I need advice on a good bullet for elk
My guide said it's a good caliber. he prefers someone with a 223 that can shoot it than a monster 30-06 that they can't shoot.
My 30-06 can only shoot 1.5 in groups, while my 223 can shoot 1/4" groups, so he suggested I bring the 223. because accuracy kills better than caliber.

Oh....wait....let me get the beer and popcorn...this oughta be good......

Somebody with WAAAAAAY tooooo much time on their hands...

The answer to any elk bullet question is the 225 grain... caliber doesn't matter... the 338/223 numbs'm...

Kent

40 grain V-Max. But don't load it too fast...you don't want to over-penetrate...gotta make sure all that energy is used up INSIDE the animal.

And we know that a .257 Roberts is not enough on elk too.....

Anybody that can tolerate the recoil of a .223 should be able to step up to the recoil of a .22-250. It is a better mouse trap for elk Flinch

I found a .17 caliber bullet in the front leg of my elk last year:



Be sure to use the 20 grainers over the 17 grainers--the higher sectional density makes elk DRT!

Did you know in Minneasota, a potato gun meets all the requirements to be a legal firearm for big game.
It meets the definition of a firearm and the requirements for muzzleloading season.
It's also illegal to hunt big game with a rifle in the half the state, but it's ok to hunt varmint with a 50 bmg

I'd use the potato gun before I'd use the 223. Is it April Fool's day or something?

Must be one of those USO guides.

No. I just finished class early and am bored. just meant this as a fun post.

I know many native Alaskans that use the .223, and the .222 on Polar bear. Drop them dead in their tracks.

A 150 grain .224

You won�t be able to load it from the magazine and stabilizing a 3" long bullet might require feathers or vanes.

If the tip of that long bullet exits the elk, but the shank doesn't get into the animal before the bullet loses forward momentum, is that over and under penetration?

Won't you feel a bit over-gunned with an accurate .223? People insist velcotiy and energy don't matter either, that it is all about placement.

May I suggest a .22 LR is more than adequate for most shots if that is the case?

I did a thread like this over on AR 5 or 6 years ago...

funny thing was, folks were always flaming those asking about using a 243 or 257 Roberts for elk...

but asking about using a 223, there was like 8 pages or responses and NO negative comments against using the 223... plenty of suggestions about type of bullets to use and over and over about shot placement...

only thing I could figure out is they were thinking maybe using a 223, where you could machine gun them with enough rounds...

the internet is a crazy place sometimes...

DANG!....and I thought you'd post a good Blue Dot Elk load.......

Someone here posted a pic of a cow elk they shot with 223. So they will work...

Dink

Best smilie ever.

I have personally killed two bulls, both six points, with a .223....

But both were previously wounded by someone else, and going no where fast...

the .223 is what i had with me...

Ingwe I have no doubt they work. Matter of fact yesterday I bought Sako A1 in 223. I don't know yet what I am going to kill with it but I really want to take it to Montana deer hunting this fall... I guess I better wait and see how it shoots first though.

Dink

The last cow (bovine) I shot was with a 223 and 40 grain v-maxes, from about a foot from her noggin. It was all I had with me at the time. Believe it or not, she did more thrashing and took longer to expire than the ones I've shot with a 22 Long Rifle.

Definately want to stay away from the 22 magnum, though. The last time I shot a cow between the eyes with one, it blew her whole ass end off!

I found the link. On my computer its about 2/3's of the way down the page and the story is on the third page. I really like the pic of the cow with the short action rifle..grin.

http://24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/3956823/2

I think I almost peed myself!

Based on how the old 55 FMJs have worked on moose, I'd take the superior Barnes spitzer solids and plant one in the noggin.

But you're right, a great many people seem to use accuracy as the ultimate criteria when choosing a bullet or load. The Barnes monos are a good example. Typically the old ones worked better terminally than do the newer grooved versions, at least in my experience. However, many folks shrugged them off due to accuracy issues they thought they were having. The newer versions shoot very well and easily for the most part. Terminal performance has not been improved and may even have gone backwards if in a more consistent manner. Many folks now love them. Potential accuracy rules.

Klik I am not an X user, so know little about them....but I am getting correspondence from a chap from DownUnder who is really cranking 150's from a 300 Weatherby,and had some recovered from medium and from Sambar....

FWIW,man those TTSX are a different animal from the one's I see not driven as fast...they are opened up like flower blossoms when started at 3500 fps or so...they really seem to be a real High Velocity bullet...

Sorry I left that out.. must have been on cruise control..

12.5 grains of Blue Dot, SR primer, 53 grain Barnes X...

that is if you are out of SR 4759,.. if you aren't the charge with that powder would be 17.5 grains with that bullet then...

ASSUMING the whole threads not a BAD JOKE!

"use the 30-06 that can only shoot 1.5 in groups, and get into 350 yards or less,
no elk will ever notice the bullets an inch or two further from its intended impact point"

Exactly what is a potato gun? It was mentioned in the first part of this thread and I read about it on some ATF regulations yesterday.

