My employer is bidding on a job in your neck of the woods, possibly a two+ year job. So, naturally, I think I need to build a Hoosier rifle! Mostly inspired buy Tom264's .358 WSSM. So, what's it take to get a Remington 700 up and running? Do you start with a standard WSM action? Block the magazine and bolt stop? Mag box/follower?

Rem 700 is harder to get to feed/function the short fat bastids. Go with a Model 70 WSSM action. Don't have to do anything with it.

My gunsmith actually has a 700 he rebarreled, and I think it's for sale...

I'll throw a pic of mine up here shortly.

Tom will be right over. He's painting a stock at the moment.

Finally got some crappy iphone pics of my new Winchester Hunter stock. 50/50 black/orange McSwirly. Rifle is a Model 70 Coyote CRPF WSSM action, with Douglas #4 barrel. 358 Indiana Deer Cartridge or 358 Short Fat Bastid as I like to call it...

I heard it's going to be a doozy too, even gayer than the last one....

Oh man, I love the black and orange swirlys.....

Yep, my first.

Pink with glitter and unicorns painted on it?

I've been wanting to get a black and orange mcswirly. I saw one the other day here with red in the mix and it was pretty cool too....

The only thing gayer is a gay pride parade.

Thanks, K7M.

I like how the stock turned out. Black and orange is all kinds of cool.

Where is tom anyway. Usually anytime someone mentions gay, he's all on it.....in a hurry like bricktop when it comes to shipping something.....

Or ingwie and leopard thongs...

Or like Ingwe when you say how sucky the 7x57 is.

yep. I'm digging your orange/yellow/black. If you could get a WSM action in there and slap on a 358 WSSM barrel, that would be schweeet....

Yeah, but don't use the phrase "sucky" around Tom though.....

Heck, another one just like it is only a few mouse clicks (and 14-16 weeks) away!

Off topic, but I had the last Mickey I ordered shipped out on Monday last week. That was the first time I didn't have one in the works for about two and a half years. Ordered another one yesterday (a KS in yellow-orange-black flame, like I intended the other one to be). That was the worst six days in a long time!

Did somebody call????

Laffin'

KDK, do you have any mcswirlys that will fit on my 7mm rem mag????

Yeah, it's on my .300. (Far right.)

Unfortunately I would have to agree with Marty on the Remington feeding issues, fortunately I haven't had the need for a follow up shot.
I am a Remington slut so I would still choose a Remington though over anything else and deal with the feeding by messing with it till I got it right which btw took me about 3 yrs to get it....he he he.
Anyway, do a 1-12" twist bbl around 22-23" really all you need and I also have a Douglas #4 too, my rifle has a TI stock and is fairly light and a dream to carry.
If you want pics I can be coaxed into it.

Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease







C'mon, man, do you think I'm gonna pass up rifle porn?

Ok, since you begged so grovely..... Lol


And she's seen some action too.

Thanks, man!

Your welcome.

Nice. I really like the looks of that stock.

Nice pics Tom, I didn't know Indiana even had a rifle season, I thought you guy's were shotgun/ muzzeloader only up there............Hb

All kindzakool right there.

A couple of FWIWs. I've heard/read of folks having good luck building 358 WSSMs off the Savage WSM centerfeed action. Just a barrel swap. Also, Match Grade Machine, and some others, will build an Encore barrel in 358 WSSM. With the change in the new law (allows for 1.8" max case length) a couple of folks are shortening a 358 Win, with the shoulder pushed back or shortening 35 Rems to use in bolt actions.

I'm still too poor right now to play with any of them, so am just spouting off about what I've read/heard...

We dont have a rifle season, we are shotgun/muzzleloader only.

But- Indiana made a law a few yrs ago that stated you could use a rifle if and only if it was .35 or larger and the case length was between 1.16" and 1.625" long......thinking they would outsmart us because very few cartridges fall between that catagory.

Anyway that is how the .358 WSSM was born..it is .35 cal obviously and the case is a .25 WSSM necked up to .35 and trimmed at 1.620", I dont think Indiana saw that one coming but couldnt do anything about it because it is legal by their laws.

I am sending a 225 grain Accubond at a smidge over 2400 fps and not breathing too hard.

Now this last year Indiana expanded that max case length to 1.8" but I am staying where I am because I dont think there is any advantage for me to change.

Tom:

I'm going a slightly different direction. Since the regs now allow 1.8 inch cases, at the suggetion of R. Mann, I am going to use a 35 Rem, trimmed to 1.8 inches (factory length 1.92 inches). We are calling it the 35 Indiana. I will not have to neck up or down, fire form etc and can still use factory dies. Using XP-100 load data, I should be able to get 2200 - 2300 fps with a 200 gr bullet. Enough for IN without too much fuss.

Mark Penrod is going to build the rifle for me. We are trying to match schedules to iron out the details. But will be a Rem 700 SA, likely a Lilja #3 at 22-24 inches (1 in 12).

Thanks for the info in the PM's.

Scott

Indiana wants me,

Lord, I can't go back there...

We've looked at trying the new 1.8" case but mine (actually called the 358 Indiana Deer Cartridge) gets 2,550 to 2,570 fps easily with the 200 grain Hornady and 48 grains of Benchmark.

Some other guys do another barrel off the WSSM case and push the same bullet to 2,700. Personally I'm fine with the 2,550. Gives me plenty of velocity and energy out to 300 yards.

I am going to get a box of the new 180 TTSX and the 200 grain accubonds just to see if they will work in the WSSM mag box.

