kingstrider gives good advice. The other loads will kick you cross eyed. I shoot a Marlin 45-70 Cowboy with a cast Gould 340 grain hollow point or a 420 grain Lyman 457193 over 38.5 grains of 3031 for about 1300 fps. Both bullets are accurate and are very good killers of game. I haven't enjoyed recoil or a recoil headache for a number of years now.
