Here, anybody who wants to can send in results of selected powder/bullet combos in their own rifles. We want the average spread of three, 3-shot groups at 100 yards, and a chronographed muzzle velocity, if possible, along with data on your rifle.

Of course, if a load shows signs of high pressure in your rifle, don't keep shooting it! We'd also like to hear about that--and what results were with the maximum load that showed no high pressure signs.

So far, the loads nominated are:

.223 Remington: 26.0 Ramshot TAC, 50-grain bullet.
.257 Roberts: 46.0 H4350, 100-grain bullet.
.270 Winchester: 60.0 grains H4831, 130-grain bullet.
.30-06 Springfield: 58.0 grains H4350, 165-grain bullet.
58.0 grains Ramshot Hunter, 180-grain bullet
.300 Winchester Magnum: 75.0 H4831, 180-grain bullet.

Of course, nominations are open for other cartridge/powder/bullet combos.

JB

I just used the 58.0 Hunter/180 load last week to test some of the new Nosler E-Tip bullets for accuracy. The rifle used was my battered but still accurate NULA Model 24 with #2 contour, 24" Douglas chrome-moly barrel. The scope was a 3-9x Cabela's Alaskan Guide in NULA mounts. Average 3-shot group was .45"--not bad! Did not chronograph.

I've also used this powder charge in the same rifle with the 185 Berger VLD, and got groups of .38, 1.0, .35 and .38, for an average of .53. Don't know what happened to the second group, but suspect operator error--whuch is why I shot another two groups. Without the 1.0 the average would be .37. Muzzle velociy averaged 2862 fps, indicating the load might be a little warm with this bullet.

Also shot the same powder charge in a real nice pre-'64 Model 70 Winchester with a 4x Leupold FX scope. With 180 Sierra GameKings it averaged .53, and with 180 Nosler Partitions .81. Did not chronograph.

In a Sauer drilling with 6x32 Zeiss, the same load with 180 Sierra Gamekings averaged 1.29, with a muzzle velocity of 2811 out of the 25-inch barrel. This is as good as this rifle does with anything, so you can see why I have so far been impressed with Hunter and 180's in the '06. It seems to create a great combo of accuracy and velocity.

JB

30-06 Springfield: 58.0 grains H4350, 165-grain bullet.
Is 59 grains acceptable?..........

I nominate the 7mm-08 120 TSX 44gr. R-15 & 7mm-08 140 TSX 42gr. R-15.

Withdrew post.

Any STW's burning 7828 with 150 grain bullets?

ya need a +30 : how bout .338 or .375??

Sure, 59's acceptable. Powders vary some from lot to lot anyway, so all the suggested charges are "approximately."

I have some results on this one too:

NULA M24, various scopes:

58.0 H4350, 168 Berger VLD, 1.03 @ 2921
58.5 H4350, 165 Nosler Partition, 1.11 @ 2950
58.0 H4350, 165 Fail Safe, .97 @ 2841
" " Bitterroot, .83 @ 2904
" " Hornady SP, .79 @ 2893

VZ-24 98 Mauser, 24" E.R. Shaw barrel, 4x Leupold:

165 Barnes VLC, 59-H4350, 2.35 @ 3004 (did not like this bullet)
165 Hornady SP, 59-H4350, 1.06 @ 2840

165 Ball. Tip, 58-H4350, 1.06 @ 2884

Browning BAR carbine, 20" barrel:

165 Hornady SP, 57-H4350, 1.31 @ 2781
" 58- " , 2.31 @ 2806
" 59- " , 1.19 @ 2856

I'll volunteer the following:

.270 130 H4831 60 gr
.270 140 H4831 59 gr
.338 225 RL-19 72 gr
.375 270 & 300 Rl 15 (74 & 71 gr)


how are we going to organize the data so it's retrievable ??

Sure, we need a .338 and .375. Got any suggestions?

I have my own favorites:

.338 Win. Magnum, 65.0 Reloder 15, 200 Ballistic Tip
71.0 Hunter, 250-grain bullet

.375 H&H: 69.0 Reloder 15, 260-270 grain bullet
75.0 H4350, 300-grain bullet

Dependent on which rifle.....these below have 22 inch bbls:

270W, 58-59gr H4831, 150gr Ballistic Tip, 2900-2940fps, usually can keep 5 shots at 3/4 in or a tad less.

270W, 58-59gr H4831, 150gr Partition, 2880-2900fps, 5 shots under an inch.

243W, 43.5gr H4831, 100gr Partition, 2990fps, 95gr Ballistic Tips will keep 5 shots 1/2-3/4 inch, 100gr Partitions will run an inch or less.

I'll get to the others later on.........

Casey

I nominate the 308 Winchester with 165/168 grain bullets. Two combinations readily come to mind: 45-46 grains of Varget or 44-45 grains of Reloder 15.

.308 Winchester: 165 grain Accubond, 47 grains Varget, 2,777 FPS average out of a pre-64 Model 70 featherweight. 1/2-inch to 3/4 inch groups.

Or, 165 Corelokt's with 46 grains of Varget, 2,709 FPS avg, sub MOA out of Remington 788.

257 Roberts Ruger M77 Mark II UL with a 20 inch barrel, Nikon 3-9 (pre-Monarch)

Remington case, CCI 200, 47 gr H4350, Hornady 100 gr SP
Remington case, CCI 200, 47 gr H4350, Barnes 100 gr XLC

I've not chronographed either load yet, but the Hornady's group almost exactly 1" below the Barnes with the same windage. The X's group between 1" and 1.25" while the Hornady's stay closer to 1", often a bit less. These are the most consistent loads I've used in this rifle, after bedding and adding a bit of forearm pressure.

Just for the sake of simplicity, I'd think it would be easier to limit this thread to the loads orignally posted. Other threads could be started for other groups of cartridges. I could see this as sorta being a series, with this being the first. Give the members, say 2 months to get some data for 6 loads posted and then have a summary of the results. Then another 6 loads for a two month time period...etc. I think the data would be WAY helpful for folks looking for loads.


PS- This is Mule Deer's thing, but I'd be more than willing to generate a simple spreadsheet/database to 'store' the data in and help provide any analysis that would be needed.

