[quote=Big Stick]223...by lightyears.

Hint.................[/quote)

Well, the reason I am looking at these is the poor performance I have observed from the .223. I did buy some TSX's to try in it, but haven't loaded any up yet. As I have mentioned on this forum before the 64g Winchester PP was bad. I hope it was due to low velocity but they just failed in everyway I can think of. They were factory loads so I didn't chrono them.