We just finished our three day goose hunt in Kansas. The new and improved Blackclouds shot and performed just like the old shells. Same dense pattern, same hard hitting killers. If you haven't used them you need to try them. We convinced a new member of our group of 4 to try them and now he's a believer. He had a cripple swimming a way at about 70 yards. He shot it with his loads of BB and it kept swimming. I shot it with the Blackclouds and it died! I gave him a half a box and noticed the difference.