M700, 30-06, 24" factory barrel:

H4350, Rem 9 1/2, 3.395 OAL, 168 TSX, WW case
54 2667
55 2735
56 2731
57 2774
58 2848 1.48" gross @ 100 yds
59 2940 1.16 gross
60 2949 1.38 gross

H 4350, WLR, 3.395, 168 TSX
58 2905 1.53" gross
59 2903 0.53" gross

H 4350, FED 210, 3.395, 168 TSX
59 2878 0.805" gross

Looking for my 165 Nosler data.........

Good Idea !! Was worrying about that myself!

JB-great idea, can we get some load info for my 7 Mashburn Super and Fat Bastid (aka my 338 WSM)...grins

Dober

STW also please

Here goes, for the 280AI: 160gr Nos. Partition and 60gr.of IMR7828 for 2950fps from a 24" barrel. This is a hunting load not a target load, but it does shoot guite well for me in two different rifles. Almost forgot, I use Winchester brass and Federal standard rifle primers.

Here's another plug for the .280Ackley Improved. Its Steve "dogzapper" Timm's magic load.

61.0 grains of H4350 and the Nosler 120 grain Ballistic Tip.

In my rifle (23 inch #3 Shilen chambered and fitted by Mickey Coleman) this load produced an average velocity of 3,323 fps and all groups thus far average around .350 at 100 yards with none larger than .500 and between 1.0 and 1.25 inches at 300 yards.

HBB

Here's a great load I struck on for the .350 Remington Magnum.

57.5 grains of VV N 140 and the 200 grain Hornady Spirepoint. Velocity from the 22 inch barrel of my Remington 673 averaged 2,566 fps and all groups hovered around 1 inch.

This is a mild to moderate load where the velocity could no doubt be substantially incresed. However, it is so accurate and the recoil is so mild (.308 level) I never saw the need for more powder. It should be a great close cover load for whtetails, etc.

HBB

I agree with those who suggest limiting to the original few cartridges JB nominated. If everyone posts every great load he's ever found, it will quickly become useless.

To carry out the original purpose, I'd suggest a separate thread for each cartridge/bullet/powder combination, as a "sticky" at the top of the forum.

I would second that. Otherwise we'll end up with the whole Reloading Forum in one thread.

I totally concur and was only joking about the rounds I mentioned.

This could be a cool thing that JB has started if it stays on track, which should be a heck of a challenge for the people around the "Fire"...grins

Dober

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Casey

Here you go MD, I am sticking with your original list.
.223 Rem 700 ADL rechambered from .222,24" sporter weight, 6.5x20 Leupold set on 10x.
26.0 TAC, WW case CCI BR primer 50 TNT-- 3129 FPS 1.5" avg. groups. Sorry 5 shot not 3 shot groups.

.257 Rob. Custom Mauser 22' barrel 3x9 Leupold on 9x.
46.0 H4350 Win +p case CCI200 primer 100 Nos. B.T. 3102 FPS 1.25" avg of 3, 3shot.

.257 Rob. Ruger #1B 26" barrel, 3.5X10 Leupold on 10X.
46.0 H4350 Rem. Case CCI 200 100 Nos B.T. 3232 FPS 1.5" Avg.
Same load with 100 Sierra Flat Base 3106 FPS .875" Avg.
Same load with 100 Hornady Flat Base 3147 FPS 1.188" Avg.

.257 Rob. Ruger M77 22' barrel 3x9 Redfield on 9x
46.0 H4350 Win +p case CCI 200 100 Nos. B.T. 2856 FPS Big Groups 2" plus. Very long throat in rifle causes low vel. and poor accuracy.
All velocity is instrumental at 12 ft. not corrected to muzzle.
I do not shoot any of the other calibers listed.
Also note that this is my 3rd different lot of Tac and all seem to burn slower than yours. I did increase the powder charge
and received better vel. and accuracy. Still working with it as accuracy so far is not as fine as with H335.

More on the .257 Roberts and H4350: Ruger M77Mk2 22" barrel, Leupold VX2 2x7x33

Win +P case, WLR primer, 46.0 H4350, Hornady 100 grain spirepoint interlock, 2.877" COAL for a .010" off the lands length.- 3050 fps average velocity 12 ft from muzzle measured via Chrony Beta master. 1.0" average for 5 shots.

46.5 grains gives 3120 average for 3 and the same accuracy from the above gun with all else the same. No pressure signs at all, very round primer, no more case head expansion than factory +P loadings which is virually nothing. I stopped here because it is everything I wanted from a .257 Roberts, I have a .25-06 if I need more speed or a heavier bullet.

I really like this load it doesn't cut clover leaves in paper but it slams whitetails. Haven't been able to keep one inside a chest to 150 yards- as far as I've had the opportunity to shoot deer with this load. The last deer was a nice fat corn fed doe at the 150 yards.

The other .257 Roberts load that really sings is 46.0 of H414 and the 100 TSX runs 3140 and 3/4 inch from this gun.

Nominating:
1) 300 WSM, 180 Accubond, 68.0 H4831SC, Fed 215M
2) 22-250, 50gr V-Max, 35.0 TAC, CCI 200

RR

JB,
The H4350 30-06 load is what my son shoots.
168 gr TSX, fed 210m primer, It's had days that have averaged .50-.75, but overall it averages just under an inch.
It's a Sako 75 with a 22 7/16's barrel, chronograph average of 10 shots 2754.

Only one I can help with.

Model 70 classic stainless .270win 24in barrel

130gr Sierra Pro Hunter

CCI 200 primer

59gr H4831sc

Ave. velocity - 3016

Ave. 100yd 3 shot group = .24 center to center.


130gr Barnes TSX

CCI 200 primer

xxgr H4831sc

Ave. velocity - 3150

Ave. 100yd 3 shot group - 1.12

John, Is that the same Mod 24 that "kicks"?

Dennis

Dennis,

Yeah, it is.

