Thumbhole stocks are heavy, but they soakup the felt recoil on heavy kickers. On rifles that are not going to be carried a lot like one that you plan to sit on a hill or ridge all day long waiting for a shot they work fine. As much as I like them I would not carry one as a mountian rifle lol. tom

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