The spitzer/rotary mag thing seems to be the issue. Apparently the use of spitzer rounds creates an OAL that is just a tad too long for the rotary mag, the rounds get all hung up, the spindle cant rotate and it creates a mess. This is why im wondering if a simple solution to a headache i havent experienced yet is to seat the spitzer rounds a little deeper, in an effort to keep the rotary mag happy.