After looking at both crossbows again I’m going with the Tenpoint Eclipse for myself and the Wicked Ridge for my 16 yr old son. I’m getting the acudraw (crank) on mine and the acudraw50 on his. The shoulder issue is the only reason I’m looking to buy one. I love my Mathews no cam bow and never imagined I’d be looking at crossbows. Funny how getting older (turned 53 last Saturday) can make you change plans.