I use 80 gr 777 and the 250 gr REAL in my CVA Buckhorn. Because the 250 gr is a relatively light bullet and 80 gr 777 a moderate charge recoil ain't bad at all. I can get 2 inch or better groups at 100 yds. My Chrony showed about 1500 fps. Not too shabby. My side hammer CVA Hawken with the same load and open sights ( and 67 yearold eyes) about 2 inch at 50 yds. Recoil not bad in it either accept shooting off sandbags hunkered down it often boots me in the cheekbone hard enough to hurt. Gonna have to see what I can do to fix that.