Well, made some calls. Going to get the LEM Big Bite #12. Instead of Trying to baby this cow along until mid december waiting on the butcher. 5 year warranty and local pickup. 365.00 and I got somebody chipping in. Hard for me to justify for deer, but the cattle change things. Especially when I sold 2 Broken Mouth cows for .05 and .12 a pound the other day.