Originally Posted by IndyCA35
In order to end a final order, the original petitioner or the person who had to surrender their firearms can submit a new form to terminate the order. A hearing is then scheduled to evaluate the request before a judge. If the person who surrendered their firearms is making the request without the support of the original petitioner for their removal, they bear the burden of proof to show they are no longer a risk to themselves or others."

In other words you are guilty until proven innocent!

Questions:

1. Does the gun owner get to try to counter the allegations BEFORE they confiscate the guns (or does the gun owner even know about the "due proess/"

2. Are the LEOs required to keep the guns in good condition, no throwing them in a pl=ile, letting them get rusty, etc.?

Anyone know?

1) No.
2) No. They will be piled on the ground, thrown into the back of a truck and tossed into an evidence locker. If you're lucky nobody will engrave an evidence number into each and every one. Oh, you'll be charged for storage.

The way RFL's work you're not even Guilty until proven Innocent. First, you're just Guilty, when they hold a "hearing" without you even knowing about it and the judge rubber stamps an order to suspend your Second Amendment rights. Better safe than sorry.

Since you've been judged a threat a SWAT team may knock down your door at 4AM, along with news coverage of the "arsenal" and the "thousands of rounds of ammunition" (four bricks of 22) they discovered.

Then you get to be Guilty until proven Innocent, at a hearing likely presided by a judge who has already declared you guilty once.

All this is not for a crime that has been committed, it's for a crime that someone thinks might be committed.

It's all part of the new bigotry. If you own a gun, you are a second class citizen. Due process doesn't apply to you. Presumption of innocence doesn't apply to you. Ex post facto doesn't apply to you. The Second Amendment doesn't apply to anybody.

Last edited by natman; 08/31/19.