Originally Posted by boatanchor
Originally Posted by Swifty52
Damn I got 12 pounds of Vargay left and I still don’t know why I bought the 2nd 8 pounds other than it was there. It doesn’t excel or shine in anything. In the Swift it was a pooch. I can pop a 50-52 out of a 223 using 12 grains less powder and get damn near the same velocity as a Swift using a max charge of Vargay.


Never heard of Vargay grin ,When most put that in I thought it was 6,and 6.5 Gaymoor laugh

Varget never worked for me either in a swift.....but in a 223 with 65-70 grain bullets I have never found anything better

For a swift H414/W760 is the Chit




414/760 same powder, 2700 is pretty close some say one is faster, some say slower. 2700 was just there, plus it was recommended as not as hard on barrels. True so far. My 2nd barrel so far has bore that out. 😄
I still shoot a fair amount of 4895 and 380 but not like I used to in the Swift. H380 is kinda rough on bores.

Now for Vargay. It works for just about anything which makes it gay just like the 270. My experience says that while it does work it just doesn’t excel or shine brighter over other powders.
25.06 110-120 bullets it was a total pooch compared to 4831SC, MRP and RL22 by about 200 FPS. Not bad ES/SD but good lord 2750-2800? Damn that’s a dog, and confirmed out of 2 rifles.
243 70-105 again a pooch. Again low ES/SD but nothing that another powder couldn’t do and with more velocity.
220 Swift turns it into a mediocre 22.250.
22.250 is turned into a 223
223 it kinda works but so does H335, H380 and a few others but Benchmark sent those dogs to the bench too.



Swifty