I'm missing a fast twist 22 cal bolt rifle in my safe. The use would be a fun toy for medium/long range paper/steel at the range and in the hills. I'm sitting on a few thousand 77gr bullets. I bought a heavy 8 twist krieger blank on the forums. I have two "donors" I have in mind. The first is a custom Rem 700 in 308 that I just don't shoot much as I have a few 308s and the cartridge just doesn't do much for me anymore. I'm considering a 22-250 or 22-250AI chambering if I chose this rifle.



The second is a 70s or 80s benchrest 222 on a 6-digit Rem 700 that I dropped into an AICS as my "trainer". Super accurate with 52 nosler custom comp 2nds, a lot of cheap fun with zero recoil. I'm considering a 223 or 223 AI with this new barrel.



I'm looking for input as to what cartridge people would go with and also a smith to complete the project who people have had good luck with. And any other tips/suggestions for this project.

I love 22-250ai for deer but I'll never do again after having 223's and 223ai's. From now on I'll go 223 to 6mm no matter bolt face.

For a range toy a A-5 varmint barreled action is hard to beat

I'd go with a straight 22-250. Or sell the bullets and go with a 6mm as stated above.

I really love the .223 but the Ackley version with a fast twist turns it into an absolute monster with light and heavy bullets. Nipping at the heels of 22-250 and allowing you to see hits while cutting down on trimming, powder consumption and brass price puts it at the top of my list. It really is a little marvel that does way more than you'd think.

I'm a big fan of the 22-250 and an 8" twist.




Travis

Yeah, the 223AI will easily get to within 350 fps of what the standard 22-250 will do. GD

22BR is awesome!

That.

I have an 8 twist 22-250 and love it as well.

22-250 in 8 twist!

22-250 8 twist +1

I second the 22br take a look at it.

Since I had my 223 AI built, my 22-250 sits in the safe unless my son comes along and needs a varminter. Pretty close to the 22-250 and the accuracy, case life, powder consumption, loading ease and components, just about everything make it an easy cartridge to live with. Even fire forming brass with standard 223 loads this rifle is more accurate than just about any rifle I own.

Bob

.223AI or easier yet the .22-204

.22-204 is easier, except when the mag length isn't there. Remingtons convert easily, others not so easy.

My 8 twist Brux M-7 .22-204 will push a 75 gr. Amax around 3K fps max.

My 8 twist Shilen .22-250 will push an 80 gr. VLD around 3,200 or so, burns more powder, makes more noise.

Currently, I'm using the .22-250 more than the .22-204, but as a Loony, that's subject to change...

DF

How is the .223 AI or .222 Rem F a g easier than the 22-250?





Dave

It isn't.

DF

Look into the 224 Texas Trophy Hunter, a 22-6mm Rem. If you have the magazine length, shoot some 75-80 gr high BC 224s freaky fast.

DF : What mag length is required for 75 Amax in the .22-204 ?

I'm fascinated with this cart , as well as the 6-04, .25-204

Thanks

The .22-204 round is a bit long for the std. .223 mag. Remingtons have a 2.8" length box, blocked off for .223 and of course, narrower to accommodate the skinny round. I removed the block, filed (narrowed) a .308 follower to fit the .223 box.

With long 75-80 gr. bullets loaded out where I want them, it works and feeds great. (fast twist M-7).

With my slow twist .22-204 (yes I have two), I removed the block, JB Welded a 1/4" piece of aluminum at the rear of the box. The std. .223 follower worked. With this gun, I use shorter, lighter bullets, like 40 gr. as it's a 14 twist. Those rounds feed great.

DF

Slow twist .22-204 M-722/Hart



Fast twist .22-204 M-7/Brux/Jewell trigger/Lone Wolf stock

I'd go with the 22.250 route...

that is what I did, but my barrel is not a 1 in 8 twist... mine is a one in 7....

but it does good.. I also have a preference for the often not mentioned, 80 grain A Max which my rifles find more accurate than the 75 AMax...

My fast twist .22-250 groups 80 gr. VLD/Amax's slightly tighter than 75's.

DF



.22-250/Shilen





Latest photo of the M-7/.22-204 with different scope

I've got some 80gr Amaxes loaded up to try but have to wait until the stock gets back from StockDoc. Having an adjustable comb put on it. I guess I could put it back in the LVSF Stock just to see how they do...