Dennis shot this rifle (once, twice?) while resting it over the hood of my pickup during a deer hunt here in Montana a few years ago. The load was Federal's High Energy with 180 Trophy Bonded, which averages around 1.4" for 3 shots at 100 yards, and chronos just under 2950 fps--sort of a .300 Win. factory load, but in a 6.5 pound rifle. It does tend to come back a little!

JB

Dober,

You should see some of the requests I get for load data on the loaddata.com site. Like, "I bought this rifle chambered for the 6.5mm/.348 Win. Rimless Improved," and your site has no data. What gives?"

JB

To everyone,

This is supposed to be a test of rather common loads in rather common calibers. If we let every favorite load in, it defeats the purpose of the thread. So sorry, no more IMR 7828 with 150's in the 7mm STW (which from what I gather is just about dead as a factory round these days) or .350 Remintgton Mag loads (breathing a little more than the 7mm STW but not much).

What we are trying to find out if there are "accuracy loads" for common chamberings.

JB

JB, does the H-4350 load need to stay at 58 grains,My standard load is 59 Grains is this acceptable?

jwp: Ditto that load; what are you getting?

Do I understand the rules to be we gotta use MD's loads listed at the beginning of this thread?

I have a 26 3/4" Krieger barreled Pre-64 and it gets 3020FPS the same load out of my Brother's Stock M-70 classic gets 2900 fps.....

I'm a hair under 2900 from a 22" p64 FW. 165 Sierra's.

John,

I am going to join in for the .30-06. I will run some 165gr. Gamekings over H4350 this week, and when I have a couple dollars available, I will do the 180gr Partition over Hunter.

Should we be seating these to a specific depth, or is that up to us?

I don't know if there would be much interest in this one, since it isn't a hunting load, but rather a straight accuracy load. It's the most accurate load I have found out of my hunting rifle, and I use it for practice, since I can be sure any bad shot is a fault of my form rather than the load. 57gr of H-4350 and 175gr Sierra Matchking.

Gee, point out the fact that I still need to get a chrony!! (Why does my Todo list get pushed behind the honeyDo list?!?! - Oh Well)

I worked up a great load accuracy wise using 58.5 grs of Hunter under a 180 gr Nosler PP with Win brass out of my Model 70. No pressure signs. Stopped because group sizes were consistently around .75 to 1 inch. It will be interesting to see what data gets posted for this load.

John(Dog)

257 Roberts, NULA, 24" barrel, WW brass and CCI 200 primers:

100 grain Ballistic Tip, 46gr. H4350, 3095 FPS, .848 (3 shot group)
115 Ballistic Tip, 43 gr. H4350, 2988 FPS, .564 ( 5 shot group)


308 Win., Remington Ti, 22 barrel, Lapua brass & CCI 200 primers

165 Nosler Partition, 44 RE15, 2670 FPS, .349 (3 shot group)
165 Hornady FB, 44 RE15, 2688, .325 (3 shot group)

Group sizes are an average of at least three groups, except the Hornady 165 which is only two groups.

After Rick heals up, perhaps he can put up a room for everyone to contribute their favorite loads by cartridge. CP.

MD:

I think someone recently asked if we could do this based on your "loads that work" articles, and I'm all up for that.

Two of your personal rifles that you've mentioned several times in your articles are chambered in 7x57 and .308, so if you'd like to edit-in those to the top post in this thread, I'd love that.

And, uh, well, I have rifles in those two calibers. Thanks!

- TJM

Basing it on the "Loads That Work" article might make it a little unwieldy. Let's stick to the original list for now, and see where we end up. I suspect we'll end up with plenty of results just from those!

If more combinations seem justified down the line, we can start another thread.

To somebody else who asked, these loads are "approximate," since powder varies some from lot to to, and different bullets create different pressures.

JB

Mule Deer,

From the sound of it, I'd say that your NULA 30-06 would be pretty much an anything rifle for non biting/stomping/etc. critters. I couldn't be a gun writer and have it because I'd never want to fool with anything else....well maybe.

John,

I do not have the chorny data for you. This is on my 'do list'. But here are the results for the 30-06 load, which you were kind enough to pass along to me last summer.

Rifle: Kimber 30-06
Norma brass, 210 Federal primer, 58.0 grains of H-4350:

165 Interlock: 1 each of 10 shot group - 1.050", average of 4 each of 5 shot groups - 3/4"
165 Interbond: 5 shot groups average about an inch but could never get rid of the occasional flyer.

The load was more accurate with IMR 4350 than with H-4350 but I decided against using it because of the wide swing in temperatures that I hunt in. Repeatability was more important to me than the small increase in accuracy.

Thanks,
Will

Win M70 30-06
Stainless classic 24" barrel

Win brass
CCI 200
59 gr H4350
165 Hornady Interbond
2925 FPS avg
5 shot groups avg 0.789
The same load will shoot 150 SSTs into around 0.525 avg

I took my chronograph to the range this morning, the 30-06 load listed on the first page, 58 grs of H4350, fed 210m primer, ww brass, 165 hornady spirepoint 2843, 2843, 2839, .80, 1.10, .76. All from my son's Sako 75 Hunter.

JB

Interesting you know part of the answer due to 30-06 and 308 being used at Camp Perry for so many years. There are some very reliable loads that are accurate in every gun of that caliber I've shot.

Same goes these days for 223- haven't seen a gun with proper twist that wno't dink 25.0 Varget and 69 sierras into a good group safely.

This will dig up some good info.

Unfortunately I've none of your requested calibers and bullet combos to play with. Sorry.

Good luck, Jeff

Well I can contribute to the .257 and .270. My 223 is on a steady diet of Benchmark and has about 9 lbs to go before I switch, if I do.
Ruger .257 22", 46-H4350-100 Hornady. 1.25-1.5" at just over 3000 fps. Rifle is legitemate 1" with 75 Sierras over H4895 and about 1.25" with 115 partitions and 44-H4350 for about 2800.

2nd Ruger .257 22", This one was about 1.5" with the 46-H4350 load at 3034 fps. Also very accurate with the 75 Sierras.


Same rifle with new Douglas barrel. Under 3/4" with the 46-H4350-100 Hornady load. Haven't gotten the chrono out yet for this one.
Interesting that neither factory barrel would shoot an inch with the 100 bullets, but the 1st would do it with 115-117 bullets. Both were under an inch with the 75's. To add to the database, 46 Hunter gave nearly identical velocities and accuracy with the 100's in both rifles.

