Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Do you want the US to invade Iraq again?

You're right on the one hand about Bush and Obama. We've been on a roll lately as far as lack of good leaders from both "major parties." That's not the fault of the military, it's the fault of the electorate who put them there.

So we've had some bozos at the helm lately, and despite all that, there's no other country I'm moving to, how about you?

Despite the politicians, this is still the best place on the planet to live. A big reason for that is we have the best military. No one can attack us, or if they do, it's a suicide mission. No one can take away what we have here, even though if they could, they would.

So your last line, the part in italics is bullsh**. You're just too self-absorbed to see it.

Not a simple question at all.

We already have Kurdistan boots on the ground.

Give them something to fight with. And air support.

That's a very profound quote from Bush and with a slight twist you could say ...

ISIS is not only our enemy but our children's, children's enemy.

And that brings up the question of ...

If we do nothing to stop ISIS now what kind of a world do we leave to our future generations?

Forget the here and now. If you look at this from a long term perspective it just doesn't look good.

Another question I would pose...Why is this OUR problem?

If ISIS is a real destabilizing threat (and thus far they're not; they're just a threat of a threat), then why doesn't the rest of the world get involved?

It's all crap.

Another "mouse that roared" and we're supposed to be shiverin' in our boots.

In the short term they're not a direct imminent threat.

Can you say the same about the long term though?

Are there lessons from history that apply?

What threat will ISIS pose in five or ten years and beyond?

I believe our allies don't want to get mixed up in a conflict with Hussein in charge. I don't trust him and neither does the rest of the world. He's an utterly incompetent CIC. FWIW, Travis helped me see the light on this issue.

I could support military actions, but not a full blown invasion. Maybe one airport converted to a base to run operations out of. Raids, not war, keep them busy over there, turn it into a killing ground for Islamists.

One airport that would draw them into our defensive posotion, and slaughter them slowly. Give the Iraqis the lazers and the phone number to the airbase. Not nation building, muzzy population control.

I think this conflict is different in many ways.

1) We're not ousting a dictator and trying or need to nation build.

2) The enemy is limited in numbers. Best guesses I've heard is 10,000 to 17,000 troops. I haven't any estimates of their armor or heavy weapons but a WAG might be 1000 to 1500 pieces and they have no ability to replace them in the short term.

3) It's clearly a war that cannot be "won". ISIS will never surrender. The best that can be done is containment and stopping their advancement.

At this point in time the US could put a serious hurt on ISIS and for once make a statement against terrorism. Hussein's lead from behind, no interdiction, idle threats, retreat, and no US involvement in anything anywhere is emboldening terrorists around the world.

Hussein's policies have given terrorists a green light. They know the USA under his leadership will not interdict and that's why we're in the stink. No one is ever held accountable.

Previous policies have got us in the schit. The current policies aren't working so where do we go from here?

Do you approve of Hussein's foreign policy and want to continue with the current strategy?

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Yes, I support military action in Iraq and Syria against the largest, most brutal, highly funded terrorist group in the world, ISIS....which is making direct threats, and planning for attacks against our homeland and people.

Yeah, I think we need to go on the road.

America has no strategy, but ISIS does: Biological terrorism
posted HOT AIR August 29, 2014 by Noah Rothman
...According to a report in Foreign Policy magazine on Thursday, investigators recently had an opportunity to inspect a Dell laptop allegedly linked to ISIS which was transported to Turkey from Syria.
In that laptop, which belonged to a man who studied chemistry and physics at two Tunisian universities, contained files with instructions on how to manufacture weaponized bacterial agents.

The ISIS laptop contains a 19-page document in Arabic on how to develop biological weapons and how to weaponize the bubonic plague from infected animals.

�The advantage of biological weapons is that they do not cost a lot of money, while the human casualties can be huge,� the document states.
The document includes instructions for how to test the weaponized disease safely, before it is used in a terrorist attack. �When the microbe is injected in small mice, the symptoms of the disease should start to appear within 24 hours,� the document says.

The laptop also contained propaganda files, videos of Osama bin Laden, and an Islamic fatwa sanctioning the use of weapons of mass destruction as part of a jihad campaign against the kafir, or infidels.

Experts suggest that it is no that manufacture of biological agents which poses the most acute threat, but the delivery system for such a weapon.
However, the laptop is a confirmation of what many feared � the Islamic State is amassing trained scientific professionals who are busily working on how to make that nightmare a reality.

�Use small grenades with the virus, and throw them in closed areas like metros, soccer stadiums, or entertainment centers,� the 19-page document on biological weapons advises. �Best to do it next to the air-conditioning. It also can be used during suicide operations.�

Maybe it is time to craft a strategy to combat this threat to civilization.

+1, except that we need the clear objective & goal of completely annihilating & wiping ISIS off the face of the earth; no prisoners, no mercy & no stopping until they are all completely gone.

Need to set an example, once & for all.

But sadly, it not going to happen, not even close.

MM

If we don't kill those savages while they are there, they will come here, easily, I might say and kill all of us they can. Pretty easy to figure out.

I wouldn't mind too much if we prepped the LZ with a dozen or so B83s.

I'm sure that's music to the ears of Halliburton/Brown & Root/Dresser Industries.

There's a lot more money to be made in 'fighting' cancer than there is in 'defeating' it.
And there's a lot more money to be made in 'fighting' terrorism than there is in 'defeating' it.

If someone says they are gonna come kill ya and they have the means to do so just what are you going to do about it? Are you going to be pro-active or reactive? History tells us how things like this have been successfully handled in the past. These people are not our friends and do not want to be.