John

The std. 22-250 is about the stretchingist POS ever devised to be fired in a bolt action.

Even Swift cases pale in the need for a trim.

No doubt Re: 22-250 with 75 A-Max in a 1-8". I trust mine to hit it EVERY time. Mickey Coleman did mine.

And the 223AI is a close 2nd with a 1-8" and 75 A-Max. Longrifles, Inc. did one of mine and IT&D did the other. Both are perfect. Now looking at a 3rd to be built on a Tac-30 action with Rock Rem factory sporter contour.

I've always thought the 223AI had the best return on investment for components of just about any cartridge I've ever shot and/or loaded for.
Brass is cheap and can be found just about anywhere. Heck, if I'm behind guys at the range with AR's, I pick up all their brass after they are gone and take it home. My 223's and 223AI's have never been picky about brass headstamp brands.
Bullets and powder are cheap and the 223 AI takes a fairly light load compared to the 22-250 for very close to the same results. On a long day of shooting the 22-250 at rock chucks or other vermin in the prone position I pay for it with a sore shoulder for a few days and I can't watch the bullet strike through the scope due to recoil. Neither of these is an issue with the 223 or 223 AI, in my experience. About the only rifle that was more fun to shoot was my .17 Rem until I shot out the barrel and it became my 223 AI.

Bob

I have gone away from wildcats with the exception of my 223AI for two reasons--it shoots Black Hills 52-gr match HP 223 factory ammo as accurately fire-forming as it does my new AI reloads, about .5 MOA at 300 yes.

In NW Iowa where I hunt coyotes primarily the countryside is reminiscent of a checkered tablecloth with one mile square sections which means fox and especially coyotes seeking the most security will be resting somewhere in the middle meaning less than a half mile a road. It's rare then that using the topography you can't close that to less than half or 400 yes at max and usually much less. The 223 AI works well then. Add a bunch of wind and the longer range and I prefer the 243 though a 22-250 would work as well.

But it's--the 223 AI -- not a 22-250 which is both good and not so good depending on your perspective.

My AI cases seem to last forever and a 50-gr Nos varmint BT at 3675 (10 twist, 22") seems really effective on coyotes to 300 yds. I don't knowingly stretch it much beyond that range.

Of the cartridges listed, an 8 twist 22-250 would get my vote....

I have a 223AI...and its cool. Mine is a slow twist gun, and while it slings the hell out of 50gr bullets, those run out of gas pretty quick.

I am currently having an 8 twist .22 Creedmoor spun up. The goal is to run 80s north of 3500fps.

I didn't know the 22-250 could get 3,500fps with an 80gr. bullet.




Dave

Yeah -

Good luck with that -

Me either WOW!

22 creedmoor is too funny. Just call it what it is. 22-250. And 3500??

Closer to 22-250AI.

22 Creed and 22-250 share a base parent case and bore diameter..thats where the similarity ends...

And yes, 80s at 3500+ are happening as we speak.

How many grains of what powder get you there?




Dave

Me? Currently zero grains of nothing, as mine is still at the plumber getting screwed together.

From the guys who have had guns built by the same guy, with the same reamer, 43ish grains of H4350 shoves a Berger 80 around 3525 out of a 24" tube. I should be a little slower, as mine will be a 22" barrel.

Wow. That's beating out the .223 WSSM. I suspect you could get 5,100fps with the .40 gr. stuff.




Dave

What very few reports I have seen of the really light stuff show them exploding before they reach the chrono. Of course, all the rifles built locally have been 7 and 8 twist guns. I suspect a slow twist gun would do some pretty wicked things....but I am not sure why.

Quick Load shows a 22-250AI (my QL doesn't have 22CM - case capacity should be nearly identical) w/ a 80grn Berger VLD seated out to 2.730" COAL (0.135" shank seating depth) and 43grns of H4350 as a heavily compressed load, yeilding 3.487fps w/ a 24" barrel.










@ 80k+ psi.......




David

The fastest I've seen a 75 go from a 22/250AI is @3400fps and that took 26" of barrel.

But what if the headstamp is different?