One of my pards has good luck with TAC also, I haven't tried it due to the amount of Benchmark we still have.

Why not go traditional??


I'm hoping this year to whack a deer with my .62 smoothbore...

That would be cool

So you're the guy R. Mann referred to on his blog reply to me. Cool. Small world. I wonder if the shortened version of the 35 Rem would cycle through a lever action?

Though I'm guessing it would take some fiddling with the mag lips, but I wonder if something like this would make a 700 feed the WSSM better?

http://wyattsoutdoor.com/product_info.php/cPath/1/products_id/41

I'm sure I will catch the bug for 2,700 fps even though it's not needed.



I am building this rifle to prostest the stupid regulations IN DNR is putting out...and to have some fun. I can shot a full sized 35 Rem or 30-06 out of a 14 inch hand cannon but I'm restricted to a rifle with a case length of 1.8 inches. Just doesn't make sense.

Yep, same fellow. I would not recommend using the shortened version in a lever action, unless you were using standard Marlin 336 loads. Not sure how a 1.8 inch would affect accuracy. Maybe you could call that "Indiana Freebore"

SWJ,

How long of a bullet will you be able to use with the shortened 35 Rem case? Max cartridge length?

Thanks

Wonder how long before they let us use rifles......

Will have to talk to Pence about that...

Yeah.

OR close the loophole.

I don't think they will, as a matter of fact talk is.....we are getting closer and closer to rifles in certain parts of In

With the change to 1.8 I went in a different direction this year.

Working with only rifle bullets in the 180-200 gr range. Mark is very fond of the 200 gr TSX/TTSX and added some leade to allow the use. The max cartridge length is going to be around 2.5 inches, I believe.

Mark and I are meeting this weekend to get the details sorted out.

I got a box from Midway with Redding dies, Winchester brass and Hornady 200gr bullets for Mark to play with last night. I dummied up a cartridge, looks like a necked up 300 Savage. Seems small compared to my 7x57.

Woody, I thought about the same thing.

Woody are you a former taxidermist that works at a Marsh now?

SWJ, when you get all this done, throw some pics up.

+1

I bet we end up with defined zones. Something like archery, shot gun and muzzle loaders where the current Urban deer zones are and the rifles and hand cannons in the less populated areas.

Will post pictures and load data...and hopefully some dead dinks and smoothies...

That length will work much better with the TTSX and maybe even the 200 AB. I can get the 200 TSX in the WSSM mag box but not the TTSX.

Bet I could............ *Grin*

I am working on 300 savage rounds, I have had to size them from .308 Winchester because 300 savage brass is next to impossibe for me to find. I also have a lot of .308 laying around. I have trimmed the cases down to 1.8. I have been loading them for a Remington 788. When the weather breaks and I get some decent days to shoot I will let you guys know how it's doing.

Hey Ground Pounder I haven't seen any rule changes allowing .30cal bullets. As of now the minimum diameter is .357, with a max case length of 1.8". I've had good luck cutting down 35 rem brass to 1.79" and loading Hornady 200gr. FTX bullets to normal OAL. These cycle and shoot well in my 1969 Marlin 336. I took a 12 pointer this past season with this combo and after a hit through both lungs at 60 yards the deer took about 3 steps before he piled up.

Yeah, it's still .35

GP

Rebarrel the 788 to 35-300 Savage (a 35 ISHMA, I believe) and get a set of dies, then you would be good to go!

CJS


I am working on something very similar but in a SA 700. I had a custom reamer made with more leade than a 35 Rem so that I can use longer bullets like the 200 gr Accubond and TTSX's.

Can you do me a favor and measure the the length of a fired case and the case width at the shoulder? I trimmed mine to 1.79 inches also but I've recently remeasured several fired cases and they are 1.76 to 1.77 in length. The shoulder is also blown out some. I would like to know if the brass is undersized or if mine reamer is a little "improved".

Have you use a chrony on the reloads?

Thanks,
Scott

SWJ im at 1.8012 for overall length and 0.430 at the shoulder if I am measuring it at the correct spot. If I can be of anymore help feel free to send me a PM.



Casey

Okay guys, I apologize on the 300 savage. I have read what i wanted to read and have miss interpreted the actual laws. I enjoy trying to make the wildcat rounds and making them work. I appreciate you guys respectfully letting me know my error. If they change it to 30 cal we have an idea on where to go. I heard about the 35 and wanted to try to put more options out there. Keep up the good information guys, I believe we are the experts out here willing to do the grunt work on our personal time to make these rounds possible.

Casey:

Thanks, that helps. My fired cases are measuring closer to 0.46 if I recall correctly and you necks did get longer. Looks like I need to work do some fire forming of new cases.

Scott

GP:

Actually, you are not far off from a great round IMHO. I have always thought the 300 Savage was a better starting round than the 308 for an easy IN legal rifle. I was not able to find the info I wanted on the 35 IHSMA (essentially a 35 - 300 Savage)so went the route of 35 Remington.

Rebarrel with a Rem factory contour that measures around 0.66 at the length you want. Then find a reamer or have one made. Have some dies made and your good to go.

Scott

A 35-300 Savage is awful close to a 358 Hoosier, which is based off a shortened 358 Win. Dies, reamers, and quite a few gunsmiths to do the work are available. A quick google will turn up lots of info, especially that it's in the public domain.

That is a very cool rifle for sure!

BUT, we all know Tom borrowed that rig from a pard......I mean there aint one drop of rainbow anywhere to be found..

Laffin'
No rainbow for my good guns....
That rifle has since killed 2 more deer.

Man I love that rifle.