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These 223 loads were shot out my cooper, 24" barrel, These loads were shot as 5 shot groups. The best 3 of 5 are listed first and the 5 shot group is listed second. I have always been partial to Benchmark in the 223, but considering how TAC has performed I am switching. I did find that CCI450 performed much better than standard strength primers for me. I also included a 40 gr load that I was very pleased with.
TAC 26 WW 50 Nosler BT 0.28" .98" CCI450
TAC 26 50 Speer TNT 0.46" .76" CCI450
TAC 26 52 Sierra HPBT 0.1" .47" CCI450
TAC 26 50 Horn SX 0.53 1" CCI450
TAC 26 50 Rem PLHP 0.28" .44" CCI450
TAC 26 50 Nosler SP 0.39" .69" CCI450
TAC 28 40 Barnes Varminator 0.007" .48" CCI450
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Rifle is a 1970's vintage Remington M700 BDL 30-06, 22 inch barrel. Rifle is stock except for free floated barrel. Load is 165 gr Hornady flat-base Spire Point, 58.0 grs H4350, Winchester cases, CCI 200 primers. Bullets seated to cannelure.
I shot three 100-yd groups for accuracy yesterday in early PM, about 85 degrees F, constant wind with gusts quartering from right-front--not the best conditions for an accuracy test, but that's how it goes. Velocity measured on a Chrony using identical ammunition during a previous session.
1.518"
1.274"
0.816"
Average center-to-center group size= 1.203"
Average velocity= 2746 fps
The 165 gr Nosler BT gives average 2801 fps in the same rifle with 57.5 gr H4350 and same other components. Limited accuracy tests suggest similar accuracy to Hornady SP.
Thanks for the opportunity to contribute!
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.30-06 results, for two three-shot groups in each of two rifles:
165 Nosler Ballistic Tip, 58.0/H4350, Fed. 210M primer, once-fired Remington cases. Range temp about 80F, slight breeze but someone had a flag at the target line I tried to watch.
1. Pre-war Winchester Model 70, Leupold Vari-X III 2.5-8 set on 6X.
Group 1: 1.33", avg 2871 fps
Group 2: 1.47", avg 2877 fps (should have been smaller--I flinched on the last shot)
2. Mark X Mauser, Bansner stock, Bushnell Elite 3200 2-7 set on 6X.
Group 1: 1.38", avg 2812 fps (group size for best two shots only--I just recrowned this rifle and forgot to fire a fouler)
Group 2: 1.41", avg 2796 fps
I was interested by the consistency across the two rifles, despite my flubs. Usually, the M70 shoots better than this(especially with 180s) and the Mark X shoots worse (and usually only approaches these group sizes with 200s). I'll have to try the Mark X with some of its 200 Partition loads to see if the recrowning changed its usual performance.
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John,
.300 Winchester Magnum,Mod.70 trued action,25" Hart #5 flutted barrel,Brown Precision stock, Jewell trigger,3-10x Swarovski AV,Talley fixed rings,Talley bases.
Lapua brass,Federal GM215m primer,180 gr.Nosler Partition Spitzer,83 grs. H-1000,COAL 3.385",.010" off lands.Oehler 35 chronograph at 15'.
Six groups of three shots.Temperatures ranged from 28 to 80 degrees.
3 groups of 3 shots averaged .726" @ 3080 fps,17 fps ES,9 fps SD
1 group of 3 shots was .500" @ 3087 fps,15 fps ES,8fps SD
1 group of 3 shots was .513" @3063 fps,ES of 21 fps,SD=10.6
1 group of 3 shots was .350" (82 grs. of H-1000)for 3062 fps,ES 13,SD 6
This load is very consistant in a wide range of temperatures,I just wish I could be!!
Jim
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.223 results from Aug. '04.
Rifle: Ruger 77 MK II (standard sporter--this is my "practice rifle" that gets shot pretty warm, but was new at the time). Scope was a Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9X, probably on 9X.