Cant help you on the QL numbers, all I can report are the real world numbers, which are handily corroborated by what info is out there on the interwebs.

The .22 Creedmoor should have right at 52.5gr H20 capacity, while the 22-250 has about 46.5 or so, so not exactly the same...

His quickload data was for a 22/250 Ackley Improved, which won't have LESS capacity than your 22 CM.

80grs at 3500 ain't gonna happen at SANE pressures, PERIOD

The Creed case does, in fact, have greater case capacity than the 22-250, even in Ackley form. The standard 22-250 has about 43gr. The numbers I quoted above are for the 22-250 Ackley, and the 6.5 Creedmoor. The .22 Creedmoor should be very similar, as the only thing that changes is the neck.

Case in point....22 Creed brass can be fireformed from .22-250 brass....which, by default, means it is bigger.

Like it or not, believe it or not..its happening everyday..

It's been awhile since I've seen this level of dumb [bleep] in a single post, outside the Freak Show.

Congrats

Alright...I have zero issue admitting when I am wrong. Please educate me...If I am mistaken, please tell me where.

As such, further explain why there are literally dozens of shooters getting these same numbers from this combination.

22-250AI




6.5CM




Study the drawings carefully....

David

.223Wssm is significantly larger than a 22-250AI/22CM and has a case capacity of 53.7grns. QL shows 44.0grns of H4350 pushing an 80grn Berger at 3367fps in a 24" barrel at nearly 66kpsi.


See the problem?


David

Yeah, but people are forming 22/250 brass into 22CM.....

I don't like your tone - there are DOZENS of shooters (on the internet) getting 3500fps w/ 80grn Bergers in 22CM.

My google-fu couldn't find these people but I'm sure they are there.


David

Thanks DF !

I think I remember seeing a thread with your magazine mods.

Curious, was the 722 originally a .222 ?

The WSSM is considerably shorter that the Creedmoor case, yielding roughly equivalent case capacities, depending on brass manufacturer.

As for the 22-250 Ackley case capacity numbers...I admit, I pulled them off the net...Nosler states the 22-250 Ackley holds 46.3gr water, while the 6.5 Creed, again, accooding to Nosler, holds 50.9gr of water...

As for "dozens," perhaps I exaggerated. There are roughly five .22 Creedmoors in the wild built by my smith, mine will make 6. Of those, 3500fps with a 75/80gr bullets is the norm. The other half dozen or so write ups online corroborate these numbers...Again, cant help you with Quickload numbers.


In the end, arguing doesnt change anything, and with that, I will politely exit and go shoot instead of type.

A pizzing match over a cartridge. You can tell winter is coming....

Thats the beauty of wildcats, no published limitations on the "What may be possible"
I on the other hand am more likely to stick to pressure tested data and if want more speed then use a bigger cartridge or longer barrel or both!!!!!!
Ever wonder how a .223AI with minimal case gain is SO much better then the regular .223.......... Pressure , pressure pressure!!!!!!

Tom,

I'm not in a pissing match - trying to help my fellow forum member keep all his fingers, eyes, teeth, etc.....

Personally I don't have need for a case that large in .224 cal, thinking a 223AI will be perfect!

David

Are the drawings too complicated for you to cipher?

Who's shooting 80's in a 22CM at 3500+fps with a 24" barrel? Have you been there when they were shooting? Did you get to see the chrony? (I would advise standing well back...). Or is a rifle smith telling you this?

Feel free to post links - I would love to see!

David

Exactamundo! Steelie had it right all along, 8 twist .223AI longer barrel life, no trimming of cases, more "efficient" with the components you put in it, easy to shoot and kills stuff really dead.

Can we just take a second here since it's Easter for Christ fugkin' sake?

I'm all for being a loony and if you want to call your 22-250 AI the .22 Creed Pussy Killah, by all means, order a custom reamer and get after it. You want to shoot cottontail with the 26 Nosler? You have my blessing. I give not a fugk.

But the 22-250 is the .250 Savage necked down. That birthed one of the GREATEST cartridges the world hath seen. Years later, guys AI'd it. Great. More powder, more faster. I get it.

Years later, it got necked up to 6.5 in an effort to address mag constraint issues. Awesome. Great round. Let's neck it down to 6? Absolutely. Makes sense. the 6 has higher BC bullets than the 25 with less recoil than the 6.5's and the ability to runner lighter bullets at higher speeds.