Rem.700 BDL in B&C stock. Used the 60 H4831-130 Hornady load for over 30 years with 1" loads the norm. Never owned a chrono in those days.
Same rifle with 22" Pac-Nor barrel. These days I use 59-H4831SC-130 Hornady as I just don't feel the need for the extra bit of speed where I hunt. Load gives 3/4 or under groups at 2904 fps, 12 SD.

MD, do yu want us to post results on this thread ?? (Reading through this it looks like you ought to hire a CPA to tabulate the data)

I hope to have FOUR .270 rifles data-fied before the end of the week...

Might be easier to have a .270 thread,.30,etc. at least you wouldn't have to sift through as much.

In case you haven't figured it out yet: my personality type is ISTJ......

Hello All
Have just one load for this list and my neighbor will probably use it bear hunting in Aug. His 77MkII 22" 30-06 has put 3 165gr Grand Slam's into groups as small as .422@ 50yds and averages .440 @ 50 yds driven by 58.5gr H4350 in Rem. brass and CCI 200's giving 2810fps.
nelson

Utahlefty--

Hey, it's just cyberspace. It's not like it's REAL space.

JB

Model 700 CDL .30-06 with factory 24" barrel free floated by a gunsmith and trigger lightened to 42 ounces.

58 grains of H4350, CCI LR primer, 165 Sierra BTSP Gameking.
2820 fps. I don't recall the EXACT average group size, but it's right at an inch.

I went back thru my reloading logs and found the following loads for the .257 Roberts (circa 1996-1997).



Rifle Info: 700ADL long action with a 26 inch #3 Shilen CM barrel finished at 26 inches. The stock was a Ramline (glassbedded). It was topped with a 2.5-10x40 Bausch &Lomb Elite in Weaver mounts.


Load #1: 90 grain Barnes XBT 48.0 grains of RL 19 Winchester +P cases and Winchester LR primers.

Velocity: 3,240 fps.
Accuracy: .635 avg. 3 shots @ 100 yards


Notes: This bullet coppered the bore very heavily, a real PIA to get clean. I shot one small doe (100-110 lbs live weight) at 130 yards from a big box stand with this load. The bullet performance was TERRIBLE. The deer barely reacted to the shot and dove off into the swamp (I was hunting in Northhampton County, NC in the Eastern coastal plain). I found only two small drops of blood (roughy the size of nail on my pinky finger) where she was standing when I shot, then nothing.

The swamps and thickets in this area are so thick and overgrown you must see them to truly understand how rough they are. The fellow on whose property I was hunting had a big yellow Lab that had been especially trained to track deer so we put Dixie on the trail and she proceeded to track the doe. About 600 or 700 yards (mostly crawling on our bellies and hoping we didn�t run foul of a water moccasin or rattler) into the swamp she found the deer laying in an old blow down still very much alive. My buddy John finished her off with a 125 grain jacketed hollowpoint from his Ruger Blackhawk .357 behind her ear.


The post mortem revealed that the shot had been true, behind the shoulder and thru the lungs. It appeared the bullet did not expand at all. There was a .25caliber entry hole and 25 caliber exit hole. It looked for all the world like someone had run the deer thru with a drill bit.


Had I not had a tracking dog I would have lost this deer. I know it�s only an example of one but it was this experience that soured me on Barnes X- bullets for use on the deer I hunt. I haven�t used one since and have no plans to change any time soon.


Load #2: 115 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip 45.0 grains of RL 19 same case and primer as load #1.

Velocity: 2,925 fps

Accuracy: 1.25 inches avg. 3 shots @ 100 yards.


Notes: I only shot a couple of groundhogs with this load. It totally destroyed the pasture poodles


HBB

Here's the results of some experimenting I did with Reloader 25 in the .270 Winchester.

[Note: The following loads were safe in the rifles tested. If you use this data be sure to work up slowly and observe good reloading technique lest ye blast thyself to the big shooting range in the sky]


Test Rifle #1: SIG SHR 970 .270 Winchester (22 1/8 inch barrel) with 3x9x40 Bausch and Lomb Elite 3000 in Burris Mounts.


Test Rifle #2: Winchester Model 70 Featherweight (22 inch barrel) with 1.5-5 Weaver Grand Slam in Leupold Mounts.



Bullets Tested:

130 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip


140 grain Sierra BTSP

[Note: All loads used once fired Remington cases and Federal 215 Match primers.]

Velocities are from 3- three shot groups corrected from instrumental @ 14 feet from the muzzle. All groups were shot at 100 yards. Measurements are an average of three groups.

Range Conditions: 43 Degrees F. Partly Cloudy and Windy


Load #1: 57.0 grains of RL-25 with 130 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip


SIG SHR 970

Velocity Accuracy
2,702 feet per second 0.555 inches


Model 70 Featherweight:

Velocity Accuracy
2,685 feet per second 0.705 inches

Comments: Very accurate, mild load.


Load #2: 59.0 grains of RL-25 with 130 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip


SIG SHR 970

Velocity Accuracy
2,798 feet per second 0.555 inches

Model 70 Featherweight

Velocity Accuracy
2,774 feet per second 0.795 inches


Comments: Very Consistent/ accurate load.



Load #3: 61.0 grains of RL �25 with 130 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip


SIG SHR 970

Velocity Accuracy
2,871 feet per second 0.580 inches


Model 70 Featherweight

Velocity Accuracy
2,797 feet per second 1.127 inches


Comments: Another consistent and accurate load. Powder came to base of case neck, with mild compression. Any meaningful increase in the powder charge would require the use of a long drop tube.




Load #4: Load # 4 57.0 grains of RL-25 with 140 grain Sierra BTSP


SIG SHR 970

Velocity Accuracy
2,377 feet per second 2.011 inches


Model 70 Featherweight

Velocity Accuracy
2,400 feet per second 2.268 inches


Comments: Surprisingly low velocity with erratic swings of up to 325 fps in the SIG SHR 970 and 225 fps in the Model 70 Ftw. Poor accuracy.


