In 2001 I watched my uncle smoke a turkey at 60 yards with a Remington 870 2 3/4" with regular 'ol #4 high brass loads. After that I've never needed anything more than a 12. I've shot so many now with a 20ga and #5's that I don't have a big reason to carry my 12 anymore. I do if it's rainy though because it's a Benelli M2 with a synthetic stock. My 870 20ga is wood.