But now... we're gonna go full circle... and claim that the fugking 6.5 Creedmoor case necked down to .224 is some sort of magic?

IT'S THE SAME FUGKING CARTRIDGE.

By all means use it, but you're shooting a 22-250AI and that ain't going to yield 3,500fps with an 80gr Hornady.





Clark

Yep, .222. It's '50's vintage, the .223 was introduced in '64. IIRC, the .222 was designed by Mike Walker around '50, the 722 may have been out before that.

YEARS ago, when I was just a pup (early high school to be exact) a good bud would pick me up in his Plymouth and we'd go crow shooting. He was a few years older, had a drivers license and a car...

I had a Savage 340 .222, he had this 722, we both hand loaded. I got into checkering around that time, did a skip-a-line pattern (it was considered cool back then) on this gun.

Some years later I traded for it. The barrel was tired, a gunsmith I knew had a Hart blank in his shop. I got him to fit and chamber in .222. I never liked the way he chambered it, so when I got into the .22-204 business, I had my smith (not him) chamber it for the new round.

As a slow twist (14), it's useless with heavy bullets, but super accurate with 40's, like half inch or better. With the 10X Zeiss, it handles like a .204, quick bullet strike without losing the target; you can watch the bullets hit.

The 722 trigger was tweaked to perfection, the gun glassed and free floated. It's a keeper.

DF

Maybe this will help.

Care to guess the capacity of the 250SavageAi?

It's 51.0grns.

How can that be? The 22-250AI has a capacity of only 46.9 grns and we all know that the 22-250AI is identical to the 250AI except for the bore diameter?


Still think the 22CM has 50+ grns capacity?

Still think a 22CM can shoot an 80grn bullet at 3500fps w/ a 24" barrel?


David

Shhhhh

Can someone with quick load tell me what kind of velocity one can expect for the 75 gr Swift from a 22", 1-8", SAAMI 22-250? Currently I have them running 3075 with good accuracy and no pressure signs.

Powder?

COAL?

I can make some guesses....

David

H4350 and Varget, 2.40 oal

Just checked my notes 2.48 oal

36.0grns of RL17 @ 2.350" COAL gives 3300fps in a 22" barrel.

David

36grns H4350 gives 3141fps @ 59,118psi w/ a 22" barrel and 2.480" COAL. 37.0 grns gives 3229 @ 64608psi with same barrel/COAL.

David

If I remember right I'm loading 33 grains of RL15 for 3,250-3,300fps.


That's with the 75gr. A-Max.




Travis

Wow that's close I'm getting 3075 with 35.5 grs of H-4350.

Thank You

Have you tried the 75 gr Scirocco?

QL needs your case capacity (in your chamber) to provide reliable data, but it doesn't sound like you're too far from the baseline model.

David

That's one thing I haven't measured, but like you said it sounds close to the baseline model.

I could smell the burnt ass hairs in a 6 Creedmore thread I posted in about six months ago......seems like this Creedmore thing defies all common physics.

Apparently only the cool kids run cases based on the shortened 250 Savage and 308 cases 300 fps beyond the parent case in same caliber chamberings; "efficiency" is usually a part of the buzz.

For the OP: My ledger shows either 41grs Rl-17 or 40 grs. I4451 in the 220 Weatherby Rocket (PTG reamer throated for the 75 Amax at 3.010 max OAL) producing 3,400 fps with the 80 Amax. The first load in a 24" bbl and the second load with a 28" bbl.

Beware, this is internet data....

No. For some reason the 55gr. TTSX and the 75gr. A-Max had the same trajectories out to 350yds. so I have only ran those two.

My buddy had horrible accuracy with the Scirocco. But if they would shoot it'd be a match made in heaven.



Dave

Did you also know that the Creedmore has no "parent case?"

It's 100% original.



Travis

I have good accuracy with them for about a dozen shots then accuracy falls off. They are the only bullet I've tried in my 22-250 that does this, everything else seems to shoot forever with no noticeable fouling issues.

Do you clean and then accuracy improves?




Dave

It does. The rifle is my NULA I've had forever. No other bullet does it. It even does it to a lesser extent in my 223 NULA

Well then try a different bulllet! Grin...