Load #5: 57.0 grains of RL-25 with 140 grain Sierra BTSP


SIG SHR 970

Velocity Accuracy
2,631 feet per second 1.146 inches


Model 70 Featherweight


Velocity Accuracy
2,637 feet per second 0.725 inches


Comments: More accurate than the previous load. However, the load was still very erratic. Velocity swings of 125fps in the SIG 970 and 115 fps in the Model 70.

Load #6 59.0 grains Rl-25 with 140 grain Sierra BTSP


SIG SHR 970

Velocity Accuracy
2,747 feet per second 1.843 inches


Model 70 Featherweight

Velocity Accuracy
2,746 feet per second 1.283 inches


Comments: Powder came to the base of the case neck, almost a compressed load. Still displayed the erratic velocity spreads. 225 fps in the SIG 970 and 130 fps in the Model 70.

HBB

Load Data for the original calibers as Promised: from my dad & I

[color:#3333FF].257 Roberts Ruger M77MKII 22" bbl WW case, CCI 200, 46gr H4350[/color]
100 gr Hornady SP 2990 fps, group .8"
100 NP 3020 fps, group .75"

.270 Winchester Win M70 22" bbl 60 gr H4831
WW case, CCI 200 130 TSX 2970 fps 3"group
Fed case, WLR, 130 NP 2930fps, 1.4" group
FEd case, WLR, Hornady SP 2900 fps 1.0" group
Fed case, WLR, 130 Sierra 2920 fps, 1.4" group
Fed case, F210, 130 NP 2940 fps, 1.4" group
Fed case, F210 130 Hornady 2890 fps, 1.0" group

.270 Win Rem M700 22" bbl 60 H4831

130 Hornady WW case CCI 200, 2950fps , 1.4"group
130 NP WW case, CCI 200 2920 fps, 1.0" group
130 X, WW case, F210 2955 fps .75" group

.270 Win Rem M700 22" douglas barrel 60 H4831

130 NP WW case F210 2898 fps 1.75" group
130 X WW case F210 2940 pfs .7" group

.270 Browning Abolt II 20" bbl 60 H4831

130 TSX Fed case F210, 2945 fps .5" group
130 X , Fed case, F210 2920 fps 1.25" group
130 TBBC factory load 2945 fps 0.7" group

30-06 FN Mauser 22" bbl 58 gr H4350
186 gr Sierra HPBT RP case, CCI 200 2860 fps, .70" group
180 Sierra SPBT Win case, WLR, 2730 fps, .9" group

Let me know when you get to the bigger bores and I'll reall clog up the system

Shot the .30-06 180 Partition 58.0 Hunter load today. (Model 70 Stainless Classic 24" barrel)
First Group (New, Unplated WLR Primers)
2695
2747
2660
Average = 2720
Group Size = 1 1/4 Inches
Second Group (CCI 200 Primers)
2752
2736
2717
Average = 2735
Group Size = 1 9/16 Inches
Third Group (Federal 210 Primers)
2734
2726
2749
Average = 2736
Group Size = 1 Inch
That makes for an average speed of 2724 and an average group size of 1 1/4 inches (with 1/16 of an inch wandering around somewhere.) That is pretty much normal for my rifle and me to shoot. (I did shoot the 180 Partitions into 1/2 inch the last time out with 58.5 grains RL19 and Federal 210 primers.)
The kicker to all of this is that I shot a fourth group after I had shot the first three with the 58.0 Hunter load. The difference this time was Remington 9 1/2 primers. The three shots registered 2810, 2760, and 2622 (average 2731) and spanned 4 inches with no two close together. I did not feel that I pulled any shots, the group was fired right after the Federal group (shot the WLRs and CCIs, then let the rifle cool and shot the last two groups). That and the wide swings in speed of the last three shots leads me to believe that something funky went on with those rounds. Always something to keep a person wondering. Enjoying this and look forward to seeing things tabulated at some point. Best, John

If you ever go elk hunting you're set.

Time this thread runs its course and John gets it all buttoned up it will eliminate one of the most frequently asked questions: "What do you recommend for a good hunting load for my rifle?"

The thing that is surprising to me is that the 06 seems to have no trouble getting to book load velocities. Even in 22 inch barrels it comes closer than you'd guess. I am going to work up a load for the 7mm SAUM and I've been told that a lot of times this is not always the case with the short mags.

Will

These 223 loads were shot out my cooper, 24" barrel, These loads were shot as 5 shot groups. The best 3 of 5 are listed first and the 5 shot group is listed second. I have always been partial to Benchmark in the 223, but considering how TAC has performed I am switching. I did find that CCI450 performed much better than standard strength primers for me. I also included a 40 gr load that I was very pleased with.

TAC 26 WW 50 Nosler BT 0.28" .98" CCI450

TAC 26 50 Speer TNT 0.46" .76" CCI450

TAC 26 52 Sierra HPBT 0.1" .47" CCI450

TAC 26 50 Horn SX 0.53 1" CCI450

TAC 26 50 Rem PLHP 0.28" .44" CCI450

TAC 26 50 Nosler SP 0.39" .69" CCI450



TAC 28 40 Barnes Varminator 0.007" .48" CCI450

Rifle is a 1970's vintage Remington M700 BDL 30-06, 22 inch barrel. Rifle is stock except for free floated barrel. Load is 165 gr Hornady flat-base Spire Point, 58.0 grs H4350, Winchester cases, CCI 200 primers. Bullets seated to cannelure.

I shot three 100-yd groups for accuracy yesterday in early PM, about 85 degrees F, constant wind with gusts quartering from right-front--not the best conditions for an accuracy test, but that's how it goes. Velocity measured on a Chrony using identical ammunition during a previous session.

1.518"
1.274"
0.816"
Average center-to-center group size= 1.203"
Average velocity= 2746 fps

The 165 gr Nosler BT gives average 2801 fps in the same rifle with 57.5 gr H4350 and same other components. Limited accuracy tests suggest similar accuracy to Hornady SP.

Thanks for the opportunity to contribute!

