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Kingsberry seems to be more concerned about how fashionable our team looks than how they play. I've never seen so many uniform changes in one season. But, hey, as long as they look pretty for him right?

He may be a good coach some day, but he doesn't have the experience yet to run the entire program. But hey, all the administration cares about is all of the women in town wearing the "my coach is hotter than your coach" t-shirts and thus selling tickets. Tickets this year wear scooped up on that notion. We'll see how that plays out next year after a losing season.

Ryan, we're gonna struggle to be a .500 team this year, and with the defensive issues it's gonna take at least two years of strong recruiting classes deep with d tackles and linebackers before we'll know whether Kliff can field a team that can compete for a conference championship. 2008 seems like a long time ago...

Williams: Hard truth: OSU lapping Red Raiders

Red Raiders' last win against Cowboys was in 2008

Posted: September 24, 2014 - 5:27pm



Late on the night of Nov. 8, 2008, probably everyone inside Jones Stadium and those watching on TV were too zeroed in on short-term ramifications to think very far into the future.

Why would they, given the emotions of the evening?

After No. 2 Texas Tech�s 56-20 romp against No. 8 Oklahoma State, the Red Raiders and their giddy fans were thinking ahead to the next game against Oklahoma and, just maybe, a spot in the national championship game. Tech stood at a program pinnacle, the Red Raiders sporting a 10-0 record and as high a ranking as they�ve ever achieved.

They were in win-now mode.

Meanwhile, Oklahoma State and its backers had to be wondering if the Cowboys could have sustained success against Texas Tech, something they�d not enjoyed since the World War II years. There was little reason to think so, considering OSU had gone 4-9 against Tech in their first 13 years as Big 12 opponents.

Now here we are in 2014 and Tech�s not beaten Oklahoma State since.

The Cowboys own a five-game winning streak in the series and are double-digit favorites to make it six when the two teams meet at 6:30 p.m. Thursday for a nationally televised Big 12 opener in Stillwater.

The cold fact is, Oklahoma State passed Tech in the Big 12 hierarchy some time ago. The average margin of victory during that five-game win streak, 47-19, should silence any dissent.

That�s of little consequence to the current Red Raiders.

�Streak, no streak, you don�t really think about that,� junior center Jared Kaster said. �It motivates you a little bit. You�re not going in there to break a streak. You�re going in there to play a game.

�That�s not the main goal here. The main goal is win, go 1-0 in the conference.�

How did it come to this? Sure, the college careers of Graham Harrell and Michael Crabtree and some top-notch seniors ended after the 2008 season, but that was a small factor. Tech had already gotten the better of OSU for a decade before they arrived.

Here are the real answers in two-word snippets: Boone Pickens, awesome facilities, coaching continuity and recruiting Texas.

That�s a lot to overcome.

Consider that Tech recently trumpted the start of a $185 million athletics capital campaign, whereas Pickens nearly a decade ago showered OSU athletics with a $165 million donation by himself. College football�s most famous benefactor has given $500 million to his alma mater, half to the athletic department, so that the places the Cowboys eat, sleep, train and work out take a back seat to hardly any college football team.

Pickens dropped the $165 million in 2005, which coincided with alumnus Mike Gundy�s return as head coach. OSU stuck with Gundy when he lost 12 of his first 16 conference games. The patience has been rewarded the last six years with six seasons in a row of winning records in the Big 12, three 10-win campaigns, two nine-win seasons and a conference title.

That�s given Gundy cachet to cross the border and raid Texas in a manner that might meet even Barry Switzer�s approval. Oklahoma State has 66 Texans on its roster. Of the 55 players listed on the current depth chart � a two-deep and three at some positions � 18 of 29 on offense and 15 of 26 on defense went to Texas high schools.

Of course, not all those players are ones Texas Tech recruited, but a good many of them could make the Red Raiders better.

This illustates the point: The Cowboys are 22-3 against schools from Texas since 2009.

Throw in the coaching upheaval Tech�s experienced the last five years, and you have the goods on how this series took a 180-degree turn in a short time.

That�s more than the current Red Raiders have any business pondering Thursday night, but that�s the predicament in which the program finds itself.

The turnaround needs to start somewhere, and soon.



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That article is spot on = T Boone Pickens = $$$$.

Unless Tech gets an athletics sugar daddy, we'll never be able to compete with UT and A&M from within the state for recruiting, much less OU and OSU from outside the state. We'll always be a mediocre team that occasionally gets someone that was overlooked and proceeds to play beyond their potential.

Or, we'll get lucky from time to time and get that recruit that knows that, as good as he may be, he'll still be 2nd or 3rd string at a major school or he could start at Tech.

Tech was also excited about Kingsberry because, since he's obviously familiar with Tech, he's less likely to jump ship in a couple of years and will hopefully stick around long enough to a) became a good coach himself and b) MAYBE be able to build the program up.

We were good in 2008, in my opinion, because Leach was a coach that could get players to play beyond their potential. He was a master craftsman at that. Regardless of the jerk he may have been in person, he knew how to take coal and make it into a diamond. I know he didn't do it right off of the bat, but with time he did it with no new $$ resources. If Kingsberry can't do that and doesn't get a sugar daddy, we'll continue with what we've always been - also rans.

Boy, when I read over that, it's hard to believe I'm actually a Tech fan, ha.

Call up Mike Slive and ask to join the SEC.

And therein lies one of the main things wrong with college football.