Travis

I have, lately been using 64 gr Noslers and 62 gr TBBC's with fine results.

In fairness,I've shot every boolit cited and a LOT that ain't. Hint.

The 75 Swift S2 is a fickle bitch and a boot in the balls,as Precision goes. It's an easy pass for that reason,along with the fact it has huge bearing surface,doesn't obturate for schit and it's QC is horrid.

Pass the 21" 1-8" 223AI and 75A-Max smooches over all others,if only because I've got ALL the T-shirts.

My 22-250AI's will reap 3500fps in 24" guise with 75 'Max,but there is NO fhuqking way a Creed' or SALAMI will come close with 80's. Hint.

I hear through The Grape Vine,that moly keeps a bore happier...longer. Hint.

You've been led to water................

that's were my numbers hit with the same charge.. right at 3300 fps....

its also the same place with an 80 grainer.... just a little more pressure I am assuming...

24 inch barrel on my Ruger 77...

Stick, I know you have used the 75 Amax a lot on deer size critters at longer ranges, how does it perform at closer ranges? I shoot a lot of deer under 100 yards due to the topography of the areas I hunt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llgY3VBwTAo

This is what your post reminds me of, funny but truthful.....

I'm getting 3800+ with both 75gr AMAXs and 70gr TSXs in my 22-6mm AI. Haven't pushed beyond that velocity but no need to lean on it any harder just to be able brag. Barrel is an 8-twist Bartlein finished at 28.5".

The thick necks of Hornady brass (W-W is pretty hard to find at the moment) make it sort of a pain in the arse to load for but it was never going to be my most practical rifle.

Haven't shot anything with it yet but that will change in a week or two.

The 75 AMAX at 3,800 fps should be a real BOMB...

Post mortem photos should be interesting...

DF

Thinking about your 70 gr. TSX at 3,800 fps reminded me of my experience with the .240 Wby. Check out the 80 gr. TTSX performance at 3,600 fps on a WT doe.

Although different calibers, some info may be applicable to high speed .22's, several bullets were tried. Bullet performance, .224/.243 may not be that different, especially at similar velocities.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/8311560/1

DF

Blue steel baby....





Dave

Not Stick here, but got my first Amax kill recently at 40 yards. I aimed to break the long bone in the upper leg and that's what it did. Wreaked it, then wreaked the onside lung. He didn't go far. 223, 75 grain Amax @2900fps

Did you get an exit, or recover the bullet?

Had three small exits, but the bullet had mostly fragmented. He went down quickly and bleed out internally, but the entrance in the hide was small(maybe 30 cal) and he didn't leave a blood trail, not that one was needed. I mostly use behind the shoulder shots but I wanted to test the limit of this bullet first time out.

Good information

Lester,

My son just poked a doe at 116 yards with the 75 AMAX launched at 3150 MV from a 223 AI. The bullet entered the shoulder and broke the big bone below the scapula the went in the rib cage and wrecked the top/front half of both lungs, then exited the ribcage breaking one rib and then broke the other shoulder bone. fragments were stuck in the off shoulder and between the shoulder and hide.

the deer managed to run about 40 yards and left no blood but it wasn't necessary in this case. honestly, the boy hit it a bit too far forward only getting a piece of the lungs and none of the heart and the deer still died quickly.

If hit behind the shoulder I have no doubt I would have gotten an exit. I have no issues using the Amax for deer from what I've seen, even if only a sample of one

I think I'll give them a try.

I can only tell what I have seen. My 8 twist 22-250 does 3375 with Sierra 80's but this is from a 28 inch barrel. It would likely do a bit more but accuracy is good here. I load IMR 4451 which has produced the best accuracy of anything I've tried in this rifle. By the way, I have seen no evidence of significant case stretching. GD

75 Amax at 3500 via 22-250 Ackley at 210 yards:



That's the entrance. Muther f'er still ran off a couple hundred yards......finally found him crawled under a log, breathing his last.

I quit using them after that......

75 A-Max 3150fps initial launch,15yds away...impact velocity greater than a 3500fps launch of same impacting at the 210yd line. Nary a wiggle,step or doubt. Same as per always.

