LeupoldOptics, if you are going to chime in you better be ready to answer some questions. It's sometimes a tough crowd here, but most are honest and know what they are talking about from experience. Your not going to be able to BS these guys. If your not going to respond to questions you may as well not post anything. I think Leupold has lost most of its following here because of failed erector systems. Regardless of any features or how great of glass any manufacturers scopes are, if they won't hold zero or track as they should, they have failed at their primary function.