These are from two range sessions; I may have epoxy-bedded the forend tip between the two, though if I did it doesn't show in the group sizes. I'll mark the loads for each session as #1 and #2. On the second trip, I shot a couple extra groups so I'll mark those 2A and 2B.
All results (unless otherwise noted) are from a single 5-shot group with 50-gr. Nos. BT, .030" off the lands, CCI BR4 primers and new Winchester cases.
26.0 TAC:
#1: 1.15", avg 3223 fps*
#2: 1.25", avg 3240 fps
26.5 TAC:
#1: 0.63", avg 3245 fps**
#2A: 1.39", avg 3298 fps (best 4 in 0.54")
#2B: 0.86", avg 3256 fps (best 3 in 0.16")
27.0 TAC:
#1: 0.69", avg 3408 fps
#2A: 1.07", avg 3338 fps
#2B: 1.05", avg 3321 fps
27.5 TAC:
#1: 0.89", avg 3458 fps (a little hot from a 22" barrel, so didn't try it again)
* Chrono error, only 2 shots recorded
** Chrono error, only 1 shot recorded
On the whole, I think I'd go with 26.5 grains. (It's pretty clear from the target that the biggest group included a flyer--high right in a grid square where no other bullets went that day.)
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Here are my results for the .30-06, w/H4350 and 165gr bullet.
Rifle is a Weatherby Vanguard, .30-06, bedded in a Boyd's laminate thumbhole, w/ Leupold VX-II 3-9x40.
Load Data: 58gr H4350, WLR primer, new Winchester brass, 165gr gameking, COL 3.275".
Group #1: 1.1" (shots 1&2 touching, shot 3 left. I think I rushed the trigger)
Group #2: 1.393" (shots 1&3 touching, shot 2 left. I know I rushed the trigger)
Group #3: .572" (Shots formed almost perfect triangle)
Group #4: 1.724" (shots 1&3 almost touching, shot 2 up and right. Not sure what happened with shot 2.)
Average: 1.198"
I think I can shrink this a little; both shots that opened up the groups in groups 1&2 I called as not being perfect. Not sure what I did on group #4, but it really didn't feel right.
I loaded up another 9rnds, and I will shoot another 3 groups this week.
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John, Perhaps this will do, although, I'm running another powder these days... http://www.geocities.com/bw_99835/
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Mule Deer,
Results from this morning. Tikka T3 stainless/synthetic, Leupold 6x42 in tikka factory rings, trigger at 2#. 26.0 Tac and a 50gr V-Max gave an avg for 3 - 3 shot groups at .68 inches. I didn't measure velocity. This was off a portable wooden bench with approx a 10-15 mph breeze.
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5sdad,
Probably the primer was the problem. Ramshot powders (like most ball powders) generally need at least mid-range primers to ignite consistently, and often do better with magnums. The Rem. 9-1/2 is probably the mildest Large Rifle primer on the market.
Thanks again to everybody is participating. Will run some numbers whne the results realy slow down.
JB
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Shot the .30-06 180 Partition 58.0 Hunter load today. (Model 70 Stainless Classic 24" barrel)
First Group (New, Unplated WLR Primers)
2695
2747
2660
Average = 2720
Group Size = 1 1/4 Inches
Second Group (CCI 200 Primers)
2752
2736
2717
Average = 2735
Group Size = 1 9/16 Inches
Third Group (Federal 210 Primers)
2734
2726
2749
Average = 2736
Group Size = 1 Inch
That makes for an average speed of 2724 and an average group size of 1 1/4 inches (with 1/16 of an inch wandering around somewhere.) That is pretty much normal for my rifle and me to shoot. (I did shoot the 180 Partitions into 1/2 inch the last time out with 58.5 grains RL19 and Federal 210 primers.)
