No one is disputing the Mini14 as a get into action fast rifle, the argument was based on the claim that a mini is capable of 1.5 MOA groups, with iron sights and WW powerpoints. Lets do this. Shoot 5 3 shot groups at the same target with your best ammunition (at 100 meters), wait 10 minutes between groups so the barrel is cool,. and post it up. All "flyers" must be counted.