Sadly shot that spout out and it's now a 18" 270 for 105's. Oh well...I go through lotsa barrels.



I've not personally seen that boolit(75 'Max) fly into much more than 100 Bucks and nobody has ever had to launch a second. The kids alone have killed dozens with same.

I know of one 22-250AI that's killed (3) Dall Rams over 40" with 75A-Max and is prolly held in esteem,while bordering bein' Famous to boot.(grin)

Can only know of Bulls(Elks and Caribouski's),Bucks,Bears,Woofs and Sheeps swatted with same. Everyone holds it in the highest regard and are shooting it as THE mainstay projectile,in all platforms that'll stabilize same. 223AI's and 22-250AI's obviously.

Tough to get giddy about the 70X or 70GMX,as the 62X's steals the monomettle show. Pun be intended. It has the best blend of integrity to BC/mass...the 70X is a piss poor design,which left aero form on the table,to soothe Krunchenticker confines. Great shame.



The 62TSX serves well in Self Shuckers,but I default the 75 Hornie HPBT there,as a Utilitarian Meat And Taters Load. It's unwavering in it's relative abilities.



I suffer a 22-250 SALAMI 1-7" Mike Rock greater than VS and shy of MTU,draped in an A5 with all the trimmings,yada,yada,yada. Bottom left. On a .473" Donor and talking .224" bore sizing,I'm 22-250AI or bust...due 223AI fast twist splendor. prolly a 223AI in the frame too.(grin)



MUCH prefer the 22-250AI over the SALAMI and a Swift 75gr S2 Famous Buck here,launched from same. 1-7.7" Krieger. Sound rifle,but pass the 75 A-Max.



Easy for me to say...I shoot it all and everyone that shoots one of mine,builds to follow suit,with the 75 'Max as THE mainstay..................

You've posted some spectacular photos, but that last one stands out. Everytime I see it I think If someone asked what hunting was about, all you'd have to do is show them that pic.

Could have been one in a million, but any bullet out there can and has had strange performance issues that can't be explained, with mine being one of them. It doesn't/didn't exude any confidence after the fact, so the switch was made.

I have seen the 75gr. A-Max do the same as aalf and I have seen them perform like they were perfectly engineered for big game.

That's on mule deer, pronghorn, and coyotes ranging from 50-400yds. Out of the 22-250 and the 22-250AI.



Travis

Worth trying it sounds like

I got 3300 fps from the 75 gaymax with 39 gr H4350 in a 1-8 twist 22-250ai with a 23" bbl. Same gun, but SAAMI chamber and again a 1-8 23" tube I get 3300 fps with the gaymax using 36.5gr of H4350.

I am happy to use the amax on yotes, and anything smaller. But for deer etc, I stick to the 62 ttsx. Out of my saami chamber, 35 gr Varget gets me 3500 fps and kills the hell out of things without the roll of the dice as to how it'll perform.

I couldn't get the 75 gr swift to shoot worth a damn from the ai chamber, haven't tried since I rebarrelled to the saami chamber. And for what they cost I don't imagine I'll try again unless barnes quits making the 62s.

Sticker: Any experience with the 80 Amax..on Game? I have several 1000's. They shoot very well in my match rifle

It shot a 'yote a couple of weeks ago with my 22-250 and a Hornady 68gr BTHP. Was a mild load moving them at about 3200fps. Double lunged the 'yote at about 130 yards and he ran nearly 300 yards. Exit wound was smaller than a dime. Didn't do a full autopsy but I doubt it expanded at all. Odd thing since same load a couple of months earlier on another 'yote left an exit the size of a tennis ball.





John

They didnt pop PDs anywhere close to the 75 for me. They didnt pop em at all.

Not big game, just some anectdotal info, fwiw.

Did it exit?

Nope....blew up on the shoulder.....

"MUCH prefer the 22-250AI over the SALAMI" (Stick)

Anybody that speaks "Stick"... Would You interpret what a "SALAMI" is for me.

Thanks,

Jerry

That reinforces my contention that one must match velocity with bullet design/performance ceiling.

Berger doesn't recommend impact velocity over 3,100 fps with their Hunting VLD's. The Amax isn't a VLD but not too unlike the VLD regarding terminal performance.

3,500 fps is a lot different than 3,000 fps.

