Not to veer you off, I was shooting those out of my custom 25.06, then went to 115 Grain Berger VLD in HSM, 1/2" at 100yds, and they have performed well on any deer I have shot . Might be worth a try. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...ing-vld-hollow-point-boat-tail-box-of-20