The kicker to all of this is that I shot a fourth group after I had shot the first three with the 58.0 Hunter load. The difference this time was Remington 9 1/2 primers. The three shots registered 2810, 2760, and 2622 (average 2731) and spanned 4 inches with no two close together. I did not feel that I pulled any shots, the group was fired right after the Federal group (shot the WLRs and CCIs, then let the rifle cool and shot the last two groups). That and the wide swings in speed of the last three shots leads me to believe that something funky went on with those rounds. Always something to keep a person wondering. Enjoying this and look forward to seeing things tabulated at some point. Best, John
Loaded up a set of three 180 Partitions and 58.0 Hunter with CCI 250 primers to see how they compared to the above. Battery on the Chrony decided that it was tired after the first shot, so I don't have speed numbers. We also decided to set up at 200 yards instead of 100, so my accuracy comparison doesn't fit perfectly either, but I did get 2 and 1/16 inch at 200 yards. Also just to throw in more data, I had 1 5/16 and 1 7/16 inch groups at 200 with 57.0 H4350 and unplated WLR primers with 180 Power Points. John
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25-06 120 Hornady Hollow Point flat base 50.0 H4350.
7mm Rem mag 139 Hornady 68.0 H4831
7mm Rem mag 160 partitions 79.0 H870 (if you can find it).
Or same round with 65.0 H4831.
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Looks like this has slowed down, so I'll report what's happened so far:
.223/26 TAC/50--Bluedot gave the most complete data, an average of .72 for 5-shot groups using various bullets.
.257/46 H4350/100--.89 for eight groups total, from various shooters. A load that works!
.270/60 H4831/130--1.0 for 18 groups. A special thanks to Utah Lefty who tried 15 bullets.
.30-06/58 H4350/165-8--1.0 for 11 groups in various rifles. Another load that works!
.30-06/58 Hunter/180--.94 for three groups by three shooters. Combined with the results I've been getting, this one looks good too.
.300/75 H4831/180--.59 for 6 groups in Jim Hundley's rifle with a #5 Hart barrel. Looks good!
I left out any groups that were excessively small or large (standard procedure in smapling). I also left out anything shot on a windy day, or off a bad rest.
I also left out all the stuff that didn't pertain to the test, and there continued to be a lot even long after we'd agreed to keep it to the original few cartridges and loads.
Thanks to all who contgributed. I do believe we have some fine loads here.
JB
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MD, are you going to start a new thread with a second group???
maybe larger calibers??
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To everyone,
This is supposed to be a test of rather common loads in rather common calibers. If we let every favorite load in, it defeats the purpose of the thread. So sorry, no more IMR 7828 with 150's in the 7mm STW (which from what I gather is just about dead as a factory round these days) or .350 Remintgton Mag loads (breathing a little more than the 7mm STW but not much).
What we are trying to find out if there are "accuracy loads" for common chamberings.
JB Is there any room for a .280Rem and load? 59grs R-19, 139HornadySP, WLR Primer, Rem Brass.
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#5,
We'll run that on mine and #3's, tho were driving F210's or CCI 200's on it.
You do the same with 59 H4831.
Check back,
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from my model 70 fwt 30-06;
165 speer GS and IMR4350 58.0 gr. WW brass, win. primers....
5 five shot groups at 200 yds...
smallest group 4.8"
largest group 6.8"
average group 5.5
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150 grain 30-06 loads please
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I am reshooting the 165gr gameking 58gr H4350 load today. I will report what I get soon as I am done.
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same M70 fwt 30-06,
180 partition... i have no ramshot powder, used 56gr of imr 4350... winchester brass and primers...
5 five shot groups again at 200..
smallest group 2.4"
largest group 3.2"
average group 2.7"
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270 Winchester: 60.0 grains H4831, 130-grain bullet.
I am not sure how this thread is going but I get 3050 FPS with the above.
win 70 action, shilen 24" stainless tube, 130 hirnady spire points
Accurate but can't be specific without notes.
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