Your comprehension skills are nonexistent. I simply stated why in my opinion most Kimber accuracy stories are probably due to idiot shooters, and shared my Kimber story Mathman and a few others likely confirmed my theory.
I never said to go out and buy 25x glass. But throwing a cheap 9X leupy in order to test the guns accuracy is just idiotic. Just for kicks, I threw on a vx3 10x scope one of my rifles today, and at 100 yards the crosshairs are bigger than the 1/4 inch bullseye. How in the fuuuck are you supposed to hit in the same spot multiple times, when you cannot even see the bullseye? The scope is fine for big game at short to medium distances, but that's about it. Apparently mathman is too facking cheap to buy a decent scope, so he has no idea what the difference really is.
Anyway, there is no point of arguing this further for me. If some of you would actually spend some time trying this [bleep], instead of typing tens of thousands of posts, you would actually know something....
That problem is easily avoided by choosing an appropriate target, which I do and was mentioned in an earlier post.
To demonstrate this point to a friend a while back I mounted a Leupold Mark AR Mod 1 1.5-4x20 (actual top magnification 3.9x) on a Remington 40X chambered in 308 Winchester. The aim point of the targets I used was a large + symbol with the line thicknesses scaled to match well with the reticle at 300 yards. Using a box of factory Hornady 168 grain match ammo I sat down and shot a set of groups averaging below half moa.
As to knowing the difference with using a "decent" higher magnification scope, I suppose I might have done a bit better with my Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40LR, my VX-III 6.5-20x40LR, my VX-3 6.5-20x40LR, my VX-6 3-18x44, my Swarovski 4-16x50 PV, my Swarovski Z5 3.5-18x44, or another I'm forgetting. However that wasn't the point of the exercise at the time.
Last edited by mathman; 02/05/17. Reason: corrected a statement