.30-06 results, for two three-shot groups in each of two rifles:

165 Nosler Ballistic Tip, 58.0/H4350, Fed. 210M primer, once-fired Remington cases. Range temp about 80F, slight breeze but someone had a flag at the target line I tried to watch.

1. Pre-war Winchester Model 70, Leupold Vari-X III 2.5-8 set on 6X.

Group 1: 1.33", avg 2871 fps

Group 2: 1.47", avg 2877 fps (should have been smaller--I flinched on the last shot)

2. Mark X Mauser, Bansner stock, Bushnell Elite 3200 2-7 set on 6X.

Group 1: 1.38", avg 2812 fps (group size for best two shots only--I just recrowned this rifle and forgot to fire a fouler)

Group 2: 1.41", avg 2796 fps

I was interested by the consistency across the two rifles, despite my flubs. Usually, the M70 shoots better than this(especially with 180s) and the Mark X shoots worse (and usually only approaches these group sizes with 200s). I'll have to try the Mark X with some of its 200 Partition loads to see if the recrowning changed its usual performance.

John,
.300 Winchester Magnum,Mod.70 trued action,25" Hart #5 flutted barrel,Brown Precision stock, Jewell trigger,3-10x Swarovski AV,Talley fixed rings,Talley bases.
Lapua brass,Federal GM215m primer,180 gr.Nosler Partition Spitzer,83 grs. H-1000,COAL 3.385",.010" off lands.Oehler 35 chronograph at 15'.
Six groups of three shots.Temperatures ranged from 28 to 80 degrees.
3 groups of 3 shots averaged .726" @ 3080 fps,17 fps ES,9 fps SD
1 group of 3 shots was .500" @ 3087 fps,15 fps ES,8fps SD
1 group of 3 shots was .513" @3063 fps,ES of 21 fps,SD=10.6
1 group of 3 shots was .350" (82 grs. of H-1000)for 3062 fps,ES 13,SD 6
This load is very consistant in a wide range of temperatures,I just wish I could be!!
Jim

.223 results from Aug. '04.

Rifle: Ruger 77 MK II (standard sporter--this is my "practice rifle" that gets shot pretty warm, but was new at the time). Scope was a Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9X, probably on 9X.

These are from two range sessions; I may have epoxy-bedded the forend tip between the two, though if I did it doesn't show in the group sizes. I'll mark the loads for each session as #1 and #2. On the second trip, I shot a couple extra groups so I'll mark those 2A and 2B.

All results (unless otherwise noted) are from a single 5-shot group with 50-gr. Nos. BT, .030" off the lands, CCI BR4 primers and new Winchester cases.

26.0 TAC:
#1: 1.15", avg 3223 fps*
#2: 1.25", avg 3240 fps

26.5 TAC:
#1: 0.63", avg 3245 fps**
#2A: 1.39", avg 3298 fps (best 4 in 0.54")
#2B: 0.86", avg 3256 fps (best 3 in 0.16")

27.0 TAC:
#1: 0.69", avg 3408 fps
#2A: 1.07", avg 3338 fps
#2B: 1.05", avg 3321 fps

27.5 TAC:
#1: 0.89", avg 3458 fps (a little hot from a 22" barrel, so didn't try it again)


* Chrono error, only 2 shots recorded
** Chrono error, only 1 shot recorded

On the whole, I think I'd go with 26.5 grains. (It's pretty clear from the target that the biggest group included a flyer--high right in a grid square where no other bullets went that day.)

Here are my results for the .30-06, w/H4350 and 165gr bullet.

Rifle is a Weatherby Vanguard, .30-06, bedded in a Boyd's laminate thumbhole, w/ Leupold VX-II 3-9x40.

Load Data: 58gr H4350, WLR primer, new Winchester brass, 165gr gameking, COL 3.275".

Group #1: 1.1" (shots 1&2 touching, shot 3 left. I think I rushed the trigger)

Group #2: 1.393" (shots 1&3 touching, shot 2 left. I know I rushed the trigger)

Group #3: .572" (Shots formed almost perfect triangle)

Group #4: 1.724" (shots 1&3 almost touching, shot 2 up and right. Not sure what happened with shot 2.)

Average: 1.198"

I think I can shrink this a little; both shots that opened up the groups in groups 1&2 I called as not being perfect. Not sure what I did on group #4, but it really didn't feel right.

I loaded up another 9rnds, and I will shoot another 3 groups this week.

John,

Perhaps this will do, although, I'm running another powder these days...

http://www.geocities.com/bw_99835/

Mule Deer,

Results from this morning. Tikka T3 stainless/synthetic, Leupold 6x42 in tikka factory rings, trigger at 2#. 26.0 Tac and a 50gr V-Max gave an avg for 3 - 3 shot groups at .68 inches. I didn't measure velocity. This was off a portable wooden bench with approx a 10-15 mph breeze.

Jeff

5sdad,

Probably the primer was the problem. Ramshot powders (like most ball powders) generally need at least mid-range primers to ignite consistently, and often do better with magnums. The Rem. 9-1/2 is probably the mildest Large Rifle primer on the market.

Thanks again to everybody is participating. Will run some numbers whne the results realy slow down.

JB

Loaded up a set of three 180 Partitions and 58.0 Hunter with CCI 250 primers to see how they compared to the above. Battery on the Chrony decided that it was tired after the first shot, so I don't have speed numbers. We also decided to set up at 200 yards instead of 100, so my accuracy comparison doesn't fit perfectly either, but I did get 2 and 1/16 inch at 200 yards. Also just to throw in more data, I had 1 5/16 and 1 7/16 inch groups at 200 with 57.0 H4350 and unplated WLR primers with 180 Power Points. John

25-06 120 Hornady Hollow Point flat base 50.0 H4350.

7mm Rem mag 139 Hornady 68.0 H4831

7mm Rem mag 160 partitions 79.0 H870 (if you can find it).
Or same round with 65.0 H4831.

Looks like this has slowed down, so I'll report what's happened so far:

.223/26 TAC/50--Bluedot gave the most complete data, an average of .72 for 5-shot groups using various bullets.

.257/46 H4350/100--.89 for eight groups total, from various shooters. A load that works!

