twist barrels are often slower, and higher bullet weight equals less initial velocity if you give a tinker's damn about pressures. So simply saying that "BC equals speed" would be less than the full truth, especially if I were a noob "Window Licker", as you so eloquently put it. Might want to ease up on the smartass a bit, we aren't all in your fan club, and that sure ain't no way to grow it...
Thank you! You have to understand Slick and his followers logic which is, shoot the heaviest/highest bc bullet for the caliber you can. It's almost always the 75 gr Amax.
What they can't get through their minds is "There is no free lunch". Shooting heavier bullets means less velocity. Faster twist = less velocity. In the end I find it highly doubtful the 75 gr out performs the 55 gr bullet at all in practical use. It's not moving as fast but has the ability to stay in motion longer, it's heavy and has a trajectory of a rainbow.
Now someone will cite how great the .223 is shooting long distance matches with heavy bullets. Sure it goes far, but it's killing paper with unspectacular velocity and energy.
They can crunch numbers on software all day but it's on paper.
What next, a .223 shooting a 200 gr bullet with a bc of 590 at 900 fps in a rifle with a 1-4" twist? That gets my interest. NOT!
A 1-8" 21" 223AI with 75's is the free-est of Lunches. Modest bearing surface(scoots easily),nice BC which retains speed/slips wind,killer terminal affects and reliably and a penchant to bughole into tiny knots.
Never did hear what you are shooting them in?
Laffin'!................
Ok, had decided to pick up a 223 after the new year, was just gonna handle some, see what I like to handle, leaning towards a Ruger since that's what I mostly shoot, now starting to read all this and all the decisions on what to get, CRAP!!! I just need to step away from the fire... (like that will happen!)
Bullets matter FAR more than headstamps. Think of that which is available and source a platform which will reliably extoll same.
I hear good things about the Montucky.......................(grin)
If I missed a Window Licker,I apologize...I've only had one cup of coffee so far this morning.................
As entertaining as this all is..I think I'll head to the store and look for some of those new 50 gr TTSXs....should shoot OK in a 1 in 12........
Call me an azz later......
I getta kick outta them that don't,trying to pretend that they do.
Can't see ever tiring of such "enlightenment"...................(grin)
Where's the link to the Tikka makeover?
Can't know.
As per always,Search is your friend. Been a spell,right as they were introduced................
I also hear that the M7 has some reliability issues in this caliber
What issues have you heard of? I've never heard of any, and sure haven't had any with any of mine in any caliber. My 223 only shoots MOA with no load workup though
Big Stick(really???), some day when you grow up you might figure out how to get an opinion out without acting like a sorry ass bully. We are a long way from third grade here, and I don't really care how much you got picked on, or how bad your home life was, if you can't put your OPINION out there without being a [bleep] about it, I guess any good information you might have will just have to be learned from another source. Life is too short for putting up with stupid bullshit from people suffering from recto-cranial impaction syndrome. See ya around.
Several folks on other forums I frequent have stated they have feeding problems with the M7 in .223. Don't know, which is why I am asking folks here for their firsthand experience with the mentioned systems. Glad to hear yours works fine. I like the new 7 Predator, for sure.
Big Stick(really???), some day when you grow up you might figure out how to get an opinion out without acting like a sorry ass bully. We are a long way from third grade here, and I don't really care how much you got picked on, or how bad your home life was, if you can't put your OPINION out there without being a [bleep] about it, I guess any good information you might have will just have to be learned from another source. Life is too short for putting up with stupid bullshit from people suffering from recto-cranial impaction syndrome. See ya around.
I was stating fact,which very much differs from opinion.
Funny how it took you so long,to realize just how stupid you are and how very little you "know". THAT is entertainment!
The quicker you zip your yap and take notes,the quicker you will actually learn sumptin'.
Thank me later....................
Several folks on other forums I frequent have stated they have feeding problems with the M7 in .223. Don't know, which is why I am asking folks here for their firsthand experience with the mentioned systems. Glad to hear yours works fine. I like the new 7 Predator, for sure.
I hear good things about the Seven in 223AI.
Just sayin'....................(grin)
Head,
I'm flattered that you took the time to look up my former posts. I wouldn't waste one second of my day looking at yours, never seen anything intelligent come off your keyboard.
In fairness...I'm all ears on which boolit mentioned "don't work" and exceptionally well.
Would love to hear about all of your "experience",in them regards..................(grin)
To be continued.....
Head,
I'm flattered that you took the time to look up my former posts. I wouldn't waste one second of my day looking at yours, never seen anything intelligent come off your keyboard.
Took about 7 seconds, all one needs do is type DUMBSHITT in the search box to find your posts.
Can't know.
As per always,Search is your friend. Been a spell,right as they were introduced................
Been a bit quiet at work today, so I've searched...and searched... and searched...through your posts back to day one of 24HCF, and nothing about you having used or modified a T3. (some other interesting stuff however).
Maybe AR?. Or maybe not?
Found this though:
13 June 2003 - Big Stick:
Sounds like the TRG-S recoil "lug". A joke,at best.
Wouldn't a sandwiched lug betwixt barrel and receiver be an easy fix?
Don't sound like I'm missing too much,bein' in the T-3 dark.......................
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/169521/2
Wow - DFC was on that thread...
You guys is pikers - DFC was king moron.
Can't know.
As per always,Search is your friend. Been a spell,right as they were introduced................
Been a bit quiet at work today, so I've searched...and searched... and searched...through your posts back to day one of 24HCF, and nothing about you having used or modified a T3. (some other interesting stuff however).
Maybe AR?. Or maybe not?
I seldom miss a chance to cuss Tikka's. How far back will "search" here,go back too?............
Wow, you are a dumb [bleep]. Please tell me more about what you haven't a clue.
Ah, buffoon #2! If stupidity were pain you'd cry all day long.
Have you ever ever taken the time to read a loading manual? Go read one you may learn something, but I doubt it. Bullets are designed for different purposes and different game. Picking a bullet for a task strictly on bc shows your stupidity. Go back to the trailer and your tire swing.
What exactly qualifies you as a ballistics expert!
If only to quell the deafening silence:
"In fairness...I'm all ears on which boolit mentioned "don't work" and exceptionally well.
Would love to hear about all of your "experience",in them regards..................(grin)"
And because it'll be funny to boot.................(grin)