I've been using Bismuth #2's for nigh onto 15 years here in Maryland. 1 1/8oz., 1200fps- knocks geese ass-over-tailfeathers. Main gun- LC Smith Longrange, 32" full and fuller. Over dekes or pass shooting, but I do have an advantage in that geese are so plentiful (up until now) that we can pick and choose our shots. Still, that little bitty 1 1/8oz. shot charge more than holds its own with the guys shooting their fancy 3" autoloaders and massive loads of steel. The secret is the dense patterns from those tightly choked barrels, and the ability to put the shot right where it needs to go. Heck we have two guys in our club on the Eastern Shore who use nothing but 20's and 28's + bismuth and they are a couple of killer dillers too.

Take some loads of that nature to NY for waterfowl, and some 7/8-1oz.loads of 7 1/2's for grouse and go with confidence.


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