.270/60 H4831/130--1.0 for 18 groups. A special thanks to Utah Lefty who tried 15 bullets.

.30-06/58 H4350/165-8--1.0 for 11 groups in various rifles. Another load that works!

.30-06/58 Hunter/180--.94 for three groups by three shooters. Combined with the results I've been getting, this one looks good too.

.300/75 H4831/180--.59 for 6 groups in Jim Hundley's rifle with a #5 Hart barrel. Looks good!

I left out any groups that were excessively small or large (standard procedure in smapling). I also left out anything shot on a windy day, or off a bad rest.

I also left out all the stuff that didn't pertain to the test, and there continued to be a lot even long after we'd agreed to keep it to the original few cartridges and loads.

Thanks to all who contgributed. I do believe we have some fine loads here.

JB

MD, are you going to start a new thread with a second group???
maybe larger calibers??

thanks

Is there any room for a .280Rem and load?

59grs R-19, 139HornadySP, WLR Primer, Rem Brass.

#5,

We'll run that on mine and #3's, tho were driving F210's or CCI 200's on it.

You do the same with 59 H4831.

Check back,

GE

7mmEDC #2

from my model 70 fwt 30-06;

165 speer GS and IMR4350 58.0 gr. WW brass, win. primers....

5 five shot groups at 200 yds...
smallest group 4.8"
largest group 6.8"
average group 5.5

150 grain 30-06 loads please

I am reshooting the 165gr gameking 58gr H4350 load today. I will report what I get soon as I am done.

same M70 fwt 30-06,

180 partition... i have no ramshot powder, used 56gr of imr 4350... winchester brass and primers...

5 five shot groups again at 200..

smallest group 2.4"
largest group 3.2"
average group 2.7"

270 Winchester: 60.0 grains H4831, 130-grain bullet.

I am not sure how this thread is going but I get 3050 FPS with the above.

win 70 action, shilen 24" stainless tube, 130 hirnady spire points

Accurate but can't be specific without notes.

+1.

I would like some 150 gr. 30-06 loads.

.30-06 NULA M24, 24" #2 barrel

165-gr. Nos. BT, 58.0/H4350 (Rem. brass, Fed. 210M primer, .030" off the lands).

0.93", 1.68", 1.12", 1.40"

Average 1.28".

Vertical stringing/fliers on all but the last group. Any tips on bench technique?

270 winchester Weatherby Mark V
Winchester brass, 130 grain Accubonds, 58 grains RL22, Fed 210M, case length =2.539, OAL = 3.420 average 1.0 inch

Weatherby MkV lightweight sporter 30-06, 180 grain Hornady SST, 56.0 grains H4350: All groups less than one inch at 100 yards. Slightly modified forend applies moderate upward pressure on barrel.

Ruger M77MkII standard 6.5x55, 140 grain Speer Hot-Cor spitzer, 46.0 grains H4831: All groups less than one inch at 100 yards. Slightly modified forend applies moderate upward pressure on barrel. Trigger slightly modified to lighten pull weight.

Ruger #1A light sporter 7x57, 160 grain Speer Hot-Cor, 48.0 grains H4350: All groups less than one inch at 100 yards. Rifle is as-manufactured by the factory.

Remington M7SS 260 Rem, 120 grain Speer Hot-Cor, 46.0 grains H4350: All groups less than one inch at 100 yards. Barrel free-floated. Trigger adjusted to lighten pull weight and reduce sear engagement and overtravel. Magazine box and stock modified to eliminate mid-action binding. Magazine box and feed rails heavily modified to facilitate feeding.

Ruger M77MkII standard 7x57, 145 grain Speer Hot-Cor, 48.0 grains H4350: All groups less than one inch at 100 yards. Barrel free-floated. Trigger adjusted to lighten pull weight.

All of the above loads and rifles have been used to complete satisfaction on whitetail deer. I do not have chronograph velocity data. I do have targets but once groups shrink to under one inch, I don't usually measure precisely. With my propensity to shoot from supported field positions, my groups say more about shooting ability than the absolute potential of the rifle/load anyway. If I can put three in an inch while holding the rifle in my hands, both rifle and shooter are sufficiently capable, and that is what matters most to me with hunting rifles.

-

Old tang safety ruger 30.06 22"
Bedded and trigger done.

Winchester brass
Imr 4350 59.6g
Nosler accubond 150s (years ago I used Sierra GKs with equally good results)
seated .005 off the lands


well under and inch

Was searching for some loads and came across this - thought it may be good to bump it to the top....

John - HOW ABOUT THE NEXT GROUP SOME OLD MISFITS LIKE THE:
7X57
358
338-06

Powdr,

IMHO, the 7x57 is a no go due to variable throat geometries and action strengths ranging from Rolling Block Remi to recent 98 Mauser clones and Ruger #1's. Can't find enough gun to gun consistency for ANYBODY to propose a "universal" load.

Then again, just my specularcongugation ...

GE

Wow, this an old thread that has a lot of good info. I'm going to be working on 185gr vld in my 30-06 soon. Plan on trying Ramshot Hunter powder.

22"LH Rem 700 Rebarreled in a MTN take off barrel 30-06 57 Gr H4350 168 Gr TSX 3 shot group average of 5 groups .835" at 100 yards 2820 FPS

58gr opened group right around 1" 2880 - 2900 FPS

58 gr RS hunter 180 gr NP 5 shot at 3.1" 2752 FPS - 2716

In a LH Win 70 06 24" I sold 58 Gr H 4350 with 168 TSX 3 @ 1.36"

MD

I not sure if this counts but here is my rifle and load. Browning Lever Action 358win with 2 x 7 leupold scope. 48 Grains H4895,200 grain Hornady bullet and WLR primers. Groups 1 to 1 1/2 inches. Sorry I do not own a chrono.