IMO,

DF

I don't speak Alaskan, but think he's trying to say SAAMI or factory OEM vs. AI.

Any alternate interpretation/translation welcomed.

DF

There's more to it than that. A coyote is relatively fragile- dainty bones, thin skin, etc. Just like with antelopes and certain bullets, it was almost certainly due to "splash back". It's probably going to take quite a bit to explain, but the 75 AMAX does not splash (or I haven't seen it, nor has anyone I personally know) on deer.

I was using the 68g BTHP on game for a while; goats, foxes and such. I also found their terminal performance patchy. Some goats fell like a stone, others ran a good distance.

Switched to the 75g Hdy BTHP which was much more consistent, then eventually to the Amax when my supplier was able to divert a few from export to Alaska where some guy was buying up all known stocks...

22 Creed- hornady brass

75g A max= 46g of R#26 is 3550
75g " = H1000, 3585fps
80g A = Retumbo, 3500
80g A = H1000, 3440

75g A = 46g h4831, 3440

80.5g Berger = 43.0g H4350 super accurate, have not clocked it yet

My bbl is 26" heavy sporter

Lot numbers of powder vary, work up to these loads in your rifle. My results are very similar to what others are getting, nothing unusual.

I have had half a dozen 22/250 AI's, it is a very efficient case, extremely accurate, and is idiot proof in working up a load that will shoot bug holes. The old 65g Bergers bullets is as heavy as I have ever shot in my 12T, 37g of Win 760 shoots bug holes at 3700 fps. This load shoots HUGE holes in coyotes, near and far. The Creed may take 10g more powder...have hot tried that bullet in the only 8T, 22 creed that I have ever owned. I am a predator hunter, and shooting coyotes in half floats my boat (I will not skin another one till I kill a solid black one).

I have killed a butt load of deer with a 55g Hornady in the 22/250 AI, head shots, neck shots, lung shots...apple orchards.

I am going to play with killing hogs and deer with the 22 creed. I hope the 75 & 80g A max work, but have 62g TTSX as a back up(hope I don't have to go there). The 22 creed is within 100 fps(or less) of the 22/243 AI 8T Hart bbl, using R#22, Retumbo, H1000, and H4831.

Shot placement trumps all, animals are not hard to kill.

Not possible, just read this thread.

AALF, just wondering if your shot was quartering running away, raking shot? Looks in the pic like it may have been?

He's using a 26" barrel, not a 24" barrel.

He's not using H4350.

He's as stupid as you are and thinks it's possible that the 22CM has 10grains additional powder over a 22-250AI.



You haven't responded to my question on the difference in capacity between the 22-250AI and 250AI. Go back and look that over carefully. For just this once, step back and take an objective look as if you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

The fingers and eyes you save could be your own.

David

Seen the same with the 162 .284" amax, more than one time. Also it seems i'm the only one here that seen major BC issues with the 162 at LR, for which i was told i was full of chit.

they were so good hornady changed them..twice.

shows how much i know i guess.

The 6.5 140 amax offers the most splatter effect of them all, at creedmoor speeds no less. but I still like shooting them.


for no concessions,Pass the scenars.

Standing still, quartering towards me, 210 yards......

Read: I have a 22 PPC that may take another 10grs. more....because I haven't blown myself up yet, all math and physics do not apply, only a case and a gun still intact for green lights. "Efficiency" is magic....

My 22Creedmoor is not having any trouble with deer



On this Cull hunt it went 21 for 21 with 3 runners making about 20 yards for an average

Whacked some hogs too this week one at 312 another at 420

Nice

All the deer were shoulder shots the pigs head shots

During midday called a few coyotes. The 80.5 Fullbore did not perform as well on coyotes as I would have liked.... two spinners and one ran 20 yards all complete pass thru with big exits. Initial thoughts bullet is pretty tough for predators.

Dang that's my kind of deer hunting ! Must be fun as heck !

It was a lot of fun even the cleaning....

This was looking out my blind one morning there are 3 does down but only two in the picture.

Man, I want to get into some of that Texas pig hunting one of these days. My daughter and her husband and my grand baby live in Austin. Next time I make it down there I'm going to drag him out on a little hunting trip.

Bob

David, you kill more deer in a weekend than some people I know in their life time.