...waders, what are you shooting them in the leg for Flinch

Get a new guide he is an idiot. You are not hunting gophers.

A rifle that will shoot THREE MOA will kill any Elk the average hunter should be shooting at.

30-06 with a 150 TSX loaded max w/4350 will kill any Elk that lives.

A 223 is also illegal in most states for big game.

It would not be legal in several states. Oregon included.

NO THATS NOT ME!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykF3TUTI2hU

http://www.spudtech.com/

http://www.instructables.com/id/The-Original-Potato-Cannon/

http://dangerouslyfun.com/spud-gun

a few plumbing parts, a barbeque ignition, and some propellant gas , of flammable spray like some hair spray or carb cleaner spray... properly sized parts and you too can launch potatoes or oranges a few hundred yards with the correct combo

I've shot some golf balls out of mine with newspaper packing. You can't even see them when they leave the barrel. Haven't messed with it in 10 years but if I remember correctly the golf balls went in the neighborhood of 500 yards. Got drunk one night in high school and shot the side of a mobile home with a green walnut, made quite the racket.

Holy crap...some folks are actually taking this post seriously. Here's my disclaimer: I posted a reply recommending the 40 grain V-Max. For those of you who do not see this as a joke...IT IS NOT SERIOUS. "ShootDogs" does NOT recommend or condone hunting elk with a 40 grain V-Max in a .223. There is no circumstance in which this is the appropriate load for hunting elk!

Am I lawyer-proof now?

Gohip: Aim your 223 for the Elks eyes - then maybe you can blind the Elk and run up and trip it with your foot then you and the guide (wearing blue jeans!) can leap upon said creature and strangle it with your bare hands!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Ya might try some different ammo in the '06.

Potato gun? Why would someone want to shoot potatoes? Where do you aim on a potato for a good kill? Are red ones tougher than brown ones? Are Yukon Golds easier to headshoot because they have bigger eyes? How much does a shoulder mount cost? How do you score a potato?

I killed a wild stallion with a 22 mag once that was running our mares through the fences, but the range was short. Fired 5 rounds into him as quick as I could work the bolt and he ran about 200 yards before piling up.

Was that your first choice, or what you had in hand ?
Would you have been happier with an AR10 7.62 loaded with 150 gr SGKs.
Rest my case.

now, use 1/2 potato as a wad and put bb's on top of it.

a 223 tracer would be a good bullet

So is a 22-06 for pronghorn in WY...

ZZZZZzzzzzzzingggggggg!

So who do you know who violated that law and what proof have you ?
Must be confused with a 25-06 EH?
ZZZZZzzzzzzzingggggggg!

Oooooohhhhh...Larry...did someone strike a nerve?

Yeah, that's been my conclusion too. They do work at lesser speeds- most of the time- and even make things like the 358 Winchester become more than it was when it was designed IME. But I'm not liking what I see in the 2500 and under impact speeds with the newer stuff (TTSX excluded and yet unknown to me). If one considers and uses them as one might a solid, then I think they'll be less dissatisfied, at least with many of the "standard" cartridges. I suspect that is part of the reason we are seeing the lighter weights being promoted also.




I don't think too many are seeing it that way (seriously). It is fun to speculate half seriously though. I do know the old common 55 FMJ load works reasonably well on many things. (I also know how they explode when they do "the flip" once they get under the skin, so I can't really endorse them. Those pretty little brass Barnes bullets now though............they can flip, spin, do the boogie...who cares, they can't come apart, that's for certain, at least as less than vaporization speeds.

FWIW, I tend to believe that it is better to err on the side of more weight rather than less, and a bigger, not necessarily faster, cartridge, rather than smaller when hunting bigger animals. Admittedly, smaller generally works, and it may even make one feel "holier-than-thou" when taking larger game with small cartridges and bullets. Generally ain't always, however, and chasing a continuously replenished trail often isn't a picnic.

Sorry, no, just tired of (and bored with) with habitual liars.

From your idol, Vladimir Lenin:

"A lie told often enough becomes truth"

or from Uncle Adolf:

�If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed�

You're in good company.

I didn't say that anyone violated the law and I don't have any "proof". BUT, a former poster had this to say:


Notice that he claims to have taken that buck pronghorn at 352yds with a 22-06. In a different post, the same author claims the following:


Seems a bit coincidental that the bolded portion of the second quote contains the exact same yardage as the first where a 22-06 was used. I asked that poster if the buck in the first post came from WY, but don't recall getting a reply, though I think I got a PM but have since deleted it. If that was done in WY it would be illegal. Similarly, I don't recall that poster ever posting about hunting pronghorn in any state other than WY...

So that's what I was referencing when I posted about a 22-06 being illegal for pronghorn in WY. It was in relation to posts made by "oldman1942", but not anything posted by "goodiewrench". I would be interested in oldman1942 coming back on and clearing up the confusion...

Thanks pointer...Larry often gets "confused...."

