... "I'll play along. How did you come by this knowledge?"
AS I KNOW, it is 300 m, but I shorten it to 250 m, no animal will run away if a man is at even much shorter distance than 250 m. Each Hunter should make any afford to not wound an Animal but to make quick kill.
At 250 m bullet drop is enough (just below 0.7 m) to miss and Moose, all of other being perfect. But add many other problem, like wind, bullet energy is around half of muzzle energy,... there are great chance to wound an Animal and never recover it, especially Elk.
But this is the whole another story, and if you guys do knows it, and keep wounding Animals, well it is different problem.
"... And if you know this to be true, why are you asking if 250 m is "long range?"
I see many times wording as "Long-Range", but what it means is all I asked (is it 1000 m or 100 m, or ...). What is definition for Long-Range? and why Long and NO-Long range. Where is the threshold?
....................myYukon......You a Chevy Yukon fan or are you from the Yukon?..........Well this is interesting.
So you feel that in any given hunting situation, hunters who do not restrict themselves to 300 meters or less (except for coyotes) are idiots?
You would be right on the idiot portion but only in this respect. If a hunter failed to practice shooting at longer ranges, failed to properly sight in or zero his or her rifle beforehand, failed to make sure the rig is in good working order beforehand and failed in not knowing the bullet of choice trajectories and wind drifts etc beforehand. There are more categories of un-preparedness, but in general, not being properly prepared is idiocy. In that respect I would agree with you.
To put a range restriction on a well prepared in "all categories" hunter, using a proper long range cartridge, bullet and rifle to get the job done, which said hunter can properly handle, carry and can absorb recoil (if using a higher recoiling cartridge) is imo, a very ludicrous and idiotic observation on your part.
As an example!...... Lets assume a well prepared hunter who on the last day of his hunt spots a wonderful big bull elk at 400-500 yards. And because of the terrain cannot get closer and/or would risk detection by the bull if he tried to get closer. In your opinion he should not take the shot? I would agree with you in not taking the shot if the hunter were using a 30-30 or another inferior cartridge not designed for that purpose.
Lets see now.......Therefore in your opinion, any well prepared hunter using any one of the many excellent or outstanding long range cartridges, that regardless of long range capability to effectively kill elk or other game well beyond 400, 500, 600 yards etc,,,,,should not take the shot beyond 250-300 meters?
Well speaking for me, I think my 28 Nosler, 300 WSM, 338-378 Wby and maybe a soon to acquire 6.5/284 might disagree with you. And I have a feeling that all the well prepared boys who hunt longer ranges with their 25-06s, 257 Wbys, 260 Rems, 264 Win Mags, 6.5 Creeds, 6.5/284s, 26 Noslers, 6.5/300 Wbys, 270 Wins, 270 Wby Mags, 7mm Rem Mags, 7mm Wby Mags, 28 Noslers, 7 RUMs and STWs, 308s, 30-06s, 300 WSMs, 300 Win/Wby Mags, 300 RUMs, and even the powerful 338s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,just may disagree with you as well........Sorry if I left out a favorite round!!! LOL
Sure! We all want to get as close as we can to any game. But to state that all who take a shot beyond 250-300 meters are idiots?
Next time you are standing in front of a mirror, what do you see? My guess is an idiot.