My other rifle load is special load for M1 garand 30'06. It is 48 grains of H4895 CCI 34 primers and either Hornady 150 grain sst or Speer 150 grain sp. These group 1 1/2 to 2 inches with issue peep sight

John, don't have my load data book with me, but I recall using the 58/H4350/168 gr. TSX load which performed as it has for others. I've done the 58 grs/Hunter/180 gr. load with both the Sierra GK and the Nosler Partition again got accuracy right with what has been posted.
In fact, I've learned to just look up or ask what you've found with I buy a new rifle, like the .257 Roberts, or a 7-08, and try those. Haven't been disappointed yet.
Thank you taking the trouble. Helps out us old, lazy reloaders. E

Been a couple of years since Gaviidae_Esq posted.

Whatever happened to him?

With my Rem. ADL, 22 inch barrel I shot three 3 shot test groups. Load was 58.5 grs. H-4350, Fed. cases, Win. Primer, 165 game king. Velocity for 9 shots averaged 2875 - 2 groups barely under an inch and the other just over. Killed a decent 10 pt. last Dec. with this load at just over 100 yds. One shot behind the shoulder - DRT. Going to try the 165 Horn. Interlock next.

McMillan G-30 Legacy, 30-06, 22 inch Lilja barrel, Leupold 4.5-14x40 AO.
180 grain Nosler Partitions, 58 grains Ramshot Hunter, Winchester brass, Fed. 215M primers= .820" average of 3, 3 shot groups at 2822 fps.

175 grain Barnes LRX, 60 grains Ramshot Hunter, Winchester brass, Fed. 215M primer= .465" average of 3, 3 shot groups at 2845 fps.

Echols Legend Pre-64 M70, 270 WCF, 22 inch Krieger barrel, Leupold 4.5-14x40 AO.
130 grain Barnes TTSX, 60 grains H4831, Winchester brass, Fed. 210 M primer= .380" average of 3, 3 shot groups at 3125 fps.

130 Grain Nosler Partitions, 60 grains H4831, Winchester brass, Fed. 210M primers= .710" average of 3, 3 shot groups at 3142 fps.

You ought to get some "nice" rifles... Both those sounds like great rigs!

Thanks, they have both been great rifles. The Legend has been as good as you would expect and, while it wasn't exactly cheap, I have been very pleased with the McMillan Legacy. It is a fantastic rifle for the money.

Chet

Model 70 classic stainless .270win with a 24in factory barrel
58gr of H4831sc and a 130gr Nosler Etip
Winchester cases and Winchester LR primer.
Velocity 3120fps and very accurate in my rifle.

Model 70 classic stainless 300 Ultra mag with a 25" Mike Rock barrel.
Remington cases and a Federal 215 GM primer
98gr of Retumbo and a 180 Nosler Ballistic Tip.
3375 fps and very accurate in two of my 300 Ultras.

Big time, I kind of miss the dude.

Dober

The necromancer is busy again this morning I see.

Yes, long dead thread - but a useful one that may well deserve another life. I tried a couple of JB's .375 H&H loads. Here's one:

.375 H&H: 69.0 Reloder 15, 260-270 grain bullet

The 260 Accubond with 69 gr RL-15 produced 2620 fps and averages about 1.2" at 100 yards, with nothing over 1.5" - from a 24" Ruger Number One.

Does a fine job on black bear at 300 yards too...

I'm headed out tomorrow to test some 150gr .30-06 loads with H4350 - sorry no need for 165's on Texas deer!

Can we get a sticky with JB's recommended loads? Just a listing with some info, not a thread for everyone to post on. Could save JB some time so he wouldn't have to answer repetitive PMs.

That .30-06 load of 58 grains Hunter for 180 grain bullets makes me regret purchasing IMR4350. Thanks, Mule Deer, for speeding up my 180 grain development.

FWIW, cloverleafs today at 100 yards. But only a couple 3-shot groups, so not statistically significant enough to call it just yet. But definitely significant enough to kill deer in 2 weeks in Missouri.

I'd forgotten all about this ancient thread. As it happens, last month I finally chronographed a 4-shot group with the .30-06 load (165 Nos. BT with 58.0/H4350). This is out of my NULA .30-06, same specs as JB's. (I'd thrown the load together because the rifle arrived when I was in the middle of moving, which happened to be at the beginning of my last semester in law school for a double whammy.)

As it turns out, that load averages 2958 fps in my rifle--a good 80 fps above Nosler's published data for 1/2 grain less powder. In fact, I can't find any lab data with any bullet that gets more than 2900 fps with that powder and bullet weight in an '06--so I think it's fair to say this load is a tad hot for my rifle.

This may be partly because the NULA has a very tight chamber. When I checked my brass supply, I had a couple hundred cases I'd fired in a Mark X I recently sold. I tried using them in the NULA, but discovered they couldn't be resized enough in a standard FL die to chamber in the NULA; they had expanded about .003" more in front of the web than new brass fired in the NULA. (I calculated that buying a small-base die was cheaper than buying that much new brass, so they're happy now.)

As for accuracy, that 4-shot group was 1.58", comparable to what I've gotten before. But I've never fiddled with seating depth; since I have a lot of BTs left, that'll be a project for future range trips.

This is one of the best threads I've ever read.

More results for the .30-06/165 from yesterday's disaster epic day at the range.

All in a NULA M24, 24" #2 barrel. Below are average velocities 10' from the muzzle on a Shooting Chrony, plus group size. All averages and sizes are 4-shot groups. Range temperature was about 55 degrees, but felt colder because it's roofed and there was intermittent wind of up to 15 mph or so.

165 Nosler BT:

55.5/H4350: 2826 fps, 1.43"
56.5/H4350: 2880 fps, 0.91"
57.5/H4350: 2928 fps, 1.32"

165 Hornady Spire Point:

57.0/H4350: 2824 fps, 1.01"
58.0/H4350: 2948 fps, 0.67" (!)
59.0/H4350, 1.09" - no chrono reading due to direct sun on the screens, but it would clearly be hot.

All were in new, neck-sorted Remington brass with Federal 210M primers. Once-fired brass would likely have less runout and give even better accuracy.

As JB has noted before, there were no traditional pressure signs of any kind with any of these loads. It would clearly have been possible to reach grossly excessive pressures without knowing it.

For my own future use, I'm going to use 56.5 grains with the Ballistic Tip and 57.5 with the Hornady. I may experiment with seating depth for the Ballistic Tips since I have a lot of them.