anyone else notice that a Glock shot off the bench at 25 yards is as accurate as a stock 1911 shot off the same bench, I get 3-4 inches about the best I can do. Or is it just my general crappy shooting? Kimber vs G17 seems pretty close to me. I am sure the built guns are better, but thinking "out of the box" Ruger, Colt's, springfields, kimbers are just not going to be that much better. So if you can master the crappy trigger why not.