Let me "fix it" for you as you and your friends are expert at:



BTW, you might note the other picture (with the hunter) shows a Model 70 BOSS equipped. Ever seen a M 70 with a BOSS in your phantom 22-06 ?

What an empty life, nothing to do but troll through 1000s of past posts to try and find something to make you the authority. If it doesn't work....well, "fix it" so it does. like this:




be missing you........

I did not edit a dang thing, that was cut and paste from posts by oldman1942 that took all of maybe 5mins to find. Unless you are the same person as "oldman1942" or know him, I don't see why you'd care...

And, you are twisting what I posted. I never said the rifle was the 22-06. The point I made was that the poster claims (first quote) to have shot a buck antelope at 352yds with a 22-06. In a seperate posts (second quote) states that he has killed antelope in WY out to 352yds. You draw your own conclusions.

As far as it being a phantom rifle, this took all of about 45secs to find:
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/3498633/1

So, goodie, are you the same person as oldman1942?

If so, what states and years have you hunted pronghorn in other than WY since 11/13/09 (date of first post about 22-06 with pics)?

uh oh

Looks like its time to put Olddouche back on "ignore"...just under yet another assumed name.....

Funny thing pointer......... no BOSS ????

Hmmmm?

Fixed it for you again:




Sherlock Holme's job is safe!

BTW, you're both now on ignore so save your time, as NOBODY gives a damn.

not even the same antelope. Photos show the same side, no big gaping hole with the one with the M70 BOSS. Similar terrain, but different grass lengths and no broom snakeweed in the picture. Keep trying.

It's what was in the truck hen we found our bloody mares and him running them in circles.

Funny thing goodiewrench.....you didn't answer the questions I posed, which for me speaks volumes.

Again, I didn't say the BOSS equiped rifle was a 22-06. But according to oldman1942 the first pronghorn pictured was taken with one. By the way, I don't see a BOSS in this post...


Oh and so you can make sure I'm not editing your posts when I quote them, here's a link to the whole thread.
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/3704351/1
Especially interesting is the post directly after the one I quoted and the absence of any rebuttal by oldman1942. Again, draw your own conclusions...

uh oh again

Biologist ? "EX" Hmm?

Let me "splain" slowly.

Same "terrain" my be found in any high desert area.... guess you can say he wasn't killed in Central Park with confidence.

.223 is legal in Texas.

Idaho has no minimum centerfire caliber restriction

NE "� Rifles* .22-caliber or larger that deliver at least 900
foot-pounds of energy at 100 yards"

MT: "There is no caliber limitation during the general big game hunting season (except as specified under shotgun) for the taking of big game animals in Montana. "

Hunted ALL those states including "no license" private ranches........ guess you have second sight ?

As for Pointer, does your GPS in you POS Windows machine tell you where the pic was taken? Thought not.

Adios, going fishing with my NON RESIDENT Florida license.
This thread goes in the circular file.

You're doing pretty good at covering that up, except nonresidents can't hunt antelope in Nebraska with a firearm. So that too would be illegal.
Montana, at least there would be record of you holding an antelope license, Idaho too. Texas, I think it comes with the basic hunting license if I remember right, so that should probably be the story you should stick to.

Nope, my computer doesn't tell me where that pic was taken. Would you mind telling me? Heck, I'd settle for just the state as I don't want you to think I was trying to "poach" your honey hole.

Since you seem hell bent on defending the former poster oldman1942, I will just assume, like many others have, that you are one and the same. Would that be a correct assumption?

Elk hunting is a lot like football: Take out their legs and they ain't going anywhere! (I'm somewhat surprised you didn't know that. Are you suggesting that you should shoot 'em some place other than the leg??)

Another good idea to edit that to say you shot it on a "no license" private ranch.... mmmhmmm.....
Where? Just haven't heard of any game farms with pronghorn antelope on it. Maybe I'd like to do that one day, cause you know, it's so hard to get an antelope tag in Wyoming. Also weird that you'd do that when you have antelope within 2 miles of your place. Not saying you didn't, just find it odd.

It's often said a traumatic experience will change the soul permanently for the worse...

goodie'old'm is a prime example, truly, after this experience with Lee, it's understandable...



Kent

I'm disappointed that goodiewench didnt post a picture with him posing with another runt antelope buck, the 22-06, and a single orange glove...

When I finally draw an elk tag for here in AK, I certainly won't be hunting with a 223!

.22-06 huh, sounds rather OVERBORE to me.

Noticed the picture of Larry posing with an antelope and the 22-06 disappeared. That doesn't look incriminating at all.

I killed a Caribou in Alaska that had three .22 rimfire bullets lodged under the hide.

Just how long is a 200 grain 223 bullet anyway.

So who started this troll thread ? -3 points

I did and so far most people have just had fun with it. That's all it was meant to be

no 1. get another guide. no 2. a 30-06 aint near a 'big' gun

excet that one wont get into an elk.

its a good round for elk when the dogs have them bayed

JFC, would you shut up and go away?